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springshowers
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If you an sift through the BIas and BS you may be able to get something out of it.
But in the full scope of things they do not present from pros and cons and just from what they believe! Period.

For me I can not learn much from that and am turned off by the attitude too..

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For those that are interested in the bionic, there is a yahoo group called bionic880 that is still very active. The discussion there consists of biophoton machines in addition to bionic, such as PE1 and lightworks. The "hoopla" has certainly not died down. in fact, 10 months after going to Germany I consider it the best investment I ever made. My hope is that the PE1 will have a protocol designed for it so that we can cross-compare the two machines (PE1 is about 1000 which would make treatment much less cost-prohibitive).

With the price of Envita, i could buy two bionic machines, 2 ozone generators + steam sauna. I'm sorry but that is preposterous. At least when you buy a machine, it's a fixed cost that pays dividends for the next 10 years.

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You are the one who appears biased here, with an attitude, and it would seem a personal agenda.

I am a new member and I am turned off by YOU.

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Yep You got a point MJ..
That is true and very valuable. What ozone generators are being used? I have looked into them before and Never really did more research or decided on one...

Glad you feel your investment was a great one!!!>.ALways good to hear..

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And Daisy.. Sorry you feel that way. Everyone has a different opinion and I shared mine. THere may be others who go there and have great experiences.
I find that though in order to have a great or good experience you have to agree with "them".

So for those who do.. it could be just the opposite of mine. And that is fine..

So we all are here sharing our experiences and some may help others and some may be things other just do not understand or have the same experience.

It happens all the time.

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LNE displays a transparent and universal disgust toward all alternative therapies. Of course they post endless scientific abstracts and clinical studies to defend their viewpoints.

I think the bias springshowers is referring to is more akin to the bias of a researcher doing a clinical study on a drug. The controls in place minimize the bias within the study, but there is probably bias toward pharmaceuticals preexisting outside of the study.

In this case, forums like LNE don a cloak of scientific legitimacy to appear unbiased, but they end up wielding the cloak as dogma to shut down any supporters of therapies that haven't undergone extensive clinical studies.

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Yes. That is what I wanted to say!> Thanks for that MJ.. That is very well described...
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Springshowers, your apology is accepted and no need to have worried about explaining yourself further, I really do understand where you are coming from.

I certainly would not have let your opinion about LymeNet Europe, or of any other sources that I would deem relevant to share concerning the topic at hand, discourage me from posting links in the future.

Exchanging and sharing information that may help others is why we are here, I agree.

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I appreciate the bit of freedom we have here to debate.

I have been part of some other forums when there was a slight notion of a breeze of disagreement the who thread was deleted.

Portions of what you said were edited all over the place.

I really am greatfull for this freedom.

There is nothing about this disease that coincides w staying in the lines.

Discussions would sure not be much less than a scribble .

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Let us fight with peace.

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a healthy debate can bring upon great learning.

I emphasize healthy...

At times it can get out of hand and people get way tooo personal.... and even lash out ruthlessly ...

So I agree too.... its liberating to be able to go back and forth and provoke thought and new ideas..

THanks all

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