Topic: Is low fat diet the answer? Dr. F thinks so.
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Also - most MDs aren't well versed in nutrition. It's a really small part of their training. Just a thought...
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Boy...you can say that again. They have so much to learn in really a short time.
I remember reading years ago about a MD - woman - who was dx'd with cancer and she decided to get out in the sun, exercise, eat healthy - very, think positive, pray, and NOT go the chemo. route...and she recovered.
P.S. VERY good thought about the omega 6's...yea our diet is way too skewed (sp?) to those. Good insight!
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Get this...
"And it is just a unique organism. It�s a slime forming complex protozoan, trying to become a helminth [parasitic worm], trying to become a worm. And that may suggest why it is really resistant to a variety of different medications."
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I'd say time for some serious anti-parasite protocols.
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sparkle, I agree with you about researching chinese / indian herbs for parasites . What is amazing is how many there are . You are right , they have dealt with paraites forever and we have dismissed them as a possibility of causing chronic illness . I do not know much at all, but I would not be surprised if autoimmune diseases prove to be raging , untreated infections, bacteria or parasitical or fungal.
It is hard to believe that the immune system just wakes up one day and decides to destroy the tissue and organs in the body it encompasses .
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For some reason, parasites get such odd responses from doctors & people in general. I don't know why they have been overlooked for so long.
People think I'm psychotic if I tell them I have parasites. What's up with that?
I'm doing an anti-parasite protocol now. It's making me ill but in some ways I'm also feeling better. I guess it never ends...
I ordered some A-P from Rain-tree. It has some interesting ingredients. I'm waiting for that to arrive.
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Sparkle, Have you tried the cowden protocol for parasites and lyme? I swear its a big part of what got me well. I've heard many with good results using his products. Natural stuff too. :-)
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I think he is working along the right lines. Bill Clinton is on this diet and he looks great on it. I have been on this 10 per cent fat vegan diet for the last 3 years and it hasnt done much for me personally so I am just started a blood th...inning version of this diet where I also eat a lot of foods high in Vit C. E.g I eat a lot of lemons and lemon juice! For the first time I seem to be experiencing what he mentions, getting a herx from your diet. Of course this may just be a coincidence!!! Time will tell! I have always thought diet is key, we have to keep looking!
The diet is not that difficult!!! If B Clinton can do it????
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I'm for this ;-)
After all, Pepsi, potato chips and M&M�s is technically a vegetarian diet.
(Me...obviously they are talking about Pepsi Throwback.)
Regarding the balance between the fatty acids...omega 3 and omega 6 (our typical American diet is way to skewed towards omega 6s):
n−6 fatty acids (popularly referred to as ω−6 fatty acids or omega-6 fatty acids) are a family of unsaturated fatty acids that have in common a final carbon�carbon double bond in the n−6 position, that is, the sixth bond, counting from
***the methyl end.***
The biological effects of the n−6 fatty acids are largely mediated by their conversion to n-6 eicosanoids that bind to diverse receptors found in every tissue of the body.
The conversion of tissue arachidonic acid (20:4n-6) to n-6 prostaglandin and n-6 leukotriene hormones
provides many targets for pharmaceutical drug development and treatment to
diminish excessive n-6 actions
in atherosclerosis, asthma, arthritis, vascular disease, thrombosis, immune-inflammatory processes, and tumor proliferation.
Bb needs glucose (for sure)but in a jam, WE can substitute fat burning -> ketones to make ATP.
A very specific ketone called BHB (made in our liver - if healthy) can cross the blood brain barrier and enter the cells' citric acid cycle -> more ATP...our "energy" carrier.
Here are two situations where raising ketones (a a result of fat burning) might not be a good idea:
The reducing diet causing ketosis never rises to levels that might be dangerous except in the following conditions:
severe, uncontrolled diabetes;
third trimester pregnancy,
alcholism (the problem in the alcoholic is complicated and not fully understood).
In alcoholism, ketosis is readily reversed with glucose or insulin.
In any case, as I caution repeatedly, those who have serious medical disorders,
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Yes, I tried the Cowden herbs - for about 6-9 months. I don't think I really have/had Lyme after going through alot of thinking about it. I think I have a parasite problem. The herbs that are anti-parasite effected me the most like Quinine, Enula & Cumanda. Not a cure for me, though.
I suppose it's good to give the low fat diet a try. I was a vegetarian & substituted soy for most of the protein. Later, I read that soy can leach mgnesium out of the body & it has excessive estrogens. I don't think it's that healthy to eat alot of soy products... Back then, soy was the big savior to vegetarians who wanted to avoid meat.
Some of these diets may be fads or not based on extended research. I would advise to be cautious when experimenting with diet. The body is pretty adaptable but you don't want to starve yourself for specific nutrients & wind up in a wosre place.
It's not easy to tell if you are subclinically missing out on an important nutrient.
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This diet is not so restrictive of fats that anyone needs to worry it is unhealthy or dangerous. You are primarily eliminating omega 6 fatty acids which are inflammatory. All the animal fats and most vegetable oils (except flax) are primarily omega 6. To follow this diet you are not using typical salad dressings, mayonnaise, butter or margarine on vegetables or saut�ing in fat.
There are a lot of protein rich foods that have little or no fat such as rice and beans. You can make many different kinds of soup without adding fat - chili, vegetable, curry etc. You can also make loaves with beans and rice and onion etc that have no fat.
Although wheat has arginine, bread has very little fat. You can even make deserts, like brownies using black beans instead of fat. I use some egg whites which have no fat. Here is a recipe;
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Nefferdun said:
quote: All the animal fats and most vegetable oils (except flax) are primarily omega 6.
You may have just miss typed that statement but just to clarify, animal fats are not primarily Omega 6's. Actually, the Omega 6 content of beef, lamb, many types of fish/seafood and wild game are actually very low in Omega 6's. Though, some animal fats such as those that come from pork and chicken can be quite high in Omega 6's but all animal fat is not high in Omega 6's.
On the link down bellow there is a chart that lists the Omega 6 content of many types of food and as you can see, many types animal derived fats/foods are actually very low in Omega 6 fatty acids.
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I spoke with my acupuncturist on this topic. She really felt this diet was far below the level of fat we need in the diet. I guess we can classify fats as inflamatory and antiinflamatory if we want to, but is off the topic a little that every cell in our body needs to have fat in it.
The brain and nerves especially need more fat, and their function is particularly important, if I can say that without denigrating the importance of all the other body parts.
Now, she also said, most people have some fat stores, and those who are substantially overweight have lots of this, and the body can take from those fat stores as needed. For those like myself who most people would characterize as very skinny, I still have fat stores but not very much, and I would/will get to a state soon enough where my body would be relying on my diet to serve my fat needs.
After this conversation, I remembered something I read somewhere advising people against eating late at night, even carbs, because the body would digest it and store it as fat. Of course, if that's true, perhaps there are ways like that where one could get fat without eating it. I'm a little skeptical on that statement, its source was not one I remember trusting, but I'll look more into that thought over time.
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All I can say is, I have not felt this good in a LONG TIME. Does anyone want to argue this diet is actually making me worse and I just don't know it? My brain functions much better. I think more clearly. I remember better.
I have more energy, I am more motivated to do things, I am planning my life again. My pain is gone. I do not have nerve problems - no twitching, no headaches, no burning.
I look better. I feel better. I can work long hours and not feel exhausted. I can run up the stairs instead of dragging myself up them, gasping for breath at the top. I am riding my horse almost every day as well as mucking the barn again, grooming everyone and mowing acres of grass.
I just finished a two hour trail ride and I have the afternoon planned with more things to get done. Check back on my posts from three months ago and you will see how much progress I have made.
So if you have not tried this diet, stop knocking it. Just stay sick and tell yourself you need fat for your already demented mind and twitching, exhausted body.
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Nefferdun - do you think it could be the ivermectin rather than the diet? I recall that you said you were taking stromectol which is ivermectin.
I felt almost normal for a couple of months when I was taking anti-parasitic herbs. I should have kept up with them but I stopped since I thought I was "better".
After a year of wracking my brain - I realized that the parasites came back & that's why my health declined again.
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quote:Originally posted by nefferdun: All I can say is, I have not felt this good in a LONG TIME. Does anyone want to argue this diet is actually making me worse and I just don't know it? My brain functions much better. I think more clearly. I remember better.
I have more energy, I am more motivated to do things, I am planning my life again. My pain is gone. I do not have nerve problems - no twitching, no headaches, no burning.
I look better. I feel better. I can work long hours and not feel exhausted. I can run up the stairs instead of dragging myself up them, gasping for breath at the top. I am riding my horse almost every day as well as mucking the barn again, grooming everyone and mowing acres of grass.
I just finished a two hour trail ride and I have the afternoon planned with more things to get done. Check back on my posts from three months ago and you will see how much progress I have made.
So if you have not tried this diet, stop knocking it. Just stay sick and tell yourself you need fat for your already demented mind and twitching, exhausted body.
neff - I do not want to argue that it is making you worse AT THIS TIME. I do "follow"/remember your situation some, I imagine partly because of the vegetarianism we have in common. I've been on this diet as well (although was more 30-35gms fat/day rather than 15gms/day). I was surprised looking back at my records, it was way back in May/June last year. I benefited from it enormously as well.
After about 6-8 weeks, though, I did encounter problems on it and stop. How much benefit I retained from it over this time, really, I don't know. My body is asking for it again and I started it again this past weekend. For how long, we will see. I did lose track of it over this past year, and likely could have got back on it sooner than now, but just was caught up in some other things.
I do have concern about using it long-term, both for you and me. I don't know your status of fat stores, nor do I know how precisely you are following the diet. Are you counting grams of fat in the beans/grains and other foods, or just counting "extra fat" in any nuts/seeds/oils/meats/eggs you may end up eating? What range of fat in total do you think you're really in? All of that would be interesting/helpful information as I continue to evaluate how healthful/realistic it is long-term, as I'll be assessing how things go for me as well as any others who report.
I must say, while it's great to hear how night-and-day your results are on my diet, I see improvement but not quite that dramatic. Fatigue is still pretty apparent (although it is early, I don't remember details of last time that well any more).
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quote:Originally posted by MichaelTampa: ...I was targeting 15% of calories from fat, which did end up at about 33 grams a day. I had enormous herx and benefit. So, I want to pass that on for those considering this. Going straight to 15 grams, you may kill so many bugs right away, you might not be ready for that, maybe try slowly, and maybe there is real benefit even if you can't get that low.
This sounds like a happy medium for me (yeast issues). Thanks Michael!
It would be fascinating to see Dr. F.'s work on this. I wonder how he got to 15 grams per day (maybe McDougall's diet)?
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re: So if you have not tried this diet, stop knocking it. Just stay sick and tell yourself you need fat for your already demented mind and twitching, exhausted body.
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Not everyone may have the "Fry bug"... Different parasites have different food or energy sources.
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Also, nefferdun - do you think the methylation protocol has anything to do with your improvement? If you are doing several things - how do you know for sure it's the low fat diet?
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In some cases, it has been observed that low levels of Babesia duncani antibodies with a negative FISH could be an indicator for Protomyxzoa rheumatica.
FL1953 (Protomyxzoa rheumatic) can be found in red blood cells on a smear done by Fry Labs. May appear as hypochromic red blood cells.
Symptoms of FL1953 are similar to Babesia. Symptoms include cold hands and feet, headache behind the eyes, scalp sores, sinus congestion, notable teeth pain, heart palpitations, shortness of breath, dry cough, abdominal pain, nausea, IBS, insomnia, sweats, bladder pain, muscle pain, twitching, profound fatigue, exercise intolerance, insomnia, brain fog, poor balance, anxiety, OCD, irritability, hypercoagulation.
Off and on hoarseness can be a symptom of FL1953.
Possible treatment options for FL1953 include Alinia, Artemisinin, Albenza, Ivermectin, Beyond Balance MC-BAB-2, Byron White A-BAB, Cryptolepis, Byron White A-BART, Supreme Nutrition Golden Thread Supreme, macrolide antibiotics.
ALWAYS uses enzymes, enzymes, enzymes and usually restorative fats, while reducing dietary fats. DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE!
May use Allergy Research or Doctor�s Best Artemisinin. May used a pulsed anti-parasitic (Alinia, Artemisinin, Albenza, Ivermectin) combined with an herbal remedy.
Very commonly Golden Thread Supreme.
Enzymes are also used with the anti-parasitic and herbal treatment. Designs for Health Plant Enzyme Digestive Formula seems to be the best. Serrapeptase, Interfase, Boluoke, and others can be helpful. The enzymes are best taken on an empty stomach with drainage remedies.
Out of 103 patients tested for FL1953 with PCR, 78 were positive.
FL1953 herxes can be massive body pain, headache, anxiety, paranoia, hallucination, irritability, twitching, fatigue, joint pain, tooth pain, congestion or sinus pressure, abdominal pain, bladder pain, and increased hypercoagulability.
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Also- (from same link as above)
Best treatment to date for FL1953 includes: an anti-parasitic, usually Alinia or Artemisinin with Beyond Balance MC-BAB-2, Golden Thread Supreme with multiple enzymes such as Boluoke, Nattokinase, Serrapeptase, Interfase, Interfase Plus, Plant Enzyme Digestive Formula and others along with fats are often needed such as Omega-3s, phosphatidylcholine, phosphatidylserine, Crayhon DHA Supreme, and others. Omega-3s may be needed for a couple of years.
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So, not all think low fat is the only way. I'm not trying to be a jerk but I like to cross reference the treatments to get a consensus. Like I said - I tried some diet concepts in the past - & they turned out to be based on one "opinion"...
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Suggestion: everyone read "The Spectrum " by Dr. Dean Ornish, and "Reversing Heart Disease" by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn of the Cleveland Clinic (number one heart disease hospital. Peace,love, and Wellness, JW
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yep good reads along with john robbins work
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I don't count fat in beans or rice but I do count it in oatmeal. I don't eat seeds or nuts. I do miss them terribly. I am not strict vegan because I eat some egg whites and cheese once in awhile. I count the fat when I do.
For instance the package of shredded mozzarella cheese says 1/3 cup has 6 grams of fat. I will make a veggie pizza with a bit of cheese or melt some over a grilled portabello mushroom. I have been making my own sprouted grain bread and it has 2 TB oil per loaf but one TB is flax oil.
Stromectol has helped a lot. I did two weeks of horse wormed in early April. Then I did 4 days of chloroquine which seemed to make my thyroid hyper. I was really concerned at this time that I was "done for". I decided to give LDN another try and it settled my thyroid down. Now it seems normal and I am off meds for it.
I got my methyl cycle test results around the end of May and tweaked the supplements. I sent my results to heartfixer and am still waiting for the results.
I restarted stomectol the beginning of June. I was feeling a lot better at that time but had small amounts of pain that came and went. The stromectol got me over the top.
The diet is hard. I went to a wonderful whole foods grocery today where they have great prepared food - most of which I cannot eat because of the added fat. Even the veggie soup has fat floating on top. Sometimes it drives me nuts (no pun intended). I just do the best I can.
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Like I said - I'm not trying to be a jerk... it just seems that you may feel better, nefferdun, due to the anti-parasite meds & not necessarily the low fat diet. Is there a way you can tell the difference?
After 2 years of doing the anti-parasite herbs - one day I woke up & I felt about 85% better after over 15 years of being ill. It took longer since I was really infected & I used only herbs, not drugs.
It's really hard to tell which thing is affecting what when one is on multiple protocols. I'm not against doing whatever it takes but changing diet can be a big inconvenience. At one point, I was spending about 5 hours a day preparing food. After about 6 months, I realized that I didn't feel much better.
For me, the anti-parasite treatment was what has made the biggest difference. I have not been tested for the Fry bug & I have not done a low fat diet. I would have to see more evidence that it's really the thing that is helping.
The symptoms of FL1953 could fit alot of different diseases or other parasite infections. I don't know how accurate the tests are. Fat consumption is a pretty big deal - especially the "right" fats as opposed to the "wrong" ones over time.
I'm repeating here - I'm not trying to criticize anyone. As a somewhat objective observer - I don't see alot of actual proof that it's what is helping other than what Dr. F says.
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Any body looked at Dr. D'Adamo's blood type diet? According to his studies, some people are meant to be vegetarian and some are definitely not. His Geno Type book goes into epigenetics and how adding and eliminating certain foods boost the immune system.
Just another view...
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I want to concede this blood type diet probably has at least some validity. But, like so many things, taking a principle like that, which may make sense for a "normal healthy person", and trying to apply it someone with lyme disease is going to be a terrible mistake.
Having chronic lyme disease changes what the body needs in so many different ways, including what it needs from diet. Just as one example, maybe a healthy type O person can handle all that disgustingly fatty and acid meat and should just eat big steaks at every meal. BUT, try doing that with chronic lyme disease and you'll be much the sicker for it, blood type notwithstanding.
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There are a huge amount of ideas about diet... We could speculate forever as to which are correct. I've looked into so many from vegan to only eating meat.
I think that the body is pretty adaptable. Everyone has their specific genetics & how it may be effected by pathogens. The concept I follow these days to try to be moderate. I try to stay away from "non-food" items like high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated fats & GMOs.
It's hard - that stuff is in almost all foods these days. I'd probably go for mostly all organic if it was available & didn't cost an arm & a leg.
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How is everyone doing? Has anyone who hasn't cut the fat yet tried going low fat or even just cutting down on it, and has it helped you? I appreciate advice from experienced Dr. F followers too.
I have a ton of respect for Dr. F, as does my lyme specialist. Unfortunately, he can't test me for this due to state law prohibiting it, so I have to find someone who can (another state).
So, all things considered, and for the time being, I decided to take Sparkle's (be moderate) and Michael's advice, and just cut the fat.
So for now, I cut down on nuts. I know we aren't supposed to have them (if we have protomyxoa) due to arginine. I used to eat 2 cups a day because I got so thin.
Then 3 mos ago I cut it to 1 cup. And recently, I cut it to 1/4 cup a day. I feel better but I'm not sure if it's because I'm starting to win the war on yeast, or if it's due to decreasing the nuts & protomyxzoa.
But looking at my notes of a few months ago, I felt better within a day of cutting back on the nuts. Not massively better, but noticeably better. Maybe I cut the biofilms in half (hope so)? I wonder if Dr. F has info on this.
I actually feel better when I eat avocados though. I don't know if that means I have the F1953, or not.
Maybe it's about balance? If you cut some fat out and add in more cyst busters (I don't really know).
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I continue on a low-fat diet. The first week I probably was at about 15 grams a day, and since, I have been eating about 28-30 grams a day, per my pendulum which is pretty consistent from day to day.
I am continuing to see significant improvements against biofilms and lyme and coinfections and better energy.
To get to the 28-30 grams a day, I often have a veggie burger or two, and am adding in 1-4 teaspoons of coconut oil or olive oil, and sometimes some small amount of walnuts or hemp seeds. I'm following the pendulum.
I did get tested for the FL1953 but do not have results yet.
I think the low-fat diet would be important to many here.
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That's great Michael. It kind of sounds like you have it (FL1953). I think it is so much better to find out rather then guessing.
Are you still herxing from it?
I am trying to eat close to normal for me to see if the test shows it (but did cut down on the nuts). But first I have to find someone to do the test.
I'm hoping, if I do have it, that then my doc will give me some pharmaceutical grade anti parasitics.
Keep in touch and let us know how your test goes. I'm curious to see what your doc puts you on.
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Forgot to mention, while I had huge herx last year at the beginning when I did it for 6 weeks, nothing of that sort this time around.
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I am still trying to do the diet. I can't say I am vegan but I am vegetarian. I eat a small amount of cheese, yogurt, goats milk and egg whites. I am doing much better on this diet.
I try to keep my fat to 15 grams but that is hard so I probably average 15 to 20 grams. I think the lower you keep it, the better your results. I started to get some pain back in my knee when wasn't so careful, so I am back on track.
I tested homzygous for the CBS mutation which means animal protein causes me to build up a lot of ammonia in my body. This wrecks havoc everywhere so it is doubly important that I am vegan(ish).
WIth the methyl cycle mutations I have to limit sulfur so I am not supposed to have soy, kale, spinach, onion, garlic etc and with the F diet I have to limit fat and arginine- so no nuts, seeds, avocado, oils. Excitotoxins I am not supposed to eat are mushrooms, peas and tomatoes. I just can't be that strict with myself.
I am much better though - much better!
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15 grams of fat is, IMO, too low.
Our LDL carries cholesterol to where it is needed.
Like the myelin sheath!
LDL is not bad. It is only when it is OXIDIZED that it is a bad situation.
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Marnie, Please remember that with any of this, lyme, babs, bart, Fl1953, that our bodies are not the same as 'normal' people that can look at all the 'normal' suggestions on how to eat, how to live, how to do anything.
When a microbiologist see's something under a microscope on what is working. I for one do believe that.
I feel SO much better just going low fat. Some days I can do 15grams, most days just around 20-25 which is still low.
We are not 'normal'......at least I am not.
It's not an extreme diet. It's a new way of eating whole foods and lower fat.
For those of us that eat this way, we are proof that we feel better.
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people with pancreas problems do low fat or what they can tolerate.
it's the only way they can prevent acute attacks. plus they must take enzymes with everything.
not a good way to live, but many do it.
do be careful with doing low fat. it caused me to loose my gallbladder and i haven't been the same since.
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How many calories are you consuming?
For the purposes of this statement, a very low fat diet is defined as one in which ≤15% of total calories are derived from fat (33 g for a 2000-calorie diet.
There is supposed to be a glutamate-glutamine cycle.
Now...glutamine is our most abundant amino acid and the liver uses lactate + H -> lactic acid + glutamine to make glucose...to keep the blood supply of glucose up when it drops.
Unfortunately...
Cancer cells function via AEROBIC glycolysis (normally anaerobic) in the cytoplasm and the powerhouses of the cancer cells use glutamine.
This is the odd part about cancer cells....they use BOTH fuels...glucose AND an amino acid.
As does Bb who ferments glucose AND needs amino acids to build his cell walls.
There is such a thing as aerobic fermentation...and Bb is NOT a strict anaerobe.
NORMALLY we use one or the other.
GENETICALLY, my son has to eat cholesterol and nutrient rich WHOLE eggs (over easy to preserve the nutrients). His normal cholesterol is too low and when it gets really low this -> depression...and he knows he has to temporarily bump up his intake of WHOLE eggs.
Ever look at a raw egg carefully? See the "dot" on the yolk (sometimes it is a little red). That is where the chicken-embryo is...
on the most nutrient rich portion of the egg.
This is the balance in nature. Yes, eggs ARE high in cholesterol (which we need), but the yolk ALSO has in it
lecithin which is a
fat emulsifier!
...among many other beneficial nutrients...esp. those needed for our eye health.
Same with seeds and nuts...they are tiny nutrient packed power packages.
While the Ornish or other similar diets maybe beneficial for many persons i.e., those in the test who had HEART DISEASE, I suspect persons with heart disease AND other diseases were eliminated from the testing process.
Which skews the results.
In other words, if you had heart disease AND lyme disease or heart disease AND diabetes, it is highly unlikely you would be allowed in the testing to determine the potential benefits of the low fat diet.
LDL-cholesterol (remember LDL carries cholesterol) comes from our own body AND from our diet. Mostly our own body.
Wikipedia:
"Some research indicates cholesterol may act as an antioxidant."
Logical...LDL (don't want it oxidized) so attach it to an antioxidant...cholesterol.
Besides the foods we eat that have cholesterol, we MAKE it.
Wikipedia:
About 20�25% of total daily cholesterol production occurs in the liver; other sites of higher synthesis rates include the intestines, adrenal glands, and reproductive organs.
If your intake of cholesterol is too low and your body can NOT produce enough in the above organs/sites...the body WILL find it somewhere...
Notably the myelin sheath will suffer.
Just like our bones are robbed of nutrients when the nutrients are desperately needed to preserve our life.
For a person of about 68 kg (150 pounds), typical total body cholesterol synthesis is about 1 g (1,000 mg) per day, and total body content is about 35 g, primarily
located within all the membranes of all the cells of the body.
Typical daily dietary intake of additional cholesterol, in the United States, is 200�300 mg
However, most ingested cholesterol is esterified and esterified cholesterol is poorly absorbed.
The body also compensates for any
absorption of additional cholesterol
by reducing cholesterol synthesis.
For these reasons, cholesterol intake in food has little, if any, effect on total body cholesterol content or concentrations of cholesterol in the blood.
"Researchers have found that some foods -- such as ***fatty fish***, ***walnuts,*** oatmeal, and oat bran, and foods fortified with plant sterols or stanols -- can help control your cholesterol.
�Low-fat,� �reduced fat,� or �fat-free� processed foods are not necessarily �healthy,� nor is it automatically healthier to follow a low-fat diet.
One problem with a generic lower-fat diet is that it prompts most people to stop eating fats that are good for the heart along with those that are bad for it.
And low-fat diets are often higher in refined carbohydrates and starches from foods like white rice, white bread, potatoes, and sugary drinks.
Similarly, when food manufacturers take out fat, they often replace it with carbohydrates from sugar, refined grains, or starch.
Our bodies digest these refined carbohydrates and starches very quickly, causing blood sugar and insulin levels to spike and then dip, which in turn leads to hunger, overeating, and weight gain.
Over time, eating lots of �fast carbs� can raise the risk of heart disease and diabetes
as much as�or more than�eating too much saturated fat.
So when you *cut back* on foods like red meat and butter,
replace them with fish, beans, *nuts*, and healthy oils�
not with white bread, white rice, potatoes, sugary drinks, or other refined carbohydrates.
Although it is still important to limit the amount of cholesterol you eat, especially if you have diabetes, for most people dietary
cholesterol isn't nearly the villain it's been portrayed to be.
Cholesterol in the bloodstream, specifically the bad LDL cholesterol, is what's most important.
And the biggest influence on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats and carbohydrates in your diet�not the amount of cholesterol you eat from food.
Unfortunately those who go to extremes often cut out ALL dairy (casein does raise cholesterol) and sub. soy milk. This is NOT what Ornish said.
And avoiding all nuts and seeds is not a good idea. Walnuts, according to Harvard, actually help us to control cholesterol levels, for example.
Ornish also suggests exercise and even muscle BUILDING programs in addition to meditation and yoga (to reduce stress which would trigger the adrenals to make cholesterol).
But some poo-poo "meditation" or yoga benefits and feel these are "hog-wash".
Anytime a person maintains a "highish" level of blood glucose, this will ultimately -> a "fatty liver"...which in time is destructive to the liver.
All the anti-seizure drugs cause an elevation of blood glucose. Example, Depakote -> "fatty liver".
Ultimately the extreme diets or eating foods way out of balance -> severe illness...case in point - Steve Jobs!
Vegan diets reduce blood glucose levels.
Our brain needs 100 GRAMS of glucose per day and our body needs another 100 GRAMS. The brain is considered a "glucose hog".
With insufficient glucose, the cells have no choice but to switch to utilizing fats for energy to make ATP.
In go the amino acids...the building blocks of proteins.
Glutamine...(cancer cells love that amino acid)
And while "he" is at it...inhibit glutamine synthetase which
protects the neurons against excitotoxicity by
taking up excess ammonia
and glutamate and converting it into glutamine.
The REAL culprit in our typical American diet -> so many overweight is
FRUCTOSE.
Table sugar (sucrose) is glucose + fructose.
When we skew the balance in favor of high fructose, we are in big trouble.
It is added to a lot of things because it helps preserve shelf life.
Like adding hydrogen to oils...saturating them...crisco...to preserve the shelf life.
Oils can go rancid due to O2 exposure...adding hydrogen helps stop that process.
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for myself i'm probably doing 25-30 but then i'm not eating very much at all.
i can't. hurts my stomach.
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Critical that you get to a gastroenterologist to get to the root cause.
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Randibear I thought eating fat caused gall bladder pain?
I understand that lyme patient's gallbladders easily get mucked up. My gall bladder has been hurting me lately.
I cut the fat, but I am also chelating right now. I just thought it was that and taking so many supplements.
I am so confused.
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You are not cutting out all fat on this diet. It is very healthy. I do not use oils when I cook and no meat. For breakfast I usually have oatmeal. One cup (cooked) has 2.5 grams of fat.
Most beans and rice have no fat and I make a lot of meals from them. I make vegan loaves out of black beans, black rice, onion, green pepper, spices, chia (loaded with omega 3) and enough whole wheat bread crumbs (or flour) to bind. No fat to speak of.
I can make chile with pinto beans, kidney beans, soy protein, diced tomatoes, spices, onion, peppers etc. About 2 grams fat.
I eat all the fruit and vegetables I want. Egg whites have no fat but a lot of sulfur and arginine which I am not supposed to have. I have them in baked goods. You can make spongecake with egg whites, whole wheat pastry flour and maple syrup - no fat. You can also make brownies or chocolate cake substituting mashed black beans for fat. It is very good. I even make corn bread substituting mashed white beans for fat.
I am telling you guys how to survive this diet and all my cheats. Grahm crackers have very little fat. Sometimes I make pudding from low fat goat's milk (2.5 grams per cup), a little honey or maple syrup and corn starch. I pour it over fresh fruit like peaches or bananas. A couple of grams crackers adds less than 1 gram fat.
I make smoothies from low fat yogurt (2 grams), frozen blueberries and frozen bananas. I can make a sorbet using juice instead of yogurt. Sorbet has no fat.
I am at my ideal weight. My husband is also pretty much on this diet as he eats what I eat most of the time. We are both feeling well and actually look better. A friend I recently saw commented that I looked more healthy and younger.
I just can't do the vegan thing. I crave a little cheese now and then. I am very careful and measure it so I know I am not overdoing it. 1/3 cup of low fat shredded mozzarella only has 6 grams of fat.
I use even less than that on a grilled portobello mushroom or a homemade pizza. I am making my own bread and use 1 TB oil in the whole loaf. Sometimes I even sprout the grain, dehydrate it and then grind it into flour.
I have more energy. I planted 30 trees and 18 bushes this past week. Then went for a long trial ride. This morning as I went out to feed the horses, I was feeling so perky I wondered if I could jog. I surprised myself as I did make it about 100 yards without feeling I would collapse (like before).
I can think better. I play cribbage with my husband several times a day. I am very quick at counting the cards. I remember things better. I am less anxious even though there are some very stressful things going on in my life.
It is not just the diet. The methy cycle mutations help. Currently I am taking 100mg of minocycline once a day and ivermectin every other day.
What I have lingering is dry eyes and pain in one knee now and then. I hope I stay this well.
Anyway, the point of my post is to assure you guys that this will not harm you, it is healthful and may even get you well.
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JUST GLAD SOMEONE IS FEELING BETTER!!
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That's awesome Neff!
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You should write a cookbook, nefferdun! Sounds delicious. I wish someone would cook like that for me.
I still think the ivermectin is a big factor, though.
Also, Catgirl - nuts often have alot of yeast.
I guess I'm kind of thinking that's it's not a big factor since I did do a very clean diet & juicing a long time ago & it didn't help. It's expensive & time consuming to do all that kitchen work. Maybe I'll have to give it more thought when it gets cooler. I hate spending more than an hour or so in the kitchen.
I don't think I would cut out fats for too long. I'm with Marnie on this. These diet ideas are experimental. You don't know what the long term effect might be.
If you got parasites eating your insides out & losing nutrients - you need to rebuild. Then, the drugs have to be factored in. I'm sure many of them are depleting.
It may be a good idea to cut out the fats while trying to get rid of this parasite but I'm not sure about long term effects. We may have to do anti-parasite protocols for life. I got to be feeling pretty good after 2 years of fighting them - but they came back when I stopped.
I'm even kind of afraid of taking the anti-parasite drugs for long. I decided to try Raintree A-P. I've been feeling worse for about a month now. It must be hitting something.
Everyone is different, though.
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Important you all catch this:
"It is not just the diet. The methy (sic) cycle mutations help. Currently I am taking 100mg of minocycline once a day and ivermectin every other day."
Ivermecitin is an antiparasitic and used traditionally for worms.
For many years alot of people have claimed that the over consumption of Omega 6 polyunsaturated fats found in foods such in most grain/seed based cooking oils and highly processed foods can damage your health but the Omega 3 polunsaturated fats found in foods such as fish are good for your health.
But now, it seems as though some studies are starting indicate that eating Omega 3 fats may not be as good for your health as once thought.
I wonder if Dr. F has ever compared results of people that ate very little of all types of fats vs. people that ate normal amounts or even alot of saturated fats but ate very little to no polyunsaturated fats such as omega 3's and omega 6's?
Since the long term consumption of polyunsaturated fats appears to have the potential to cause health problems in people it would be rather interesting to see if just eliminating polyunsaturated fats from your diet would be just as effective at treating the FL1953 bug as eating a diet that consists a eating very little of any type of fat, including polyunsatured, saturated and monounsaturated fats.
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The important thing about this diet is to eliminate separated oils. I. e; fry in water. You get the oil from the whole food. Ground linseeds etc.
Young coconuts are only 15 per cent fat[a cornerstone now of my diet] and I also think they heal a bad digestive system. This must be tackled no matter what diet we are on. Fermented foods are another option here.
Of course the diet is safe. Bill Clinton is no fool!
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quote:Originally posted by emla999/Lyme: I thought that some of you that are trying Dr. F's low fat diet may find this video and the articles down bellow interesting.
Are polyunsaturated fatty acids bad for your health?
For many years alot of people have claimed that the over consumption of Omega 6 polyunsaturated fats found in foods such in most grain/seed based cooking oils and highly processed foods can damage your health but the Omega 3 polunsaturated fats found in foods such as fish are good for your health.
But now, it seems as though some studies are starting indicate that eating Omega 3 fats may not be as good for your health as once thought.
I wonder if Dr. F has ever compared results of people that ate very little of all types of fats vs. people that ate normal amounts or even alot of saturated fats but ate very little to no polyunsaturated fats such as omega 3's and omega 6's?
Since the long term consumption of polyunsaturated fats appears to have the potential to cause health problems in people it would be rather interesting to see if just eliminating polyunsaturated fats from your diet would be just as effective at treating the FL1953 bug as eating a diet that consists a eating very little of any type of fat, including polyunsatured, saturated and monounsaturated fats.
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Dr. F. in speeches has said the type of fat does not matter, that the FL1953 thrives on fat, regardless of the kind.
I am eating about 28-30 grams of fat a day (about twice the 15 grams/day Dr. F. recommends for those with FL1953). I am pendulum testing how much fat/day and also the type of fat at each meal. Sometimes it has come from coconuts or coconut oil and thus been saturated fat, and sometimes it has come from unsaturated fat, so my experience is the type of fat does not affect the appropriate total for the day. I should point out, I don't know if I have the FL1953 bug. I took the test and am awaiting results.
It would be convenient if things that were true for the rest of the population made sense for us, but that is not the case in many ways.
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The stromectol has done a lot. I quit the mino because it makes me dizzy and gives me a headache. I just can't tolerate the abx any more so I haven't got too many options left. I don't know the long term effects of ivermectin.
If it is not to be give to animals intended for human consumption, then you wonder how safe it is. I don't have another option right now. I hope I can eventually control the protomyxzoa with just diet and supplements.
That was a great video with Bill Clinton. It was funny that Esselstyl "fudges" on New Year's Eve, eating a bit of chocolate.
After Clinton explains he is looking and feeling so much better because he is on a near vegan diet, I think Letterman sums it up for everyone when he says, "you see, I don't want to do that".
That is what people who object to this diet are really saying. They just don't want to try it because they don't want to give up their food addictions. When you are addicted to something you believe you can't live without it. That is what people are saying when they say it must be unhealthy.
Funny, it must be unhealthy but I feel so good.
I would like to have nuts, avocado, butter and more cheese but I am not going to say not having it is going to make me sick. Not frying my food is not going to make me sick either. Think of how many more nutrients you get from your food when it is not covered in grease so it is easier to digest.
I have noticed I can eat a lot more, as much as I want. That means I am eating a lot more vegetables and fruits - food that is loaded with antioxidants and vitamins. The fat is a filler. It has very little food value.
How much fat do you think is in a fish oil capsule? About 1 to 1.75 grams! Why in the world are you ranting about omega 3's. Good grief, you could take 8-10 fish oil capsules and still not exceed your fat requirements for the day.
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yep people are in denial bigtime!!
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Sorry...but I'm pro "fish" (symbol).
Hillary sure doesn't look like SHE'S on that diet!
Fruit is loaded with fructose!
Bb is phosphofructokinase dependent (= PFK).
Phosphofructokinase (PFK)catalyses the phosphorylation of fructose-6-phosphate to fructose-1,6- bisphosphate.
Yes...not eating a lot of proteins and fats IS easier on the digestive system. This is WHY we use glucose FIRST and it is a key nutrient needed by our body. 100 Grams per day for our brain, another 100 Grams per day for our body.
Unfortunately Bb likes it (and amino acids) too...as do cancer cells.
Cancer cells function on AEROBIC (normally anaerobic) glycolysis in the cell cytoplasm AND glutamine = amino acid - (in the mitochondria).
Bb ferments glucose aerobically (in the cytoplasm) and triggers also the import of amino acids to build "his" cell walls and to make "his" RNA and DNA.
This is a very delicate balance.
NORMALLY we use EITHER glucose OR Ketones (amino acids from the breakdown of fats or proteins)to supply energy to our cells.
Bb and cancer cells use both.
Dr. F finds a new pathogen that is not confirmed by other microbiologists and now he is an expert at recommending what diet one should be on? When did he get a 5 year degree in nutrition?
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