Softballmom
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quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: What about atheists who have gone thru junk and come out of it better?
How much longer does it take them to come out better? If I was an athiest I believe I would still be locked in my bathroom crying and in fear of not seeing another day. Maybe I would have eventually come through on my own but it would have taken much longer. Also every time I hit with a spell that appears to be another stroke I would probably regress instead of praying haveing faith and moving forward.
Also who is to say that they have come out better. We can't see the stuggles that people go through in their own minds. Many who appear to fine on the outside are struggling daily ghosts of the past.
Also not all athiest stay that way. Could God be working in their lives in hopes that someday they will reconize that?
I believe that God wants all to look to him. Even those who denounce him. I can't see him not trying at all.
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The parting of the red sea is (according to some scientists) as being a natural phenom...
Is that the study you're referring to?
Yeah I saw that on ntl geographic or some other such station. Along with the search for the arc. Also the latest of the shroud of Turin...
No I don't know of any atheists either...but I'm sure there must be some somewhere that would debate your hypothesis on speeds of recovery.
Ya know a shrink would say that your placebo is your faith...and they can't figure out some "miraculous" cures either...so who knows for sure. (rhetorical question)... see ya later softball mom............zman
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by lymie tony z: [QB] Hey ther Meg, I hate to burst your bubble but evolution has been taught as a fact since I was going to college back in the late seventies....
Whether it was divinely designed is the latest attempts of christians to adhere scientific fact to supernatural mysteries. ****************************** Dinosaurs, Cro-Magnan man etc.....are they divinely made?--I think so. I don't believe everything the scientific community theorizes.....but the above are not counter to the bible. Guess I'm not making myself clear enough.....so I'll quit for now. Meg
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Human Science is just organized ignorance, don't take it too seriously...
There was no "science" to guide Edison, the Wright Brothers, Ford, Koch, and many others..
Remember,, Kids, you are only in the First Grade. You have to take a lot on faith..... The Bible is a wonderful book, but beyond your understanding at this point in time. Read it over and over and look at the world around you, then understanding will slowly dawn...
God is more wonderful than your wildest dreams...
When you walk in God's Light you will have a good life. If individuals or nations wander into the Darkness, the inhabitants of the Darkness will harm them (through pain we learn)..
Open your heart and let in the Light and all your fears and troubles will fade away.....
"You can go anywhere and anywhen by knowing that you are all ready there" J.L.S. (I like that phrase)
God Bless Tj
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Softballmom
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Z-man,
The study showed that the earth left trace of large group of people and tracked it to the portion of the red sea that appeared to have been parted. Something about the sedement and stuff showed the track. I am not a science person but it sounded convincing.
Meg, I get what you are saying.
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Hi Meg,tj and sbm...I'll attempt to remember all your responses and deal with them in order.
Meg, you are still hung up on calling evolution a theory. I won't attempt to change your mind. I really don't want to shake anyone's faith or beliefs. However please explain to me then how creationism is factually proven. It's more of a theory than actually digging up bones of ancestors. I hope science does find proof of all the stories in the bible. It still does'nt prove how we got here. It just proves a certain group of humans settled on a one God religeon and who he/she is, is still up for debate.
TJ33...man I don't know what you're smoking but I want some of it. Organized Ignorance huh? Why would God in all His wisdom give us the ability if He did'nt want us to use it. Oh I know free will....then those that could, would'nt and we would all still be living in europe...cuz the world is flat. No science was involved with Columbus...he just kept sailing west till he found land or fell off the edge. I commend you on your strong belief in God...however
Softballmom, I saw a program where they did'nt find any artifacts...this was on a christian channel I believe. Which one did you see or read about? I hope they(the "organized" idiots) do find artifacts. But like I said above it does'nt satisfy my original quest. The new M-THEORY for the big bang may yet...but then how did all those membranes that collided from different dimensions get there?...Now that's a theory...all up on the physicists blackboards...zman
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Meg, you are still hung up on calling evolution a theory. I won't attempt to change your mind. I really don't want to shake anyone's faith or beliefs. However please explain to me then how creationism is factually proven. It's more of a theory than actually digging up bones of ancestors. I hope science does find proof of all the stories in the bible. It still does'nt prove how we got here. It just proves a certain group of humans settled on a one God religeon and who he/she is, is still up for debate. *******************************************
My answer to the question is in this thread already Tony.....neither is factually proven, man's way or God's way....it is a matter of faith or who you CHOOSE to believe.
Are you saying that evolution has been proven?
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Zman, I can't remember where I saw it at. I don't think it was not a christian channel because I rarely ever watch TV and don't tune into the Christian channels when I do. Probably Discovery, I watch that channel.
Also for your responce to Meg. If we could factually prove all the stories in the Bible then living on faith would no longer be pertinent.
Our faith teaches us to believe in what we can't see or touch so why would we need artifacts to prove that it is real?
Maybe nothing will never be found just for that reason.
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I guess you were not reading what I posted earlier...several times...
Evolution is being taught as fact in our schools.
I guess the powers that be have decided it's fact enough to teach.
So yeah, I would say it's been proven!
Softball, Even if all the artifacts were found we would still have to rely on faith. God has'nt been found. Except for some who have had visions of one kind or another...no one knows for sure..."we walk by faith, not by sight"...
I only wish humans had more faith in each other or at least as much as they do in their respective deities...........zman
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I don't think it as much people not haveing faith in each other as it is so many tend to dwell on the negative. That makes it harder to have faith in others.
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Yeah softball, Dwelling on the negative is not something I like to do...comming from a very negative environment and having had many negative things happen in my lifetime...
This whole thread was started with a simple request and I would'nt have gone any further but then it kind of took off into a philosophical discussion and one that did'nt include lyme disease and I kind of liked that.
Hope anyone else that participated did also.
Catch you on the flipside...zman
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