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Marnie
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AMAZING abstract from Norway. Go to:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list _uids=12051564&dopt=Abstract

Print it out and carefully read the last 3 sentences beginning "Bismuth aggregrates were attached to the cysts and , in some, the pin-shaped aggregates penetrated the cyst wall..." Holy cow!

RBC = Ranitidine bismuth citrate. Pylorid with clarithromycin in Canada, Tritec with Biaxin here. Ulcer Rx. Clarythromycin given to treat asthma caused by mycoplasma pneumoniae or chlamydia pneumonia - Abbott lab study. Chest 2002.

If you have difficulty getting to the site, go to www.PubMed.com. Search "lyme". Go to #7 "Susceptibility of motile and cystic forms of Borrelia burgdorferi to ranitidine bismuth citrate."

I am on MedscapeWire email list. Just got info. linking H pylori to chronic glaucoma and worsening diabetes, cardiovascular probs. So...if you suspect you have H. pylori, is is important to get it cured. At the same time Rx may knock out Bb too.

Also, on AOL health news (more health news)May 27th article indicated Broccoli and broccoli sprouts kills H. Pylori. So...eat those greens!

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I've heard that bismuth is a kind of antibiotic? Is that true? When I had H.pylori, I took Biaxin/Amox/and Bismuth (Pepto Bismol) I wonder what it does for Lyme? H.Pylori was one of the most evil things I ever went through, the pain and cramping and nausea was wrenching. My stomach is still a mess, its always something.
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Marnie
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Bismuth itself - not RBC - is a mineral. It is rarely found in nature. It belongs to the group arsenic according to a search. Wow.
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Marnie, you are too cool. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. BTW, organic arsenic is a trace mineral and not toxic -- so maybe what you are looking at is describing organic arsenic.
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Marnie
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To the top. Edited with more info.
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I have used Pepto Bismol in the past for my colitis (wasn't diagnosed yet and didn't know it was from Lyme) and had temporary success on it. The active ingredient in the pink stuff is Bismuth.

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To the top for Cave!
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Great news! Is liquid Pepto better then the chewable tablets? Or does it even make a difference. What about Zantac. I read it's beneficial to supplement with the pink stuff.
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I could be wrong, but seems like someone mentioned in the past that the bismuth referred to in the article is a prescription type product, not the OTC product. I don't know what difference this makes or whether it means the OTC product will or won't help. Hopefully someone will happen along and shed some light on this.
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This is a very interesting article and I've wondered whether LLMDs have used the drug they mention to treat GI Lyme...

Ranitidine bismuth citrate...Tritec (brand name) - here's a link for the drug info. - says it's used to treat H. pylori -
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/ranitbc_ids.htm


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Interesting...

Results: Ranitidine Bismuth Citrate 400 mg BID plus clarithromycin 250 mg QDS achieved 86% Helicobacter pylori eradication with minimal adverse events. The eradication was proved by a 13C-urea breath test. Conclusions: CRB associated to clarithromycin is an efficacy and safety alternative to Helicobacter pylori eradication. Further studys are required to determine the safety and efficacy of clarithomycin 500 mg BID or two antibiotics together for seven days in our population.


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