Lymedin2010
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First off, I would like to just stress the importance of doing microscopy. It can buy clues as to what is ACTUALLY going on in your body.
So many of us have difficulty knowing what is going on. Are we experiencing herxes, disease progression or something else?
I cannot imagine being a Doctor & not having the passion or desire to look at what is going on from within. I would not be able to sleep at night!!!
I have looked at my blood for quite some time & have gained considerable knowlege. Something that I can teach someone else in a day & save them some time. This way we can continue to progress forward and make new discoveries.
I bought my Microscope on ebay for $100 & other equipment for well under $100 (Glass slides, slip covers, oil immersion, diabetes kit for finger pricks).
We cannot waste more time. Had we done this years ago, we might be in a different place today. It is important for those of us who are trying various methods to see what the results are in front of our eyes & share them with one another.
To possibly help those professionals who are trying to help us.
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I believe the organism we are looking at to be spirochaeta gallinarum. A very hardy and clever specimen that avoids ABX by encysting, budding spores, invading your RBC�s & and your WBC, as well as just about any tissue in the human body.
These are just a few videos that I had just made after getting my new camera 2 days ago. They in no way reflect the best of what I have seen.
I have taken notice that they come in various sizes, shapes, and morphologies. Some are short and stubby dumbbell shaped & are very active and move in a Brownian motion.
Others are medium dumbbell, with a longer middle line (thread). As if the older and matured version of the short and stubby dumbbell. Basically a line with two bulbous tips on either end.
At times they appear as a long dancing string & can be seen exiting RBC's. One end is exposed and is bulbous, while the other end is still within the RBC. Initially not much can be seen, but if the live smear is left for an hour or more, they start to appear in the plasma & some can be caught in the act of exiting RBC's.
If the smear is left overnight, more can be seen the following day. The trick to see them the next day is to spread the oil immersion around the peripheral of the slip cover & let it spill over to the slide. In essence creating a vacuum seal for the smear & decreasing plasma evaporation. With this method the RBC's can be kept whole, but shrunk for days & those organisms can be seen for quite some time.
Others have a dotted body, besides the two dots on either ends, as if they are giving rise to new spores (dots).
The progression might be DOT--> DOT WITH TAIL-->STUBBY DUMBBELL-->MEDIUM DUMBBELL-->LONG DUMBBELL (STRING).
The LONG DUMBBELL can be even longer & the MEDIUM DUMBBELL can be dotted.
Some of these dots (spores) can be seen dancing around freely in the plasma & yet some have a very small tail. Basically a tear drop, or cigar shape with a tail.
Others are extremely long and wrap around. They appear to have grown longer with time. When I first started getting symptoms they were smaller & incidentally I felt the twitches within me smaller. Months into the progression I was able to observe how long they can actually get & this coincides with the feeling that something bigger and something that has grown within me. They have also grown in abundance and prevalence. This produces various burning pains, twitches and movement...Fibromyalgia type symptoms.
Here is an interesting find. I had been watching my blood for many hours & months. I had seen so many of those things come out of RBC's, but never once from a WBC. I had started to do Hot Baths & on day two I checked my blood. I noticed that my blood was more watered down and fluid. When I pricked myself for the smear, my finger did not want to stop bleeding. When I got my Bacillin LA shot, that too gushed blood (which is out of the ordinary).
Here is a poor video from my hand held camera of this, but it is hard to tell. You may need to expand the video fully. There are so many coming out of the WBC for the first time ever & this is with multiple WBC's.
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I am very, very interested in this!!! I have not even looked at the links yet.
This is my next step. I am currently in a Biol lab at school simply to learn how to use a microscope. The students are half my age and do not have borrelia in their brains, but I am determined to do my own research. I occasionally have a synapse in my brain fire, I plan to get them working again.
I will send you a PM and also give you my phone number. Maybe you can walk me through which scope to buy etc..
Also - maybe we could start a facebook page for people that are doing this. They could post their results there.
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Haley, yes we can talk.
Also note that my blood smears are using a standard Phase Contrast microscope, without the phase use & can be seen with a standard compound microscope. They are live & slightly more wet (so I can see things freely swimming) & NO STAIN!
Yes, the BB is hard to see inside RBC's without a stain, but once they come out they are easy to spot. If you look closely you can see some of the RBC's dancing around, indicating there is something inside. One can also see the cysts within WBC's, that look like specks.
Here is Dr. Andy Wright (from UK) making similar observations
http://lymerick.net/video/AndyWright2004-640.wmv (52 Mb, 4 minutes) video of spirochetes in more lenghts, granules, a moving granulated cellular structure, thus illustrating all the phases complex spirochetal lifecycle drawn on page 475 in this article by Hindle 1912 (PDF) printed in Parasitology (1912), iv, pp 463-477. So far (June 2005) 98/98 of Andy�s ME/CFS patients with such structures in their blood tested positive on direct fluorescent antibody test for Borrelia burgdorferi ANTIGEN!
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Very cool!
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-Things to look for: -Get a Binocular instead of a single one. It makes things easier on your eyes when looking long term. If you can get a Trinocular, even better. It will allow you to place a camera without hindrance to the Binocular portion. I have a binocular.
-Make sure you get one with 100x (Oil Immersion) objective lens (the long tubes you swivel). Usually if there are 4x lenses they may be (20x, 40x, 80x, 100x). You need a min of 100x & coupled with the eye piece (usually standard 10x), you will be able to see 100x * 10x or 1000x.
-It would be nice to get anything over a 100x if you can. I don�t even have one yet, but eventually will get one. Maybe a 200x, so I can see 200x 10x = 2000x.
2) Glass Slides: $10 (with ship) Do a search on ebay for �microscope glass slides� You get 75 slides & 100 slip covers with these. I bought more & a bulkier batch & have plenty left over. �72 Blank Microscope Slides and 100 Square Cover Glass - Karter Scientific
4)A Lancing device, such as this Delica Onetouch system (under $20). You can draw blood anyway, but this makes it easy & pain free and can be bought at RiteAid or Walmart. It is a good idea to swab your finger with alcohol before drawing blood.
Here is a youtube video on how to make a blood smear. Follow the video & then add the slip cover on top. Then you add the oil immersion on top of the slip cover (1-2 drops). Personally, I use the slip cover to do the smear & it works out fine & is fresher.
I will make a video of a smear eventually & post.
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Here is another video of my Phagocytes in action.
Notice one of the Phagocytes has larger speckles within the body. This is most likely the Borrelia Cyst or Speck. The other phagocyte has no such specks.
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do you just use a drop of whole blood and view under the microscope or do you place a drop of blood on the slide, traumatize the blood cells by pricking with a needle then put the cover slip back on and view under the scope.Traumatizing the cells makes the bugs jump out of the cells into the extracellular space. If you are not doing this and u see the bugs in the extracellular space using a drop of whole blood then you are toxic, your extracellular space needs to be cleaned up before more detox.
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I prick & manage to get about a drop out of me. Place it on the slide and smear it using the cover slip. I don't induce any trauma.
The blood smear looks clean and nice while fresh. Give it an hour & things start to appear. Give it a day & one would be suprised and perhaps SHOCKED.
I have seen the blood of others & have seen things come out of many people's blood smear. At one point I was similar to others, but recently things appear to have gotten worst.
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Have not had time to read the whole thread or view the videos.
But one quick comment. Was on the phone tonight with hubby's LLMD. The doc tried something I had read and took some pictures of their own blood with an iphone.
Do a finger stick and then do an ear stick and compare the results. The ear stick may show much more. At least that is supposed to be best when looking for babesia in dogs.
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Is this a darkfield microscope? I'm wondering why the link you gave is a preferable microscope.
Is it possible to identify most of what you see? Can it help you diagnose exactly what is infecting you and so enable you to create a better protocol for yourself?
Wondering whether you really need a microbiology class to be effective.
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Never heard of an ear test, would be nice if it held water.
Darkfield would be nice too. �I have seen some Lyme blood online under Darkfield. �You can actually buy a dark field condenser and turn a compound into a dark field.�
I think Darkfield is better for identifying Babs and Bart. One can more clearly see through RBC. I had my blood viewed at the peak of my sickness with a Darkfield, before a good set of ABX that actually worked for me. Nothing was spotted. Maybe now might be a better time to check.
It could help make a better protocol. For instance, I had shortness of breath and the one thing that held it back was Buaxin. I was on it for over a year.
I have switching LLMD and have now switched meds. Because of interactions I had to stop Biaxin. I had never seen Borrelia in my WBC, only after 2 hot baths did I see them AND after one week of stopping Biaxin.
Biaxin is a good intracellular ABX. Perhaps I released more Borrelia from skin surface and they were picked up by macrophages or mybe I removed Biaxin, what prevented my WBC's from backing up?
If we had an individual who we knew only had Babesia or Bart, it might be easier to distinguish based upon shared video. Right now it is hard for me and for doctors. I am trying to make it easier.
The Borrelia is clear cut to me, nothing else mimics a string with a bulbous tip. But for instance, can the specks inside WBC be Bart? Yea, it could be and only until we do a DNA test can anyone know with certainty.
My next step is to transfer some of them over to new media and observe them for a longer term. This should buy further clues.
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Another suggestion from hubby's LLMD -- do not use alcohol pads to disinfect your finger before the blood draw. Doc suggested using a red cleaner instead -- could not remember what it is called -- not betadine but something else that just washes off. Said results would be different if you use the alcohol pad.
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That's really cool (pardons that you may be ill from it) but how do you know it's spirochaeta gallinarum as opposed to something else?
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Oh arrrggghhhhh....I can't figure out which button to click on to send you a private message. Would you call me when you have time and I can give you Dolores phone number?
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A mom -- Working on it. My computer is old as the hills and it would have taken over 2 hours to download dropbox. Am at Kinko's -- sending some of the video clips by yousendit.com -- still is taking over 5 minutes for each video clip (there were 27 in total). For now just sending 5 and will try to send more later today. If it works I will post the link in this thread -- think I can do that but not 100% sure.
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I am always willing to try. What is the red substance called?
There is no doubt in my mind what this is.
Did you guys watch this video from a DOCTOR who has seen and has described the same thing one sees in my blood smears.
Bea called and asked me to post a New Thread. I don't know how to do that. Can anyone start a New Thread for Bea's info:
Steve is dying from ARDS or lung failure from unknown causes. Docs think his heart will give out but can't say when. For example something as simple as turning him over in bed can cause his oxygen levels to fall -- even on a ventilator at maximum (100 % oxygen).. Other times his heart rate slows to dangerously low levels instead of the oxygen falling.
The docs are pushing for me to change Steve's code status (now at full code) or even to pull the plug on the ventilator. Undecided what to do about code status right now -- but pulling the plug is NOT an option at this time.
I am trying to decide what to do next to help Steve.
Once I get the Clongen blood smear results I need to come up with a new plan of action.
Addendum:
Babesia meds are still on, WBC down to 11,000. She did not say if he had fever.
Bea is trying to reach a doctor Dolores recommended: Dr. Thomas W. Nash (Columbia Presbyterian). Pulmonary and ID.
Bea called, but office was closed. I sent an email for HELP. Is anyone friends with him and could reach him for Bea?
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More Prayers Please. When i called Bea, the Pastor was in the room with them....
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a mom look towards bottom of this page see post new topic. Click that.
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Part 2: Traversing the field of view down the length of the organism. It did not appear to move, perhaps because it was sandwiched between the glass slide & the slip cover.
This could be the something that I feel in me that has grown in size & or colonies. Something moving inside of me throughout my body.
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that is crazy crazy, how you gonna kill it, or them inside of you, just prves that parasites play a bigger role in this than we think, would you teach someone how to do what you do on a scope
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Are you sure this is not an artifact, or food fiber? to tell if it's a parasite, staining would be more helpful, ie to differentiate between this better, can see the scolex & segments, etc. that's the best ID aspect of parasites in the bloodstream, tell if it's microfilaria.
by the way are you taking any enzymes? I noted lots of rouleaux, possible leaky gut issues. digestive enzymes with each meal, ie TPP Digest and then on a very empty stomach, Interfase plus or serrapeptase.
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Yes, I am willing to teach, just let me know.
I don't think a fiber would normally be:
-transparent, just like some of our own cellular material.
-have folds and ripples like it does.
-such finely tapered ends.
-looks to almost have a central tubule running across the one side. Almost as if a digestive or perhaps a reproductive tract.
I have never seen one of these before, but have seen bits and pieces of material, which I always associated with dead skin tissue and debris.
I just started serrapeptase a few days ago on docs orders. Here is my total regimen:
Doxy, Biaxin, Plaquinil, Malarone, Nystatin, Cryptolepis, A-Bio, & Colloidal Silver.
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Someone here who had a microscope posted a stained blood smear a year or two ago and identified them as microfilarial worms.
Ivermectin and doxy were taken by people in a study who thought they had these microfilaria and said they had success with that protocol.
Remember that Willy burdorfer found Filarial Worms in the ticks he dissected, and also Dr Eva Sapi is finding them in over 40% of the ticks she is dissecting.
My own experience with this disease has shown me that I was LOADED with these parasites and then some. It amazes me that even the ILADS community has overlooked this and is soley focused on BB.
According to Dr. K. once the parasites/worms are eradicated, bb and the other co-infections are easier to kill. Antiparasitics have to be taken if anyone wants to get rid of this disease. Abx alone will keep you on a treadmill and never eradicate this infection known as Lyme disease.
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I personally don't trust AmScope. Their units are sometimes unpredictable, but at that price range I would expect it to be ok. I believe it is the lower end ones that are riskier.
I believe LymeNurse or LymeTwister on here also bought an Amscope. It was unusable and he had to return and upgrade it. He got an awkward one with a built in video screen, but it did the trick. He posted his vids on youtube & you can check them out. Here is one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRNH0lkiNg&list=UUR9kWYE08hN1pbvzIzwL3Dg&index=7
The clarity is not that great, but it could be due to his video recording.
I caved in and bought a Amscope 9MP microscope camera. I figured they can't go wrong with that, can they? The build quality is great, but the software and auto refocus is pure crap. At the end the worst piece of hardware I have bought in a very long time. My point & shoot camera took clearer images and video & was better with frame rate.
The only problem with my PNS cam is that I had to hold it by hand & it was shaky.
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Haley, your PM box is full. Try & delete your older messages to make some room.
I don't see any Zeiss Trinocular microscopes on Ebay as of now, but here is a good & cheap alternative.
American Optics is a good brand used by many professionals. I would be bidding on this right now, if I needed a scope.
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Lymedin, my LLND says if we have blood parasites, we also have them in tissues and organs.
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I believe it. I have many disturbances and movement all over my body. In particular under my rib cage is a hot spot, that seems to have grown in size and disturbance.
This is right where the spleen & Liver is located. Once the spleen goes, I would imagine the immune sys gets knocked down hard & I feel as if mine is. Most of my blood work shows fine, except for slightly elevated Liver enzymes & they did notice immature granulocytes.
I think a source for parasites for me might have been the mosquito bites that ensued after starting treatment. I didn't know we had to be wrapped in a bubble while treating. If ABX knock down ones immune system, then you can really pickup anything and everything.
I feel like an AIDS patient, but with much more pain and inhumane disturbances.
I highly recommend watching the TV series "Monsters Inside Me." This will give you an idea of what others have been exposed to & how easily they got sick without any Lyme. With Lyme there are so much more dangers out there & they cannot necessarily all be attacked by the ABX we consume.
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Thank you Lymedin2010. I will bid on that scope. Can a camera be attached to that one?
I'm so spaced out that I have no idea how I will do any on this, but I am very interested in looking at tissues in addition to blood.
I will read through this entire post later.
My mailbox should be open now.
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Larger trinocular openings, such as that on this scope usually are meant for CCV cameras. I believe they are called C mount & size to be 30mm.
They also make adapters that will allow you to attach cameras and video cameras the size of the eye piece (23mm for example) to that opening.
Once you get it the best thing to do is find the dimensions of the opening & get the dimensions of the camera you are using. You can give a microscope store or B&H photo a call & provide them with your dimensions & they can help you find an appropriate adapter.
My Trinocular is a narrower openeing, same size as my eye piece, 23mm & the Amscope camera fits right into the trinocular adapter tube.
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Here is a WONDERFUL video showing you spirochetes coming out of RBC's. It shows you the cyst forms, which have various shapes all depending on how they curl up.
It even shows the bleb or granualar forms, which is the smallest unit of the spirochete. In this form it basically consists of DNA packaged in a cell wall. This form is reminiscent of a virus, but much larger in size.
I have seen all these forms in my blood. I have seen them in individuals who have been bitten & function overall, despite some minor symptoms.
I also see them in individuals who claim perfect health.
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Here is one of the best ways to capture video & images from your microscope. It is a device that attaches directly to the eyepiece or trinocular port of the microscope. My trinocular is 23mm, so it is perfect.
The Samsung Galaxy S2 & S3 are amazing for picture & video quality. The iPhones & iTouches as well, but you can use many smartphones that fall within their size range. Keep in mind that some phones have better quality cameras. I give high praise for the Galaxy series of phones...amazing quality for a phone, at times better than your point & shoot cameras.
I did a manual shot using my Samsung hoovering over my eyepiece & despite my shaky hands I was impressed with the image clarity.
I have ordered mine & can't wait to get it & post many vids soon. Price of the unit is $75 + 5 shipping. Compare that to the $250 piece of garbage 9MP Amscope video camera I bought.
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It looks like the world is catching up & are now realizing that Borrelia IS IN OUR RED BLOOD CELLS. For me Borrelia exists & continues to grow in numbers DESPITE ABX treatment & it is clearly & elegantly visible in blood smears.
Also a warning to those taking Doxy. It is the only ABX that keeps me from being in extreme pain, but over time it only does produce cyst forms & leads to more chronic lyme disease. I now stand by Dr. Sapi's test on the ABX.
A QUOTE & LINK:
"Filming the bacteria
The two scientists are pretty much alone in what they are doing: investigating samples of living blood under the microscope - over time. They have looked at the blood of a large number of people who suspect that they are chronically ill following a tick bite.
"We study the behaviour of the bacteria directly through the microscope. We have taken thousands of pictures, and we film their movement pattern in real time or with a time lapse. This allows us to see how the bacteria enter and leave the blood cells and swim around in the blood plasma. These are powerful methods, but nobody uses them any longer", says Laane. He himself is regarded as one of the foremost microscopy experts, and he has been studying bacteria for over 50 years.
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I apologize for not understanding this but what are the implications of it being in the RBCs?
Are the abx we take not sufficient to kill it?
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This seems unprofesional to me (just viewed the latest video).
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Here are some of the implications:
____________________ 1) You may not need expensive test or to be bounced around in the medical field. A half borrelia brain dead like myself can look under a microscope to find these.
It would be great to find someone who gives a hoot & have them do PCR on these organisms. It would be nice to know what particular species they are. As we all now know there are many species of spirochetes.
It would be nice & easy to simply place a blood sample in BSK spirochete growing medium & culture them. One can clearly see borreliosis in this manner.
____________________ 2) Despite aggressive & varied ABX, with herbs, spirochetes in the blood still exist. We can break it down to the basics. If one cannot eliminate the infection in the blood, then there is no hope of eradicating it from the body. Just because you don't have symptoms does not mean you may not have borrelia in the blood. It is a good early warning sign.
It is easier and important to first discover how to kill it in the blood. The blood acts as the highway to infections throughout the body. What hope do you have getting rid of this, without clearing out the blood first?
Before I started treatment I only had a few symptoms. While treating I have over 2 pages now & what I have observed is an increase of organisms in my blood.
Blood can be kept alive for weeks outside of our bodies & experiments can be conducted on the blood. These would be cheap & easy experiments with blood drawn from Lyme subjects & would result in no harm.
____________________ 3)Gives us the possiblity that we can treat the blood externally. We may be able to treat & get rapid improvement with things such as frequencies, ultrasound, & UV/LED spectrum lighting. Attempting to disrupt the various stages of borrelia in the blood first, so that your body can once again fight the rest of the infection in your body.
Without the proper use of your blood & immune system, the rest of your body is defenseless.
____________________ 4) Indications of transmission. If borrelia is in your blood, that gives you clues as to where else it may be & how it can be transmitted. If it can be easily seen in the blood, then it is in every square inch of you, since blood & capillaries are spread throughout your body.
It is in your saliva, on the surface of external soft tissue (vagina & penis), eye fluid, mucous, and most likely is being shed as blebs on your skin.
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Lymedin2010 - what antibiotics have you taken for Lyme to date?
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Here is what I can remember & is a pretty solid list of what I took. I may come back here to edit in the future.
2011 (May part & June) Month 1: IV Rocephin 2g/day (at the end of 3-4 weeks I was 90-95% better with only head pain & I wished I had stopped there) (I could not find ANYTHING in my blood smears after HOURS & HOURS of looking)
2011 (July) Month 2: IV Rocephin 2g/day, Zithro & Mepron
2011 (Aug) Month 3: IV Rocephin 2g/day, Biaxin & Mepron
2011 (Sept) Month 4: Ceftin, Biaxin & Mepron
2011 (Oct-Nov) Month 5-6: Doxy, Biaxin (More & more Lyme symptoms with each passing week prior to adding Doxy. 2 pages worth of symptoms) (I started seeing things in my blood smears & accidentally discovered that if I cover the slides in oil, I preserve the smear longer & then I can see the spirochetes existing the red blood cells when conditions are properly met). In Nov I took my first major slide back after running out of Biaxin for 1 week.
2012 (Dec-Feb) Month 7-9: Doxy, Biaxin, Tindamax, I added Rulide the last month here (After 3-4 weeks of Doxy improved from 45% to 80-85%, still many minor symptoms but those I could handle. I was very gradually going back & some new symptoms)
2012 (March-April) Month 10--: Amoxicillin w/Probenecid, Biaxin, Flagyl, during the last week I added Rulide to this since I was just feeling worst & worst with new returning symptoms. This was a big decline on this combo for me & that I could never really recover from some of the new symptoms.
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Wow, you are awesome! What a detailed list! :-) The one thing that I am seeing though is that your doctor only had you on a cyst buster for a couple months so based on my understanding of how lyme is most effectively treated (always being on a cyst buster) maybe that is why the spirochetes are still showing up in your blood??? My doc has me on a cyst buster for the whole duration of treatment. I know some doctors just prescribe cyst busters intermittently but to be honest, I would be scared to treat that way because of the potential for baby spirochetes to be formed during the months a cyst buster wasn't used. I understand cyst busters are really hard to tolerate. I was really scared to take them too because of their reputation. I did feel worse for a few months and have progressively gotten SO much better. Anyways, I would love to see my blood under a microscope. I wish I knew of someone here that could do it with the level or expertise yours was done with!
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Here is another person who has also found spirochetes in their blood sample:
When I took tindimax I felt nothing. I took Flagyl for 4 months the first time, just can't remember how the time frame overlapped.
Then again they gave me another 4 months in 2013. I must say that by the 4th month I did have slightly more energy, but by then they took it away.
I don't know why LLMD's are so reserved to give this right off the bat & I don't know why they don't keep us on it for longer? Maybe they know something we don't, perhaps there is great risk of neuropathy & cancer for them to withhold is as they do.
So I am taking Doryx, Penecillin VK, Nystatin, Plaquinil, Cryptolepsis plus, A-Babs, & detox. I decided to try Amoxi on top of all this. I remembered that I herxed on Amoxi the first time & even months after, but the herx did not last long.
I took 1g & within 45 felt different. I then took another 2g & then came the herx. So here we can be on many different ABX & it will not get to all the forms & get to all the tissues of the body. It is so important to rotate more often & aggressively.
I wish they would just give us flexibility to try this & that on our own.
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Good deal on a solid microscope for anyone who is looking.
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