Bugg
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Hi Everyone-
I've been reticent to post this as I've tried so many things through the years to help my muscle pain and all have helped but not substantially.
(so you know my status: I had a bulleye rash, positive tests, misdiagnosed for a year, treated for 3 years with oral and IV abx and HBOT....still left in tremendous muscle pain)...
Anyway, I have found that taking Whey Protein Powder has dramatically helped my muscle pain which was predominantly concentrated in my legs (lack of stamina; ached all-over; stiff; felt like they had run a marathon)...If any of these symptoms sound familiar, you may want to give this a shot.
Also, taking whey protein powder COMBINED WITH VITAMIN D (3,000-5,000 IUS) daily or every-other-day has helped even more...ESPECIALLY WITH STAMINA AND FATIGUE...Also, my tailbone which used to throb no longer hurts at all....my ankles don't feel like they will break anymore....my legs don't throb in the grocery store line....
The other day I even went bowling...something I would not have dreamed of doing over the past 6 years of my illness....
I don't want to give the misimpression that it's a MIRACLE COMBO. I still have stamina issues and some stiffness. However, the symptom RELIEF, especially in the pain area has really been substantial for me. I so hope it continues (that's why I was reticent to post).
Why do I think this is happening?
I've been reading alot of the medical journal articles about the immune system, glutathione, and vitamin D. I learned that if your immune system is dysregulated, your liver may not produce enough glutathione to keep up with your body's immune system demands. So, your body will pull glutathione from YOUR SKELETAL MUSCLE.
Additionally, I was reading about HIV patients and it said that their bodies will sometimes start catabolizing the muscle tissue to supply essential protein and/or amino acids which are lacking due to the disturbance with the immune system. Whey Protein has amino acids in it.
Vitamin D: I'm at the lower end of the normal range. Since we now know that Vitamin D impacts T cell function and NK cell activity, I figured that I might need more to MODULATE a dysregulated immune system.
In essence, if your immune system is working overtime, it may be catabolizing things from your body. This is a CONSTANT STATE of dysfunction. This is why I think someone might fair better if they took whey protein on a REGULAR basis rather than just getting intermittent glutathione ivs. In other words, you have to MAINTAIN THE LEVELS of glutathione or your immune system will dysregulate the levels again.
It's like people with Vitamin D deficiency: In many instances, they have to constantly work to maintain their levels or they drop down again....
Will this help if you're on abx? I don't know. Abx impact the immune system and, I imagine, impact glutathione as well.
A note before you try this: Remember, you should have your vitamin D levels checked and speak with a doctor before trying supplementation. Also, when you start taking whey protein, you may experience a DETOX effect in the beginning. This lasted two weeks for me where I felt a little flu-like, ached more, and battled bouts of depression. Once I got over that "hump" I just felt better and better. I really noticed a difference after one month (which is about how long I've been trying this.)
Also, when you start supplementing with vitamin D you may get some sharp pains, especially in your legs. This happens to even those without lyme. My whole family including my husband is now on D and they all experienced more aching/stabbing pain...this has now dissipated...(they all report feeling better, too)...
I have no idea if this will help someone else or how long the relief will continue....I thought it was at least worth posting....Maybe it will give someone who's struggling today a little hope....
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Hey Guys-
I thought I would add this to my previous post since this study was just released today. If you scroll down to the third section, it will discuss "What is Normal" in terms of vitamin D levels.
The researchers found that when heart disease patients got their D levels up to around 43 ng, they benefited. They did not see benefits for those around 30 ng.
Many labs have 30 as the normal range. In my humble opinion, I think 30 might be too low for lyme patients as well. We, like heart disease patients, are dealing with inflammation. Additionally, our immune systems may be utilizing more of the D.
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Can those with a milk allergy (dairy allergy) consume whey protein??
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Wow, that's great to hear.
More glutathione means the liver can detoxify the neurotoxins left by the dead Lyme bacteria.
Neuotoxins cause many of our symptoms. I didn't realize that they may cause aching legs...this was one of my initial symptoms.
Or are the aching legs caused by the catabolism (breaking down).
When I first found out about whey protein and began buying it, I was going through one or two cans of it a month. I seemed to crave it, I'd eat it by the spoonful. Apparently the uptake begins in the mouth.
However, I don't remember that I felt much better while on it. I think I'll make the effort to try this again, and see what happens.
Thanks for the great post! Carol
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A lifegaurd will have a bloodlevel of vitamin D of about 55 nanogram/ml. If you know your level you can raise it 10 nanogram/ml higher for each additional 1000 units of vitamin D-3 taken orally. Of course if you are lifegaurd you will not need any oral vit D in the summer:) Some Lymer's are concerned about the ratio or 1,25 vit D to 25 vit D. Can anyone explain why?
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Thejoje-I am lactose intolerant and do fine with whey protein...don't know if that's what you're referring to..
Carol--You might try it along with the Vitamin D.....Low D can increase muscle pain which the whey protein alone wouldn't rectify...
Beachinit--I've read where some lyme patients won't supplement with 25 OH D because their 1,25D is elevated. I never understood why they wouldn't supplement as medical texts say that an elevated 1,25 can actually be indicative of Vitamin D deficiency....I think I would only be concerned about taking it if I had sarcoidosis or high calcium....
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Bugg, Thank you for posting what's working.
I've been doing more intense workouts and not recovering fast. Was beginning to think I was relapsing but only after workouts.
This is a great reminder. I've been lacking on the whey protein. I had just replenished couple weeks ago but haven't opened it yet.
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Thanks Bugg, What brand do you use? And how much do you take?
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I take Biochem Whey Protein from Whole Foods....
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I have similar results using amino acids, B12 and D3 and magnesium. I take 500 mg L Lysine, 500 mg DL Methionine, 1200 mg Acetyl L Carnitine, 1000 mg magnesium and 600 mg Alpha Lipoic Acid. I had aching in my shoulder from tendonitis caused from Levaquin and this keeps it away. When I forget about taking it for a few days, the aching comes back.
So we are experiencing the same relief from basically the same thing. That means it is no coincidence.
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My LLMD has me on gluten & dairy-free diet. I sent a note asking if whey protein was an exception to the no dairy rule, but have not received a reply. Anybody have a clue? I found unflavored, unsweetened whey protein, and I really want to use it.
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THANK YOU BUGG! I just looked it up and there is no milk in this particular brand!
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Bugg,
That's awesome.
Ya amino acids play a great role in the body. Collagen, Adrenals, Muscles.
I've been using a protein/amino acid supplement for awhile now.
I use glutamine as well.
My Liver Defend supplement helps support the Liver into creating glutathione (as you stated)
ALA and NAC are important as well.
Cool thread
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Thejoje-As you're probably aware, they now make lactose free milk that is supplemented with calcium as well as Vitamin D. I mix the Biochem Whey in with the Lactaid Milk.
Also, for what it's worth, the Whey Protein I take has both essential and nonessential amino acids....
Vallapalla-I don't have an answer to your question; however, I seem to recall that there are certain why proteins designed for those with CFS and Fibromyalgia....I would think one of these might address your issue with gluten and dairy....Maybe you can find one on a CFS Board...
Finally, for what it's worth, I tried NAC alone and did not get the muscle relief that I received from the whey protein. This leads me to believe that perhaps the amino acids in the protein or the protein itself helped as well.
Please keep in mind that when using whey protein or vitamin D they can cause you to detoxify and increase depression in some....Go slowly if you need to....It was a rough first two weeks for me....I did see marked relief by the third week...
I tried the whey protein first, got relief, and then a few weeks later added the doses of vitamin D....
If others have good recommendations on amino acids or other protein supps, please chime in...I appreciate the input...
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I think Gary said they have Biochem on vitacost....(I think)..
Also, I think Biochem is still the brand Sixgoofykids uses ..hopefully she will chime in if she has any feedback about it....
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I posted this in another thread and have never used the product, but the properties seemed right to me to help with Lyme symptoms.
Now that glutathione has been brought up, it seems even more likely that it may help. I was hoping someone may have tried it and could give me a report. I like real life experiences.
Here is a U-tube video of Immunocal. Maybe it could help, maybe not. Just a possibility.
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Bugg,
Interesting what you say about increase depression with Vit D.
Since I've been in the sun more lately (to supplement my Vit D) I have noticed feeling a little down and out towards the end of the night.
I just assumed it was wearing me out (suppressing immune system)
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Canefan-Vitamin D is a hormone and, as such, may be causing some mood changes...usually, though, with levels raised, some see a lift in depression...just takes some time to get there...
D Bergy-Thanks for the post...I think I've read about some people with CFS taking Immunocal...Was that the type of whey recommended by Dr. Cheney, the CFS specialist?
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Speaking of whey protein powder, one of my old docs insisted that HYDROLISED whey protein was superior to non-hydrolised. Anybody know why?
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It may be because of blood sugar. If you have low
sugar whey can cause it to go even lower. So it may
be good to keep up with it while you are trying it.
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thejoe,
Hydrolyzed is already broken down. It just absorbs better and gets to the muscles quicker.
I used to put all my athletes on hydrolized whey.
ON Whey is probably the most bought protein on the market.
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Hey Guys-
For some of you that may have not seen this which I just posted on another thread, it's a new study that discusses immune system dysregulation in PLS or chronic lyme patients. (maybe this is why the Biochem and the higher doses of Vitamin D are helping---maybe it's helping modulate the immune system...that's been my theory anyway..who knows???)
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I am interested in anyone's recipes for palatable ways to eat/drink the whey protein using no processed sugar and no sugar substitutes.
I just tried rice milk, crushed ice, whey protein and 1/2 a banana in the blender and it is pretty good.
I avoid sugar, corn syrup, gluten, dairy, and soy.
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1 scoop whey protein 1/2 cup any kind juice 1 capful electrolytes from Biopure 5 frozen strawberries 1 handful frozen blueberries
This was my first drink ever with the whey protein powder. It was so freaking good that I SWEAR I thought I was eating pie!
I had to eat it with a spoon b/c it was so thick.
In the future, I will add another half cup water to make it drinkable.
Bon apetite!
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quote:Originally posted by Dekrator48: I am interested in anyone's recipes for palatable ways to eat/drink the whey protein using no processed sugar and no sugar substitutes.
I just tried rice milk, crushed ice, whey protein and 1/2 a banana in the blender and it is pretty good.
I avoid sugar, corn syrup, gluten, dairy, and soy.
Some whey protein are very nasty. I used Biochem vanilla (only good flavor, IMO). I just mixed it with water and frozen fruit (not need for ice with the frozen fruit), then blended.
I've also used it mixed with fresh, homemade kefir, Super Seed by Garden of Life, and a scoop of the vanilla whey.
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thejoje and sixgoofykids,
Thank you for your ideas/recipes for the whey protein.
I will try them for sure!
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This is very interesting. I researched the amino acids when I bought a very expensive supplement for one of my horses with severe arthritis. After a month of this the horse that was creeping and ready to be put down, is now bucking and cantering around. I compared it with another similar supplement and came up with my "recipe" which works for the animals as well a my shoulder. But maybe the whey would be cheaper and easier to take. Does it have any vitamins in it? The B vitamins and D seems to make a big difference. There also needs to be minerals. And hyaluronic acid makes a huge difference too.
My favorite smoothie is frozen fruit blended in fruit juice (or milk which is ok for me).
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I didn't read every post, maybe someone asked this already...what whey protein are you using?
I have been on whey protein for a long time and not noticed any benefits and your symptoms sound VERY much like mine.
Maybe the brand matters, I'd sure like to know which one you use. My LLMd said "denatured" whey is the best, although I haven't tried it.
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I have been using the Biochem vanilla protein for about three weeks now-its great!
I make my morning smoothie with this (for 2 people):
1/2 can organic coconut milk 3 scoops whey protien couple handfuls frozen blueberries about a cup of goat milk kefir unsweetened almond milk to thin it out
Yum!!
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I use Jarrow Formulas unsweetened/unflavored whey protein powder, because I didn't want any sugar or artificial sweeteners. I mix it with unsweetened almond milk & a packet of stevia. I wouldn't say it's 'to die for' delicious, but it's definitely acceptable. http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Whey-Protein-Unflavored-2-lbs-908-g/343?at=0Posts: 57 | From western Virginia | Registered: Apr 2009
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Bugg
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Hey Guys-
I've received a number of questions/comments through e-mail about this so let me see if I can clarify some things:
1) I take Biochem Whey Protein from Whole Foods (I can only tolerate one scoop a day so far)... 2) Yes, I saw relief ONLY FROM THE WHEY PROTEIN even before I added the Vitamin D. It took me 2-3 weeks before I felt the relief in my legs with the whey protein alone. Then, when I added the D, I started to feel even better. Keep in mind, however, that you may react to both initially: have flu-like symptoms from the whey or stabbing pains in legs when starting the D....
Also, when some people first start sitting out in the sun, they may feel achey at night and kind of hormonal as another poster above commented...this happens to me as well...
3) Neither taking NAC nor using transdermal glutathione cream gave me anywhere near the pain relief I got from taking the whey protein every day.....
4) Don't take whey if you have parathyroid issues or calcium issues...talk to your doc first
5) What were the symptoms of my muscle pain?: diffuse aching particularly in my legs. Sometimes it felt like a toothache pain and other times it felt like growing pains. Sometimes it felt like they were red/ragged nerves/had just run a marathon. I just wanted (in my mind) for them to be stretched and massaged all the time.
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Combine NAC with Whey for better results. I've been using 1200 mg NAC. Great for neuro/psych issues and heart rate as well.
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Are there any whey's that don't have huge amts of glutamic acid? I have severe heart palps and am afraid this would set it off. Thanks for any help.
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amino acids give a great relief to muscle pain!
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Bugg, the Whole Foods product you mentioned has dairy in it right? I avoid dairy, but i'm tempted to try this one. All 'whey' protein has dairy, right?
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Thanks. Just came across this. I've been considering a whey product, and this is very helpful.
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Hope it helps you, Greengirl
Please, please remember to keep your magnesium levels up throughout the day....The whey protein is not going to supply your body with the mag it needs....
Magnesium is so critical for healthy muscle function.....
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Whey is providing the liver with the amino acids it needs to make glutathione.
The liver uses glutathione to detoxify the poisons in the body. The Lyme bacteria leave byproducts that are poison to the nerves, called neurotoxins.
These neurotoxins cause many of the Lyme symptoms.
So this may be why whey is helping to reduce some of your symptoms.
Carol
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Still need help with my question above.
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Since posting above I started taking Optimum Nutrition whey protein isolate 1 scoop per day. I was already taking 4000 unit/day of Vit D. Also added DHEA 12.5 mg/day and am seeing bigger and faster gains with my workout- dumbbells and calisthenics. Getting psyched to get bigger dumbbells soon. I am amazed that I can add muscle while treating Bart,Babs and Lyme but that is whats happening. Thanks everyone for all the great ideas.
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Beachinit, that's so exciting!!!!
Carol, that's a fantastic reminder...thanks for posting that....
Seek-I don't know if all whey protein contains dairy...I believe that Biochem does contain dairy...However, I'm lactose intolerant and don't have any issues with it....some people take soy protein but many advise against this as it can upregulate estrogen....i know GNC has some whey proteins as well...you may look into some of those....Looks like Bechinit is doing well with Optimum Nutrition.....
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Hi All...Bugg, if you're around, can you please speak more to the DETOX effect you mentioned? Did it happen right away? I had my first whey this morning and then started to have painful lung aches. Could this be why, or just a coincidence (I started dox a week ago).
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Hi Bugg good for you wanna kick it up try B12 & B6 shot in the butt:)
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Hi Greengirl-I never had a reaction like you're describing from taking whey...Sorry...
Treepatrol-Every time I try to take B12 lately it causes my body to ache...I have no idea why??? I test in the normal range for it for what that's worth....
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Sorry didnt know that bugg try it with folic acid b6 b9 or it maybe that you are one that dosent need it yet?? I lost my intrisic factor to mny years abxs?? or something else. I have been thinking about the whey protien interesting properties I use to work out with wieghts before the lyme took me down that dark path.
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Did my first workout with the new 25# dumbbell today after mowing the lawn. Whey protein isolate, vitamin D 5000 u/day, DHEA 12.5/day. I actually feel more energy after my epsom salt drench and shower. Tomorrow will tell the tale. My muscles seem to be able to withstand formerly normal activities again. Enjoying all your posts. This is getting exciting.
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Beachinit-That's so amazing to read...very happy for you....
I've not been able to find a source of DHEA I feel comfortable taking. Can you recommend a good/pure form of DHEA?
Also, are you taking calcium? If so, do you take 1000 mg a day?
Bugg
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Bugg, I have been using Schiff 25 mg tabs and taking 1/2 tab daily. I get them at WMart. I have only noted good effects. When you say "pure" are you speaking of contaminants of some kind? Just wondering. Beachinit
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Good for you! I wish it worked for me. I tried lots of high quality whey (undenatured) protein and lots of D and no luck. I don't believe animal protein is good for the body anyway so I am taking a different approach now.
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up for the interest of whey!
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Hey Guys-
The study below supports what I was trying to articulate above about inflammation ravaging your muscles/bones.....The study below shows that chronic inflammatory diseases can cause bone resportion (loss of minerals from bone); perhaps whey protein/vitmain D help with this...
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I've cut and pasted an excerpt below from Dr. Gupta of CNN where he discusses non-meat sources of protein (including protein shakes):
April 22, 2010
As a feature of CNNhealth.com, our team of expert doctors will answer readers' questions. Here's a question for Dr. Gupta.
FROM CNN.COM BLOGGER, DAWN:
"What is the most effective way to get extra protein without meat, chicken or fish in my diet?''
Answer:
Dawn, I can tell you, it is a myth that you need to get all your protein from a meat source. And that rule of thought is something that a lot of people have, so I appreciate you reaching out to me to ask this question. There are many alternatives and ways you can incorporate extra protein in your diet.
First let me explain why it's so important for your health. A diet rich in lean protein is going help build muscle and bone mass that adults start to lose as we age.
It is going to help prevent arthritis, and overall it is going to help you maintain healthy skin and organs.
Some of my favorite foods that are high in protein are nuts, soy products and even tofu. Yes, I know many people like to scrunch up their nose when they hear tofu but give it a try! Add it to some stir-fry; add a little sesame oil for some good flavoring.
Also, check out the nutrition labels on some of your favorite low-fat dairy products. A cup of cottage cheese has 28 grams of protein; yogurt has 11 grams.
Another question that comes up quite a bit is whether protein shakes are also a good choice. I think they are potentially a good option when it comes to trying to improve your protein stores. However, you want to make sure to examine the ingredient label carefully. Let me give you a couple of quick tidbits when it comes to protein shakes.
Look first at the type of protein in the shake. If the source of protein is an animal source (egg whites, whey, milk protein) or a soy protein, it can be considered "high quality" protein. And make sure the type of protein is the first ingredient listed and that it doesn't contain a laundry list of ingredients. The more ingredients, the less real protein it contains.
A little rule of thumb to remember is that protein typically has about 4 calories per gram so if you're seeing a lot more than that in a particular shake, you're probably getting a lot of added stuff.
How much per day? Women over age 18 should consume about 46 grams of protein a day; 56 grams per day for men.
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robi
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Protein shake recipe:
Make in the large cup of the Magic Bullet Magic bullet makes a better shake than most blenders (yes, even the expensive ones). Of course a VitaMix is best but who can afford one of those?
8 oz. Pacific Almond Milk 1 scoop of Jarrow Unflavored Whey 1 tsp Now granular lecithin 2 to 4 Tbsp Now organic cocoa Fresh spinach leaves (about an once - not really sure) 6 Frozen teeccino ice cubes (see below) Stevia to taste (I use NuNaturals NoCarb Stevia from Iherb - little less than 1/4 tsp)
I mix everything together except the ice cubes. When the other stuff is mixed I put in the cubes and mix until it is smooth.
(Why spinach? 1. It's really good for you! 2.It makes the shake smoother and less icy and you can't taste it at all.)
How to make teeccino ice: Get Teeccino: http://www.teeccino.com/ ( you can alos get it at vitacost.com, vitaglo.com and iherb.com )
I brew mine double strength and them cool on the counter. Then freeze in ice cube tray. Important to let cool before freezing to avoid it becoming bitter.
VARIATIONS: Can be made with regular ice if you do not like Teeccino.
Can be made with Real Coffee Ice Cubes if you are bad and drink coffee
Can be made with Plain ice and berries instead of chocolate and teeccino
My favorite variation is Frozen strawberries and lemon juice.
Also you can replace some of the almond milk with tofu and/or yogurt for a creamier texture.
Actually variations are endless.
Basically, in every shake I use: 8 oz of some liquid or mixture of liquid/yogurt/tofu Spinach Scoop of protein Some for of Ice Some stevia Some lecithin
Flavors can be mixed up. Frontier sells a line of Alchol free flavorings that I have used from time to time. You can Google "Frontier alcohol free flavor" and find info.
Hope this helps somebody. Possibilities are endless. Don't be afraid of adding the spinach it really helps the texture of the shake.
robi
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richedie
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Jarrow's is good but I recently switched to Hemp protein and really like it. I use it after hard workouts too.
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Keebler
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- About UNDENATURED WHEY.
Why not to put undenatured whey in a blender - and also why to not combine it with certain foods, juice, coffee or tea: ---------------
ImmunePro RX� contains Lactoferrin, Immunoglobulins (IgGs), Bovine Serum Albumin, Active Peptides and Growth Factors to promote optimal immune function and detoxification. . . .
* What is the best way to store ImmunePro RX�?
60 degrees Fahrenheit (or cooler) in a dry location; refrigeration is acceptable.
* What is the best solution to mix it in?
Purified water is the best liquid to thoroughly mix ImmuneProRx�. Use a sealable container to shake it, or a MANUAL eggbeater.
* Do not use an electric blender. The whey proteins are easily denatured through heat and pH change.
Mixing the whey protein with any other types of food can induce a pH change and slow the transit time in the stomach through its digestive response to the solid food.
Liquids that are not neutral in their pH can also denature the proteins, for example: most fruit juices, coffee, and tea. By following the above guide, the uptake of the undenatured protein fractions in the upper small intestine is optimized.
A small amount of Stevia is an acceptable sweetener, if desired, for palatability.
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Dekrator48
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I drink one of these every afternoon and it's so delicious:
1 scoop Natural flavor (unflavored) Designer Whey 5-6 large strawberries 1/2 banana 1/4 cup water
Blend on high in blender. Pour in glass with several ice cubes.
No sweetener needed.
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sparkle7
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There's some controversy about soy as a "healthy" food. I stopped eating it & went back to chicken, fish, beef. I think there are nutrients we need in meat. I'm not saying go eat junk food. I just think small amounts of meat or fish are good. I was a vegetarian for many years - so, I can understand why people may want to avoid meat.
Everyone is different - so, this is just my opinion.
Keebler is correct about the whey. There are special brands of whey that you cannot mix into a blender drink.
Also- you may want to make sure that any spinach or soy is organic & not GMO (especially lecithin). Spinach is one of the most heavily sprayed (pesticides) vegetables - so, it best to get it organic & non-GMO for any soy products.
There are studies that GMOs can cause many diseases. They have not been carefully studied for any potential dangers to our health or the environment. The gov't is not looking out for us in this matter.
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