Topic: What does increasing need for magnesium mean??
Cass A
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Dear Friends,
I've noticed in the last couple of weeks that I need to take MORE magnesium to keep from getting leg and foot cramps at night.
These cramps feel like the tendons are going to be torn away from the bones!
Does this mean that Lyme is more active? That I have Babesia to contend with? Or WHAT??
Best,
Cass A
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losferwrds
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What ABX are you on? Levaquin can cause tendonitis and tendon ruptures
There are 2 schools of thought on magnesium, some say your feeding the Bb, some say the deficiency causes the symptoms, ie cramping, twitches. The suppliment form is important too, the one that absorbs well is listed in the Burrascanno Protocol thats on the ilads site.
MAGNESIUM (required)
Magnesium supplementation is very helpful for the tremors, twitches, cramps, muscle soreness, heart skips and weakness. It may also help in energy level and cognition. The best source is magnesium L-lactate dehydrate (``Mag-tab SR,'' sold by Niche Pharmaceuticals [1-800-677-0355], and available at Wal-Mart). DO NOT rely on ``cal-mag,'' calcium plus magnesium combination tablets, as they are not well absorbed. Take at least one to two tablet twice daily. Higher doses may cause diarrhea, and you should check with your physician before using more than this. In some cases, injections or intravenous doses may be necessary. Continue long term.
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Also, I checked 3 Walmarts and none carry it near me.
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luvs2ride
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My doctor says to take lots of magnesium. I take 2000mg daily.
I have read you can keep increasing until bowel tolerance (diarrhea) then back up one dose, just like Vit C.
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Geneal
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I had to double my magnesium intake while on rifampin
Due to leg cramps, bladder cramps, etc.
Low potassium can also cause issues.
Hugs,
Geneal
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Cass A
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Dear Friends,
Thanks for the answers!
I'm currently taking Alinia. I noticed that, suddenly, the level of magnesium needed was higher!
I take Natural CALM magnesium supplement, plus A to B Calm, as well as Taurine.
I was noticing that my body's need for magnesium (as shown by the presence or absence of leg and foot cramps) changes.
A year ago, I didn't need so much as I do now.
So, my question is WHAT drives the need for more magnesium??
Is it Lyme? Babesia? Something else??
Best,
Cass A
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Keebler
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Lyme can drive the need for magnesium. But so can any infection or irritation to nerves.
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That pain that you describe is mentioned in this article. I was amazed that he could describe exactly how my shins have felt for years:
GiGi
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My experience with Dr. K. taught me that
Metals attach themselves only in places that are programmed for attachment of metal ions. Mineral deficiency provides the opportunity for toxic metals to attach themselves to vacant binding sites. A healthy mineral base is a prerequisite for all metal detox attempts (selenium, zinc, manganese, germanium, molybdenum etc.). Substituting minerals can detoxify the body by itself. Just as important are electrolytes (sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium), which help to transport toxic waste across the extracellular space towards the lymphatic and venous vessels.
Add to this malabsorption because of certain food allergies, lacking enzyme production, and the fact that literally every chronic disease also hinges on metal toxicity. If you are lucky enough to dispose of toxic waste and heavy metals, supplementing minerals and elextrolytes becomes really important. I don't have Lyme any more, but I am still detoxing heavy metals with and chemicals with the Allergie Immun drops and I often have to run and up my intake in order to successfully get it out of the body.
I am not looking at it as Lyme or some other depressing thing, but at the fact that we are finally removing some of the remaining bad stuff.
Hope that's what is happening for you too.
Take care.
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Marnie
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The neurological effects of Mg are:
reducing electrical excitation
blocking release of acetylcholine
blocking N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) glutamate receptors, an excitatory neurotransmitter of the central nervous system.
Almost from the outset...Mg levels(intracellular) dive. Na and Ca go IN the cell.
K is kicked out...too bad 'cause Bb "moves away from KCL".
Mg and ONLY Mg is attached to our ATP as Mg-ATP to help transfer phosphates. We need Mg to do this (greatly simplified): ATP-> ADP -> ATP -> ADP
Not much of that is happening in the infected cells...way too little ATP is being made in them.
There are a LOT of nutritional deficiencies that go along with lyme.
Mg is a biggie though because Mg (and Ca) are needed to make healthy antibodies (esp.to Bb's OspB). Mg is an *anti-inflammatory* and anti-histamine. It inactivates HMG CoA reductase and halts the cholesterol pathway (which IS one of many pathways Bb takes).
Together with IV Mg AND IV abx. Romanian doctors cured lyme. It took several days...subsequent, but it worked.
We need to tame down inflammation WHILE hitting Bb...SIMULTANEOUSLY. That is the key. There are several ways to do that.
Keep pumping in probiotics!
Prozac, in the highest doses allowed, I believe helped my sis avoid "neuro" lyme. It did not help prevent the damage to her body though.
OmegaBrite may help too...it is very very high EPA (an omega 3). It reduces inflammation...TNF alpha and IL1B.
Research the ways to reduce ammonia...it is very toxic.
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GiGi
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If you are taking Alinia - you probably have a parasite-worm, etc. die-off. These are able to hold large amounts of metals without being metabolically disturbed by it. They are "like nights in shining armor" per Dr. K. Metals are not "metabolizable" -- they cannot be transformed into something else that's not disturbing. Now, on AI, the body recognizes them and is trying to dispose of them -- see my post above -- body demands more minerals and electrolites.
Hope you take support products for precious organs.
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I saw someone post something about Natural Calm... ConsumerLab found 0.295mcg of lead per teaspoon. A nutritionist I saw gave me samples of it and my husband took them. I decided to look up all our supplements on ConsumerLab.
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Cass A
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Dear Friends,
Thanks for the replies!
Gigi--I appreciate your comments based on Dr. K's work. I, too, hope that I am having a parasite-worm die-off, and that the body is now seeking to get rid of the metals!
Hopefully, having been on Allergie-Immun for several rounds now, the body is getting rid of the toxic metals!!
This situation with the increased leg cramps seems to have subsided now. I'm still taking a bit more magnesium than I was before, but things are more quiet.
Marnie, thanks for the data on magnesium and what it does in the body!
Too bad your sis had to take Prozac--it can produce serious physical damage by itself.
Dr. K has been recommending lots of niacinamide for psychiatric symptoms (for those on KPU). Actually, I found the niacinamide routine before the KPU was promoted here. It has been an alternative treatment for psychiatric problems for many, many years (as has zinc). Have you looked at the Price-Pottinger Foundation research?
Unfortunately, Prozac is physiologically addicting, so anyone seeking to quit has to come off it very, very slowly, and under a knowledgeable doctor's supervision.
I am also taking the BEST electrolyte I've ever found--Trace Mineral's Electrolyte Stamina. It has the correct proportions of sodium to potassium, as well as all the trace minerals.
And, extra chlorella to help get the toxins out!
Best,
Cass A
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timaca
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I started taking 500 mg Magnesium due to foot/leg spasms and cramps. It seems to have relieved those nicely. It also seems to have helped with my sleeping.
It does have a calming effect too...almost ridiculously so. I feel a lot like a rag doll...not sure I like that effect.
Any input on that?
Best, Timaca
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