quote: Exactly. The majority of vitamins being used are not derived from food. Mostly from cheap chemicals so BigPharma can count the money.
Uhh slow down there! Big Pharma has nothing to do with supplements industry . In fact they actively try to kill it. "Cheap chemicals" are cheap because they are not patented and there is free market competition between producers, not because they are low quality
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Tincup
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Randi boo boo bear..
One vitamin can cause problems if it is not agreeing with you. Some folks can't take even the simplest things like Vitamin C.
I'd suggest if you want to try vitamins... only do one at a time... and try it for a week. Then add another one.
And do note.. some supplements and vitamins are only made to be taken for a short time... and some you should stop after 6 weeks, for example.
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Most vitamins are water soluble and your kidneys will flush out the excess. Vitamin A is not and you can overdose on it. Minerals need to be somewhat in balance. Your calcium intake should be 1.2 to 1.5 part calcium to one part phosphorus. Magnesium should be about the same as phosphorus. Too much calcium with interfere with the absorption of magnesium. Selenium is very toxic in high doses but is a powerful antioxidant so you should be sure you are getting enough of it. Zinc and copper need to be in proper ratio to each other and are important in the conversion of your thyroid hormone T4 to the active form T3. D3, which comes from the sun, is often dificient in us in the winter especially if we live in the north. As it is linked to cancer prevention, it is good to supplement this vitamin as well. Vitamin C is often taken excessively to help with lyme but most of it is excreted. It causes loose stools when taken in large amounts. Magnesium should be supplemented because it is used up by the lyme bacteria. But is is best to use a chelated form such as magnesium citrate rather than the cheap magnesium oxide which can cause diarrhea. The B vitamins are critical to recovery and you really can't overdose on them. B12 deficiency has similar symptoms to lyme disease. There are also essential amino acids that help with recovery. Acetyl N Cysteine is thought to fight bio films. Acetyl L Carnitine helps with energy, converting fat to muscle. Alpha Lipoic acid is a powerful antioxidant that is very helpful for lyme patients.
It is really hard to get all of this down. You should take the natural kind and if you take them with food it is easier for you body to absorb it.
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Too much D3 made me very sick. My dr. wanted me on 10,000 IU per day. I was on 7,000 and could not walk straight. I am currently on 1,000 and doing ok with that.
You can search "D3 overdose" (for example) and see symptoms of too much of a vitamin.
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coltman - "The Real Truth About Vitamins and Antioxidants" by Judith DeCava, RN is a good place to start. Google it.
Then we can go to other sources. BigPharma does want control, either making cheap FRACTIONS on their own or controlling access through Codex.
I have been studying healthcare for 40 years and have been a health care professional for 25 years. Almost all of my required continuing education has been in nutrition. And lots of studying + reading on my own.
nefferdun - posts like yours above lead me to believe that you have studied extensively or work in the field. Where did you get your extensive knowledge ?
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If you have hidden food allergies, vitamins containing these substances can do more harm than good.
e.g. I found out through Allergie-Immun testing that I was allergic to wheat/gluten, corn and soy. I already knew I was gluten intolerant but not the others.
It makes sense now -I would always feel ill when I took a multi...
Many supps contain soy and/or corn. Many brands of vit C are derived from corn nowadays.
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- And most corn is loaded with toxic farm chemicals &/or it is GMO (genetically modified). None of that is something that is nourishing in a living being.
You really have to do a ton of homework to know you have the very best vitamins or supplements. -
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massman, I do study it trying to heal myself and my animals. Before I realized I had lyme my horses needed to have minerals balanced because of metabolic conditions like insulin resistance. Recently I purchased a very expensive vitamin/mineral "miracle cure" for all of us and I wanted to know why it worked, if it really does, so I began the research all over again. That is why it is fresh in my mind. The manufacturer reveals the ingredients of this "magic" but keeps the blend a secret. I am trying to figure it out because there are a lot of very cheap forms of minerals in it that cannot be properly absorbed. And the stuff is very expensive. Sometimes we just have to figure out what is effective so we are not throwing away money on magical cures.
Want to correct two things, it is selenium and zinc that affects the conversion of T4 to T3. I need to go back and read about D3 but I believe it causes dizziness and weakness in high doses. Given in an excessive amount, it killed ponies in just 4 months. And as you guys may remember a bunch of polo ponies died after being fed too much selenium. Yet too little causes a weak immune response, muscle cramping and nervousness.
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