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What an awful tragedy that has transpired today.
Remembering well the cast of characters from the film, Under Our Skin, of course, Elise (Brady-Moe) comes to mind. As some of you might remember, Elise's town was featured as 'Newtown, CT' in the documentary. When you reference the webpage for Under Our Skin, you see that Elise's profession is listed as 'school administrator in Connecticut.' Let's pray that Elise, Elise's family (children), Elise's friends, and Elise's school community all remain safe this afternoon.
With a heavy heart, Lymebulldog
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My heart is broken.....prayers for all the children, family and friends involved. Such a senseless tragedy!
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So Heartbeaking!!!1 Can't stop crying over this sensless, horrific tradegy. Prayers for the children and fsmilies. So deeply sad for these people.
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I live in CT...my friend used to work at the school where the shooting occurred. Thank the universe she wasn't there today. This is an UNBELIEVABLE tragedy. Jess.
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Profile of a mass murderer as defined by several psychiatrists:
Narcissistic, revengeful egocentric, with low self esteem. Why don't they just kill themselves and stop killing inncocent people/children. Sorry, I am just so furious and sick of these people who think they are so self important.
President Obama is crying on national TV.
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Just read on Huffington Post that Adams brother Ryan said Adam was autistic and had a personality disorder. So Sad all the way around.
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I've never seen it so quiet here on a Friday nite...people are absolutely somber -
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So sad. IMO, I wish guns were outlawed, at least handguns and automatic weapons. This is so sad. I can't stop thinking of the parents of the children that were killed. My heart breaks for them. :'(
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wouldn't surprise me of some of the people committing such acts have untreated chronic neurological infection with heavy metal toxicity
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I lived in Ct all my life and worked in the area many times on construction jobs for homes. I'm still in disbelief and sadness for those mothers and fathers who will not see their daughter or son anymore.
I know a Principle of another school and she believes that teachers should be allowed to have gun permits and training for these kind of situations if they want ; .If any of the staff had a gun they might have been able to at least prevent some of the deaths. I'm in full agreement with this . I do think better screening and holding gun owners responsible for their weapons would be a good thing.
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It was reported that the shooters mother bought him the guns. It that is true, can't imagine what she was thinking. The guns were legally registered. she was supposedly a responsible person. NOT!
I agree that everyone should be able to protect themselves from these horrific kinds of situations. How do we keep guns out of the hands of such unstable people to begin with.
Don't think there is any easy answer unfortunately even if we had stricter gun laws. I am so sad about what happened to these children.
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My heart aches for all of those innocent victims and their families. Those poor babes who witnessed this senseless act will now be haunted for the rest of their precious lives.
We need to do something to stop this. More enforceable gun control laws? Better help for those with mental illness? Less social tolerance for all the violence out there in movies, electronic games and music lyrics that our young people grow up with?? It is frightening what has happened to our society.
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It is being reported that the gunman had autism. Autism is Lyme in the brain. If any of you watched the recent ILADS conference in Boston, you saw the presentation (including dramatic videos) by a man describing his son's descent into autism, and dramatic recovery following antibiotic treatment.
This school shooting is another example of Lyme rage. The chimp in Greenwich who ripped apart that woman's face had LYME DISEASE. The guy who shot that pastor in church years ago had LYME DISEASE. These are facts - do a google search.
Here in CT, I estimate 9 out of 10 Lyme cases are undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. I was one of them, misdiagnosed for decades.
I know what Lyme rage is, because I had it myself. So did my mother. My mother was a kind, sweet, shy, sensitive woman who became a screaming banshee because of undiagnosed Lyme Disease. She died of it, altho we were told it was the Parkinson's (preceded by epilepsy, early dementia, schizoaffective disorder, swallowing problems, major depression with hallucinations....
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Not everything is Lyme. Autism is also caused by vaccine injury, environmental toxins, etc. There are people who have real mental illnesses such as paranoid schizophrenia, and there is usually some psychosis if not schizophrenia going on with many of these types of situations.
I think to say the school shooting is Lyme rage may be oversimplification. Lyme rage is real but doesn't generally cause one to go kill 27 people. This guy had some serious mental illness going on as well.
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Well, this horrific tradgedy has deeply affected me.
I have children this age. It is truly horrifying. I'm quite stressed.
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quote:Originally posted by Tracy9: Not everything is Lyme. Autism is also caused by vaccine injury, environmental toxins, etc. There are people who have real mental illnesses such as paranoid schizophrenia, and there is usually some psychosis if not schizophrenia going on with many of these types of situations.
I think to say the school shooting is Lyme rage may be oversimplification. Lyme rage is real but doesn't generally cause one to go kill 27 people. This guy had some serious mental illness going on as well.
Lyme can cause SERIOUS mental illness. The autistic child in the ILADS presentation developed autism after getting MMR vaccine. The vaccine was the trigger for Lyme to become activated. Any trauma can serve as a trigger. Antibiotic treatment worked because it was Lyme causing the autism. The presentation was very compelling. Please watch it if you can.
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One of my sons has classic autism, and was severely oxygen-deprived at birth. Another son was mildly oxygen-deprived and has a mild form of autism. My youngest son was not oxygen-deprived and he is a typical child. For my family, oxygen deprivation seemed to be the cause.
That being said, I cried my eyes out over this tragedy. I have been heartsick and depressed as I buy my children Christmas presents. How many of these families had presents wrapped under their trees for little hands to open - only to see them now as sad reminders of what can never be? Will any families who knew the true meaning of Christmas feel the light of their faith extinguished forever? I pray one day they find peace.
How many parents across the country with young children will be at least a little afraid to send their children to school on Monday? Too many - myself included.
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From an article by Dr. B, the ILADS psychiatrist:
"The recent attention on Lyme disease began after a chimpanzee with Lyme/tick-borne disease became violent and assaulted their owner in February 2009. Then a few weeks later a patient with late stage Lyme/tick-borne disease shot and killed a minister in Illinois. Since these two incidents occurred in close time proximity and both drew considerable media attention there has been an increased attention upon the question of whether tick-borne diseases can cause violent behavior. Lyme disease has been associated with causing aggression in dogs and other animals."
Interestingly, I know a teacher in the Newtown public schools (he does not teach at Sandy Hook) who has Lyme himself, altho he has been in denial about it. I have been bugging him for years about seeing an LLMD, but he always resisted. His own PCP tested him and he was pos. on a few bands. Took the standard doxy for a few weeks. Finally, he called me two months ago and asked me what he should take for "the chills" that he is now getting in the evening. Basically, I told him what he should take is a visit to an LLMD and a viewing of Under Our Skin. Don't think he has followed through.
Lyme is rampant in Newtown.
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Paulie -
I tend to agree with you.
When someone pointed out on another Lyme site that the mother in Under Our Skin lived in Newtown ... I immediately thought ...
wonder if the shooter had Lyme.
Here's another chilling observation. When my mother bought her beach community home in southern Rhode Island, she was pleased to get it at a discounted price ... because the former tenants in that house (a couple) had succombed in a murder-suicide.
After two tick bites (that we know of) on that property over ten years, she now suffers from neurological Lyme.
Now I often wonder if the shooter in that house might have had Lyme.
This disease is a nightmare. But largely in part, to the ignorance of the medical community.
May our loving Lord send His comfort to these families.
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My heart goes out to the families and the community. Also to Adam Lanza, the older brother. He's lost so much as well.
The choices and events made this a sad and evil tide of destruction. The tragic loss of potential, of celebrations is so enormous that it is hard for me to view or read about it without crying.
Today I was able to go to church. The minister made a special point of our remembering that today's advent candle of joy is also to remember love, loss, and sacrifice in our faith history and in the tragedy in our nation. She said we need and seek joy at times such as these.
One of my joys is knowing that though I feel alone with what I'm going through, if I look within this community, I know I am not.
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i am so sorry for these people and what they are going through.
i wonder if this young man was getting any kind of mental help? was he seeing doctors?
i question the mother. what was she thinking?? denial?? and anyone with a person in the family like this, should not have guns in the home. responsible gun owners know this.
and yes i thought of lyme first thing.
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I agree with paulie as well. No, of course, not everything is lyme, but this is. I know a bit about lyme rage as well, having suffered from it as well. I feel fortunate to be alive and not in jail as a result of some of the things I have done during lyme rage. What was I thinking! I was thinking, but it was not rational, for sure! Sometimes we get lucky.
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Gee thanks for that visual Maddog
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MADDOG...agree with AuntyLynn. Terrible visual. What are you smoking? Kidding
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ah, coulda done without that one...
you've been watching too many ninja movies. stay off netflix...
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Well, I'm sorry. I come from a family that hunts. I have no problem with rifles and shotguns ... but these semi-automatic weapons? Come on!
In this case, the shooter used long arms ... but he had semi-automatic weapons with him. The theatre massacre of a few months ago - ditto - semi-automatics ... and plenty of clips!
You don't need this kind of weapon to shoot a darned deer! Heck, my cousin and his son both each took down a 4pt and 7pt buck this year, with BOWS!
If you're worried about Uncle Sam coming to imprison you in a labor camp - just stock up on some dynamite. Or better yet, pay much closer attention to your government and VOTE.
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When it comes down to it, it's really about the sick mentally unstsble individuals that perpetrate these unspeakable acts and choose to act out this way.
We have always had guns and mentally ill individuals, but can't remember when they chose mass murder in public places.
Gael
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While I agree with the premise that if guns are criminalized, only the criminals will have guns; but there should be some common sense restrictions.
Like background checks, for criminal or mental health records. We have them in my very populated state, and it takes about 90 days just to get a permit to own. (Carry permits are mostly limited to former law enforcement personnel.)
But when someone can cross a border and pick up whatever they want at a week-end gun show, it makes my state law useless.
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quote:Originally posted by MADDOG: I was making a point,it does not take a gun to be a terrible murdering fool.
- True .. but ..
The very same day, some idiot stabbed a bunch of school children in China. None died, however.
I'm with you, Aunty. I hate gun control because it is a precipitous path we go down. But semis are not needed for hunting.
Hmmmm.. they are wearing green ribbons in the ceremony tonight
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I wondered about the green ribbons as well.
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Green was the favorite color of Victoria Soto. The heroic teacher that was deemed a hero for saving so many young children. R.I.P
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Read the story written by a mom. "I'm Adam Lanza Mom". It's all over the web.
It really tells us the direction we need to go....dealing with all the mental illness in children.
There is no place in American society for assult weapons. None
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Cris Cuomo and the psychologist they had on The View this morning said it best. There is a common denominator with these mass murderers. Dr. Drew has basically been saying the same things.
They feel neglected and want to "Go Out In a Blaze Of Glory" Killing children will get them the most recognition that they think they were missing in life. They have a feeling of entitelement.
They want to be recognized as "Larger Than Life" and killing children will bring this kind of shock to people. We live in a culture of violence (video games, movies etc.)
The theme here was that this was not about mental illness (not saying these people were not mentally ill)or guns, but again about violence in our culture.
These mass murders were pre-meditated and about a life choice. I really have to agree with all of this. I hope I got this right as I am listening to the program this morning.
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I agree that it seems to be some need for recognition and/or notoriety!
Interesting that this doc cited our "violent" society. I do NOT like some of the video games kids are entrenched in these days - nor even some of the cartoons! Look at the top five movie releases each week, they all feature crime battles, wars, or some other form or violence. We are steeped in this sensationalist mindset.
Does anyone take their kids to church these days? Just wondering!
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Killing little children brings the most"SHOCK" because it is so outrageous. More press and coverage for his demented ego. The whole world is grieving with us. This guy (not mentioning his name) riddled these children with bullets. This is pure evil.
Grief has several stages and one is anger. I am still very angry and heartsick. I have 3 grandchildren in New England and am petrified.
Gael
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I think a big part of the problem in society today is the acceptance of violence in movies, TV shows and video games.
I remember taking my kids to "G" or "PG" movies and telling them to hold their hands to their ears while pulling them close to me so they wouldn't see or hear the violent movie previews. It's pretty disgusting that a parent should have to do that while attending a movie appropriate for children.
The amount of violent video games out there is staggering. It blows my mind that parents think nothing of buying them for their kids.
TV violence is rampant as well. Many times as we watch age-appropriate comedies, violent commercials appear before you have a chance to change the channel.
This of course is no excuse for a 20 year old young man to set out to murder precious innocents in cold blood.
And the guns. Why on earth did this man's mother own such high-powered weapons? Why would anyone, other than law enforcement?
Too many questions, not enough answers and not enough movement/discourse on the part of our government officials. I surely don't know the answers. All I know is that I don't ever want to wake up to such horror again.
My prayers and thoughts are with the families.
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I checked the facts. He DID use a semi-automatic, with a 30 round clip. He had 2 more clips with him.
While his mother WAS stupid to teach him how to use these weapons, and they SHOULD have been locked ...
here's a question for you Maddog, are ALL of YOUR firearms locked? Most people keep at least ONE gun "handy" in case of emergency.
Obviously this kid was using a copycat scenario - black outfit, bullet vest, combat boots.
The testosterone of a 19 year old and the brain of an 10 year old - NOT a good combination!
I saw an interview with the woman who wrote "I am ____ Lanza's Mother" - she has a mentally retarded son, who she says FRIGHTENS HER when he gets angry.
If this kid only had access to a pump shotgun, things might have been very different.
Moreover, do you actually think you're going to mount a one-man assault against a group of armed police/military? Dream on.
Time to pull the semi-automatics from the market - if NOT from the population. PERIOD!
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Those semi-automatics have no place in our society. In the UK, all cartridge ammunition handguns were banned after a horrific school shooting of 16 young elementary students and one teacher in Scotland in 1996. Since then, there has not been one school shooting in the UK.
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"We are the only industrialized country in the world killing each other" Quote by Mayor Bloomberg" I agree, we need to get rid of semi automatic weapons. NO QUESTION!!!
BTW, I was a carrier of a semi automatic weapon and got rid of it several yrs ago. Just felt very negative to me and I didn't want it around me anymore.
I had a permit to carry and had extensive weapons training because of an ex who was stalking me for over a yr.
The case sighted in the UK by dbpei is PROOF that getting rid of these types of guns prevents this kind of carnage.
Gael
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somebody asked me why hunters use semi and full auto. i couldn't believe it. she actually thought anybody who owned a gun and hunted had these. hunters do not use semi or full auto.
my husband hunts. i'm familar with guns, not very good but i do know how to shoot.
but that's the image she has. it's all hunters and nra fault. no, it's not.
i agree to ban semi and full auto. there's no reason a person needs the capability of a military type assault weapon.
but they'll find something else.
in 1927 there was a school official, michigan, i believe, who used dynamine to kill school children. can you believe that? dynamite...
there will always be crazies. we just have to figure out how to identify them and what to do.
and i know hollywood plays a part in all this. i mean, have you seen what's even on tv? killer zombies, gangsters, rednecks looking like idiots toting guns around, and lots of t&a...
and the video games. my looser nephew is in his 40's and he's still playing those sick killer games. he's still in college, never graduated and wants to be a "game designer". ain't gonna happen. and he grew up playing these games.
who's to blame for this killing? mother had a lot to do with it here. rumour is she was a prepper who hoarded food, etc., and had guns. this kid should have never been around guns. she should have them in a safe where he couldn't get them.
mad, i don't have children either, never wanted them. but i feel so sorry for these parents. all these innocent little babies.
my take is, this kid knew he wasn't normal and wanted to punish these children because he knew they were happy,normal and loved. and he wanted to destroy that.
we'll never know.
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Good point dbpei!
Maddog, although I once felt as you do about the right to bear arms, I have to disagree with the whole civil defense premise.
If you have "millions of Americans" rising up against an illicit government power, by sheer numbers that power can be defeated - with slingshots if necessary!
Take a look at Tahrir Square - or the Orange Revolution in Eastern Europe. When most of the population rises up against a corrupt government they do not need semis or even Scuds to prevail. A workers strike can bring profiteers to their knees. Or in the case of our Constitution, an Article V peoples' convention!
Now, I am not advocating the kind of gun control that Australia brought in - where even family heirlooms were confiscated. But we do not need semi-automatic weapons in our streets - so that dozens of people, even little children, can be snuffed with a single clip.
People who HAVE guns, tend to USE guns.
Pass Federal Restrictions on purchase - require background checks and waiting periods in EVERY STATE! Abolish "gun shows" and prosecute those who sell firearms from the trunks of cars.
Then we might restore some sanity, and protect the innocent.
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Just came back from Macys which is located in Center City Philadelphia. There were big trucks/trailers parked right in front of the store. I asked a security person standing there what the trucks were for? He said a movie was being filmed(many movies being made here)
I asked the name of the movie. He said "Paranoia" I mumbled "Just what we need" Hollywood doesn't want to take responsibility for any of the violence in movies in relation to helping unstable people go off. REALLY??? Quentin Tarantino just reinforced that feeling. Unbelievable!
MADDOG,
There will always be unstable mentally ill people.
If they are armed with a semi automatic, you have a much greater chance of being killed. Agree with what AuntyLynn is saying.
Gael
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I have a cousin who is in his 50's, borderline psychotic, believes the mafia has a contract on his life, and believes all his neighbors are mafia out to kill him. Except for rare occasions, never leaves the house, lives alone now, with GUNS. He has Borrelia burgdorferi in his brain.
How do I know this? Cuz he HAD Lyme years ago, was diagnosed and treated for it. Of course he was UNDERtreated. Two years ago he told me he woke up with a rash on his arm in the shape of the letter "C" - he said the mafia gave it to him in the middle of the night. A PCP told him it was RINGWORM. No, it was NOT ringworm, it was the secondary rash of chronic Lyme. I know this because I and thousands of others have had Lyme rashes misdiagnosed as ringworm.
My cousin's situation has been going on for YEARS. I expect things to come to a head any day now. He refuses mental health treatment. Social workers are too afraid to go to the house. The police are finally involved, but they are walking on eggshells, for fear of triggering a shootout.
Like I said, Lyme is RAMPANT here in CT, and it can cause SERIOUS mental illness.
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paulieinct,
I believe that Lyme can and does cause some serious mental illness. My question is,(1) how do we keep guns away from people that are so mentally unstable??? (2) How do we get guns away from these people? This is an accident waiting to happen. I guess the good news is that he never leaves the house.
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