Also, Phoiph, I don’t ascribe to anything Tucker Carlson says or his guests. He is an election denier, a Covid denier, a racist, and a sexist man who harasses women. He only believes right wing extremism. So he has bought into exactly what the YouTube video is talking about.
One point of the YouTube you posted was that with mass formation the information has to be correct for the movement or belief to survive. And the small group has to speak out. Look at the mess in the House of Representatives right now as an example.
Desmet said that during Covid lockdowns in nursing homes children were not allowed to see their dying parents because of being “brainwashed” ( my term not his) Well, my father died in 2020 in the nursing home and I was allowed in every day to visit with him. So, even that isn’t true—at least in my case.
But each person has to decide what they believe is true.
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Hiker,
I'm not at all interested in, nor do I care who did the interview, only what Desmet had to say, which resonated with me.
I'm sorry, I don't understand the example or analogy you're trying to make with the House of Representatives, so can't comment on that.
Regarding Lyme, it is well documented that biowarfare experimentation was taking place in the 1950's on ticks, which was commissioned by our government (research Erich Traub).
Borrelia has been around for a long, long time, but it wasn't until it was weaponized that it became so devastating.
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Phoiph, who does the interview is important because Carlson only gets people on his show that share his beliefs. And his beliefs are very extreme.
But Desmet didn’t resonate with me, regardless of who did the interview.
I won’t even try to explain my comments about the House of Representatives. Every link you post related to this discussion has been from far right wing websites so we are worlds apart.
I don’t doubt that experiments for biowarfare were conducted at Plum Island. But am not convinced that Lyme came from there.
But it doesn’t bother me if anyone believes that.
I would rather focus on curing Lyme and Chronic Lyme because the origin can’t be proved.
So, we disagree. That’s okay.
I do appreciate how you reach out and try to help people and give explanations of how Hyperbaric therapy helped you.
Have a good afternoon. Beautiful in my neck of the woods.
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Hiker,
Just to be clear, if you're suggesting that I'm "far right wing" because of the links I've posted, you would be wrong.
In searching for what resonates as true to me, I try not to "shoot the messenger" in knee-jerk fashion.
Although I consider the source, I try to look beyond who's doing the interviewing, posting, or researching to analyze the specific information being presented to form my own viewpoint.
As you said, each person has to decide their truth, and I am happy to agree to disagree.
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Phoiph, my intent was not to accuse you of being a right winger.
Nor do I have a knee jerk reaction to certain websites or I wouldn’t have listens to the hour + YouTube interview of Desmet.
But I do consider the source important. I would guess that if the CDC promoted a Lyme vaccine a lot of us would pretty quickly say “no way” due the CDC’s lack of credibility with Lyme.
But you will find that it is the extreme right wing that pushes the mass formation theory sometimes called mass psychosis. It is pushed by Joe Rogan, for example, among others.
And I find it interesting that Desmet claims that around 94% of academic publications are incorrect but yet, his own is correct. Red flag to me there.
Here are some sites I found interesting on the subject. Read them or not.
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Hiker,
Desmet's work is an academic theory. There is no right or wrong here, only differing opinions, as are expressed in your links.
I understand that this theory did not resonate with you as it did for me, and that we often see the "big picture" through different lenses.
That is OK!
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Hiker, I am just reading this now. Sorry for the delay. Actually, a law was passed by our illustrious Governor and legislature a few years ago. There are no exemptions to the vaccines for children going to school. Parents either vaccinate their kids or they do not attend school. No exceptions/exemptions.
I was amazed that parents were not outraged by this. I expected them to be vocal. They were not.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Phoiph: [QB] kgg, Agreed...and how could we trust when even our own suffering from Lyme disease was caused by government experimentation?
Exactly, Phoiph. I have a physician friend who has chronic Lyme. When this stuff all started happening I posed that question to her in a email. She has witnessed first hand what the government and medical establishment has done with Lyme. She still is pro vaccine. She drank the Kool-Aid. She has not called me in 3 years. So be it.
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Lastly, Hiker, I would encourage you to watch the video without prejudice. Because this very same approach will be used against Christians. It has begun already. I see you have a scripture reference in your signature. So I assume it will be of interest to you.
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Kgg This is Maine’s Department of Education 2023 website for vaccines for school aged children which includes medical exemptions. I suggest you read it carefully without prejudice.
Illinois still has religious exemptions but Maine doesn’t.
9 vaccines required in Maine depending on the age (but not flu or Covid vaccine)
About the aerosol mrnavaccine: Any inhaled vaccine has to be a controlled dose, so spraying everyone without permission wouldn’t work. This has only been tested on animals.
Kgg: I watched the entire video with Desmet and I simply don’t agree with it. Yes, I am a Christian but that doesn’t mean I agree with the video.
Even Christians differ in some beliefs. And persecution of Christians began when Christianity began and will continue. Ex: 2 Thessalonians chapters 1 & 2 as well as 2 Timothy 3:12 (and many other verses)
And just because someone is pro vaccine doesn’t mean they “have drunk the koolaid” and are wrong. I won’t get the flu vaccine. I chose to get the Covid vaccine.
And I don’t particularly like the phrase “drunk the koolaid” as it comes from the mass suicide initiated by Jim Jones and implies “reckless devotion.”
I still have relationships with friends who are anti-vaccine and we talk and see each other regularly because we have agreed that even if we don’t agree on something there is no reason to be angry and not be friends. Some things aren’t worth losing a friendship over no matter how strongly one feels about it.
I have friends who believe Lyme started at Plum Island. That is their opinion. I still love them dearly and we talk frequently.
And by the way neither the flu vaccine or Covid vaccine is required in Maine schools.
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Religious exemptions were removed. Good luck finding a physician who will give a parent a medical exemption. The medical board will pull their license. No the flu and covid vaccine were not mandated per say. If a school age kid wanted to go without a mask they had to get both the vaccine and the booster. Then the social pressure of still wearing a mask.
Yes, many drink the Kool-Aid. They believe in the narrative that is being put out by the media. I am sorry if it offends you. Are you familiar with the "great deception"? We have witnessed how it works.
That's it. I am done. I regret getting involved with this discussion. I truly did not intend to offend. I am sorry for offending you. Take good care
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Kgg,
Thank you for getting involved in the discussion and presenting another viewpoint. It is important to speak out and keep this discussion open, as the narrative is very one sided.
I feel especially strongly about this today.
Yesterday morning, I received the news that my previously healthy 63 year old ex-coworker died in her sleep the night before. The preliminary diagnosis is pulmonary embolism.
The second blow was that my best friend's previously healthy grandson, 19, passed out at the wheel and wrapped his car around a tree. Preliminary diagnosis is cardiomyopathy/heart failure.
Both had recently received mRNA boosters required for their jobs.
The families are in shock and not even aware of the possible connections.
The death certificate will likely read "natural causes" and nothing will be further questioned, investigated, or reported.
This, on top of all of the referrals I receive from mRNA vaccine injured people for help with hyperbaric, is heartbreaking.
With mRNA manufacturers immune from liability, it is unlikely the public will hear about these many incidents, or that they will be investigated and reported properly.
People have the right to INFORMED choice about the risks of their health decisions, with full disclosure and freedom from coercion.
We will never achieve this without speaking out.
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That is sooo sad!! How hard for you!
Fortunately, there are more and more physicians who are speaking out and telling truth. The problem is that they are not in the mainstream medicine nor mainstream news. So people are not hearing it.
I know of two physicians who take medical research and discuss the research paper. Ironically, most of the research is not done in the US because of the horrible bias. Anyway, the research is showing the destructive nature of the vaccine and the spike protein.
One physician explains the mechanism that is described in the research paper. The other speaks on the statistics of people having adverse reactions. Both are eye opening, imo.
One physician surmised that many times if you do not have an immediate adverse reaction to the vaccine, typically you will have a reaction 175 days later. By then, people do not correlate their new health problem with the vaccine.
I believe that the pharmaceutical companies at least owe a livelihood to the victims of their vaccine. Who no longer can hold a job. Never mind afford the health care they now require. If they can't be made to pay damages they should at least be helping these people.
We live in painful times. I am so sorry for you loss, Phoiph.
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Thank you, kgg...I just feel so sorry for the families.
The 19 year old has survived thus far, but now has a head injury from the accident on top of the sudden heart failure. Who knows what his future will look like.
Good to hear that you know of physicians who are working to bring us more complete information. Hopefully, this will lead to some enlightenment and compensation for victims.
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It might be the vaccine or it might be they had Covid at some point which did damage.
I have friend who had Covid and has permanent lung and heart damage. And I have 5 friends who died of Covid prior to omicron becoming the main strain.
It is so hard to tell what is the cause but whatever the cause I am sorry.
Fewer and fewer employers are requiring the Covid vaccine for employees and the ones that do are mainly health care workers.
Once the virus became less dangerous I changed my stance on mandating the Covid vaccine. And I don’t feel kids and teens need it at all.
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Thank you, hiker.
I agree that it could be Covid, the mRNA therapy, or both.
I definitely include the entities responsible for unleashing Covid-19 on the world (purposefully or accidentally) with those who should compensate victims.
The whole thing has changed the world, ended or ruined countless lives, but there is no accountability.
I don't understand how this could be acceptable or defensible by anyone's standards.
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Well, if Covid came from China how do you hold them accountable?
I think what is so hard is that scientists have had to learn as they go with Covid and the vaccines. As more information is gathered it gets added in. And that is why I have changed my mind about vaccine mandates.
I also feel and have always felt the lockdowns were too harsh. But I didn’t mind the mask mandates at all.
I never dreamed the one flu vaccine I had in my life would bring Lyme roaring back and cause me all sorts of problems that affect my balance. Only got it because my brother had been so sick with the flu and he begged me.
I did have a 13 year old student who died of cardiomyopathy years before Covid and the Covid vaccine. And a colleague’s 19 year old sister had a major stroke to an embolism years ago.
So many weird incidents and hard to know what to attribute them to.
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Covid-19 may have originated in China, but it is well documented that other entities (including those in the US), were directly involved in the "Gain of Function" research and the subsequent misinformation and cover-up about the origin.
Also, scientists could've learned much faster if professionals COULD have gathered and shared information and learned from each other, rather than being censored and threatened. There were many benign treatments that were working, yet only invasive measures (e.g., ventilators) were allowed.
Yes, an inordinate amount of "weird incidents", and hard to know what to attribute them to when we are not privy to the full picture.
It is a mess, and I'm not convinced that we will ever know the full story.
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Actually Covid came from Fauci & his mad scientists. Wuhan lab was the final destination when released. Whether that was intentional or accidental/negligence.
Law breaking galore was going on at the hands of Fauci across the world. Judgement day, and I pray the truth comes out before, is going to be glorious.
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Interesting article on "Medical Gaslighting"...many Lyme sufferers are already familiar with this tactic:
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