Topic: Is this late stage lyme ? -
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Keebler
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- You ask if numbness could be a herx. Possibly.
Are you taking LIVER SUPPORT? Anything else to calm down the CYTOKINE REACTION?
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Lyme is caused by the gram-negative bacteria, BORRELIA b. - that is what is known as a SPIROCHETE, a cork-screw shaped bacteria that can sort of spring where ever it wants, not needed the blood stream for transport.
Spirochetes are particularly rough bacteria and they can take many forms to evade detection and resist treatment.
When spirochetes get irritated they emit toxins. To begin with, Borrelia b. is a very toxic infection. But irritate it and it spews forth even more toxic junk into our bodies.
So, our bodies are loaded with toxins and our liver and kidneys are overwhelmed. One reason why LIVER SUPPORT is vital to treatment.
To spirochetes, irritation to them can be nearly anything. It can be strong medicine, too much activity, too much heat, too much noise or light, etc.
That is why lyme patients feel so awful so much of the time. Even a little vibration will irritate spirochetes. Too much heat, too much movement.
Still the herxheimer reaction - from "chemical assault" (even if from a strong herb) - is very real.
The Herxheimer reaction (also known as Jarisch-Herxheimer or Herx) occurs when large quantities of toxins are released into the body as bacteria (typically Spirochetal bacteria) die, due to antibiotic treatment or rapid detoxification.
Typically the death of these bacteria and the associated release of endotoxins occurs faster than the body can remove the toxins via the natural detoxification process performed by the kidneys and liver.
It is manifested by fever, chills, headache, myalgia (muscle pain), and exacerbation of skin lesions.
Duration in syphilis is normally only a few hours but can be much longer, up to months or years, for other diseases, especially Lyme Disease. The intensity of the reaction reflects the intensity of inflammation present.
The Herxheimer reaction has shown an increase in inflammatory cytokines during the period of exacerbation, including tumor necrosis factor alpha, interleukin-6 and interleukin-8.[1][2]
The reaction is also seen in other diseases, such as borreliosis (Lyme disease[3][4] and tick-borne relapsing fever[5]), bartonellosis, brucellosis, typhoid fever, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, and trichinellosis, Q fever, and cat scratch disease.[6][7]
Especially note herxheimer abtracts with Leptospirosis, another spirochetal infection.
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A "herx" can also be connected to liver stress, in general. If the liver is overwhelmed, and then asked to outperform - handling too many chemicals or faced with too much aerobic exercise (only non-aerobic is okay with lyme) - it can't process out the toxins and there is a backwash, so to speak.
Technically, that may not be called a herx (or it may be) but it's a toxic reaction, all the same.
More specifically, a "herx" can also be connected to porphyria, just one kind of liver stress resulting in a toxic level of elevated porphyrins. There are at least eleven kinds. More about how at least one kind is seen frequently with lyme patients:
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LIVER SUPPORT LINKS are 3/4 of the way down page one: -----------
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thank you, trying to figure out he best way to use this website!! Appreciate the feedback.
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Keebler
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- First, do you have a LLMD? That's the first and most important step.
Otherwise, just clink onto links that seem to be what you are looking for regarding education or self-care support.
This can be overwhelming, so take one step at a time: LLMD, good nutrition, balanced self-care, support supplements.
Good luck. -
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yes,and am following his protocol but am confused about all that i read, try marshall protocol, try holistic approach, don't take ceftin take doxy etc etc ..very overwhelming!!
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Cass A
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Yes, figuring out what protocol to do is really tough. There's no magic bullet for this disease (or complex of diseases, as it usually is).
I opted for doing Allergie-Immun after about a year or two of other treatments.
I should be done with that one soon.
Then what? Don't know yet.
Best,
Cass A
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