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Got my heavy metal (urine) test results back from my LLMD the other day. Says my lead levels "exceed three times the upper expected limit per the reference population."
All other metals were fine, though were doing blood to check mercury. I'm doing two follow-up test to double check the lead results, but we were both pretty surprised.
No idea where I picked it up from. Had a single cavity (my only one!) with an amalgam filling, but that was in a baby tooth. Didn't have it for very long and I lost it long ago.
The whole metals thing is an area that I've not really looked into. I get the gist of chelation, but what's really involved with getting rid of it and how long does it take?
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Please Read some of the Allergy Immun Germany thread which is moving along here to rule out allergies toward the metals. It is not possible to get rid of them if the body can no longer regulate them, i.e. has become "allergic" to them and the immune system does not recognize them as neurotoxins. Lead settles in the bones and usually if there is lead, there are other toxic metals.
Usually the toxic metals are everywhere else, often the central nervous system, and do not live in the blood waiting to be tested. So a blood test is not conclusive. Your doctor must be aware of that. Toxic metals only show in the blood during an acute/just happened condition.
Most Lyme afflicted who have taken the Allergie Immun test have found that they are allergic to major foods, mucor, and major toxic metals (lead, mercury, nickel, etc.
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Hey Chronic - I've had high lead levels for the past two years, as well, while my mercury level has decreased, according to urine tests.
It's interesting - the lead didn't show on my test as high until I started taking LipoPhos EDTA (Allergy Research Group) on the nights before I took my DMSA. I've since found a research article that says there's a additive effect on lead with DMSA and EDTA: http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/25/2/233.abstract Now the lead seems to be pouring out!
Good luck with chelating; I believe it has really helped my recovery.
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Drinking from old water pipes anywhere?
My sisters kids were high for lead from old house pipes...
Many older work places have them.
As well as paints older than 1978.
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That's how high my lead was. My LLMD used 6 months of Detoxamin along with NAC and ALA. I used the Detoxamin several evenings per week and always felt better the day after the Detoxamin than I did the days off.
Eventually, I felt the same all the time, and that is when we stopped.
I still take ALA and occasionally cilantro.
KPU was definitely a factor for me as well.
I have no idea where the lead came from .... pollution in the air?
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CT, I am very interested in your post as I recently received the same information about high lead levels from my doctor. Mercury is elevated as well. High levels were not present in my blood. I have been taking the supplement, PECTASOL for 2 weeks and feel like crap...lots of neuro stuff going on. I hope I am getting rid of something and not just stirring it up. I'm supposed to check in with my doctor today. I'll post again if I learn anything pertinent to this thread.
Landerss, How long have you been chelating? Did you have herx type reactions? I, too, hope this will be key in my recovery.
BTW, I have NO idea where the high lead level came from. I have never lived in an older home. I am an artist, and although some colors contain toxic materials, none that I use contain lead.
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Thanks. All things too look into. The symptoms listed on the Mayo Clinic's site for lead poisoning point mainly to neuro symptoms which are my main issue.
Couple questions:
1: The MC site says that an unsafe level is "10 mcg/dL or higher." My tests says I have 24. How does that compare to others?
2: Has anyone seen a direct improvement with removing heavy metals? I read that the results are less often clinical and simply seen in testing levels going down.
3: The KPU PDF document seems a bit over the top. Is there a resource that's written for the non-scientist? I didn't understand any of it and stopped reading at page 16; the page with the crazy diagram. I have very few of the listed symptoms anyway... except for "crime and delinquency."
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Most important is elimination of any allergies to correct malabsorption and mineral deficiencies. Leaky Gut caused by allergies takes many month/years to heal.
There is none better than Allergie Immun to correct the DNA. Mobilizing metals without the body's ability to regulate due to errors in the DNA does nothing but shift the toxins from body compartment to often worse compartments.
Metals attach themselves only in places that are programmed for attachment of metal ions. Mineral deficiency provides the opportunity for toxic metals to attach themselves to vacant binding sites. A healthy mineral base is a prerequisite for all metal detox attempts (selenium, zinc, manganese, germanium, molybdenum etc.). Substituting minerals can detoxify the body by itself. Just as important are electrolytes (sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium), which help to transport toxic waste across the extracellular space towards the lymphatic and venous vessels.
Take care.
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Chronic, my last test indicated that my lead level was 27, down from 49 a year ago. ps - 'crime and delinquency', hopefully have nipped that one in the bud with KPU treatment
garunner, I've been chelating with DMSA (and more recently added EDTA) for over a year and a half. One year ago I also started the Core, Biopure's all-in-one KPU supplement. All I know is, I feel a heck of a lot less toxic than I did before chelation! ps - I was a runner in Atlanta for years.
Like you guys, I'm not sure how I acquired such high lead levels, but I do live in an historical house in a very old part of Philadelphia.
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When I removed my amalgams back in 1991 I went into remission until a new tick bite about 7 years ago. So, yes, I saw great improvement in symptoms from chelation.
More recently, when I felt better when using Detoxamin as stated above.
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CT and landerss, those are some crazy high lead levels. Mine is a meager 12, just barely in the "very elevated" category. Nonetheless, the PECTASOL is giving me big herx-like reactions. My doctor told me to reduce the dose and work back up slowly.
Landerss, thanks for the info about the CORE. Sounds like an easy option for KPU.
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Yes, it's much easier to do KPU with a one-pill option!! I take Depyrrol from Europe, and I have to order it from overseas. I started it before Core came out and didn't switch over because Depyrrol is a little less expensive and I didn't want to mess with something that was working well.
You do need to add Oil of Evening Primrose to either though.
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If your test was a "provoked" heavy metal test, then the reference ranges used by the lab do not apply.
Doctor's Data uses reference ranges from unprovoked specimens. There is no way to compare provoked results to unprovoked ranges.
The provoked results will nearly always be high on the lab report! It is misleading.
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