I can't believe that Phillip Moore in this story is suing him over that!! Gee, how many doctors could I sue over my misdiagnosis and mistreatment before I found out I really had Lyme disease??!?!?! More than 15! Give me a break Phillip!
IMO Suing doctors is NOT the answer. Grrrrr.
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Sounds to me like Phillip was having a whale of a herx.
Here's what I wonder ...
Now that he has parted ways with Jemsek Clinic, and not getting treatment, how is he feeling? Does he have a different diagnosis? Is he getting any better? Is he getting any worse?
What a cocky SOB. Should have named a wing after him, huh? What a joke.
Sorry, I could not resist.
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Hmmm, he got sick a month after beginning his meds? Sure sounds like a herxheimer to me as well. That article is so full of bs, I wrote the editor and told her I thought it was full of bs.
Maybe she should write an article titled "the other side of the lyme war- the REAL victims"
I hate the controversy. Really.
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This guy suing has a lot of **** nerve. Didn't he know he could quit if he didn't like the treatment? Didn't he know that he was being treated for a serious and semi-understood infection? Didn't he know about the HERX! What an idiot.
I hate the controversy, too. So what's wrong with us, then, if not Lyme Disease? Who has a better explanation?
GRRR. None of us asked to get sick with something so freaking weird.
My doctor today again refused to prescribe anything for pain. In contrast, a friend of mine with shingles (which, granted, is really painful) walked out of her doctor's office with three different prescriptions, all to make her feel better.
Some day, this "controversy" will be forgotten. The years we've spent, wasting away in pain and frustration will also be forgotten.
It just ain't right.
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Read the article in the Charlotte Observer and it just ****ed me off. Sure seemed biased to me.
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Popped a little e-mail off to Ms. Garloch
Dear Ms. Garloch,
As a lifetime resident of Wisconsin I read with great interest your article regarding the hearing and investigation into Dr. Jemsek.
Wisconsin is one of the most endemic states in the nation for lyme disease and tick-borne co-infections. Long-term anti-biotic therapy for these various illness's in my particular section of this state has become almost routine.
Doctor's here waste little time in prescribing IV anti-biotic therapy if they feel that the bacteria has invaded the Central Nervous System. Treatments here can often run for several months, sometimes well over a year.
To think a doctor can be prosecuted in North Carolina for something that's done routinely in another state literally staggers the imagination.
I'm struck with incredulity that you quoted Dr. Steere from Yale. At one time Yale treated lyme patients with long-term anti-biotics successfully.
Dr. Steere see's no evidence of long-term anti-biotic therapy as feasible ? Perhaps, he'd like to interview the tens of thousands of lyme patients nationwide who've been treated successfully with long-term therapy.
As for Mr. Moore's lawsuit, what he experienced in the beginning months of treatment is called a "Herxheimer" reaction. The vast majority of lyme patients experience this phenomenon.
In simple terms a "Herxheimer" is caused when the anti-biotic hits the bacteria from lyme or co-infections, thereby resulting in a huge die-off of the bacteria releasing their toxins. Almost all lyme patients experience this, it's very common.
Unfortunately, the general ignorance of this disease in North Carolina may very well cause an excellent physician his license.
{If you so desire you have my permission to reprint this in your "Letter's to the Editor" section.}
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Hey there miss piggy....don't throw the baby out with the bathwater...
The patient stated there was no lyme disease????
I suspect there was indeed lyme disease...he may not have gotten a positive blood test...but then again I've gotten negative and positive tests done on the same days but sent to different labs....
His reaction to IV meds is typical....
Also the patient that died, died of a morphine overdose....
Or did you miss these things.........zman
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Miss Piggy,
I'm aware of several people who were treated for Lyme with antibiotics, despite having a negative initial test result. Their doctors based treatment on symptoms, not just tests.
In each case, the patients had follow-up tests that were positive.
With Lyme, timely and effacicious treatment is of the essence. Once this disease gets a foothold in the system, it can cause swift and sometimes permanent damage.
Even the CDC states that tests aren't the definitive diagnostic criteria.
Andie
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TheCrimeOfLyme
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I wrote to Karen Garboch, who wrote this article. We sent a few emails back and forth. In the end, she said she can't write a story from just the LLMD's side because there is no "reasearch to back it up".
Um... wheres the research for the stuff she DID print?
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quote:Originally posted by NP40: Popped a little e-mail off to Ms. Garloch
Dear Ms. Garloch,
As a lifetime resident of Wisconsin I read with great interest your article regarding the hearing and investigation into Dr. Jemsek.
Wisconsin is one of the most endemic states in the nation for lyme disease and tick-borne co-infections. Long-term anti-biotic therapy for these various illness's in my particular section of this state has become almost routine.
Doctor's here waste little time in prescribing IV anti-biotic therapy if they feel that the bacteria has invaded the Central Nervous System. Treatments here can often run for several months, sometimes well over a year.
To think a doctor can be prosecuted in North Carolina for something that's done routinely in another state literally staggers the imagination.
I'm struck with incredulity that you quoted Dr. Steere from Yale. At one time Yale treated lyme patients with long-term anti-biotics successfully.
Dr. Steere see's no evidence of long-term anti-biotic therapy as feasible ? Perhaps, he'd like to interview the tens of thousands of lyme patients nationwide who've been treated successfully with long-term therapy.
As for Mr. Moore's lawsuit, what he experienced in the beginning months of treatment is called a "Herxheimer" reaction. The vast majority of lyme patients experience this phenomenon.
In simple terms a "Herxheimer" is caused when the anti-biotic hits the bacteria from lyme or co-infections, thereby resulting in a huge die-off of the bacteria releasing their toxins. Almost all lyme patients experience this, it's very common.
Unfortunately, the general ignorance of this disease in North Carolina may very well cause an excellent physician his license.
{If you so desire you have my permission to reprint this in your "Letter's to the Editor" section.}
Great Letter, NP40!
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imanurse, that part of the article stood right out to me.
Although very sad, the death of Ms. Jabkiewicz was not a result of her Lyme treatment. The article clearly states that it was from morphine poisoing, due to Jabkiewicz taking more than the prescribe amount. In other words, the death is the direct result of the patient's actions, whether intentional or not.
I realize that Jemsek is going in front of the board because they feel he misdiagnosed her, but I certainly hope they're not going to try and pin her death on him.
I'm curious what the medical examiner did to conclude that Jabkiewicz did not have active Lyme? Did he biopsy all of her tissue? Did he just do a blood test?
I really really really hope Jemsek has a good team working for him and a doctor or two to speak on his behalf. I'm not sure what goes on in these proceedings or what is allowed, but I am praying all turns out well for him.
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quote:Originally posted by Soleilpie: imanurse, that part of the article stood right out to me.
Although very sad, the death of Ms. Jabkiewicz was not a result of her Lyme treatment. The article clearly states that it was from morphine poisoing, due to Jabkiewicz taking more than the prescribe amount. In other words, the death is the direct result of the patient's actions, whether intentional or not.
I realize that Jemsek is going in front of the board because they feel he misdiagnosed her, but I certainly hope they're not going to try and pin her death on him.
I'm curious what the medical examiner did to conclude that Jabkiewicz did not have active Lyme? Did he biopsy all of her tissue? Did he just do a blood test?
I really really really hope Jemsek has a good team working for him and a doctor or two to speak on his behalf. I'm not sure what goes on in these proceedings or what is allowed, but I am praying all turns out well for him.
Under the circumstances, I doubt they can pin the death on him in the medical board hearing, but there obviously is a malpractice case against him on this. Wondering if Dr. Jemsek is allowed to get tissue samples, etc to show if Lyme is there. Surely, part of the premise of the suite is to show she was getting lots of hard-core drugs for something the doctor never showed she had.
It is all very sad and I feel for the family.
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My family was down at Jemsek Clinic yesterday. 3 appts for 3 lymies. My wonderful husband accompanied as my cognitive symptoms are flaring and he thank goodness has excellant memory.
Our PA spent 3hrs with us as 1yr overview and planning apptment.
I will be at the hearing. Can we figure out a low-key way to spend some time together after the hearing? I am not staying in hotel. God bless you who are traveling to be there!
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