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Common Spirochete Diseases
Lyme disease is a tick-borne disease caused by several members of the Borrelia burgdorferi complex. B. burgdorferi, B. garinii, and B. afzelii account for most cases worldwide.
The syphilis agent Treponema pallidum is most commonly acquired by sexual contact.
Leptospira lives in the kidneys of rodents and other reservoir hosts and is shed via urine into the environment. Humans acquire the spirochete by contact of abraded skin or mucous membranes with infectious urine or contaminated water or soil. Leptospirosis patients may initially experience flu-like symptoms. Jaundice and impaired kidney function occur in the potentially deadly form of leptospirosis called Weil's disease.
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IMO if you look at the timeline DDT was banned in 1972 and Lyme was first identified in 1978.
DDT has its downside but one can't argue it took care of a lot of the bugs (of course deer as well).
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I know this has been said many times before, but I hadnt seen it in this thread. Anyone ever look into how much profit is to be made by the big pharmacutical companies, to have all of us sick ?
My neighbor just got a LD diagnoses after at least 10 years of ailments, 10 years that he has been steadily on various anti deppresants and anti anxiety drugs.
Drugs that cure problems seem to me a lot less lucrative than drugs that prolong them, and with our politicians being in such close cahoots with these big corparations.........well think about it.
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Gryphon, that was a good point.
An even bigger example is how the FDA, the ACS, Big Pharma, etc, shut down any possible cures for cancer ASAP. Someone already posted a link to "The Burzynski Movie" above, and I think that explains it very clearly.
But there are many other examples besides Burzynski's antineoplaston solution, where the FDA didn't allow people to get cured of cancer.
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It's really important to keep an open mind. I come from a family of know-it-alls (just a sign of arrogance and a closed mind--the two go hand in hand).
If you can't see, listen, or are even willing to do research to dispute someone's point of view, you're close minded and arrogant (gee, this sounds like what's going on with our government right now). That will get you no where in life (been there, done that). Open, open, open.
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There is not doubt there is corruption involving conspiracies because so many of them have been revealed. They were putting radiation into the cereal of retarded children back in the 50's. They infected black men with venereal disease.
We are still asking ourselves how in the world we got into the Iraq war. What about the election results that got Bush into office in the first place.
I was shocked to learn mortgages were sold and resold until they were combined in investment portfolios, many purchased by people for retirement. They were falsely rated as AAA investments when in actuality the companies selling them knew they were worthless.
The companies selling them actually took out insurance against them to fail, so they could make even more money. The banks offering the original mortgage had nothing to lose, as they were packaged and resold, so they pushed for higher and higher appraisals with no regard for people's ability to pay the money back.
Look at what is happening in Congress this week end. Don't raise taxes on the rich. Break the poor instead.
Let's not be naive. There has always been evil but it has never had the power it does today. The question could be rephrased to ask if it is possible for anyone to be so insane or evil to intentionally cause a world pandemic. Of course.
Level Four labs are supposedly all about protecting us from this possibility. If our government believes someone in the world is capable of doing this, why wouldn't that someone be right here in this country - maybe even employed in one of those labs.
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Yes. Lyme is prion protein disease. It has at least 3 of its proteins that behave in prion like fashion that are able to fold/meld with other antigens and make them look like our own.
MadCow/AIDS was a myth of epic proportions to protect profits.
Not unlike what we have seen exhibited in our history over the centuries. Crimes against humanity abound in the books.
They are all nothing more than turned off TLR's that let all manner of infections in.
In fact we most likely all have it, sans the ones who never got a vaccine in their lifetimes. Those may be mans saving grace if they would get off their tails.
The tipping point becomes when we are bitten with a tick carrying the stealth pathogens that also contain as many as 120 co infections as exhibited in the recent boo tick experiments, they do not all infect tissues blood, they transfer thru the neurons like jet airplanes loading and unloading.
And until we can hit all of them, we cannot get well...
But it can be done...
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BREAKING NEWS: Former Editor-in-Chief of New England Medical Journal exposes culture of fraud & fabrication behind Vaccine/Drug Clinical Trial results; including routine redacting of negative data & the use of multiple Study �shell game� type fixing
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Hi Pinelady:
We already know not to believe any results from Alan Steere's Lab .
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It's ironic how a German doctor in the western US is trying to cure people of a disease created by German scientists.
It gets interesting around paragraphs 13 and 14.
And to think, I used to fish the waters around Plum Island as a child in the 70s. Could I have become infected then, perhaps by a mosquito?
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Thanks for posting that link Chaps. Only the dumbest of sheep continue to believe that Plum Island and the United States military biowarfare program were not involved in germ research (including Bb) using ticks as carriers.
Combine that with how much the government is doing to cover up and lie about this epidemic, and IMO the only 'conspiracy nuts' are those who believe that all the government was doing on Plum Island was milking some cows and raising chickens.
There is also only one reason to shred files concerning Plum Island and for files labeled 'tick research' and 'Erich Traub' to be empty. To keep the ugly truth from coming out.
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This thread does not help our community. Lyme and it's co's are not "man made." It may be that man manipulated and even spread Bb on Plum Island but man does not have the sophistication to engineer such a bacteria from scratch. And that is what "man made" means in the English language. If you believe in science, if you read scientific journals on a regular basis, you would not say such things. Tic bites and rashes are present in European literature in the 1800's. HIV may have been inadvertantly transmitted to humans from other mammalian hosts, but it is not "Man made!" And presuming that the government is to blame for all of our health problems is juvenile. Money has been the primary reason we are sick. Manipujlation of the gov. by monied interests has decreased our overall health. Think corn subsidies, vaccines....etc. But Government is not comprised of only evil people. We have to take charge of the problem ourselves. INSURANCE COMPANYS' AND DRUG COMPANIES ARE THE ENEMY, NOT GOVERNMENT! If you want to advance the health of this community please let science be your guiding light, not hystaria. Lyme has been around way longer than our gov. and we the people are partly to blame because we killed all of the predators, and the deer, mice and tics of the eastern forests are out of balance. So are our immune systems. Someone kill this thread!
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Hammond, there is nothing wrong with this thread. As for using science instead of hysteria, as you put it, I have a Masters degree in Physics from one of the top Universities in this country. I am highly educated sir/ma'am.
Nobody is saying that Bb, Aids , or anything else has been created out of thin air. If you think that the title is misleading or cannot reasonably understand that what is being talked about is government biowarfare research into weaponizing and spreading germs, then that is your problem.
And nobody is saying that the government is responsible for all of our health problems. But it is a fact that there is a mountain of incriminating evidence implicating our government in research concerning both of these issues (Bb and Aids) that coincides with the timelines of both. Here is an article that talks about issues concerning the origin of Aids.
If you feel like it, please explain how, if Aids came from a monkey in Africa, there was a large outbreak among gay men in Manhattan who had received free government vaccinations before the first case was ever seen in Africa. Whatever the origin is, the monkey (or any other primate) out of Africa theory is laughable.
As someone who has had his life completely destroyed by Lyme, I will talk about any damn thing I want. If you want to keep your head buried in the sand and believe that our government really cares about you, so be it.
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The insurance and drug companies, IDSA, CDC and NIH, and government are never going to just someday say "gee, we have been wrong and you guys have been right. We are going to do everything we can now to help you." The only thing that is going to help our cause is a miracle or highly effective cure (doubtful, IMO), or exposing the truth behind this illness and why the government and its agencies are covering it up at every turn.
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No lyme in Florida. If HIV does not come from thin air (man made) or from the natural world (other mammalian resorviors being the most likely point of origin, I did not say anything about monkeys!) than how did it get hear? Seriously, what do you think is the origin of HIV and why has it spread through humans?
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Hammond, we're not saying that Lyme and co's were made from scratch, since they've been around a long time -
rather more like they may have been altered, mixed with other organisms, like possibly mycoplasma and brucellosis - there are patents for that.
Beyond that, we don't know what all happened at Plum Island, other than the book "Lab 257" saying tick research occurred there.
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Hammond, this is what I think is most likely based on all of the evidence.
Significant and extensive research was conducted on animal viruses in government laboratories during the 60's and 70's (and even before that in some instances). Some of this research was highly classified, and included tranferring these viruses between animals and recombining some of them in an attempt to create 'new' novel viruses. Congressional testimony and declassified and other documents clearly show this to be true.
Many of the documents indicate that the research was centered around cancer causing or immunosuppressive viruses.
The first outbreaks of AIDS occurred almost exclusively in gay men in New York City during and immediately after the free government vaccine program for gay men in the late 70's and early 80's. The first cases were reported here before any single case in Africa was confirmed. I find it to be almost impossible to believe that if the HIV virus jumped from animals to humans in Africa, or anywhere else, that the epidemic would not have exploded in that location first.
In other countries, outbreaks in many instances followed mass vaccination programs by the WHO. In 1987, the London Times ran a front page cover story titled "Smallpox vaccine triggered Aids virus". The theory may or may not be true, but it is certainly not out of thin air.
Previous to all of this, many researchers had warned that experimentation with animal viruses, coupled with using primates for vaccine development, had the potential for causing significant health issues.
If you read the article I linked above, what I have said and much more is discussed.
To answer your question directly, I do not and have never believed that HIV was manmade, although it is possible that it is a novel recombinant virus from laboratory testing. I also do not believe that the virus transferred naturally from any animal source to the human population. I believe that it is most likely that contaminated vaccines (accidental or intentional) were responsible for the epidemic. The spead through humans occurred after large numbers were infected with these contaminated vaccines.
It is impossible to list all of the relevant information, both for and against this theory. However, based on much reading and research, I believe that what I have said is the most likely explanation.
I enjoy rational discussion and hate ****ing contests, so i apologize if I previously sounded abrasive and rude. You are certainly entitled to your own views and I respect your opinions.
Thirty years ago, there was no bovine TB and the local badger population was modest on his farm. Now he sees badgers in daylight and has been barred from selling cattle in six of the past 10 years because of TB
What else started swapping genes 30 yrs. ago...
I have no doubts they did this in their arrogance and greed to not consider the what if's and consequences of using genetically altered organisms in vaccine.
Then when Lyme/MadCow/AIDS appeared within 4 yrs. of each other---they did nothing but lie and hide it...As exhibited to day to continue to give the public altered genetics while taking away their tests that will now also be transmitted in stealth from vectors of disease like our ticks.
IMO they owe us a huge debt to society to fix this mess they created and NOW by stopping the antigens delivery/getting rid of the vectors that carry them to us who now freely swap our genes/and treat all those who can be treated.
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No doubt that they injected ticks on plum island for bio warfare. If you doubt, read & learn!
The cover up seems to be the fact that the ticks along with other animals used for bio warefare experiments were not contained properly. Hence, the sudden outbreak in Lyme CT. - very close to the Island where they were experimenting. It makes sense that they would need to cover up the mess they made due to $$$$$. Especially, now that recent research has proven how damn expensive it is to really treat Lyme and what ever other God forsaken germs they put into those ticks at the Lab on Plum Island.
This is not any kind of conspiracy theory at all. Just takes one to do a lot of research to see.
And who is most interested? The ones that are too sick to do such research - or the darn health system keeps us so busy just trying to sort out tests and seeing every kind of specialist out there that there is no time for anything else.
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Yes, and as long as they continue to let them get away with it they will continue to destroy our lives,
by genetically altering mosquitoes with Dengue as exhibited in Brazil with thousands infected downstream in Peru with never before seen strains of D.
to AU letting them get away with genetically altering Malaria and now wondering where the heck a new deadly ecoli came from in Germany...
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a side note... my SIL's great nephew (8yrs old) is being treated at Burzynski's clinic. I hope it works! He's had brain cancer off and on for 6 yrs.
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Lymetoo - please keep us posted on his condition! I've been intrigued by Burzynski ever since I saw that documentary.
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He's such a dear child. His brain surgery 6 yrs ago left him with paralysis of his face. He later had surgery to try to fix his face to some extent.
He now has tumors (small, thank goodness!) on his spine along with the brain tumor being back.
I do so hope the treatment works. His name is Gage if you'd like to pray for him!
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Bless his heart. Praying for him...I do believe if you don't get your sticker for a stupid syndrome=you get cancers from all the genetic messes they got us in...
There is just too much proof out there now pouring in the medjournals.
The jokers know---When in fact it is missing all they are really sick with and fail once again to protect the public.
Folks if they can't come clean and tell you the vaccines carry EBV they will not come clean and tell you everything else they are packing.
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No lyme in Florida- Alas we agree that HIV most likely came from a mammalian resorvior and may have been spread by a vaccine program. The Influenza virus (animal human infection) and the polio vaccine history are good examples for these contingensies. What I don't think is likely is that HIV was spread intentionally. This intentional vs. inadvertent debate is what I don't like about this thread. I do not doubt that the US Army experimented with tics, injected them with Bb and any number of co infections. Anthropods have been mixing and matching pathogens in their guts for millions of years already! I do not doubt that HIV could have been introduced to humans and even manipulated and "enhanced" by scientists. What I doubt is that a large group of people in our government would get together to make a deadly infection and intentionally unleash it on the population in order to make a profit or manipulate the population. This type of conspiracy theory presumes government can never help us and we are powerless. I think that government may in the end be our only salvation. If we want to raise money, research possible cures and educate the public we need credibility, and claiming that Lyme and HIV were intentionally unleashed on our society is VERY hard to prove. Harder to prove than the theory about vaccines spreading HIV! Why go there? Who benefits? I apologize for bad spelling. Thanks for posting interesting info!
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Hammond, there has been many topics covered back and forth here. Sometimes it has been hard to follow.
I understand you are having a hard time believing our government was directly, OR indirectly responsible for "unleashing" anything on the population.
Lets make this clearer for you... first you need to know that our government is not running the country. If you want proof research and start with Bilderberg and Trilateral Commission.
Next know that their is a plan that has been in place for probably centuries.
They feel there are too many people to manage and rule. Plus we are using up too many resources. I know, I know you are thinking this is crazy. I promise you, if you do your research you will find the same.
So the plan is not money. The plan is power and to rule the world. They really don't need money they already own and manage the Federal Reserve.
If you think the Federal Reserve is a government entity you could start there its privately owned and made 83billion last year. The Onion will continue to peel layer upon layer and you will see the big picture.
In Summary, its not about money they already make and manage it all. It is about an agenda of a one world government run by them. In order to be able to achieve this, they can't manage the 2 billion people now.
They have started the soft kill process by attacking our immune systems and reproductive systems with chemicals in our food supply, crazy hybrid infections transferred through everything and anything.
Lets be honest we have never seen so many sick people, and to think technology and science is supposed to make the quality of life better? Everyone we know these days has someone with Lyme, Autoimmune, MS, etc. coincidence?
Please have an open mind and before you reply at least read or watch one of the links posted.
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Fuel, I believe what you are saying and this is all so sad - our wonderful lives, animals' lives, the health of the planet being constantly attacked -
In their attempt to take over everything, the big moneyed powers may lose the planet and their own health. Such a tragic ending to Experiment Earth and so unnecessary. I hope we can salvage something out of this mess. We all deserve better.
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I draw my picture like this---LYME/MADCOW/AIDS all appeared depopulating the species of man within 4 yrs. of each other.
Now the evidence says they are all caused by the same thing. Viral/Fungal synergy. Or what some call gene swapping caused by turned off immune systems.
You won't find most of this research coming from the US. The US just now got funding for the supermicroscopes that many(I believe there are 6 so far) are already using to prove this theory and working on the cures...
And the US is not one of them....It was probably like the new Syphilis test we don't need either...
While we are still stuck with stupid....
They can actually see them transverse the neurons.
These results suggest that the propagation of PrP(Sc) molecules may not depend on a single stereotypic mechanism, but that normal PrP(C)/PrP(Sc) interaction through polybasic domains may be required to generate prion infectivity. IN OTHER WORDS. we all have it-it is not triggered until the cytokines do not recognize the infections. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21779169 2011 Jul
When they genetically altered ecoli and mycoplasma for use in vaccine is when it went terribly wrong...It turns off the TLR's and as a result you have no cytokine memory that can effectively fight. No fight, no antibodies, yur stupid sticker.. This is mother nature biting their tails off...
And they played the shell game to play along so everyone was happy until Autism is now out the roof at one every 3mins. Alz. and MS every 10mins. all the others?
Who knows--they never bothered to ask till now...There is now a neuro pt. count proposed, but I don't think it is done yet...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14234575 WHO urges ban on TB blood tests Blood tests designed to detect active tuberculosis are inaccurate and should be banned according to the World Health Organization.
My thinking is Russia don't like buying crap.
Now they feign ignorance to keep out of jail for lies and failures to conduct long term treatment trials and publish the truth--LYME is the same dang thing as Madcow and AIDS. The only difference is the bugs you are infected with.
In fact this is why aids pts. are mostly living today. They are afforded treatment for everything that is infecting them and we are made to suffer unquestioningly because they said a stupid sticker of a syndrome was a disease of unknown origin...
The crimes just keep mounting but none can compare to the gross disreguard for the what if's to the 200 new antigens they have in the wings and those given every day in the name of protection that we must now know if they too are folding in the proteins... Nor the disreguard for lack of studies done of virus' being transmitted with the bacteria we now fight..They have no idea what all is in a tick or mosquitoe.
IMO they need their crowns rung and their rugs pulled...They are not Genies that can fix this kind of majik.
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I think it's going to take some senators in our country who have children and/or grandchildren that actually get lyme to change things. Once it happens to someone close to them, then they will see what we all have to endure with this awful disease & co infections. It's only a matter of time.
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Geez.. I need a break from this board I think.
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Hammond, thanks for your reply. I appreciate and respect what you said.
I made some of my previous posts when I was in a pretty foul mood because of what this illness has done to my life.
When it comes to HIV, as I said, I find the 'official story' to be nearly impossible to believe. I believe that it is very likely that contaminated vaccines introduced HIV into the human population. I was wrong to say that I am convinced that it was done on purpose, though. But based on many things that have been revealed that our government has participated in and done over the last 60 or so years, I think that it is at least plausible. Many very well educated and reasonable people around the world also feel the same way.
As for lyme, I find the evidence compelling to support the theory that Plum Island germ and tick research was responsible for the epidemic we see. I acknowledge that rash causing spirochete illness has been around much longer than Plum Island, as you previously said. However, the extent of the direct and circumstantial evidence for the P.I. theory, combined with how much the governemnt is doing to lie and cover up about this illness, makes me believe that something more than just 'money interests' are at work. I do not believe it to be at all likely that it was done on purpose. If it was intentional, I doubt that they would have started the epidemic almost outside the front door of their lab.
I agree with you that not everyone in government is evil (although I think the good ones are pretty rare). But I think that government power extends far beyond our Congress and Executive branch to some very rich and powerful individuals and groups that the public knows almost nothing about. I would have probably laughed at some of the things I have said when I left college 25 years ago, but looking at things that have gone on in our govt and around the world has changed my mind about some things.
Thanks again for your thoughts. I have enjoyed this conversation and apologize again for my earlier rudeness. It is not my style at all. No matter what, if you are on this board then I assume that you are having to deal with this illness, so my only real wish is for you to be able to get well.
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Recognition is the first step to progress.
I know I am just an ignorant "sheep", but I know you can't help it.
How many of these personality traits can be found in this thread?
quote: 1. Lack of critical ability. This is the tendency to make logical leaps that don�t necessarily follow on from each other.
2. Seeing non-existent linguistic connections. This is particularly common amongst pseudo-archaeologists. It was also popular amongst British Israelists in the nineteenth century, who saw Hebrew cognates to English words, and translated, for example, the word �Saxon� as a derivative of �Isaac�s son�. This is very commonplace, and has as a distinguishing characteristic the blatant disregard for the science of linguistics.
3. Contempt for professionals of any kind. Mainline professionals, be they archaeologists, historians, or even economists and doctors, are seen as colluding with �the enemy�, and are therefore not to be trusted. The criterion for disqualification on these grounds is the presence of the professional concerned within the mainstream. This logically suspect hypothesis leads to the conclusion that only those who operate on the fringes of their area of �expertise� are actually to be trusted. As a consequence, alternative history writers all tend to reference each other, and ignore mainstream authors.
4. Moral and intellectual superiority. Access to �hidden truths� has long been the aspiration of the self-important. Dating right back to the Greek �mystery cults� and beyond, those who know �the truth� have considered themselves on a higher plane of existence to us mere mortals, and therefore their contempt for all alternative opinions is evident. One who is not of the inner circle exists therefore to be educated and not to be debated with as an equal.
5. Disregard for Occam�s Razor. This refers to the aversion to simple explanations, and the tendency to seek out the most implausible. Because of the conspiracy theorist�s belief in secrecy, the information that is actually available to the public must by definition be unreliable (because of the conspiracy!), and so it is for the select few �in the know� to hold fast to the real truth.
6. Insistence on causality, or linear development. In archaeology this is known as �diffusionism�, and is an outdated school of thought (except amongst conspiracy theorists) whereby, for example, if there are pyramids in Egypt and there are pyramids in Central America, then they must have been built by the same people. So therefore, Egyptians (or Atlanteans) must have built boats and sailed to America and taught the people how to build them. Simultaneous development, in contrast, is now an accepted school of thought. Except amongst conspiracy theorists.
These points merely illustrate that it is not facts or information that define the conspiracy. The conspirators can be the CIA, Al Qaeda, aliens, shape-shifting lizards or just the plain old �devil�, but that is not the point. Sure, whenever two or more people get together and make a plan, that is a conspiracy. And, they may do so in secret. But the conspiracy theorist not only knows about this conspiracy, he or she knows the content of the conspiracy � but gives no evidence as to how he or she knows this. It is completely immune to normal frames of reference, and as such defies proof.
After you finish reading that, please explain to us how the residents of Love Canal were involved in a paranoid-type conspiracy theory which was completely irrational. Please explain to us how they should have trusted their authorities, and shouldn't have drawn such illogical conclusions about their illnesses.
Next you can study the Tuskegee Experiment. Please explain to us how the African-Americans, who were being purposefully injected with Syphillis by the authorities, should never have questioned the authorities, and should always have trusted that the government would only do good to them. Please explain to us how the African-Americans should never have lost their trust for the government, and shouldn't have ever believed in the crazy "conspiracy theory" that the government would purposefully make them sick.
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There are many other examples as well. I just remembered another example involving "Erin Brokovich" (sp?). The authorities were putting toxic chromium into the residents' drinking water, and were telling the residents that it was healthy for them.
Whenever the residents tried to associate their illnesses with the drinking water, the authorities told them that they were crazy and that they were involved in an illogical conspiracy theory.
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See #1. and #6.
No one is denying love canal or Tuskegee. But because they existed, now means that Lyme is also a conspiracy?
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My poor, ignorant friend. I wouldn't even know where to start educating you.
Can someone please teach this man a few things about Lyme disease? He's obviously missing the basics.
Why, again, are you on this forum? If you didn't believe there was a problem with Lyme disease treatment and diagnosis, you should just go to your regular PCP and he can give you 10 days of antibiotics. Good luck with that.
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I listened to the whole Jesse Ventura show on Special Societies. I told my wife about the Bilderbergs and she looked at me like I was a circus freak and said to stop reading crap like this and believing it.
I was told if it existed the news would be reporting it.
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Google Holmesburg Prison Experiments and google Dr Albert Kligman. During the 1960s the University of Pennsylvania was experimenting on prisoners using pharmaceuticals and also engaging in biological warfare.
If we are to survive on this planet, it's very important not to be so nieve. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
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Also to add, google LSD experiments of the 1960s and see what the CIA was doing to people.
Gael
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Seek - Please don't put your faith in mainstream media. Below is a famous quote from mr. rockefeller.
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto determination practiced in past centuries"--David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting in June of 1991
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wow just wow. @bluemoon. no one is saying you have to believe anything but seriously do some research.
if we all took the CDC's word, we would all be cured. last i checked they were a pretty reputable organization but i have trouble believing anything they have to say now.
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Fuel is correct. Good to see others that are "awake" to all this.
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When you can't go to a regular doctor for treatment; when you practically have to go underground to get the appropriate treatment, something is wrong!
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Agree SG
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quote:Originally posted by sutherngrl: When you can't go to a regular doctor for treatment; when you practically have to go underground to get the appropriate treatment, something is wrong!
This should be a clue... treatment and testing!
I couldn't get tested.
I know many people who have gone to PCPs begging for a lyme test and the PCPs won't order the test!
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I will read all of these posts later tonight...I do believe lyme is some kind of biowarfare, but was it another country against us, or our government against us? and, why? I do think it's biowarfare... it being our own government on purpose doesn't make sense because it costs tons of $$ to treat...
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I read that 6 countries did tick experiments, starting with the Japanese in 1909. Other countries included Russia - on some island in the Baltic Sea;
Germany, including Eric Traub releasing infected ticks in the Black Forest area; the US perhaps on Plum Island after WWII;
I think the other countries were Britain and France - not sure, just trying to remember what I read somewhere. Anyone know?
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