Topic: Response to those who think I care only about the animals
Kara Tyson
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I remember now. The Jains. Many of them wear face masks so they wont accidently kill bacteria and such.
**I am not sure it is easy to tell what is appropriate food. What about a rabbit? Many people view rabbits as food. Many people view rabbits as pets.
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Hi Pony, good to hear from you, you've been quiet for a long time. Seems my lyme is near static and my heart continues to improve. I do pretty much what I want so guess I have it made.
Starting my winter planting or at least the plowing, hope to have at least half my fields planted by the end of October. Planting corn for the cranes, peanuts for the feral hogs, Alfa and grazer for the deer. Found a special millet that I'm planting for the quail and then a field of bluebonnets for mama and the neighbors to enjoy next spring!
After 24 years we're leasing our land to deer hunters. Our neighbors all have plowed fields and little if any brush, so they set up deer blinds along our fence rows and lease them out. They have to know that this is very upsetting to us even though it is perfectly legal and a good source of income for them. So now we have deer blinds on our side of our fences, now I guess they will get pissed at us for harvesting our deer that we feed year round!
India has the cow thing and years ago I heard most were infected with TB and I believe it was being passed to humans, it posed a real problem for them at that time.
Eating cats and dogs, well it depends on how you were brought up. What ever your family raised you to do was, ``normal''. Until such time as outside influences got you to thinking that maybe you wanted to look at something in a different light. I have learned to never say never!
We have two Chihuahuas and wonder how we ever got by without little ``champions``. My wife is the alpha male of our pack and as long as she's happy, things seem to run pretty well, if you catch my drift.
I though I had a ringing in my ears but seems the ``alpha'' male is assigning tasks so I'll have to sign off for now. El Ratone
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Linda LD
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My grandfather had dairy cows. His cows knew their names. He would stand at the door of the milk house and call each Momma in to feed her baby--and those cows knew their names and would come when they were called!
He had a dog, Major, that was so smart he could all but bring the cows home from the pasture from across the highway all by himself--but Major couldn't open the gate by himself!
My grandfather would sit out in the shade on August days and cut up Johnson grass into tiny pieces for the calves to eat. He really loved animals. He couldn't stand to send a cow to market even though it is a lot easier to do that than to bury one. One time he left his quail pen open and the quail all flew away--it really hurt his feelings.
There is no doubt that animals bring a lot to our lives.
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Andie333
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Sherry, Your post made me grin. Thanks for what you wrote about the animals.
Kara, most of the Jains are office workers and business people. Being farmers would run counter to their faith, because they would have walk and plow the earth, and in doing so, they'd have to kill a lot of bugs and things living in the earth.
I appreciated the link about the harm being done to animals, but I couldn't watch the clips. Katrina has broken my heart again and again...I'm better with stories like this one:
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Softballmom
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Hey Sherry,
Enjoyed your post. I had two chickens named Maverick and Goose, two geese named Bonnie and Clyde when I was growing up.
Every easter my Dad would bring us colored bities or bunnies. Pastel colors. He built pens for them. Man were those bunnies prolific.
We have a Rabit now named Jumper. He thinks he is a dog though. His pen is not far from the dog kennels. He runs back and forth when you go up to the pen and jumps up on top of his feeder. I swear one day he is gonna bark at me.
And no Kara I will never eat him. That was a better comparason yet still rabits aren't good for much compared to dogs and cats.
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Hey Andie - no problemo - me have lots and lots of goofy animal stories!!! Anytime you need one don't hesitate to ask!!!
BTW - the sheltie snuggling far surpassed Regis and Kelly!! I haven't had the best of weeks lyme wise and basically we slept thru most of daytime TV -
now I don't know if Jason regained his memory or if Jessica aka Tess has been discovered or if Tad has figured out that Dixie is really Di Kirby and knows what he needs to save Julia . . .
You know - I missed seeing all my friends!! LOL
Oh well - I'm off to feed the fur kiddos some crunchy food!! Andrew the goat has been knocking on the back door for about 30 minutes !! And, I'm not even late yet!!!
Have a good weekend. Sherry
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Kara Tyson
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My mother's family farmed (and ate) rabbits for food. They discouraged my mom from naming them, but she still did.
My grandmother grew up on a farm and she could wring the neck of a chicken fast and efficient (or so my mom says).
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Growing up didn't anyone in your family have a pet that they loved and nurtured? Enjoyed the glowing look of admiration a pet can give you?
Or did everyone kill them and eat them as you imply...
Sorry as a firm animal lover I can't at all see where you are coming from..
be well, daniella
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Kara Tyson
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Of course we had pets that we cared for.
But to eat meat, you have to kill. Now there is a humane way of killing and a non humane way.
In my opinion, a person who buys chicken in the grocery store (not knowing the method of the kill) is more inhumane than the person who raises their own food and kills in a humane way.
Believe it or not, the meat in the grocery store was at one time alive. People these days are so far removed from living off the land they dont understand that anymore.
I truly think many people really believe meat comes packaged in plastic, in fish triangles or in patties:
I am always amazed at people who turn away in horror at a lamb on a spit, but these people are more than willing to buy oscar myer weiners in the supermarket.
And there are people who turn away in horror at being served grilled fish with the head on, but those same people think nothing of buying a McFish sandwhich.
Wringing the neck of a chicken may sound horrible, but it is less painful than than some of the more modern ways of processing in a chicken plant.
ANYONE who eats meat has a part in the killing of an animal. Period. It doesnt matter if it is a cow, sheep, cat, or dog.
Are we less responsible for killing an amimal if it is a cow vs. a dog? (on this matter PETA and the Hindu's have it right).
As a meat eater, our role in the killing is no less than the person who kills the animal--(perhaps more) since it is by our desire that this form of business prospers.
My grandmother could wring the neck of a chicken but she grew up in one of the most docile communities that exist in humanity--an Amish/Mennonite community.
But even the Amish must kill for food if they wish to eat meat.
Why is it less offensive to our society if people buy their meat from Burger King?
Why is now living on the land and growing your own food evil, distasteful, mean...but buying the food (and not getting our hands dirty) is perfectly acceptable?
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Softballmom
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I thought we were talking about dogs and cats? I know all about the chicken thing and hog thing.
We had a chicken farm raising 45,000 broiler chickens every eight weeks. I know how they are processed and still eat them. My Husband has a degree in ag science and works at one of the largest pork and turkey producers in the country. They also have a beef division but not large.
I still eat pork beef, and turkey too.
Like I said, some animals were put here for our survival and some for human service. It is not hard to tell the difference.
Also for those that believe in the scripture it states that we should partake of that meat that was created for that purpose. Can't remember the verse or how it was worded but it is in there.
Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man reguardeth the life of his beast but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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Kara Tyson
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I dont think it is that easy to tell. Alot depends on your culture.
I cant condemn someone in Korea for eating a dog, if that is their culture. As long as it is a humane kill (many times it isnt).
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Judgement on the eating of cats and dogs, must be considered in the relative light of the culture, nation, circumstances, and other factors, in and underwhich they are consumed.
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Wow if this isn't a testament to our inability to "stay on task"!! I know for sure it's testing my short term memory or lack there of!
Somehow we moved on from why was someone questioning tickedntx for trying to figure out how to rescue the abandoned pets in NO,
to wondering how NO evacuees were expected to leave their pets in the midst of the storm to,
to trying to determine if it was ok to rescue a pet instead of a dead person to,
which animals it is okay to leave
to which animals it's okay to eat and now to
which ways is it ok to kill the animal you are gonna eat.
Hmmmmm - maybe we should save this thread for our SSDI application ! Some kind of grisly proof of something.
Y'all - lets move on to praying the new hurricane Reta doesn't bash La, AL or Ms again or do the same thing to me in Texas!!
Actually, I'm prolly gonna be high and dry where I am - depending on the hit!
But, Charlie - you better git out if they tell ya too my man and Labrat you too!
U can BRING u animals and stay w/ me and hope no tree falls on you or that a tornado stays away!!
I got some water, some vienna sausage, some tuna fish some dog food, some horse food, some pony food, some goat food, some chicken food, some cat food and some BEER (bad for the lyme tho)!
Surely between all that food - the pets will survive the BBQ - LOL
Take care everyone and keep up the good work!
Off to town to pick up the wretched teenager from yet one more FFA activity! I really think y'all should email me some recipes for that one!!
Sherry
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Softballmom
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Sherry,
I don't think you should be asking for recipes on this thread!
No telling what you might get.
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Found these posted at the Petfinder disaster forums:
The poor dog, in life the firmest friend, The first to welcome, foremost to defend, Whose honest heart is still the master's own, Who labours, fights, lives, breathes for him alone, Unhonour'd falls, unnoticed all his worth, Denied in heaven the soul he held on earth, While man, vain insect, hopes to be forgiven, And claims himself a sole exclusive heaven.
Lord Byron Inscription on the monument of his Newfoundland dog, Boatswain, 1808
BAGGAGE
Now that I'm home, bathed, settled and fed, All nicely tucked in my warm new bed. I'd like to open my baggage
Lest I forget, There is so much to carry - So much to regret.
Hmm . . . Yes there it is, right on the top Let's unpack Loneliness, Heartache and Loss, And there by my leash hides Fear and Shame.
As I look on these things I tried so hard to leave - I still have to unpack my baggage called Pain. I loved them, the others, the ones who left me,
But I wasn't good enough - for they didn't want me. Will you add to my baggage?
Will you help me unpack? Or will you just look at my things - And take me right back?
Do you have the time to help me unpack? To put away my baggage, To never repack?
I pray that you do - I'm so tired you see, But I do come with baggage - Will you still want me?
-Author Unknown *****
If Not For You
I would've died that day if not for you. I would've given up on life if not for your kind eyes. I would've used my teeth in fear if not for your gentle hands. I would have left this life believing that all humans don't care Believing there is no such thing as fur that isn't matted, skin that isn't flea bitten, good food and enough of it, beds to sleep on, someone to love me, to show me I deserve love just because I exist. Your kind eyes, your loving smile, your gentle hands Your big heart saved me... You saved me from the terror of the pound, Soothing away the memories of my old life. You have taught me what it means to be loved. I have seen you do the same for other dogs like me. I have heard you ask yourself in times of despair Why you do it When there is no more money, no more room, no more homes You open your heart a little bigger, stretch the money a little tighter Make just a little more room...to save one more like me. I tell you with the gratitude and love that shines in my eyes In the best way I know how Reminding you why you go on trying. I am the reason The dogs before me are the reason As are the ones who come after. Our lives would've been wasted, our love never given We would die if not for you.
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Judge not.
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rosesisland2000
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...from The Bible
St. Matthew 10:29, 31
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall now fall on the ground without your Father.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of move value than many sparrows.
lymie tony z
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A Speciest(form of the word species)
In Biology, a category of classification for living organisms. This group is just below genus and is usually capable of interbreeding.
hmmmm.........zman
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