Topic: FLU Season is coming! anyone getting the Flu Vaccine
sixgoofykids
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quote:Originally posted by steve1906: Overwhelmed---Let me know if anyone is interested in my symptoms.
Sure!
? Do you have the flu now?
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I understand the concept behind getting the flu shot. I do. I also understand the concept of getting the whooping cough vaccine. It's just that as far as I have seen, there is no proof that they actually work!
In recent outbreaks of whooping cough, the majority of the people who got it were vaccinated. The flu vaccine also doesn't have studies proving it's efficacy.
I would prefer to optimize my own immune system.
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steve1906
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The Dangers of Tamiflu
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Studies Show Flu Vaccines are Also Ineffective and NOT an Ideal Form of Prevention
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steve1906
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September 21, 2013 The Flu Shot Horror Story:
The Flu Shot Horror Story: How one little shot unearthed my anxiety.
¶ Tagged Anxiety, Conditions and Diseases, couldn't breathe, Health, ignorance, Infectious Diseases, Influenza, Influenza vaccine, October, social construction, United States, VCD, vocal chord paralysis ¶ Leave a comment This post is about the flu shot’s impact on my life, and how it changed the way I see the healthcare system in the United States.
I knew that anxiety had always been apart of my life to some extent. At one point I thought it was normal to have the level of anxiety that I experienced in my daily life. Anxiety runs in my family. Later, I learned that anxiety can stay dormant for a long time until its triggered. And the flu shot is what triggered it.
In 2010 I got the flu shot around October. I walked in around 3:00 pm in the afternoon and got the shot around 3:30 after signing consent forms. Around 3:45 I started feeling short of breath walking down the hallway towards the exit of the clinic. My mom looked at me and asked if I was okay. We ended up leaving and driving home, even though I felt odd.
I remember sitting on the couch with a blanket, gasping for air like a fish out of water. My mom called the help line at the clinic to try and get some answers and I talked to the nurse on the end of the line. She asked me several questions because she suspected that I was having an allergic reaction. “Are your lips swollen?”
“Are you having trouble breathing?” “Do you have a rash?” She hung up. I don’t exactly remember what my dad told me, however I do remember that It was something along the lines of disbelieving that I couldn’t breathe correctly.
When my mom told him that she made an appointment for me that night at the after hours care, he was angry. Trust me, I’m not one to do something to get attention or to be dramatic. I guess it was just easier to draw the easiest conclusion then to look for what what actually wrong.
Basically I ended up going to the doctor’s urgent care office 3 times that week. Meaning that, every doctor I went to was different because the urgent doctors worked after hours and rotated on a schedule.
The first two times I visited I was diagnosed with asthma by two elderly doctors who were wise and knowledgeable. I trusted their diagnose but the inhalers and nebulizer they gave me offered me no relief, and the idea of breathing in medication gave me terrible anxiety.
At my third visit, I was met by a young Asian doctor. She actually spent more then 5 minutes in the room (Yay! Progress).
She asked me where my throat was tight and I pointed to the lower part of my throat. She nodded. Then she asked me to describe my symptoms. I told her it felt like my breath was getting caught in my throat every time I breathed in. She nodded again and smiled. Her diagnosis was something called Vocal Chord Dysfunction.
VCD happens when the vocal chords close at the wrong time and stop someone from getting a full breath. It is not harmful but it can be scary.
I asked her if it was caused by the flu shot and she said there was no proof that it was. But why wouldnt she explain to me why it happened? You cant link a “side effect” to the flu shot unless it is widely reported and proven. Often times, potential side effects are not even reported by health care providers. So, here starts my anxiety and obsessive researching.
I became a hypochondriac, although, to be fair to national health organizations, I was technically predisposed to have an anxiety disorder.
I refused to take medication for fear that I would die from a side effect or something unexplained. I still have problems taking aspirin for headaches. Totally irrational. I researched and researched unexplained deaths relating to the flu shot.
Do you know how many people get the flu shot, and then die soon afterwards for reasons that are unexplained? Its recorded, just not reported. So ignorant America can continue to get the flu shot even though it may cause harm. Critical constructionism at its finest; Health Care Organizations (distributors of medication) help doctors get more moola.
Why would they question something that gets them more money and that is so widely accepted? So they dont, and people continue to get side effects, and the flu shot is never brought up as a problem, only a solution to a problem: the flu. I’m not the first one to have vocal chord problems after getting the flu shot! Heres a man who had his vocal chord paralyzed after the flu shot:
1/100,000 people a year are reported getting it. However, these numbers are suspected to be much higher because many cases are not reported. Anyways, after a couple of weeks the VCD mysteriously went away and… I felt okay again. But my anxiety was still there. I will never get the flu shot again.
I just want to bring attention to the dangers of the flu shot, and any shot! Don’t be so ignorant. Don’t be a sheep that follows the group. QUESTION EVERYTHING. Even something so common in today’s society: the flu shot.
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Wow, TC, I had NO idea that problems with mercury were known back in the '30s!!!
How many here remember picking up those little balls of mercury when the glass thermometer fell on the floor?
Yikes! I must've done that at least 5 or 6 times as a kid. Makes you wonder.
Thanks for starting this thread Steve. Always a good idea to bring this subject up this time of year when flu shots are being pushed at every turn.
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and colds. The immune system is on over drive with
Lyme so it fights the bugs that people that don't
have lyme usually get sick from. That's how it
was explained to me.
- True for me.
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Tincup & Beachers, I didn't know this, so I did a little research. Thanks for the info!
Mercury Dangers Known Since the 1930's Archived documents from Eli Lilly & Company recently surfaced as part of a pending lawsuit, clearly showing that the dangers of the Thimerosal product were known as early as the 1930’s — but ignored by Lilly.
Thimerosal, the mercury-based vaccine preservative, has recently been linked to the onset of neurological injury in infants.
According to the documents, Lilly secretly sponsored a “Human toxicity” study in September 1930, which enabled them to get a jump on marketing products that contained Thimerosal. The study was done on patients already known to be dying of meningococcal meningitis.
“Lilly then cited this study repeatedly for decades as proof that ‘Thimerosal was of low toxicity and harmless to humans’,” according to Andrew Waters, senior partner of the Dallas-based law firm, Waters and Kraus.
Lilly never revealed the highly questionable nature of its research to the public or the scientific community; nor did they make public the rising concerns of other researchers, about the potential hazard Thimerosal could have on humans who are either exposed to Thimerosal or have received injections containing Thimerosal, such as vaccines.
Lilly was repeatedly advised that their conclusions were unwarranted, and as evidence showed, Lilly ignored the warnings and failed to pass the information to appropriate federal and public health authorities.
Lilly’s internal documents also showed they ignored reported cases of skin burns that were the result of Thimerosal reacting with vaccines that contain aluminum; as well as ignoring the 1982 advance notice by the FDA, “Thimerosal has been found to be more toxic for human epithelial cells in vitro than mercuric chloride, mercuric nitrate and merbromim. Thimerosal was 35.3 times more toxic for embryonic chick heart tissue than for staphylococcus areus.”
Waters & Kraus is litigating cases throughout the country involving infants who developed neurological damage after receiving Thimerosal-containing pediatric vaccines.
_________________________________________________ Flu Shots: What’s In the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine? Due to the controversy over safety, childhood vaccines, other than the flu shot, no longer contain Thimerosal in the United States. http://www.decodedscience.com/flu-shot-ingredients/24623
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my llmd said absolutely no live vaccines (bacteria) are to injected into my compromised blood already overwhelmed fighting off (with limited success) other bacteria.
also, a family member has a blood cancer, and the oncologist said that no one who receives a flu or shingles vaccine can be around the cancer patient for quite awhile after the shot is administered. the live bacteria is dangerous to be near let alone receive. definitely, additional cause for caution and worth talking to your doctor if you have a family member / close friend is being treated for cancer...
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Every time a nurse at the VA asks me if I want the flu shot I say, "I've got type 2 diabetes, neuropathy, stage 3 kidney disease from herbicide exposure in the Southeast Asia war theater. Don't you think the government has experimented on me enough?"
Then they mark the "declined" box.
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I got the flu shot last year, it was free. I felt very odd and had an increase in all symptoms after I got it.
And then months later in late January I got the flu anyways. It's insane to inject yourself with the flu virus and my doctor agrees. Stupid. Don't do it
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Has anyone heard of the homeopathic flu pellets?
Apparently, it is claimed they are "made using the same flu strain identified each year by the CDC, and are powerful preventives that don’t carry the potential side-effects of the conventional flu shot."
A friend's homeopathic doc recommended these as a safe alternative to the flu shot. I'm wondering if its worth taking?? Any thoughts?
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Exactly, Clint. Many who get the shot get sick anyway.
happyday.. yes, I have some of those on hand. Just in case.
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Simple answer from my LLMD. Don't do it. Our immune systems aren't strong enough for it. Not to mention that so much is coming out now about why it may not be a good option for ANYONE.
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This note is just for informational purposes only:
I have read hundreds of posts online about flu shots when one has Lyme and or Co’s.
It seems like it’s the same old thing, everyone is different.
I have found that some of us get the shot and have no problems.
I have also found that some get it and get very, very sick right afterwards, or shortly after. Most LLMD’s say (no) do-not get it.
Some say get it, if you never had problems in the past.
I think at less 97% of regular healthcare doctors, nurses etc., say get it.
I know we have some members here that work in the healthcare workforce.
Let us know if you have no choose in getting the shot because of your job. I know most, if not all, are forced to get it.
With that said… I’ve read that some healthcare workers get a medical note from their LLMD’s, does that work?
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Anyone got a cold or flu...
I've had a cold for a week now, feels like a mini flu.
lots of coughing, nose - throat...just feel miserable
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I will never get any vaccine ever again due to it "causing" my lyme symptoms years ago when I got them for nursing school.
No one knows what is in those shots! I did get the flu last year and it sucked for about a week but I got Tamiflu and it helped greatly. I also learned to let the fever run its course. I was taking a fever reducer but my fever kept coming back, only after I let it run did I get better in 24 hours.
Our bodies are meant to fix naturally, putting foreign vaccines in them is something I will never do again!
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Not for me. I've been fortunate to only have the flu once *knock on wood* in my 37 years. So based on that and how I feel about the flu vaccine, I don't think it is worth the risk.
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I allways get the shot. I have not had trouble with it. Maybe till this year.
I was in a wreck and got the flu shot within a week of each other.
I have been worse than in years extreme joint pain everywhere.
Neck stif and poping ,back messed up , left shoulder like my arm will fall off, feet hurting and poping,left hand like a bone is broken in my rist,ect.
I just don't know why i am so bad off now!!!
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Nope! Did it one year and got very sick. I just have a really strong gut feeling it is not a good idea for chronic lyme patients. I know that going on "gut" isn't 'medical proof', but after 17 years I just have to listen to it sometimes.
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quote:Originally posted by Carmen:
Another thing is to keep your vitamin D3 levels up. I like to keep it around 70 to 80.
. YES! There is an article about a care facility whose patients were getting D3 supplements, and those patients did not get influenza.
But their other group of patients DID NOT get D supplements, and many of them got the flu. I'll come back and add a link when I find the article.
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I've also heard that nursing home patients receiving B12 shots have a much lower incidence of infections.
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There is mercury in the flu shot. Mercury, no matter how small, is the worse thing you could possibly give someone whose immune system is compromised. It's extremely toxic.
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My LLMD advised me not to get it for the last few years. Last year I was very sick with the flu and some Lyme symptoms reared their ugly head. it took me over month to be functional. I got it from my husband who felt better in a week!
So this year I had my flu shot in Sept.and I have had no problems and hopefully will be more guarded against that nasty flu.
I also take lots of Vit C,etc. but it doesn't aways help. I think the flu shot has gotten a bad reputation from the Lyme community. Believe me if you had a case of the flu like I did you might think twice abut getting the flu vaccinaton.
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I think we all got the flu already. I slept one whole day, my husband 2 days, my daughter is starting now.
She still hasn't missed school and still riding her bike in freezing temperatures to go to school. Let's see.
None of us have lyme anymore.
During lyme, we never caught any flu, nor even colds, that I remember. Ever since lyme got dormant, we catch colds here and then, like other mortals.
Vit D3 is a big help, we are taking MMS homeopathic too (didn't prevent the flu, but so far not too bad), propolis.
I'd rather take the flu than any vaccine. I have no doubt about that. My parents keep taking this awful vaccine, they get the flu anyway.
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Mercury is only the tip of the iceburg of nasty stuff in the flu shot. Best to fully look into it.
Your best defense against the flu is having sufficiently high blood levels of vitamin D3 and vitamin c.
My mom got paralized from the waste down after the 1976 flu vaccine. She recovered but some remain paralized to this day.
Lyme compromises the immune system. Vaccines only comprimise it more as clearly seen in those cases of autism that are vaccine induced. I watched children die in hopsital after polio vaccines due to total paralysis and swelling of the brain.
Oh the things they don't tell you. Ive been there to see them first hand.
Working to build my system is my approach.
Cant tell you how many people I have seen get sick after getting the flu shot. Ive also seen many die from the complications of flu after having the shot, and these are generaly the elderly who get the flu even after getting the vaccine. I won't go near it with a 10 foot pole.
Flu Vaccine: What Else is In There?
The flu shot also contains the following ingredients: sodium phosphate – buffered isotonic sodium chloride solution, formaldehyde, octylphenol ethoxylate, and gelatin, according to the FDA. The influenza virus is grown in chicken eggs and scientists collect the virus and inactivate it by using formaldehyde. They then purify the influenza virus and suspend it in a sugar solution before splitting it with oxtylphenol ethoxylate. After splitting, the scientists purify the virus once more, then suspend it in a salt solution (sodium phosphate – buffered isotonic sodium chloride) and use gelatin to help keep the viruses stable and potent during storage.
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Totally agree about not getting the vaccine when you have any kind of illness. But there are good public health reasons for healthy people to get vaccinated.
Many of those vaccinated will still come down with the flu, but if it statistically reduces the number of carriers in a population, this will protect those who are more vulnerable to infection. (Good point about family members of cancer patients needing to avoid it, though.)
We agreed that my husband, who has TBI, wouldn't get it, but that I, as a healthy spouse, would. I was easily able to get the preservative-free (i.e., mercury free) vaccine.
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I've read some articles lately about the flu vaccine; one says that last year's vaccine was largely ineffective, particularly in people over 65. Another one said that the flu vaccine has a very poor performance overall. I have always gotten the flu shot, but now that I'm in treatment for LD, I think I'll pass.
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The flu knocks you down for a few days, if you take enough vitamins, propolis, etc.
The vaccine may knock you down forever.
Sorry to know, Carmen, that your mom got paralised... Did she recover after or was it permanent? That's a shame.
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I was recently at a new doc's office (not Lyme related). The nurse was asking me a bunch of questions.
She asked if I got the flu shot. I said I did not. Then she asked me if I believed in the flu shot!
I said "Is that an actual question on your form??" She said it was! I said that no, I did not believe in the flu shot as I had enough crap already floating around in my body and I didn't need more. I told her that I just try to keep my Vit D level up.
I didn't go into detail regarding DD having a horrendous reaction to the flu vaccine years ago. It was recommended for her b/c of her asthma. Never did it after that.
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She recovered after about 3 or 4 weeks from the paralysis if I recall correctly. She didnt tell me about it till a few years after it happened.. thats my mom for ya. I think it had some stuff in it for the swine flu. Like I said, about 500 didnt recover. You can search it on the net for flu vaccine 1976.
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Anthropologista, my parents take the vaccines every year, and almost every year suffer from awful flu. They are both more than 74 years old, in bad health.
The flu shot does not protect them, and I wonder why they keep taking it. They say it is free and their doc recommends it for them.
My father sometimes takes a month to get over the flu. And what is crazy, is that the symptoms may start DAYS after the flu shot, which makes me think that it is CAUSED by the shot!!!
They think docs are gods, so they believe they would be worst without the shots.
If you know how SMALL a virus is, in the limit of being just an organic molecule or alive, you will wonder how to 'kill' it or deactivate it.....
A bacteria is a HUGE being in comparison, a complete developed life more close to us with internal organized organs, than to a virus. It is much easier to kill a bacteria, that is alive, than a virus, that becomes 'alive' only in the presence of a host.
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An ND I used to see recommended
1 tablet Gripp-Heel (Blue snowflake on white box)
1 tablet Engystol (Orange swirl on yellow box)
Once weekly throughout the winter.
She said it was the natural version of the flu vaccine, it boosted and stimulated the immune system.
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I've heard some people already have the flu this year!!! I got a really bad cold about three weeks ago, it lasted 2-1/2 weeks.
After that sinus problems, (still)...
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I see some people already have the (Flu):
Here's some things that may help a little>
Stay home and rest
•Drink plenty of liquids - this will help to replace the fluid lost from fever and sweating.
•Take medication for your symptoms - your pharmacist can help you choose the right over-the-counter medicine. (Make sure you mention if you have a chronic illness or are taking other medication.)
•Gargle - to help a sore throat, gargle with a glass of warm water mixed with a half-teaspoon of salt. Throat lozenges are also effective.
•Wash your hands often to protect others
Eat:
Chicken Soup Popsicles Vegetable Juice Garlic Honey Yogurt Ginger Hot Tea Bananas Toast Mushrooms Selenium - Brazil nuts
Meal Replacement Drinks If your appetite has returned, try one of these to make sure you're getting proper nutrients and calories. Look for lactose-free drinks with at least 6 grams of protein and that are low in sugar. Flavors like strawberry and chocolate may make getting essential vitamins, nutrients, and calories more attractive.
Orange juice with the pulp - vitamin C and folic acid, will help to boost immunity.
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I got the flu vaccine (preservative free, single dose version) right before Thanksgiving and did fine, no side effects.
My very well known LLMD and my immunologist recommended that I get it this year as I have a severe immune deficiency (CVID).
My immunologist is one of the top in the country so I trust her fully. She says that research on immune deficient people only has shown that can help protect me from the flu and reduce my chances of developing pneumonia this winter.
For me, a severe virus like flu or a pneumonia could easily be life threatening. These are the top reasons why people with immune deficiencies die.
So I got the shot and my family also got it to further protect me. None of us had a reaction.
When I was working, I always got the shot. The only time I got sick was my first year of college when I forgot to get the shot! I was so miserable, It almost set me back in school. I never forgot a shot again.
Last year I didn't get a shot and I got the flu. I was sick for over a month with high fevers, cough, body pain, could hardly eat, etc, and was bed ridden. I had to lean on my mom to care for me because I was totally helpless. It was horrible. I never want to repeat that or worse.
The flu is not something to mess around with when you are already sick with Lyme and co. and an immune deficiency.
I also took all the immune boosting herbs and supplements and it wasn't enough to protect me.
So for those on the fence about getting the shot. Don't be scared. Not everyone has reactions, if they did, no one would get the shot and it would be pulled off the market!!! Most people are fine.
It helps me so I'm grateful for it.
There's 2 pages of anti vaccine info here so please, no one attack my post. Thank you. Remember we are all here to help each other and share info and experiences EQUALLY. Thanks
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Sammy, If anyone attacks your reply, so be it. Remenber, everyone has an opinion on everything we discuess here.
Thank you for sharing! I'm glad no one in your family got sick from the shot.
Keep up the vit. C........
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Sammy, I think the difference is that you are severely immune-compromised. I rarely get anything communicable, so I am better off without the vaccines.
Some with Lyme are like me, and some are like you. So we must take care of ourselves in our own unique ways!
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