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How big are they Carry?
Just put a bit on your hands and let them dissolve under your tongue.
the bigger they are, I use less. The smaller , I use more.
You can't overdose. What can happen is to take too little for your body to get the information (based on muscle tests).
Tracy doesn't agree with that though, she thinks even tiny amounts will do the effect.
I think at those high potencies, I wonder if one needs more than once in case you got the flu.
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Hi Selma, the bottle just says tablets 007g.
I keep reading conflicting ideas as to how many tabs equals one dose, so guidance would be very welcome,
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Hi, Carry -
DO NOT touch the pellets. Gently tap the desired number of pellets into the cap of the bottle, then toss them under your tongue (or put them in water if doing the `wet dose' method.)
Come to think of it, I think instructions are required on bottles of remedy in the USA but not in the UK. I just looked at one of my remedies from Ainsworths in London and there are no instructions. I never noticed that before.
As for treatment, I'll state what's on my Influenzinum bottle from NHS here in the USA:
``Take at onset of symptoms. Repeat every 2 hours or as needed until relieved. Dissolve pellets into 1 ounce of filtered water or take dry by mouth.''
As for the number of pellets for a dose, there are varying opinions about this. My homeopath told me that no matter what size the pellet, 2 are all you ever need. I've found this to be true for me.
However, I do think there are people who don't respond as well as I do, so for those who don't know yet what works for them, perhaps a larger number of pellets is in order. This may be particularly true if other orthodox medications are involved. It may take more remedy to get a reaction.
So, based on what I just said, here are some guidelines below. If you take the maximum number of pellets and find that your symptoms get better quickly - within an hour - but then your symptoms get worse again almost immediately, it probably means you took too many pellets (or made your `wet dose' too strong). Too much remedy or too many dry doses in a row can aggravate existing symptoms (temporarily). I just had this happen with a friend. Simply reduce the pellets for your next dose.
And remember that one of the tenants of homeopathy is `the minimal dose' - the least amount of remedy to effect a healing reaction.
#30 `BB-size' pellets: Adults - 3 to 5 pellets Children - 2 pellets
#20 size (about 1/2 the #30 size): Adults - 3 to 7 pellets Children - 2 to 3 pellets
#10 `poppy seed-size' pellets (sometimes called `course granules'): Adults - 5 to 10 pellets Children - 3 to 5 pellets
For infants, use the `wet dose' method as described earlier in this thread.
Hope that helps.
Well, two other people with problems rang me up, plus my back is trying to go haywire on me (grrrr ), so I'll get back here when I can. (The Castro book hasn't shown up yet.)
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I'm very grateful to you, Tracy; that helps a lot!
Thanks for finding the time to explain so clearly,
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No problem, Carry. Glad it was of help!
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okay, a few hours ago i suddenly came down with severe aches and low-grade fever, out of nowhere. it took me about three hours to realize i might have the flu/swine flu and it's likely not just lyme/babesia acting up. took an influenzinum dose - felt better, but my fever increased. just took my second dose twenty minutes ago. i really hope this helps - fingers crossed!
tracy, can i really keep taking it every two hours? or if my symptoms aren't totally gone after three doses should i switch to oscillo? what if they're improved but not completely eradicated?
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heiwalove, even if your symptoms are not completely gone, but you are improving generally, don't take another dose. If you relapse or `stall' in improvement, then take another dose.
It is common for symptoms to increase slightly after a dose of remedy is taken, especially the very first dose. That is actually a good sign that it is acting and will probably work great! The best thing to do is just wait for the worsening of symptoms to pass - usually only a couple of hours. So, at this point, I'd wait.
I don't think I'd switch to Oscillo unless I got GI symptoms or it was clear that the Influenzinum wasn't doing anything.
Good luck. I'm glad you caught it early - that's really to your advantage!
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P.S. heiwalove, if you need another dose of Influenzinum at some point, consider reducing the SIZE of the dose. If you took 5 pellets before, only take 3 next time. It should still work fine but you will be less likely to have an aggravation (worsening) of your symptoms.
Another option is to put the pellets in a few ounces of water, stir vigorously 40 times or so, then just take a sip of the water for a dose. You can continue using that water for dosing - just stir vigorously 10 times or so before you take a dose.
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I agree with Tracy regarding not taking any more until you can reevaluate symptoms. And, yes, it is common for some symptoms to increase slightly after a dose, so hang in there and watch how your body responds.
The only suggestion where I differ from Tracy is that I would have used the Oscillo immediately rather than even start the Influenza dose for treatment. I've been viewing using the Influenza as a preventative--almost vaccine like application--and the Oscillo as the treatment. But that is just the way I've done it, and it seems to have worked so far for me.
Tracy is much more knowledgeable about this than me, so you probably want to follow her advice. But I figured I put it out there how I went about it.
I'm currently fighting off a cold that I woke up with on Thursday morning. I've upped my daily doses of vitamin D and vitamin C and am also using zinc lozenges and ColdCalm homeopathic remedy, so we'll see how that goes.
Good luck. I strongly believe it should help you.
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Well, my experience differed from yours, AMom. I purposely waited for symtoms to start before taking the Influenzinum - just to see if it would work. And it did.
I think either the Oscillo or the Influ could work if taken early enough. And if either seems to fail or not act, there's a ready 'back-up' plan if you have both remedies handy.
Ugh. Sorry about your cold. Zinc and C can do wonders. If it heads for your lungs, try a dose of Influenzinum. The cough and lung issue was my clue to try Influ instead of searching for a 'cold remedy'. I really didn't expect anything to happen with the Influ, but it knocked it right out.
I'm knee-deep in Christmas card writing. I found that it doesn't do any good to just buy them - you have to SEND them, too.
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thanks guys. ended up taking the third dose. still achey and sick but do feel significantly better. feels like perhaps my fever has decreased too. so i should just wait it out now for awhile and see what happens, and if it doesn't improve or worsens again, take another influenzinum dose?
i'm admittedly scared, because i have a gut feeling this is h1n1. tempted to go to the doctor and beg for tamiflu. good idea? bad idea? i suppose since my fever isn't that high i should just wait and keep an eye on it.. ?
i've been catching infection after infection after infection recently (usually colds; this is the first flu i've had since i was a teenager). don't know what's up with my poor immune system. :/
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I wouldn't take both together because I would feel like I'm overdoing it, but again, see what Tracy advises and do what she says.
I'm purely in the want-to-learn-everything-I-can mode and feel like I have just a tad more than a basic starting knowledge of how to use homeopathy but only on myself and my family, and maybe close friends who are willing to trust me and give it a shot.
Tracy, good idea about trying the Influenza if it heads to my lungs--didn't even think of that, since I've been hyperfocusing on this as only being a cold--but yes, if it gets into the lungs, I will try that. Thank you.
I do already feel better, although it never really got that bad per se, just the typical running nose, lots of sneezing, slight scratchy throat, and just a hint of the beginnings of a headache. But I've been fine to go out and do my errands, etc., and really feel quite well other than having to blow my nose and sneeze a lot! Hopefully everything I did yesterday knocked it down enough. My main concern is I don't want to pass the germs on to my family, especially my Lyme girl.
I wish I lived closer to you. I feel like I would love to just talk all day with you about homeopathy! Thanks for always offering your knowledge free of charge. You and Brussels and a few others on this board have an amazing wealth of knowledge when it comes to this stuff and are always so willing to share--thank you so much for your generosity!
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okay, i still haven't been able to sleep. feel really really sick, dehydrated (am drinking tons of h20 w/ minerals), feverish, awful, in extreme pain, bad tachycardia. this sucks. i can't take any more doses of homeopathic because i caved and took oscillo a couple hours ago. need to wait 6 hours to take more. i really think this is h1n1. awful awful awful.
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I'm so sorry you are feeling so poorly. With the tachycardia, I wouldn't recommend you waiting to see someone. Can you get in to see your doctor?
I don't usually take over-the-counter meds such as Advil, so I'm not sure whether or not it has an effect on the homeopathic. I would think it is best not to take the OTC while on homeopathic remedies, but where you are feeling so awful, do take whatever will give you quick relief.
I hope it isn't the H1N1, but the good news I've heard is that it isn't as bad now as it was. The few friends I have around here who think they've had it really didn't feel any worse than with a regular flu. Their main complaints were the horrid painful coughing and throat pain that lingered--I think that is what they said.
I hope you feel better soon. If you do continue to feel awful though, I would get to a doctor, especially with your heart issues.
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well, i have tachy as a symptom of lyme & co. i'm on a beta blocker for MVP but at the moment it's not doing much, probably because of the fever; my heart always races when i'm overheated (after a hot shower, etc, etc).
i assume that advil doesn't interfere with homeopathics any more than prescription meds or herbs; they just need to be taken away from each other, i think. perhaps tracy can clarify this.
thank you for the hugs. i feel a tiny bit better, knock wood.
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also, can you have H1N1 without respiratory involvement, cough, or sore throat? (my throat feels a little hot and swollen but isn't exactly sore.) also no cough or sinus issues, at least not yet. mostly extreme body aches, fever, chills, sweats, shivering, malaise, feel like death warmed over, weakness, etc.
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Just got back to the house - so sorry you're still ill, heiwalove.
It sounds like you have the basic idea of it - take a dose when the forward progression of improvement ceases for the previous dose. As you improve more and more, you take fewer and fewer doses (farther apart).
No, I would not take both remedies. I'd choose one - either Oscillo or Influenzinum - and stick with it until you're sure if it's doing any good or not.
It sounded like you had improvement so not sure what happened......?
Regarding Oscillo, my Materia Medica says it may be necessary to use a dose of Oscillo every 2-3 hours, but repeat only if necessary (which is true of most remedies, generally). It appears the body pain is more prominent in Oscillo. `Anxiety' is part of this remedy picture so perhaps it can help you some with that, too.
I don't blame you for being concerned. Unless you think your heart rate is out of control, everything else you describe is certainly typical of some kind of flu. You are smart to drink lots of fluids.
You've probably tried all the little tricks to get your heart rate back to normal: Drinking a full glass of really cold water; or thrusting both your hands into very cold water; hmmm, there's another one and I can't remember it at the moment.
About Advil: I thought I read that both aspirin and Advil are contraindicated with the flu, that if you have to take something, take Tylenol. I would do my best to avoid either, but as AMom pointed out, you do what you have to do.
As was pointed out in an article earlier in this thread (I think I posted that article), Oscillo has shown some protection against the cytokine storm problem so prevalent with flus. So, don't give up on the homeopathics, heiwalove! Even if you didn't prevent the flu, the medicines should still help shorten the duration and the severity of symptoms. Take care of yourself with warmth and fluids as you need them. Eat when you feel like it or have the strength. It can be rough - no doubt about it. I feel for ya.
As for Tamiflu, well, I've read enough to convince me that it's probably not effective nor necessarily safe. In fact, the FDA directed Roche - the manufacturer - to state on the drug's label the following caveat: ``Tamiflu has not been proven to have a positive impact on the potential consequences (such as hospitalizations, mortality, or economic impact) of seasonal, avian, or pandemic influenza.'' Because for some strange reason, the data that supposedly shows how effective and safe Tamiflu is has disappeared. I was going to make a post about it but haven't had time.
Heiwalove, keep us posted.
AMom, I so much appreciate your input! And Brussels, too! I'm no expert at this either - just someone who has found much relief and satisfaction in using these medicines. It can be a challenge, especially when you are sick!
Must run - I'll be checking back as I'm able.......
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oh, you asked about symptoms of H1N1 - good question. Some people have terrible sore throats, but not all do. Some have fever, but not everyone has fever. Same with coughs and body pains. It's crazy. It seems to act differently in different regions.
I just checked the CDC website - only 13.6% of all `influenza-like illnesses' (ILI) last week in your region were any kind of flu at all! Most documented illnesses are `unidentified'. It would be nice to know if some effort was being made to identify illnesses that are affecting 86% of the people going to their doctors with flu-like symptoms.
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hi tracy. thank you so much. the horrible aches are better - knock wood - pretty sure i still have a fever but haven't checked it in awhile (will do so shortly). i also have zero appetite & am slightly nauseous, so gotta try and figure out how to get some food in me.
i'm not sure why i got so much worse after the 3rd influenzinum dose - possibly because i walked to walgreens and back (1/2 mile each way, up and down hills) to buy oscillo and sambucol on very little sleep, possibly because the remedy aggravated things for some reason. maybe i took too much. anyway i took the oscillo once at around 11 am and again just now (7:30 pm). it says on the box to take a dose approx every six hours. if the oscillo stops working i will switch back to the influenzinum, but my aches are improved, as i said, so that seems a positive thing (they were TERRIBLE). can i continue taking oscillo (or influenzinum, depending) throughout the course of my illness, however long it might last? or should i not ingest flu homeopathics every day?
thank you again, tracy. i really appreciate your guidance and reassurance.
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You are welcome, heiwalove, and I'm so glad to hear that you felt some improvement last night.
As long as you still have flu-like symptoms, continue with doses of the Oscillo, gradually taking fewer doses as you improve (as discussed before). Don't let yourself relapse too far backward before taking another dose. Even if the box says every 6 hours, I would take it sooner if needed (as my book indicated).
When all your symptoms seem to be gone, I'd suggest taking one final dose. I've seen this recommended by several homeopaths to prevent a relapse.
Just FWIW, Sambucol will make me somewhat nauseous, and I get extremely nauseated taking zinc on an empty stomach! Both aspirin and Advil can cause nausea on an empty stomach, also. So, bear that in mind.
Go very cautiously with food. It wouldn't surprise me if food disagrees with you right now and you could end up vomiting. Stick with boring stuff like broth/boullion, light soups, crackers, toast.
If you do vomit, don't panic. You've taken a number of things that could be upsetting your system. Sometimes vomiting is the best thing the body can do to get that stuff out of your system quickly. Try to think of it as a helpful thing, as unpleasant as it may be.
I'm not sure why you got worse after the 3rd dose of Influenzinum either. Without knowing everything you did or took, I can't even make an intelligent guess. But you seem to be on a good path right now and that's the important thing. Stick with it.
Just out of curiosity, what brand of Influenzinum 200C did you use?
Another tip that I don't remember if I posted about...... once you are sure the Oscillo is working and you are improving steadily, you could take maybe 1/2 a vial of Oscillo for a dose instead of the whole vial.
I talked to one person who only takes a few granules of Oscillo for a dose. I'm not sure I would go that far, but I would certainly consider making 2 or 3 doses out of a vial of Oscillo pellets. (That stuff is expensive and the manufacturer must try to create a `dose size' that would work even for very large people. I suspect you weigh far less than 300 pounds. )
Hang in there. I suspect I had swine flu back in 1975 or 76, and I still remember the profound pain of those body aches. I still remember feeling so grateful when the pain would subside enough so that I could just sleep. And it was 2 solid weeks of feeling better, then feeling worse again with a terrible fatigue and weakness. I sure wish I'd known about homeopathy back then!
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In the `swine flu and homeopathy news' department, I ran across a VERY interesting comment by Dr. Isaac Golden made on November 19, 2009.
(Isaac Golden is an Australian homeopath who has been in practice since 1984. He is a world authority on homoeoprophylaxis - the use of homoeopathic medicines for specific infectious disease prevention, and has undertaken the world's largest long-term study of parents using such a program. In 2004 he completed a PhD research program at the GSIM, Swinburne University, Melbourne, studying homoeoprophylaxis. This is the first time a mainstream Australian University has accepted such a topic for orthodox research.)
Excerpt from comment by Dr Isaac Golden on November 19th, 2009:
quote:Right now they are immunising over 10,000,000 people against swine flu using homeoprophylaxis [in Cuba].
All true scientists will closely examine this evidence, and will accept that even though they cannot explain how homeopathy works in their terms, something real is happening and therefore their model is incomplete - what a truly wonderful opportunity for an open-minded scientist.
TEN MILLION people! This has to be the largest `test' of homeoprophylaxis ever attempted. I'm afraid I've not found any other information about this so I guess we have to wait. The `lamestream media' won't cover it, though, just like they didn't cover the amazingly successful homeoprophylaxis campaigns in Cuba against Leptospirosis in 2007 and 2008.
Here's another comment made by Dr. Golden earlier this year when the whole swine flu scare began and the race was on to develop a vaccine:
quote:COMMENT: I am often asked why Governments do not avail themselves of this option [referring to homeopathic immunization], especially when there is no proven highly effective vaccine available (some would say for any flu, but certainly for Swine Flu). The answer is simple, and based on economics.
In 2007 the Cuban Government homoeopathically immunized 2,400,000 people against the potentially fatal leptospirosis disease which is endemic in their country, and 2,200,000 people in 2008. Statistical analyses showed that both campaigns proved highly successful. The 2007 campaign cost around $400,000.
This means that the USA could be homoeopathically immunized against Swine Flu for less than $100,000,000. It could be completed within 3-4 weeks of making the executive decision, rather than waiting for months.
The USA Government is asking for $2,000,000,000 [2 BILLION dollars] just to develop a vaccine, and it will be charged a similar amount to deliver it. [That's 4 BILLION dollars, total.] So if homoeoprophylaxis was used the vaccine industry would loose $3,900,000,000 potential revenue.
On a smaller scale, the similar equation plays out in every developed country. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is basic economics. But do you know any politicians who will listen?
Just thought some of you might find this interesting.
You might also find it interesting that Dr. Golden has been using both Influenzinum and Oscillococcinum for prevention on HIMSELF this flu season. So, I think we are in pretty good company.
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heiwalove, are you okay?
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I tried taking the first 2 in DesBio's lyme series.
This is the only homeopathic i ever took.
I can't get past the alcohol. I decided not to take the 3d dose. I decided alcohol is too harmful and that homeopathic is not for me, if it has to have alcohol in it!!
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Pam, I don't understand. Dry (pellets) of homeopathic remedies have only small traces of grain alcohol in them, which is left over from the process of spraying the remedy onto the sucrose or lactose pellets. Most of that alcohol evaporates during the drying process.
Do the DesBio series remedies come in liquid form? From the pictures, I've always assumed the DesBio vials were full of dry pellets or granules.
I guess I'm confused.
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hi tracy, so sorry. yes, i'm okay. still sick, starting day four of this nasty bug, but significantly improved, knock wood. fever has broken for now and the pain is pretty much gone, save for a rather killer headache. i'm still really fatigued/weak/malaised but suspect that's par for the course. am continuing on the oscillo and herbal remedies.
thanks for your help, again. it will be interesting to see how long it takes me to recover with the help of the homeopathics. i'm also curious if H1N1 hits people with compromised immune systems/underlying chronic illnesses harder, or is more difficult for otherwise healthy folks with a heightened cytokine response. i've heard anecdotal evidence supporting both theories.
either way, the beginning of this bout (the first two-or-so days) was the nastiest flu i ever remember having. the pain was almost unbearable. significantly worse than the seasonal flu, in my experience.
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Oh, many thanks for checking in, heiwalove. And so glad to hear you have very significant improvement.
One thing everyone must remember here about Oscillo and Influenzinum is that they are both rather `generic' homeopathic remedies for flu-type illnesses.
In other words, if you were consulting with a homeopath, he/she might have recommended a very specific remedy based on YOUR specific symptoms. A more specific remedy is likely to act on the system much quicker and with more power.
Or perhaps a homeopath in your area might have recommended a more specific remedy be taken preventatively, based on the typical symptom picture in your region.
Hey, heiwalove, I thought you were in Brooklyn!? Seattle seems to be a different story when it comes to incidence of H1N1 - a much higher incidence, at least in certain regions of Washington state.
As for H1N1 and people with immune problems, I'm not sure what the answer is. Any time you have someone with a chronic condition or illness, you usually have someone who is on - or has been on - allopathic drugs of one kind or another.
In most homeopathic literature, it is stated frequently that allopathic medications by their very nature are `suppressive', not curative. So, in chronic conditions, is it the illness that weakens the patient the most, or is the drugs that the patient takes to try to get well?
Probably a little of both, I suspect.
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