Maya12
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Hey Gael how long did it take you to feel any improvement on anti parasitics and know for sure that you were on the right track with the right infection?
I feel I am on the right track by what I have seen but just hope for major improvements
So sick of this disease but aren't we all
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It was gradual for me because I had quite a hyperinfection that was misdiagnosed for over 30 yrs. Everyone is different and it depends on how long you were infected.
I had a mass exodus of parasites after 6 mos of lots of antiparasitic herbs, but it was the salt/c that broke the back of the infection.
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Hi Maya, pretty name BTW, same as my daughters, except spelled May. To answer your question, no I am not on any parasite treatments yet, but going to bring it up to ,y llmd at my next apt. And to answer your other question, I am feeling like crap currently unfortunately. Glad to hear that you are feeling some improvement on hummaworm.
Question for lax mom, Gael and Tammy, what all have you taken for parasites and what worked the best. It sounds like some of you do a combination.
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BB - You asked if I thought that the anti-parasitic meds didn't do much for me. They did A LOT for me. I started passing parasites on day 2, and every day after that continuously. But after about 3 months of doing them back to back my hair started to thin terribly. So I switched to herbal and salt/c and seemed to be getting the same results as the meds (meaning I continued to pass parasites daily.) So I have stayed on this herbal path now for about 4 months.
I slacked on my treatment for the month of December but just restarted (and, yes, I am seeing results...passed an 8" worm yesterday. This is crazy!! It still amazes me!). So even though I feel great, I still have a major parasite infection. I will stay on this treatment path for as long as it takes. Then I will do maintenance for life. I am grateful to have my life back.
I'm currently taking Para A tincture and salt/c twice per day.
Maya - Good for you! Keep at it!!
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sorry Maya that was auto corrected, my daughters name is spelled Mya:-)
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Hey Tammy did you herx too on the parasite meds?
How long did it take you to notice major improvements?
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No I did not herx. Just felt better. I noticed improvements right away. Then had some ups and downs, which is normal. Then I just kept getting better and better.
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I have had a few minor improvements so far but just have so many ups and downs
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Tammy, I can't believe after all you've done you just passed an 8 inch worm!
Did you take doxy too while on the anti parasite meds?
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anyone ever get itchey all over when treating parasites?
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Catgirl - I know!! This is nuts! So happy to be getting rid of these bugs that have been way too comfortable for way too long inside of me. No, I did not take doxy. I have not been on abx for years. I really want to rebuild my gut, and abx are contrary to that. I think so much of our health comes from our gut.
Maya - I don't recall feeling all-over itchyness. But it certainly sounds like it could be a normal reaction to parasite die-off.
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also i am passing worms that look like threads and they can be pulled apart into further threads or fibers , they look like the juvanile nematomorphs on the lymephoto webcite what are these?
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they are kind of dark brown or red in color
what kinds of nematomorphs are there and which ones infect humans?
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And can they be seen by the naked eye?
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how do you post a pic on here?
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Tammy: Oh my gosh! If you are still passing worms then how on Earth do we irradicate these suckers?
I remember RZR still sees parasites after doing coffee enemas for a long time.
Are these guys going to be permanent inhabitants regardless of the treatment?????
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My experience has been after I eradicated the larger ones (took mos and mos..maybe even longer, can't remember) then the smaller ones come out of hiding from the tissues.
As described on lymephotos, it can take 3-5 yrs to get rid of this infection, depending on how long you have been infected.
The importance of doing maintenance can't be overstated because if even one egg is left, the cycle will start all over again. The good news is as the infection is eradicated you should be feeling better and better.
I have been infected for over 30yrs, so it has taken me approx 6 yrs. I am 10,000 x better than I was..
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Tammy, thank you for the clarification. I may ask to try antiparasitics first to see if it helps and to see if I pass as anything. Was it difficult to see them?
Did you do coffee enemas daily from the beginning. Also what about heavy metals while killing the parasites? I seem to remember reading somewhere about the parasites releasing heavy metals when they die? Is that true?
And what will you be doing for maintenance against parasites? Than again, dee
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Most of the pictures on lymephotos are microscopic, so how can we compare them to what we see in the toilet? Also there is no scale, so we do not know how big these things are really. Cercaria is as big as nematomorphs on their picture, however in reality cercaria is about 1 mm and nematomorphs can be few meters.
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I gaurantee you they are NOT microscopic. They are as big as they appear in the pictures. Even the red, blue, green and black fiber looking ones can be seen very clearly when they exit.
I have seen these myself and have measured some of the larger appearing ones as big as 8 inches. Nothing better than first hand experience!
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I've only seen a few worms. I'm pretty sure they are hanging on due to all the metals in my body (working on this).
BBinme, Do a search on the babushka principle (Gigi's post). It makes total sense.
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Omg , I have been on humaworm for 5 days now and just passed a 5 inch long worm, uggg
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And I searched the babushka principle but can't find the like , can anyone direct me to it, I would like to read it?
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Lala - mine are far from microscopic. Mine are large, mature worms. Disgusting. Some people may examine their bowel movements and think they maybe see something. Mine are unmistakably parasites, no maybe about it. It makes me wonder how many more tiny microscopic ones I have that I cannot see. Ugh. Freaky to realize I was so infested.
Maya - welcome to the club! You are on your way to getting better. Stick with it.
Catgirl - you are right to remember metals throughout all of this. Thank God for all of Gigi's posts on this. It reminds me I need to stay more on top of binders.
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Hey Tammy thanks and yes I have def joined the worm club
Just talked to my llmd about this too and I am being put on A full parasite protocol in a few months incd allinia and ivermectin and going after biofilms and metals and yeast too.
I am to stay on humaworm till then
So now I am really going to join the club and hit these horrible critters hard
My llmd is now saying that parasites are likely my worst and most prominent problem now and they and the fry bug are what are making me so sick right now, not the Lyme or other cos
She was shocked by what I have passed in only 5 days on humaworm
Llmd doesn't even want me to treat the other infections till I tackle the parasites for at least 6 months and then maintenance after that.
So glad Gael and now others kept talking about this or I never would have known
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Maya - This is all great news! I am so happy to hear your LLMD is on board!!
From all I have learned in my 20 year ordeal, I believe parasites are the primary reason why most of us are ill and cannot get well.
If you are not taking salt/c, I would strongly consider adding this to your protocol.
You are on your way!!!
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Another worm bites the dust. Totally agree with Tammy. Hopefully, more and more people will start treating for parasites.
Adding salt/c will really add to getting these critters on the run. Really encourage everyone who is having success with this to keep posting about it, because it truly can make the difference in someone getting well or not.
Gael
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And I am now officially part of he club, I def feel like I am on the right track now and am even backed by my llmd and llnd, you guys were soooooo, right
And thanks for the support Tammy , I am just taking it slowly but will def add the salt c when I can tolerate it
My llmd wants me to go slow as she says treating parasites can be very difficult and I want to at least not totally loose my marbles lol
But will def add the salt c when I can tolerate iT
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Right on Maya! I am really happy your doc listened and is treating you. Just a heads up on the salt C. There is another post where another member went too fast with it and ended up in a wheel chair. It's on the board right now (salt C). Just go slowly with it.
Thanks Tammy.
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You should have see the dam thing in the toilet there guys, well I know you already have lol
But I just about fell over and then thought to myself screw you worm glad you are dead and out
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And yes my llmd is totally on board , had apparently been doing research on it lately after it was named the number one co infection
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Thanks so much for the help and encouragement guys I really appreciate it
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And thanks so much to Gael , I didnt see your post before
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Hey guys who here has taken allinia ?
What is it like to take it, are there a lot of side effects? Is it hard to tolerate?
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It seemed to work as well as ivermectin did on me. It wasn't hard to tolerate at all (easy). I didn't have any side effect other than yeast.
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So I will ask again, do you have treat heavy metals at the same time as treating for parasites?
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Yes bb I think you do , or at least should try, the worms carry heavy metals and these metal , I think can be released when killing the worms , so it is good to do both
The best thing to do is get an llnd( naturopath) who can help guide you through the heavy metal treatment.
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I have been on diatomaceous earth every day for two years now and I have seen myself some of those nasty macroscopic creatures, so I do not doubt they are there. I only pointed out that microscopic and macroscopic parasites look like they are the same size on lymephotos, which obviously is not realistic. Btw: DE is good for traping HM too.
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Is there anybody who tried DE? If so, what is your experience?
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Can anyone tell me what they experienced with parasite die off, I just have so much body pain today and feel so incoordinated and for some reason I keep having fearful thoughts that my body is totally shutting down on me , that I won't be able to walk or talk anymore.
This is crazy I know but is there any way I am sort of emotionally and physically experiencing what the worms are going through? Can this happen? Is this nutts?
Thought dr k talked about this but I can't remember where.
Also can parasite die off cause brain and body zaps?
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It's not nuts Maya to think that. I remember Dr. K. talking about how these parasites control emotions.
They have evolved over milenia, and are Masters of survival. When a female worm dies it empties out all of it's eggs to hatch a new generation.
That's why i keep emphasizing the extra cloves. I had emotional sobbing for a long time with dieoff and also fearful thoughts. I do believe we can experience what the worms are going through.
I even at some points had empathy for them as I felt them dying. I quickly got hold of myself, because I clearly understood, it's them or me. This is a battle for sure, but one we can win against these invaders.
If you are herxing too hard, you might want to slow down on your tx until the severe herxing stops and then resume. I am sorry you are going through this, but the good news is that you now know the enemy!!
Just know you are on the road to recovery, War is not easy, but you are the General and the Capatain of your ship.
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P. S.
Parasites can cause a lot of pain, brain and body zaps. Coconut oil helped me with pain and also was instrumental with killing yeast.
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Hey Gael thanks so much for all your help and encouraging words above, you always know how to help me.
Can they also cause dizzy spells?
And Gael did you ever experience weakness or in coordination as if your body parts were just not working like you wanted them too or did they feel jellowey and heavy and slow?
Also have a lot of chest pain and muscle tightness today
I have taken a break from the humaworm today
Wonder if I am also hitting babs a bit with the humaworm
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Interesting about the brain and body zaps too and Gael how could you feel them dying?
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Well said Gael! So true. I also experienced a range of emotions. And like Gael said, sometimes even empathy for the dying creatures. I love life and respect all life forms, but I quickly had to change my thinking because it was clear to me I was in the battle for my life.
Maya - as best you can, try to walk every day. I think it is very important to keep things moving (especially the lymphatic system). I find it helps the body deal with it all. Also, try to get on board with daily coffee enemas. I can't emphasize this enough. They made treatment completely tolerable for me....almost a breeze.
BB - my advice is to NOT try to tackle metals at this time. Only take binders to capture metals that are released from the dying parasites. If you try to treat metals further....such as chelation, etc., it will cause them to mobilize and circulate throughout your system and can push you over the edge. Binders are necessary. Mobilizing is not at this stage, I would proceed with caution. And, when the time comes, be sure to be with an experienced practitioner who can guide you through.
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Okay, Y'All, After being placated by my neuro (& many expensive tests), not getting a lot better on abx these last three months, I began to consider parasites. My LLMD agrees.
BTW, thanks to lax mom and Gael, I have been looking at my stools, and I'm pretty sure I passed small liver flukes and some other little white worm-things. How gross...and fascinating at the same time.
Monday I see a local naturopath (in my llmd's office) who will do tons of muscle testing, which I still hold a bit of skepticism regarding, and who will discuss parasites with me.
How did any of you get medical tests/stool cultures done? I realize it's a truly crappy topic, pun intended, but my LLMD said there is one test that insurance will cover and one that is around $170-200 and is more accurate. What did you do, anyone?
Thanks to all of you. Toes days when I begin to once again think I'm just crazy, I get on here and feel I'm not the only experiencing the rollercoasters of these confections (that word was autocorrect's answer to co-infections!).
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Save your money! I was tested over the years and the tests were all negative. I, however was LOADED with parasites.
Treating parasites after 4 yrs of abx were not getting me well saved my life. See what the muscle testing comes up with.
Gael
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I had my daughter with "Crohn's Colitis" do this last year. They found Charcot-Leyden Crystals in her sample but no parasites themselves. I've learned that these crystals almost always are a by-product of parasites in the GI system.
I also emailed back and forth with the owner of www.badbugs.org and they have only connected these crystals with ENTAMOEBA HISTOLYTICA. Muscle testing a couple years ago said this and I didn't believe them! Ugh.
After antibiotics, lots of flagyl and herbs and SCDiet, she has no clinical GI symptoms of Crohn's Colitis!
I highly recommend this lab!
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I am so happy about how well everyone is doing on parasite treatment.
I started salt/c about 8 days ago. I am not sure what I am seeing. Could just be undigested food.....I have no idea.
But Gael I have a question about coconut oil. How much did you take to help you with yeast?
I recently added cipro again and am very yeasty for sure.
Also I would like to know how long until you see things in your stool? I know some of these parasites are microscopic but it seems as though many who successfully treated parasites saw some indication that it was working in the first couple of days (or at least the first week)
Also, I feel very constipated......I am drinking lots of water, but this is never an issue for me. What do you do for this and is it a common side effect (I assume the salt is dehydrating).
Thanks!!!!
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Thank you to all of you! What wonderful information you have shared!
I was just getting ready to ask what anitparasites you were using and what you thought. I'm researching these before my next appt so we can start working on this possible issue. The more I research, I'm thinking parasites could be an issue for me.
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