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erikjh1972
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totally agree with you beachinit.

i think as long as you have enough protein and eat well you should be fine.

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3 months Doxy
8 months of Tetra
7 months of Biaxin/Plaq.
4 months Doxy/Biaxin/Plaq.
5 months Biaxin/Plaq.
Back on Doxy/Biax/Plaq
On the road to recovery.
Trying to make people Lyme Aware.......

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richedie
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I might try to start lifting heavier and harder tomorrow. I am concerned i will tax my system too much! I also picked up some Whey Factors unsweetened whey protein.

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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richedie
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Well I worked out really hard yesterday, much heavier....we'll see if it knocks me out. So far I feel fine no increase in symptoms, but I am still afraid I could cut into recovery from these diseases. Dr. B suggests an easy workout with light to moderate weights.

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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There's also the fact that testosterone influences the immune system in a manner that makes it fight lyme more effectively. Although estrogen stimulates the release of both Th1 and Th2 cytokines, the ratio becomes Th2 dominant. This is thought to be the reason women are more prone to autoimmune disease.

Testosterone is generally immunosuppressive but it preferentially suppresses the Th2 cytokines, making the ratio favor Th1.

quote:
Consistent production of a higher TH1:TH2 cytokine ratio by stimulated T cells in men compared with women.

Gir�n-Gonz�lez JA, Moral FJ, Elvira J, Garc�a-Gil D, Guerrero F, Gavil�n I, Escobar L.

Servicio de Medicina Interna and Secci�n de Endocrinolog�a, Hospital Universitario Puerta del Mar, Facultad de Medicina, C�diz, Spain. [email protected]
Abstract

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the T helper 1 (T(H)1)/T helper 2 (T(H)2) lymphocyte cytokine profiles in women and men and to study the in vitro effects of sex hormones on lymphocyte secretion of cytokines. METHODS: Analysis of serum concentration and lymphocyte synthesis of T(H)1 (gamma interferon (INF-gamma) and interleukin 2 (IL-2)) and T(H)2 (interleukin 4 (IL-4) and interleukin 10 (IL-10)) cytokines was performed in 20 women and 15 men. Analysis of modifications in cytokine secretion induced by supplementation of lymphocyte culture with increasing concentrations of sex hormones was carried out. RESULTS: Higher levels of INF-gamma and IL-2 and lower levels of IL-4 and IL-10 were detected in the phytohemagglutinin-stimulated lymphocyte culture supernatants of men compared with women; the INF-gamma:IL-4 ratio was significantly higher in men. In women, similar concentrations of all the cytokines were detected in culture supernatants obtained during the follicular and the luteal phases. The addition of sex hormones did not modify the concentration of cytokines in supernatants of phytohemagglutinin-stimulated T-cell cultures. CONCLUSIONS: Women present a predominant T(H)2 cytokine profile, which could be involved in immune responses characterized principally by the secretion of antibodies. This could be a factor implicated in the higher concentration of immunoglobulins or the increased prevalence of autoimmune diseases detected in females.
PMID: 10870028

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Lyme borreliosis reinfection: might it be explained by a gender difference in immune response?

Jarefors S, Bennet L, You E, Forsberg P, Ekerfelt C, Berglund J, Ernerudh J.

Division of Clinical Immunology, University of Link�ping, Link�ping, Sweden. [email protected]
Abstract

Lyme borreliosis is a tick-borne disease often manifesting as a circular skin lesion. This cutaneous form of the disease is known as erythema migrans. In a 5-year follow-up study in southern Sweden, 31 of 708 individuals initially diagnosed with erythema migrans and treated with antibiotics were found to be reinfected with Borrelia burgdorferi. Although men and women were tick-bitten to the same extent, 27 of the 31 reinfected individuals were women, all of whom were over 44 years of age. The aim of this study was to determine whether this discrepancy in gender distribution could be a result of differences in immunological response. Twenty single-infected and 21 reinfected women and 18 single-infected and three reinfected men were included in the study. None of the participants showed any sign of an ongoing B. burgdorferi infection, and thus the habitual response was captured. Lymphocytes were separated from blood and stimulated with antigens. The secretion of interleukin (IL)-4, IL-6, IL-10, interferon (IFN)-gamma and tumour necrosis factor (TNF)-alpha was measured by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA), enzyme-linked immunosorbent spot-forming cell assay (ELISPOT) or Immulite. No difference was detected in cytokine secretion between single-infected and reinfected individuals. We also compared the immunological response in men and women, regardless of the number of B. burgdorferi infections. Women displayed a significantly higher spontaneous secretion of all cytokines measured. The ratios of IL-4:IFN-gamma and IL-10:TNF-alpha were significantly higher in women. Gender differences in immune reactivity might in part explain the higher incidence of reinfection in women. The higher IL-4:IFN-gamma and IL-10:TNF-alpha ratios seen in women indicate that postmenopausal women have T helper type 2 (Th2)-directed reactivity with impaired inflammatory responses which might inhibit the elimination of spirochetes.

PMID: 16771857

Major players here:

IL-4: Th2 cytokine, which blocks the action of IFN-gamma which is necessary to eradicate Lyme infection. Testosterone inhibits IL-4 production.

IL-10: Th2 cytokine that inhibits the Th1 response needed to clear Lyme infection. Higher in women than men, again due to sex hormones.

IFN-gamma: major Th1 cytokine, probably the most important for fighting intracellular infections including Lyme and co-infections.

So, aside from building up your body's store of protein, heavy resistance exercise increases testosterone levels and may be the reason Dr. B saw such good results in bodybuilding patients.

A major source of estrogen in men is body fat, which produces the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone to estradiol. So men will further improve their testosterone/estradiol ratio through bodybuilding by reducing body fat.

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richedie
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I thought Dr. B only saw good results in one patient who happened to bodybuild? There were others?

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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I agree with what both of you are saying here....unless I am in the gym, weight lifting.

I do have a few suggestions for the pain, and recovery process.

I found something back in November.

I'll PM you two.... I believe you will find it helpful as I now have several nutritionists, fitness, bicycling and track and field trainers and coaches as well as the local University Fitness and Training College looking at or already using it.

I feel that a two days rest IS key for the first 2 months. Go for moderate weights on and off...go heavy once a week....I found it to push the abx and flush the boogers out.

I had it all.......Erhlichiosis, Babs, Lyme and then Bart.

Also, increase your BCAA's, take LARGE doses of vitamin's B and C -along with Magnesium Malate.

I once again will PM you...

http://wcfcourier.com/image_24ab2cca-166e-5d8e-acec-f2f4b325c1f4.html

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Let the claws be bared,
and Lyme BEWARE!!!
www.iowalymedisease.com
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richedie
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I might up my dose of C. I take 2 gms a day, 600 mg of Magnesium chelate and B Complex 50mgs.

I take extra whey protein using Whey Factors.

YOu say the first two months? For me the first two months was 22 years ago! LOL. I have been lifting since I was 17. I never stopped. I took little stretches off here and there though.

Right now I am lifting on a 1 day on, 1 day off split. But I help my father with his business on Saturday which breaks the cycle and adds an extra day.

I might change to Tuesday - weights, Thursday - weights and help father with business on Saturday. I also like to do light walking on off days. I periodize...so I will do lighter for a while...then moderate and then heavy...then rotate. I do each body part once a week right now so I can't do the go heavy one day unless I break it up over two weeks. So, I would have a moderate week, then heavy week.

So trout scout you really got better while lifting and lifting heavy? Can you send me your lifting program as I'd be interested.
How long were you sick?

What was your diet at the time of treatment and lifting program? -Rich

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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I was very ill for 5 years...the lifting drove the abx DEEP and cleared me of a lot of infection...loved it.

I would herx while working out!

Man...I don't have a set workout schedule...never have.

Played/Coached Sports up until....I was debilitated by Lyme....

Currently rebuilding myself...started again 2 1/2 weeks ago already up 8 pounds in muscle mass.

I am slim and trim at 6 ft 1 in 153lbs

Two years ago....I went from 147 to 168 in 75 days, changing my Bench Press from 90lbs to 240lbs.

I morph quickly....

Later

Trout [Wink]

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troutscout...

how does your doctor feel about lifting? That is encouraging! I notice no difference whether I go heavy or light.

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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bump

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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Anytime I work out too hard, I crash.

I think this is because Epstein Barr is part of the picture for me. EBV is known to be exercise intolerant. Maybe some of the other underlying viruses are, too.

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For me exercise is the time when I'm my old self no any kind of symptoms at all and if I stay for thre hours in JIM it stays that way no any sign of sick filling just filling excellent.

I wish I have all that equipment at home and exercise whenever start to fill any symptom of desease.

When I feel bad at home I go and exercise and I'm OK after that for kouple hours.

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