There has been sharp disagreement on this point, due to the fact that medical literature includes a great deal of testimony that the placebo effect routinely works 30 percent of the time, with Dr. Herbert Benson of Harvard stating that it may work up to 90 percent of the time.
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I have no experience with the ASYRA but plenty now with the EDS 2000. Just returned tonight from a 3 hour appointment for my children.
These machines are for real. The most beneficial part is that they can see what bacteria, fungus and viruses are going on and what will work to get rid of them. They can also see mineral deficiencies and most anything going on in the body.
Just an example of what we saw tonight...I wanted to confirm the recent urine test my son had which showed elevated neurotransmitter levels for certain ones. The test results we got on the EDS machine matched the urine test pretty much precisely. We were even able to see that norepineprhine was the highest one consistent with the urine test. We then tested the supplements the other doctor had given him to see if it would help balance them and the machine showed they will work. It will take time, but I feel much better giving him these supplements if they are doing something for him.
We also saw the EMF levels in the brains of my children were MUCH better than 6 weeks ago. Since that time I have been turning their bedroom fuses off every night. In fact only one of my children showed any remaining EMF levels and I knew the body voltage in his room was higher than the other two rooms of my other children. (We had this tested by a professional.)
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Now I don't know what to think...
Last week, I took my daughter to a lady who did ASYRA testing on her. The lady is well respected in the lyme community, I guess, as I've seen her name here and there on reports and papers and such.
I wanted the test basically to find out if Babesia is in DD's picture (Igenex fish test was negative) and to find any viruses that might also be there.
This first appt w/ test cost me $150 and I came home with 2 pages of test results.
The first paper lists stressors out of range: 16 different strains of Bartonella and 5 different strains of Babesia.
And it lists stressors in range: 6 different strains of Bartonella, 1 strain of Babesia and 1 strain of Borrelia.
The urea cycle, neurotransmitter cycle, folate cycle, methionine cycle, transulfuration cycle are all on there.
It has arrows pointing all over and the lady chicken scratched words all over that I can barely read. I really can't make heads or tails of it.
I called the office the next day asking for more papers from the test results and they said this was it.
When I asked what viruses DD had, they said the test doesn't tell viruses, only what to treat viruses with. But of course I can't read her chicken scratch of that.
If I want the lady to see DD again, we must agree to Cowden protocol.
Does this seem right to you guys?
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up?
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I dont know hens, but this sounds totally stressful to me...coming home with all kinds of positive tests for all kinds of strains.....I would at least get her to tell you what her chicken scratch means. She owes you an explanation.
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17hens, that approach sounds nutty to me and a nice money maker. I wouldn't go for it. 16 strains of Bartonella seems absurd.
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It really is a tricky issue with these machines. In theory, it sounds good & some people here seem to get results but it's also subject to inaccuracies. Maybe due to the practitioner or other aspects...?
It is possible that a person could come in contact with a pathogen & it would show up. It may not mean that the pathogen is necessarily effecting a person. We also don't know that if you did the analysis an hour or a day later if it would be the same. I'm sure these "readings" can change by the day or even hour.
If these machines do work by some kind of biofeedback - it is possible to influence the results with the mind. There are alot of variables.
I do believe that the Asyra has be approved by the FDA. I'd have to check it again to confirm it. I'll look into it later.
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Thanks for replying, guys, and sending some compassion my way. I really have been out of sorts since seeing this woman.
I'm going to start a thread asking for input on my experience. I think not many are reading this post for some reason. Maybe they see it's an older one.
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I'm not one to take Quackwatch (who are mentioned in the article) seriously but this article presents a view of the Asrya useage...
It seems to me that the technology is sort of like taking a lie detector test. People do get errors from talking lie detector tests. From my understanding, they aren't 100% accurate. I don't even know if they are admissible in court these days...
I think the results can vary & you do have to take into account the placebo effect. I don't know if I would "bet the farm" on this sort of diagnosis.
I'm not against alternative approaches but it seems to depend on faith rather than any substantial evidence - which is not always bad but... there are limitations.
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PS - I did the Cowden protocol & it didn't cure me. It has it's good aspects but it wasn't a cure for me. It's on the expensive side.
I think there are herbs in the protocol that may be unnecessary. It's probably an individual thing... What helps one person may not help the next.
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sparkle, thanks SO much for your time and concern. I really, really appreciate it.
I've read over the links above. Thank you.
It's not that I think the Asyra is hokey, it's just that I never expected it to scare the pants off me the way it did.
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