I hope this gets to you before you all make a decision.
First let me say that "Better Health Guy" has been a real benefit to me and the health of my daughter.
Scott's enormous amount of research and personal experience has helped us cull through all the volumes of information on the internet.
Scott has never, to my knowledge, asked for or advertised for a single dollar of contribution to keep his work alive.
His website chronicles his experience and what has worked for him. He makes suggestions as to which product he has found beneficial; however, at no time have I read any "for-profit" endorsements.
I truly believe that not providing him the opportunity to at least have his website as part of his signature block is defeating the whole purpose of what you, and the members of the board, are trying to accomplish here at LymeNet.
Secondly, I've followed several of the links that individuals have for their "My Space" websites.
Without exception there are advertisements for everything under the sun, except any real Lyme related product.
Absolutely no help to anyone looking for Lyme information, unless you want to buy Michael Moore's latest book.
I'll close by just saying I know the policy concerning advertisements on LymeNet and I appreciate the reason for having that type of policy; however, I don't believe that Scott Forsgen's website really fits the real meaning for this type of prohibition.
Scott is providing information, not a product.
Thanks for listening.
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quote:Originally posted by BJG: Hey All,
Clarification.
I did not state that Scott had been banned.
Peace, B
You're subject heading is misleading then.
Sensored/censored whatever- I think you got your question answer- Scott wasn't sensored or censored.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong. The key to the problem is the "self-promotion", which constitutes advertising.
Anyone who has benefitted from Scott's website can post whatever they found to be beneficial with a link to his site.
I think it's just a confusing situation because Scott is also "one of us".
I have visited his site and I had noticed that he was selling products. I believe that he was also quite open about the fact that he was benefitting from their sale. (If memory serves me correctly, it was quite some time ago.)
I never felt any sales pressure from Scott and never really felt as though he was doing anything other than sharing his own personal findings. (which I appreciated and hope that he will continue to do) I would certainly research any products thoroughly myself before thinking of purchasing anything from him or anyone else.
On the other hand, I certainly understand the need to control self-promotion on this site. We could end up with tons of people selling stuff on here, claiming to have Lyme, clogging up our boards with their contrived sales ploys and siting Scott as their reason to be allowed to do so.
From the posts that I have read from Scott, I do believe that he has just been trying to provide information that he feels the others could benefit from. I don't believe that he was motivated by personal gain and I do believe that he is a reasonable person. I have, on occasion, misjudged people's motives and I hope that's not the case with him.
I don't envision him as the type of person to be offended by a request to remove the link in his posts, nor take issue with a request to confine his link to his profile, if his motives are indeed pure as I perceive them.
I also don't need an advertising section. I prefer to ask for the opinions of others, when I am considering making a purchase. I find it helpful to post a request and get many opinions, based on personal experiences, when I need them. I believe the ability to do that is one of the great features of Lymenet.
If advertisers were allowed on the site, wouldn't we come to question whether they are influencing the tone of the board or worse yet, the moderators?
I haven't seen anyone able to point out where Scott may have made a fuss over this. Why has this become such a big thing?
The way I see it, he removes the link, continues to provide his input, we still see him as Lymenet family and life goes on. Anyone fascinated by him will check his profile or pm him for info. His site link probably just meant he'd have fewer pms to answer. Other than that, I don't think he'll suffer from removing the link in his posts.
Just my $1.50... Sorry to ramble.
Ali
PS - Can you imagine the moderators trying to keep track of all the garbage that would be posted in an advertising section? They'd never be able to control the rest of the board!
Nice to see you Lou! I've missed you! I hope all is well.
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quote:Originally posted by Cobweb: You're subject heading is misleading then.
Sensored/censored whatever- I think you got your question answer- Scott wasn't sensored or censored.
I absolutely agree with Carol. You may want to change your subject line, if it was not your intent to create a disturbance. IMO, that's definitely an inflamatory heading.
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I just wanted to say "Ditto" to AliG's post about Scott and his website. I'm in total agreement with her.
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Lou B, thanks for stopping by; reading everyone's comments, and then giving the official ADMINISTRATOR/BOARD OF DIRECTOR'S reply to all of us.
BJG, I agree; please edit your subject title by clicking on pencil icon opening up subject line & body text.
change last work to .... asked to remove his web link! click EDIT SEND when done.
now we know what this is all about. your title made me think he was BANNED! that's why i asked the question. peace to all. bg
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Yes lymedad I have a link to my myspace site. THat hurts my feelings you say there is no useful info. I have spent hours and hours adding on info to that site for my fellow sufferers. Inculding posting your letter which YOU gave me permission to do.
If you notice about half my friends on there hav e Lyme Disease. It is however MY page, and I do include pictures I WANT to put in there. Be it my daughter , son or dog. I am a person, lyme or not.
I have never tried to sell anything. And yes, I like Michael Moore. I think he's bringing our insurance crisis to the forefront. WHat is your problem with that? Why would you have to rip on me for trying to educate p[eople on Lyme? This is why people are leaving this site. You cant do anything, without being attacked by someone.
quote:Originally posted by AliG: You may want to change your subject line, if it was not your intent to create a disturbance. IMO, that's definitely an inflamatory heading.
BJG is NOT known for creating disturbances. Give her a break.
I understand her concern.
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo:
quote:Originally posted by AliG: You may want to change your subject line, if it was not your intent to create a disturbance. IMO, that's definitely an inflamatory heading.
BJG is NOT known for creating disturbances. Give her a break.
I understand her concern.
Lymetoo "I had no idea my statement would cause such a stir" from BJG
I don't think AliG was accusing BJG, I think she was just agreeing with me to help BJG understand why her thread did cause a stir. The title.
Now someone needs to educate BJG on how to change a subject heading so she doesn't have to start a new post.
BJG-see BettG's last post-click the pencil icon at the top of your original post to this thread-it will bring up a screen where you can change the title. Click on your original title and retype your real question about what's allowed and what's not. then click EDIT at the bottom.
I think Lou B has answered her question-but if you change the title it might keep this molehill from becoming more of a mountain.
Now everybody go listen to some harp music ,it's very healing.
You're being overly sensitive. I did not mention your "My Space" pages, nor have I ever visited your pages; however, if you look at the top of everyone's pages on "My Space", there are advertisements for everything from Michael Moore's books to Hair Replacement treatments.
I certainly did not attack you or anyone else. I simply stated the facts concerning all "My Space" blogs, etc. Please reread my post and inform me where you feel I was attacking you or anyone else.
What you put in the body of your "My Space" webpages are your business. I haven't read a single word of anyone's pages, frankly I don't care. I have one motivation here in the "Medical" forum and that is helping my daughter with her battle against Lyme.
Frankly I'm surprised that you gleaned any reference to yourself, your webpages, your friends or your family from my post concerning Scott Forsgen.
Scott's site: www.betterhealthguy.com is purely concentrated on the fight against Lyme Disease and other TBD.
With the decision to no longer allow him to post his website as part of his signature, many new Lyme patients are going to miss the opportunity to read his research and personal story.
As I said in my reply to your PM, I could care less what anyone's feelings are relative to Michael Moore or liberal politics or Managed Health Care here in the "Medical" forum.
I do care; however, that people will be denied the knowledge of clearly outstanding work toward the fight against Lyme.
If you'd like to see my opinions on Michael Moore, the war in Iraq, politics, etc., I put them where they belong; in "Off Topic".
I respect your privacy and your desire to get well. Just don't make assumptions where there is no evidence.
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...so THAT'S what the water table is....
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I found a better deal.
4 ft for $4.50 used for duck hunting so the guy says. See-he's pointing to one over his shoulder.
For an extra $19.99 he'll throw in an umbrella-which you can use for shade or throwing at the duck. Knocks them out long enough to toss them into the alligator pit.
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Thank you Lou!!!
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All truth goes through 3 stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. - Schopenhauer Posts: 5639 | From Aptos CA USA | Registered: Apr 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Tincup: For Sale:
14 foot jon boat with motor- $450.00
Call 555-525-5454 after 5 PM for information.
HEY, Tinny:
THere is something wrong with your number. They keep wanting to make a date with me.
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Cob, are you advertising the chair, the table, the duck-guy or the duck? Are online auctions allowed? Seems to me I remember we had a 00.00 bidding going for the ducks awhile back. We could advertise these items for 00.00 again and send all proceeds to the ducks. If we make no profit on our advertising, then hey, I bid 00.00 for the entire collection...If I win, I'll send them to Stow Lake in GG Park.
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the color of the chair raises the price a bit to 000.00
anyone weighing <100 lbs pays more because the boat will still float.
anyone >200lbs gets it for less for two reasons 1. the guy selling the boat's afraid you'll beat him up when it sinks
anyone >300lbs is advised to keep the boat on shore
He is willing to throw in a life preserver for an extra $100.00
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I'm not sure of your physical status, I assume you have some Lyme problems.
On the mental side, from reading several of your posts - I may be a little worried about you.
I certainly didn't help him build the thing, I just think we're related.
I think he may be one of the cousins on my dad's side who probably married one of my cousins on my mom's side. He may in fact be my uncle's only son's brother.
The whole family is screwed up. The problem is the stupid boat will probably sell like hot-cakes and I can't afford to get in on the deal.
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quote:Originally posted by lymedad: CW:
I'm not sure of your physical status, I assume you have some Lyme problems. Got that right! -------------------------------------------------
On the mental side, from reading several of your posts - I may be a little worried about you.
Don't Worry-Be Happy-quick- what movie is that from? BZZZZZT Time's up-The Lion King. Who sang it? BZZZZZT time's up-Pumbaa. What type of animal was Pumbaa? BZZZZZT time's up-warthog ------------------------------------------------
I certainly didn't help him build the thing, I just think we're related.
I think he may be one of the cousins on my dad's side who probably married one of my cousins on my mom's side. He may in fact be my uncle's only son's brother.
Now I'm going to be up all night trying to figure that one out. ------------------------------------------------
The whole family is screwed up.
I'm the sane one in my family. Life's too important to be taken seriously. ------------------------------------------------
The problem is the stupid boat will probably sell like hot-cakes and I can't afford to get in on the deal.
You're right-it's already been sold to the highest bidder for $00.00 to this guy-who promised to keep it on shore.
I have played the harp for about 12 years and had to stop because i became so ill from the lyme(before diagnosis).
I wish the harp was just as healing for those who listen as it is for those who play it! lol.
I actually use to do a healing harp program with my teacher. Every holiday we would go to the hospital and play for all those who were sick. It makes a very good christmas present.
It forked once back in the 30's, but bless her heart she just couldn't take the stress of having so many look alikes in the family, she moved back up north.
Seriously that guy in the picture with the boat does resemble a couple of my cousins, that's precisely why I escaped into the military during the mid-60s.
You've got to be really motivated to leave an area if you volunteered for the military in the mid-60s.
BTW: I noticed you live in FW near Carswell Airplane Patch. I used to go over to Carswell quite often. It used to be the home of the 7BMW and we would take our plane over there for alert duty.
It's been about a thousand years ago, but I really enjoyed the DFW area, especially FW - good food, good beer, good music.
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quote:You're right-it's already been sold to the highest bidder for $00.00 to this guy-who promised to keep it on shore.
See there you go, I was out-bid again. Every time I try to buy something at auction, I always get out-bid.
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quote:Originally posted by Cobweb:
I don't think AliG was accusing BJG, I think she was just agreeing with me to help BJG understand why her thread did cause a stir. The title.
Yeah, what she said.
Seriously, BJG, no offense intended. I was just trying to be helpful there.
TuTu, sorry if my meaning was misconstruable.
Thanks for changing the title, everything seems so much more peaceful now.
I think it must be the harp.
Or possibly all the water scenes?
Or maybe just the silliness.
Hugs all around
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