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WHOLE FOOD VITAMINS: Ascorbic Acid is Not Vitamin C
By Dr. Tim O'Shea
This will be a short chapter, but after you're finished with it, you will know more about vitamins than 95% of clinical nutritionists, doctors, supplement sales force, or bodybuilders. If that sounds arrogant or overstated, it really isn't my fault. I'm just a messenger; a purveyor of information. Either I'm right or the 95% are right; can't be both.
Without further ado, here's the kernel: ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. Alpha tocopherol is not vitamin E. Retinoic acid is not vitamin A. And so on through the other vitamins. Vast sums of money have been expended to make these myths part of Conventional Wisdom. If you have several college degrees and all this is news to you, don't feel bad. Unless you think your education ended at Commencement. Which is generally true.
WHEELS WITHIN WHEELS Vitamins are not individual molecular compounds. Vitamins are biological complexes. They are multi-step biochemical interactions whose action is dependent upon a number of variables within the biological terrain. Vitamin activity only takes place when all conditions are met within that environ-ment, and when all co-factors and components of the entire vitamin complex are present and working together. Vitamin activity is even more than the sum of all those parts; it also involves timing.
Vitamins cannot be isolated from their complexes and still perform their specific life functions within the cells. When isolated into artificial commercial forms, like ascorbic acid, these purified synthetics act as drugs in the body. They are no longer vitamins, and to call them such is inaccurate.
A vitamin is: "... a working process consisting of the nutrient, enzymes, coenzymes, antioxidants, and trace minerals activators."
- Royal Lee "What Is a Vitamin?" Applied Trophology, Aug. 1956
FORGOTTEN TRAILBLAZER Dr. Royal Lee was the pioneer researcher in the field of whole food vitamins. For decades he documented the basic facts summarized in this chapter. His work has never been scientifically refuted. Anyone who seriously undertakes the study of vitamins today corroborates Lee's work.
His story is a fascinating study in itself, a study of indomitable perseverance in the pursuit of true principles. Jensen tells us that Royal Lee's work will not be appreciated until the next century.
Hasn't happened yet.
Lee felt the full weight of organized drugs/medicine bearing down on him. Reading like something out of Schindler's List, we learn that the FDA not only persecuted Lee for challenging the economics of synthetic vitamins, produced by giant drug companies, but that he was actually ordered by a court to burn all his research of the past 20 years! Burn his research! When has that ever happened in this country? They didn't even do that to Larry Flynt.
Going off on a tangent, ever wondered how the FDA attained its present position as attack dog for the drug companies and food manufacturers? It's another whole story in itself. The precursor of the FDA was the Bureau of Chemistry. Up until 1912 the Bureau of Chemistry was headed up by a man named Dr. Harvey W. Wiley.
Here's a quote from Dr. Wiley that illustrates where his interests lay:
"No food product in our country would have any trace of benzoic acid, sulfurous acid or sulfites or any alum or saccharin, save for medical purposes. No soft drink would contain caffeine or theobromine. No bleached flour would enter interstate commerce. Our foods and drugs would be wholly without any form of adulteration and misbranding. The health of our people would be vastly improved and the life greatly extended. The manufacturers of our food supply, and especially the millers, would devote their energies to improving the public health and promoting happiness in every home by the production of whole ground, unbolted cereal flours and meals."
- The History of a Crime Against the Pure Food Law, 1912
Now obviously we can't have a dangerous lunatic like this in charge of the public nutrition, can we? Dr. Wiley actually filed suit against the Coca-Cola company in an attempt to keep their artificial product out of interstate commerce, and off the market. Fortunately Wiley was eventually replaced by a saner individual, more attuned to the real nutritional needs of the American people, as determined by the experts who knew what was best for us: the food manufacturers. This was Dr. Elmer Nelson, and in his words we get an idea of the change in philosophy that marked the transformation of the Bureau of Chemistry into the FDA:
'It is wholly unscientific to state that a well-fed body is more able to resist disease than a poorly-fed body. My overall opinion is that there hasn't been enough experimentation to prove that dietary deficiencies make one susceptible to disease."
- Elmer Nelson MD, Washington Post 26 Oct 49
Bernard Jensen illustrates how the tobacco industry and the food giants like Coke were indirectly behind the legal persecution of Royal Lee. Cigarette ads in the 40s and 50s showed medical doctors promoting the digestive benefits of smoking Camels. Or the advertising of Coke and other refined sugar foods stating that "science has shown how sugar can help keep your appetite and weight under control." (Empty Harvest)
During this same period, Royal Lee was kept in courts for years, fighting to keep the right to advertise his vitamin products, because he was a threat to the food manufacturers. Lee knew they were poisoning the American public. He proved that refined sugars and devitalized, bleached flours were destroying the arteries and the digestive system, causing heart disease and cancer. WHOLE VS. FRACTIONATED OK, natural vs. synthetic. Let's start with Vitamin C. Most sources equate vitamin C with ascorbic acid, as though they were the same thing. They're not. Ascorbic acid is an isolate, a fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In addition to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components as shown in the figure below:
______________A s c o r b i c A c i d ______________
ascorbinogen bioflavonoids rutin tyrosinase Factor J Factor K Factor P
In addition, mineral co-factors must be available in proper amounts.
If any of these parts are missing, there is no vitamin C, no vitamin activity. When some of them are present, the body will draw on its own stores to make up the differences, so that the whole vitamin may be present. Only then will vitamin activity take place, provided that all other conditions and co-factors are present. Ascorbic acid is described merely as the "antioxidant wrapper" portion of vitamin C; ascorbic acid protects the functional parts of the vitamin from rapid oxidation or breakdown. (Somer p 58 "Vitamin C: A Lesson in Keeping An Open Mind" The Nutrition Report)
Over 90% of ascorbic acid in this country is manufactured at a facility in Nutley, New Jersey, owned by Hoffman-LaRoche, one of the world's biggest drug manufacturers (1 800 526 0189). Here ascorbic acid is made from a process involving cornstarch and volatile acids. Most U.S. vitamin companies then buy the bulk ascorbic acid from this single facility. After that, marketing takes over. Each company makes its own labels, its own claims, and its own formulations, each one claiming to have the superior form of vitamin C, even though it all came from the same place, and it's really not vitamin C at all. FRACTIONATED = SYNTHETIC = CRYSTALLINE = FAKE The word synthetic means two things:
- manmade - occurs nowhere in nature
From the outset, it is crucial to understand the difference between vitamins and vitamin activity. The vitamin is the biochemical complex. Vitamin activity means the actual biological and cellular changes that take place when the stage is set for the vitamin complex to act.
Think of it like gas and a car. Pumping the gas into the tank doesn't necessarily mean the car is going anywhere. Other conditions and factors must be also present, in order for Activity to occur. The gas line to the carburetor must be clear, the carburetor jets must be set, there must be an exact mixture of air flow, the ignition must be turned on, the spark plugs must be clean, the exact amount of gas must reach each spark plug right before it fires, no gas must be left over in the cylinder after the plug fires. Getting the idea? If any of this stuff is missing, there's no Activity: the car doesn't run, or at least not very well.
Amazing as it may sound if you're hearing this for the first time, vitamins are more than the synthetic fractions we are commonly taught they are. The ascorbic acid you buy at the grocery store every few weeks, thinking you are buying Vitamin C, is just a chemical copy of naturally occurring ascorbic acid, which itself is still only a fraction of the actual Vitamin C. Real vitamin C is part of something living, and as such, can impart life.
Your synthetic, fractionated chemical ascorbic acid never grew in the ground, never saw the light of day, never was alive or part of anything alive. It's a chemical, a cornstarch derivative, a sulfuric acid by-product. In your body it's just another drug. Synthetic vitamins have toxic effects from mega-doses and actually can increase the white blood cell count. Vitamins are only necessary in minute quantities on a daily basis. Whole food vitamins, by contrast, are not toxic since the vitamin is complexed in its integral working form, and requires nothing from the body, and triggers no immune response.
DEFICIENCY Scurvy is a disease caused by vitamin C deficiency. Scurvy is characterized by bleeding gums, slow wound healing, softening bones, loose teeth, ulcerations of the mouth and digestive tract, general weight loss and fatigue. From 1650 to 1850 half of all seamen on transoceanic voyages died of scurvy.
It was discovered by ship surgeon Thomas Lind in the early 1800s that British sailors were spared the disease altogether simply by a diet rich in citrus fruits. Since limes traveled well, they were the common choice during the early years, and thus the expression "limeys" was coined to describe British sailors. It was later found both at sea and in prison fare that potatoes were equally successful in preventing scurvy, and much cheaper to obtain. (Lancet. 1842)
We find that there is less than 20 mg of ascorbic acid in a potato. Yet this small amount, since it is complexed in a food source, is all the body needs not only to prevent scurvy, but also to cure it, even in its advanced state. Such a remedy is described in detail in Richard Dana's amazing journal Two Years Before the Mast, written in 1840.
Whole food vitamin C as found in potatoes, onions, and citrus fruits is able to quickly cure any case of scurvy. By contrast, the fractionated chemical ascorbic acid has been shown to be insufficient in resolving a scurvy condition, simply because it does not act as a nutrient. (Lancet 1842)
Ascorbic acid simply cannot confer vitamin activity, as taught by the discoverer of vitamin C himself, another Nobel Prize laureate, Dr. Albert Szent-Georgi.
Szent-Georgi discovered vitamin C in 1937. In all his research however, Szent-Georgi found that he could never cure scurvy with the isolated ascorbic acid itself. Realizing that he could always cure scurvy with the "impure" vitamin C found in simple foods, Szent-Georgi discovered that other factors had to be at work in order for vitamin activity to take place.
So he returned to the laboratory and eventually made the discovery of another member of the vitamin C complex, as shown in the diagram above: rutin. All the factors in the complex, as Royal Lee and Dr. Szent-Georgi both came to understand, ascorbic acid, rutin, and the other factors, were synergists: co-factors which together sparked the "functional interdependence of biologically related nutrient factors." ( Empty Harvest p120) The term "wheels within wheels" was used to describe the interplay of co-factors.
Each of the other synergists in the C complex has a separate function:
- P factors for blood vessel strength, - J factors for oxygen-carrying capacity of red cells, - tyrosinase as an essential enzyme for enhancing white blood cell effectiveness.
Ascorbic acid is just the antioxidant outer shell - the protector of all these other synergists so that they will be able to perform their individual functions.
Dr. Royal Lee's phrase "biological wheels within wheels" always comes up in any discussion of whole food vitamins. Essentially it means that individual synergists cannot function as a vitamin in a chemically isolated form, like ascorbic acid. Vitamins are living complexes which contribute to other higher living complexes - like cell repair, collagen manufacture, and maintenance of blood circulation. Ascorbic acid is not a living complex. It is a copy of a part of a living complex known as vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is a fractionated, crystalline isolate of vitamin C.
Why are you a high school graduate or a college graduate or a doctor, and you don't know this? Because drug manufacturers like things clean and simple and cheap to produce. To this simple fact add the politics which always comes into play when anyone mentions the word "billions," and you are beginning to get the idea about where to begin your investigation. Burned his research???
DIETARY SOURCES Most vitamins cannot be made by the body. They must be taken in as food. The best sources then are obviously whole foods, rich in vitamins. Because of soil depletion, mineral depletion, pesticides, air pollution, and erosion, it is common knowledge that foods grown in American soil today have only a fraction of the nutrient value of 50 years ago.
That means a fraction of the vitamins and minerals necessary for normal human cell function. Royal Lee described the American diet as the cultivation and production of "devitalized foods." Dr. Weston Price describes these empty products as the "foods of commerce." Think it's gotten better or worse since their time? Thus the necessity for supplementation.
Vitamins and minerals are not functionally separable. They make each other work. Example: vitamin D is necessary for the body to absorb calcium. Copper is necessary for vitamin C activity. And so on. Mineral deficiencies can cause vitamin deficiencies, and vice versa. Epidemic mineral deficiency in America is a well-documented result of systematic soil depletion.
So that is the other prime difference between whole food vitamins and synthetics: whole food vitamins contain within them many essential trace minerals necessary for their synergistic operation. Synthetic vitamins contain no trace minerals, relying on, and depleting, the body's own mineral reserves.
FUNNY FARMS Following the German agricultural methods of Von Leibig in the mid-1800s, American farmers found that NPK (nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) was all that was necessary for crops to look good. (Frost p7) As long as NPK is added to the soil, crops can be produced and sold year after year from the same soil. They look OK. But the other necessary trace minerals vital for human nutrition are virtually absent from most American soil after all these years.
Many of these minerals, such as zinc, copper, and magnesium, are necessary co-factors of vitamin activity. Depleted topsoil is one simple, widespread mechanism of both vitamin and mineral deficiency in American produce today. This doesn't even take into account the tons of poisonous herbicides and pesticides dumped on crops. According to the UN, two million tons of pesticides are used worldwide annually. (Jensen, p69)
American agri-business has one motive: profit. Such a focus has resulted in an output of empty produce and a nation of unhealthy people. The earth's immune system is its soil. To be vital and capable of growing vital foods, soil must be rich in both minerals and soil-based organisms - life forms. Healthy produce naturally resists insects. Insects are like bad bacteria in the body: they are attracted to diseased tissue, though they do not cause it.
THE FOODS OF COMMERCE And we're still only talking about people who actually eat raw fruits and vegetables, which is a minority. Processed food composes the majority of what most Americans eat. The only nutrients in most processed foods are "enriched" and "fortified" as described below.
When a doctor says that food supplements are all unnecessary because we can get everything we need from our food, that doctor is lacking basic information published and agreed upon by his own peers. Whether or not we need supplementation is no longer an issue, except for one who is totally out of touch. The issue is what kind and how much. Vitamin and mineral deficiency can be tagged to practically ANY disease syndrome known to man. DW Cavanaugh, MD of Cornell University actually concluded that
"There is only one major disease, and that is malnutrition." (Jensen, p8)
Malnutrition of the affluent is the natural result of the foods of commerce. WEBSURFING The best vitamins are called whole food vitamins . It will be difficult finding this out on the Internet, however, because the Web is dominated by mainstream nutritional theory. In the area of vitamins, the Internet is 99% marketing; 1% actual information.
There are about 110 companies who sell vitamins in the US. Less than 5 of them use whole food vitamins. The reason is simple: whole food vitamins are expensive to make. A few of the largest pharmaceutical firms in the world mass produce synthetic vitamins for the vast majority of these 110 "vitamin" companies, who then put their own label on them, and every company claims theirs is the best! It's ridiculous! Americans spend over $9 billion per year for synthetic vitamins. (Frost p2)
Whole food vitamins are obtained by taking a vitamin-rich plant, removing the water and the fiber in a cold vacuum process, free of chemicals, and then packaging for stability. The entire vitamin complex in this way can be captured intact, retaining its "functional and nutritional integrity." (DeCava p.23.)
Upon ingestion, the body is not required to draw on its own reserves in order to complete any missing elements from the vitamin complex.
Mainstream marketing of vitamins and minerals has successfully created the myth that vitamins and minerals may be isolated from each other, that correct amounts may be measured out, and then we can derive total benefit from taking these fractionated chemical creations.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Vitamins and minerals, and also enzymes, work closely together as co-factors for each other's efficacy. If one part is missing, or in the wrong form or the wrong amount, entire chains of metabolic processes will not proceed normally. Result: downward spiraling of health, probably imperceptible for long periods of time.
MARKETING AND PROMOTION What is the marketing philosophy behind the prevalence of the type of synthetic vitamins available in the supermarket and mall vitamin stores? Simple: profit above all else. Once the public is shown that vitamin supplementation is necessary, the rest is marketing. Marketing is the art of persuading by suspending logic and twisting data into junk science. Example: what's the actual difference in compo-sition between Wheaties and Total, two cereals put out by the same company? Total is advertised as being much more nutrient-rich than "ordinary" Wheaties. Look at the labels. What justifies the extra $1.30 for a box of Total?
Answer: 1.5� worth of synthetic vitamins sprayed over the Wheaties. That's it! That's what "vitamin enriched" always means. The other trick word is "fortified." Generally that means that the food itself is devoid of nutrients or enzymes, so they tried to pump it up a little with some "vitamins." Cheap synthetic vitamin sprays are all that is required for the manufacturer to use labels like "enriched" and "fortified." These words are red flags - if a food needs to be fortified or enriched, you can bet it was already dead.
The mega-vitamin theory doesn't really hold when it comes to synthetics: If A Little Is Good, More Is Better. Macro doses of vitamin E, and also vitamin D have been shown to decrease immune function significantly. (DeCava.) It stands to reason. Vitamins by definition are necessary in phenomenally small doses. The discoverer of thiamine, a B vitamin, and the man who came up with the word vitamin, Dr. Casimir Funk, has this to say about synthetics:
"Synthetic vitamins: these are highly inferior to vitamins from natural sources, also the synthetic product is well known to be far more toxic."
Nutrition authority DeCava describes it:
"Natural food-source vitamins are enzymatically alive. Man-made synthetic vitamins are dead chemicals. "
- The Real Truth About Vitamins, p 209
Oxymorons: military intelligence, rap music, synthetic vitamins.
The marketing of fractionated crystalline synthetic vitamins has been so successful that most nutritionists and doctors are unaware that there is something missing from these "vitamins." Vitamin manufacturers compete for customers with identical products - they all bought their synthetic vitamins from the same couple of drug companies.
To differentiate their product, each makes claims of "high potency." Our vitamins are higher potency than theirs, etc. The point is, the higher the potency, the more the drug-like effects are present. Natural whole food vitamins are very low potency. Remember the 20mg of vitamin C in a potato that was able to cure a patient of scurvy? That was low potency.
Low potency is all we need. Low potency is enough to bring about vitamin activity. High potency overshoots the mark - the chemical is very pure and refined, like the difference between white sugar and the type of sugar that's in an apple.
THE MILLIGRAM GAME Generally speaking, if milligrams are being discussed at length, the author has no clue about vitamins. Synthetic vitamins are refined, high potency chemicals, and therefore may be accurately measured in milligrams, just like drugs. This has nothing to do with vitamin activity or nutrition, except in a negative way.
HALF THE STORY The same type of incomplete action can be seen with any synthetic vitamin. Let's take beta carotene for a minute, which the body can turn into vitamin A. Now you'll remember that vitamin A is necessary for good eyesight, DNA synthesis, and protects cells from free radicals.
A study reported in Apr 94 in the NEJM of some 30,000 Finnish subjects showed conclusively that synthetic vitamin A had no antioxidant effect whatsoever. A true antioxidant helps to protect heart muscle, lungs, and artery surfaces from breaking down prematurely. In this study, the subjects who received the synthetic beta carotene actually had an 8% higher incidence of fatal heart attacks, strokes, and lung cancer than those who got the placebo (sugar pill).
Stands to reason: the synthetic brought no vitamin activity to the tissues that needed it. As a dead, purified chemical introduced into the body, the synthetic further stressed the immune system, the liver, and the kidneys which all had to try to break down this odd chemical and remove it from the body. It would be bad enough if they were harmless, but synthetic vitamins actually have a net negative effect.
Vitamin A was first discovered in 1919. By 1924, it had been broken down and separated from its natural whole food complex: "purified." By 1931, LaRoche - one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world, even today - had succeeded in "synthesizing" vitamin A. That means they had created a purely chemical copy of a fraction of naturally occurring vitamin A. Naturally occurring vitamin A is found associated with an entire group of other components:
- Retinols - Retinoids - Retinal - Carotenoids - Carotenes - Fatty acids - Vitamin C - Vitamin E - Vitamin B - Vitamin D - Enzymes - Minerals
- Vitamins and Minerals, Somer 1992
Isolated from these other factors, vitamin A is a fraction which cannot perform its biological functions. Taken as a synthetic, it must then draw on this list of resources already in the body in order to complete its make-up. Whole food vitamin A, by contrast, is already complete and ready to go.
Most synthetic vitamin A consists only of retinal, retinol, or retinoic acid. The well-publicized potential for toxicity with mega doses of vitamin A involves one of these three. Vitamin A toxicity, known as hypervitaminosis, always results from an excess of synthetic, "purified" vitamin A, and never from whole food vitamin A. (DeCava, p 86) Effects of vitamin A toxicity include:
- tumor enhancement - joint disorders - osteoporosis - extreme dryness of eyes, mouth and skin, - enlargement of liver and spleen - immune depression - birth defects
Beta carotene is a precursor the body can convert to vitamin A. Unfortunately, as a supplement, synthetic beta carotene is usually "stabilized" in refined vegetable oils. In this trans fatty acid form, oxidation occurs and the chemically "pure" beta carotene can no longer act as a nutrient, because it was changed. Almost all synthetic beta carotene is produced by the Swiss drug giant Hoffman-LaRoche. This form can no longer be converted to vitamin A. The best it can be is worthless, and at the worst is toxic.
Natural vitamin A and beta carotene are well known as immune boosters and cancer fighters, in their role as antioxidants. Synthetic vitamin A by contrast has actually brought about significant increases in cancer. A study done in Finland provided smokers with large doses of synthetic beta carotene. Lung cancer incidence increased 18%! (NEJM Apr 94 " The Alpha Tocopherol Beta Carotene Cancer Prevention Study Group")
These findings were corroborated two years later in another study written up in Lancet. Pharma-cologic doses of synthetic beta carotenes were found to block the antioxidant activity of the other 50 naturally occurring carotenoids in the diet. Anti-cancer activity was thus blocked by the synthetic. (Lancet 1996)
With the vast outpouring of wrong information about vitamins A and C, the findings of a 1991 article in Health Counselor are no surprise: 50% of Americans are deficient in vitamin A and 41% are deficient in vitamin C. Synthetic vitamins cannot prevent deficiencies.
FAKE VITAMIN B In one experiment, synthetic vitamin B (thiamine) was shown to render 100% of a group of pigs sterile! 100% would be considered a significant finding. (Dr. Barnett Sure, Journ Natr 1939) Perhaps the fact that synthetic vitamin B comes from coal tar, maybe that has something to do with it, you think? Then there's vitamin B12, which comes from activated sewage sludge. (Frost p 60) Been shooting blanks since you started on those multi's?
For the licensed dieticians and clinical nutritionists reading this in disbelief because it is too "unscientific," consider the way Theron Randolph MD delineated between natural and synthetic:
"A synthetically derived substance may cause a reaction in a chemically susceptible person when the same material of natural origin is tolerated, despite the two substances having identical chemical structures. The point is illustrated by the frequency of clinical reactions to synthetic vitamins - especially vitamin B1 and C - when the [same] naturally occurring vitamins are tolerated."
IRRADIATION According to Los Angeles naturopath, Dr. Jack Singh, all commercial lecithins in supplements, as well as most vitamin D, comes from irradiated vegetable oils. That's rancid, oxidizing trans fatty acids! A birthday party of free radicals. This is the precise mechanism for arterial wall breakdown prior to plaque deposits, then arteriosclerosis, then heart disease. I thought we were supposed to be taking vitamins to stay healthy!
LOST HORIZON Why is this information so difficult to find? It's in none of the "alternative" health 'zines, or any of the mainstream media. Alternative-Lite guru Julian Whittaker, in his summer 1998 newsletter actually had the temerity to state outright "Synthetic vitamins and whole food vitamins are identical." I'm sure his synthetic vitamin company and all its retailers were reassured by this incredibly arrogant and flagrantly inaccurate pronouncement. But who is objecting?
Only those clients of the 5 companies who know enough to take whole food vitamins, because they have become educated to realize the difference. These are the vast minority, having no control of the media.
Royal Lee and Harvey Wiley lost. Nobody knows who they are today, except we few. This is no accident. What everybody does know is Pepsi and Viagra and Wonder Bread and prednisone and Double Whoppers with Cheese and Zantac and Baskin Robbins and Long's Drug Store. And grocery store vitamins: synthetic vitamins.
That's America, today as the product of yesterday. Control of information in America today is one of the most sophisticated systems of influence ever devised. The simple ideas contained in this chapter are simply not available to the mass consciousness. The documentation is out there, but you really gotta dig.
100 years ago if a medical doctor saw a case of cancer he would call all his colleagues to come and have a look, telling them it was unlikely they would see another case, as cancer was so rare. People rarely died of heart attacks; in fact the term heart attack itself didn't even exist. There was no incidence at all of atherosclerosis. Diabetes was practically unheard of. What did they eat? Fruits, vegetables, meat, butter, and lard. But none of it was processed with drugs and chemicals.
Today one in three dies of cancer. One in two dies of heart disease. Diabetes is the seventh leading cause of death in the U.S. (Vital Statistics) Is that progress? If you are a food manufacturer it is, and especially if you are a drug manufacturer.
In the 1980s the WHO ranked the US as #22 in the world in infant mortality. Male sperm count is less than 20% of what it was in 1929. (1981 University of Florida report, Natural vs. Synthetic) Infant mortality is up; birth defects are up. We spend $1.5 trillion per year for health care, most of which goes for administration and executive salaries. Who are the largest advertisers for TV and the printed media? Right: drug companies and food manu-facturers. Do they want to keep the ball rolling? You bet. Will they kill you to do it? You bet.
Do they want people to take charge of their own health by natural inexpensive foods and supplements? Negative. A cure for cancer has been "right around the corner" since Nixon. People are starting to ask questions; they're less inclined to believe the slick ads coming every 10 minutes on TV and in Newsweek.
Perhaps Hippocrates did not envision doctors as detail men or drug reps. He most likely thought like Henry Bieler, MD:
"Nature, if given the opportunity is always the greatest healer. It is the physician's role to assist in this healing, to play a supporting role."
- Finding the Right Cure for You
REFERENCES DeCava, Judith --- The Real Truth About Vitamins and Antioxidants 1996 Jensen, Bernard, DC --- Empty Harvest 1990 Frost, Mary --- Going Back to the Basics of Human Health 1997 Bieler, Henry MD --- Finding the Right Cure For You 1998 Lee, Royal --- "What Is a Vitamin?" Applied Trophology Aug 1956 Wiley, Harvey W., MD --- The History of a Crime Against the Pure Food Law Robbins, John --- Reclaiming Our Health 1996 Nelson, Elmer, MD --- Washington Post 26 Oct 49 Somer, Elizabeth --- "Vitamin C: A Lesson in Keeping An Open Mind" The Nutrition Report Lancet . 1842 Dana, Richard --- Two Years Before the Mast, p 444 ff. 1840. Lind, James --- "A Treatise of the Scurvy in Three Parts. Containing an inquiry into the Nature, Causes and Cure of that Disease, together with a Critical and Chronological View of what has been published on the subject." A. Millar, London, 1753. Woodall, A --- Caution with b-carotene supplements Lancet 347:967, 1996 Heinonen, O MD --- The effect of vitamin E and beta carotene on the incidence of lung cancer and other cancers in male smokers" The Alpha Tocopherol Beta Carotene Cancer Prevention Study Group NEJM 14 Apr 1994 330;15:1031 Barnett Sure, MD --- Journ Natr 1939 University of Florida report --- "Natural vs. Synthetic" 1981 Randolph, Theron MD --- Human Ecology and Susceptibility to the Chemical Environ. 7th ed. 1980 Price, Weston --- Nutrition and Physical Degeneration - Keats Publ. 1997 CDC -- National Vital Statistics Report - Vol. 47, no.19, June 1999.
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Wow what a artical!!!
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-article way too long. author will get this information to a fraction of the people due to his long winded repetitive points. only the fact that i have no life and am desperate caused me to read the whole thing
-i have my doubts about vitamins as well. after i take my 20 a day i dont feel as well and have bright yellow bad smelling urine the rest of the day even though i drink a lot of water. that being said my head is getting to the point of explosion on what to take and what not to take. why believe this guy over any other guy who is disputing everything.
-i didnt understand his point about people 100 years ago never having seen cancer and heart attacks not existing. people lived to be 40 back then. "is this progress?" i would say doubling the life expectancy is indeed progress.
-very interesting points he made about the spray on vitamins. the "enhanced" "fortified". i found the 1.5cent bit difference between total and wheaties to be funny.
-what are my options? lets say i start taking whole food vitamins (if i could even find a place that sells them). in a year ill read that they are poisoned and cause kidney failure and will have to try something else.
-why would physicians recommend certain vitamins and supplements if they arent seeing clinical benefits from them?
-when youre tested for vitamin deficiency (a lot of people here talk about low vit d levels), and are told to take supplements of said vitamin, dont levels of said vitamin increase? what am i missing?
-interesting post something to think about for sure. questioning status quo defiantly good.
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I believe they may be cultured soy in nature-so if you ahve soy allergies it wouldn't be ideal for you.
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Try Dr. Whitaker.com I get my supplements from them.
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New Chapter looks very good.
Steelbone - New Chapter site has a store locater.
JYW -
article way too long. author will get this information to a fraction of the people due to his long winded repetitive points. only the fact that i have no life and am desperate caused me to read the whole thing
(long but informative, for sure. Effective communication in todayys very rushed world is based on repetition. I would say those that are too rushed are not really interested in their health. What the heck could be more important?)
-i have my doubts about vitamins as well. after i take my 20 a day i dont feel as well and have bright yellow bad smelling urine the rest of the day even though i drink a lot of water. that being said my head is getting to the point of explosion on what to take and what not to take. why believe this guy over any other guy who is disputing everything.
(yellow pee IME is due to high doses of fractions. This work + commentary are based on pioneers of nutrition - Royal Lee etc. I have been interested in nutrition for the last 40 years + have studied it that long.)
-i didnt understand his point about people 100 years ago never having seen cancer and heart attacks not existing. people lived to be 40 back then. "is this progress?" i would say doubling the life expectancy is indeed progress.
(we did not DIE from those diseases, we died from other diseases like infections we had no clue how to handle)
-very interesting points he made about the spray on vitamins. the "enhanced" "fortified". i found the 1.5cent bit difference between total and wheaties to be funny.
-what are my options? lets say i start taking whole food vitamins (if i could even find a place that sells them). in a year ill read that they are poisoned and cause kidney failure and will have to try something else.
(up to you what you take. IME if you start with good ones you will stick with them. I started with Standard Process which were developed by Royal Lee, mentioned above. He recognized before 1920 that processed junk food was taking over our food supply.)
-why would physicians recommend certain vitamins and supplements if they arent seeing clinical benefits from them?
(1 - MDs have little or no nutritional education. Their main influence is drug companies. 2 - define "clinical benefits". With food + whole food supps you do not see quick results. Drugs are designed to show quick results mostly with symptoms.
Drugs can not heal organs. Arent all our body parts built on foods ?)
-when youre tested for vitamin deficiency (a lot of people here talk about low vit d levels), and are told to take supplements of said vitamin, dont levels of said vitamin increase? what am i missing?
(we use vitamins + minerals on a daily basis. That is why we need to mostly keep them coming in)
-interesting post something to think about for sure. questioning status quo defiantly good.
(most whole food vitamin companies do not have the money + time to do studies long enough. There are also too many variables involved for a good clean study.
Current "scientific studies" are designed for one variable. That variable is the drug. Vitamins have many parts which can be variables. Different people need different amounts of vitamins + minerals. Your body is designed to live + thrive on food. Not on chemicals. Chemical engineers are NOT smarter than God, even if they think they are)
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It's a logical concept but it's hard to say if it's the last word on supplementation. There are many "fads" in nutrition. I don't know if there is extensive evidence about natural vs. synthetic.
It's a good idea to eat well. Since I've been dowsing my supplements - I notice that I need alot less than most brands recommend. It may just be a personal thing due to my genetics, body, etc.
I used to listen to Gary Null alot when I was younger. Many of the things he stated as "fact" were inaccurate or subject to debate (in the least). I learned that you can't always go by the latest info even if it seem logical at the time.
BTW - Gary Null always said that ascorbic acid was just as good as more expensive kinds of vitamin C. I don't know if he still believes this but it's just interesting to know.
he also said that nutrition was only 10% of why people get ill - if I recall correctly.
I think it's good to keep in mind that humans are very adaptable. We can survive in a variety of environments. People in Iceland have very few fresh vegetables but they seem to thrive there.
I don't think we are ill with Lyme, co-infections, "mystery illnesses", etc. due to poor nutrition. It helps to eat well but I think we are dealing with pathogens that we have to get out of our bodies.
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idk, im starting to think LD is more about the immune system. i have heard from so many that their symptoms started after a bad illness or tramatic event. these things colapse the immune system and cause the infection to go ape $hit. i personaly belive that waaaayyyy more people have lyme infections then we think, its just their body handels the infection well enough that symptoms dont get to the point were people are concerned. people learn to deal with minor things like fatigue, headaces, anxiety, and so on
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mass: i think you have good points i just am so tired of runnin into dead ends.
you think taking synthetic supplements are bad for you?
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Body has to get rid all those high dose synthetic chemicals.
With real ones you can start with some basics like multi with minerals, probiotics and fats.
Organ support for specific organs can also be used if needed.
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Thanks Steel...
It's probably best to try to eat well. I know it's hard if you don't feel well to go shopping & cook a good meal. Alot of our food is tainted or has less nutrition than it did in the past.
If you start with trying to eat well - you probably don't need to take the synthetic vitamins as much.
I tried alot of stuff for many years with trying to have a "perfect" diet, juicing, etc. but it did not make me well. With some illnesses - it may be a factor but with Lyme & company - we have to deal with a pathogen.
I do think that Lyme & company effects some genetic types differently than others. For some, they get through it quickly & for others, it lingers.
I don't know if it's specifically the immune system or DNA...? It's hard to know what it's actually doing without having tons of studies or money for research.
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One dr told me he thinks 80% of the population has it..some people are lucky and there immune systems keep it in check
interesting and could be true for all i know. i do think that lyme people tend to exagerate but i am shocked by less and less now a days
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Sparkle said "with Lyme & company - we have to deal with a pathogen."
That may vary wih each person. The internal terrain + the amount of its toxicity may have a lot to do with the disease expressing itself. Klinghardt emphasizes detoxing.
80% having it makes sense. Are all those "autolmmune" diseases really expressions of lyme and its individual expression ?
And that healthy internal terrain is related to the quality of the parts we use to build it. Should it be built out of dead (synthetic) parts or living (viable) parts ?
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I don't know how we get a healthy internal terrain when there are 85,000+ chemicals in the environment. New ones are being introduced to the environment every day.
Just take a look at breastmilk these days... Then, they stick mercury in your mouth when you are a kid - not to mention all the vaccines.
I just don't see how having a healthy terrain is going to help against diseases that are from potentially modified bio-warfare organisms.
Dr. K has some good ideas but I don't think his approach is 100% effective. Also, it's prohibitively expensive. Where are we supposed to live after detoxing - in a bubble?
My neighbor does her laundry & the smell comes into my house. It's really offensive but what can I do? I have an air filter but it still comes in the house.
Not to mention the water we drink & the fluoride, etc. The chemtrails I see almost every day... Car exhaust, EMFs, pesticides & on & on.
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WOW ! Such an incredibly positive attitude !
Friends must wallow in that abiity to make their days easier every single day
We who struggle almost every single day are struck by such an attitude tat is almost always there
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OK - & we'll all just sing Kumbaya & everyone will be well again... after spending our life savings with Dr. K or the equivalent.
I'm a realist... It would be nice but rainbows & butterflies just aren't going to cut it in this world.
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Ahhhh.......that positive attitude again !
Twice within about 30 hours !
I am suggesting ideas that have been around for 70 or 80 tears.
Ideas put forth by brilliant leaders of the natural health field at thr time. Before BigPharma + BigAgriBusiness were in control.
May be too much reality for the oh ! so! positive thinkers
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Reading this makes me wonder if the way to go with vitamins is with products like Juice Plus, that are whole food supps?
I took Juice Plus for two years. Quit because at the time I was at my sickest and could see no benefit from taking them.
REalized later my body wasn't capable of absorbing good stuff. It was so full of toxic material. They really aren't expensive when you look at value vs dollar.
Any thoughts massman on the Juice Plus line?
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Site is good but...no "official" list of ingredients that I could find. Would like to see one if available.
Typically the list shows amounts of nutrients per serving.
Spark - doesn't todays highly polluted toxic world make having real actual foods even more important than ever before
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I also take Green Vibrance every morning. It helps a lot, I get a decent boost from it.
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Hey! Be sure to get your serum level of vitamin C level checked before supplementing, low levels can indicate chronic virus, HHV6, XMRV, etc.
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Massman, I think you'll enjoy this article:
quote: With the introduction of lemon juice, the British suddenly held a massive strategic advantage over their rivals... British ships could now stay out on blockade duty for two years at a time...
The success of lemon juice was so total that much of Sicily was soon transformed into a lemon orchard for the British fleet.
So when the Admiralty began to replace lemon juice with an ineffective substitute in 1860, it took a long time for anyone to notice.
In that year, naval authorities switched procurement from Mediterranean lemons to West Indian limes. The motives for this were mainly colonial - it was better to buy from British plantations than to continue importing lemons from Europe.
Confusion in naming didn't help matters. Both "lemon" and "lime" were in use as a collective term for citrus, and though European lemons and sour limes are quite different fruits, their Latin names (citrus medica, var. limonica and citrus medica, var. acida) suggested that they were as closely related as green and red apples.
Moreover, as there was a widespread belief that the antiscorbutic properties of lemons were due to their acidity, it made sense that the more acidic Caribbean limes would be even better at fighting the disease.
Tests on animals would later show that fresh lime juice has a quarter of the scurvy-fighting power of fresh lemon juice. And the lime juice being served to sailors was not fresh, but had spent long periods of time in settling tanks open to the air, and had been pumped through copper tubing.
A 1918 animal experiment using representative samples of lime juice from the navy and merchant marine showed that the 'preventative' often lacked any antiscorbutic power at all.
By the 1870s, therefore, most British ships were sailing without protection against scurvy. Only speed and improved nutrition on land were preventing sailors from getting sick.
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Sauerkraut was also used by Vikings to fight and prevent scurvy.
I didn't know this about lemon/lime juice though-good thing I use a lot of it!
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massman - Great article! I've no doubt that Vits and Supps as sold by vast majority of Pharma are completely worthless! Or even worse-dangerous!
Would be interested to know your recommendations for Vits A, B12, C & K? Currently using Thorne K2 liquid and have doubts. Transdermal Mg is the only other (supp) I'm currently using. Also, opinion of TMG (Trimethyl Glycine)?
I'm not a Vit / Min person in general and have always been hesitant to load myself with the substances given on longs lists posted here. However, I do recognize the need for assistance and am considering some (additional) major changes to lifestyle.
Direct, named, recommendations from you much appreciated!
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To mass and others into investigating whole food vits & supps = I like the descriptions given by Garden of Life. What do you think?
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Ping, I read the book by the guy who has Garden of Life, and I admired the way they were making vitamins. But now I'm totally annoyed with them.
I was running out of Wobenzym, so I went looking for a vendor with the best price. I read a recent review where the person said that they were having digestive problems with it, and found that the new company, Garden of Life, had changed the formula.
Sure enough, every vendor now carried Wobenzym with Garden of Life on the label. And they were all charging $30 more than the best price I had found before.
I finally found a vendor with the old stuff, and the old price, and purchased it. When I got it, it had Garden of Life on the label, but I started taking it anyway.
I didn't get digestive upset from the new stuff, but my headaches began to return. More aches and pains, too.
The new tablets were slightly larger. The ingredient list was the same, but I don't think that means much. I had used Flavenzyme for a while...it has the same list of ingredients, but gave me digestive upset.
A friend on chat clued me in that the Mucos brand Wobenzym was still available, and suggested where to look.
So this is why I'm not happy with Garden of Life. They changed the formula, and apparently are not letting the vendors charge less than a certain price.
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Carol - thanks 1
Ping - I have favored Standard Process for over 15 years. Began making whole food supps in 1929.
Grow + produce what they use.
check out www.standardprocess.com Need to go through a health pro. _____________________________________________ Standard Disclaimer - no money, moolah, nada to me for recommending specific supps.
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Much, much thanks to Carol and massman!
Carol, thanks ever so much for the "annoyance alert". Clues to a good company / bad company often begin with things of this nature. I've ordered their Vit B & C from Amazon (not expensive), but will be looking at massman's suggestion for better products.
massman, thanks for the info! Will be researching diligently!
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ping - I will recommend a book even though I have now been accused of selling books too.
"The Real Truth About Vitamins and Antioxidants" by Judith DeCava. You should be able to find it at www.google.com
It might curdle your insides. _____________________________________________ Standard Disclaimer: No money, moolah, compensation or anything from anybody anywhere to me for ANYTHING I recommend.
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mass - I've read excerpts of this book and have been saying much the same thing for years! This industry is at best a joke and many times, it's dangerous!
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