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I got several private emails with questions so I think I will just post info here. Remember folks, I am not a doctor - just trying to get myself over this miserable disease.
Nearly any catalog/online veterinary supply will carry penicillin. You can google to find some of them. Usually 2 kinds - the straight Procaine G and bicillin (bi means two - makes it easier to remember what you need) which is the Procaine G PLUS Pen G Benzathine. I've seen several brands. It comes in a bottle with multiple doses (several sizes). You will also need to get needles and syringes - also available in the catalogs.
I was at Tractor Supply the other day and checked - they have a small fridge near their horse supplies where they keep vaccines, etc. and they had both kinds in there.
I cannot vouch for safety here - using myself as a guniea pig I guess. So far, so good.
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Kayda, the fish tank pills are called Fish Flex...it says it is packed by Thomas Labs.
Cephalexin monohydrate...250 mg
The bottle says for control of bacterial infections in fish.
I don't know any more than that.... But it did get rid of kennel cough.
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I know a vet who has lyme disease. Now disabled and unable to work, on disability and on medicaid. Medicaid won't cover zithromax (thinks a z-pak is equivalent!) Told the llmd that it would cost $300 a month for zithromax, llmd asked if it was available through ved med supply. Unfortunately it is not available for animals at this time.
What I was surprised at was apparently the patient and doctor have had this discussion about substituting vet meds for human ones before!
Don't know the details if they have done it before, but sounds like they both thought it was OK!
Good luck! MommaK
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I swear this is the honest truth,,,!! Back in the 80's and early 90's we had a vet that point blank was a no nonsense type guy.
He swore he and his wife hadnt been to a doc for so long they couldnt remember when. They took animal abx off their shelf when the 'need' arose!!!
Back when I raised a certain type of animal you gave them iron shots when first born. They took the iron OFF the market cause it had to be labeled for human use and their package was defective
,,,a plastic vial,,,that leaked on somebodies hand. Couldnt buy it for well over a year till they corrected the package,,,nothing wrong with the iron inside,,,
the package didnt meet specs,,,all because some iron leaked on somebodies hand(((REALLY harmless stuff on your skin))))
I knew a guy who took the pen procaine as shots in his derriere for a long time and improved his lyme condition. AND I respect this guy very much and his decission to do so. ALL based on cost!!!
Have wondered,,,I do have a 'strange' stomach and 'always' needed 3 times abx for like dental infection,,,years before lyme!!
Can a too acidic of stomach or wrong PH of same or a malfunctioning gall bladder,pancreas, etc, cause abx to be ineffective???
All oral abx I took for years and years seemed of ZERO benefit and results. I may as well of gave them to my pet rock for the good they did me!!
LLMD remarked one time,,,how can you tolerate all that flagyl you are able to work up too??? NO one else can take that much,,,and not at least herx!!!
So the shots would bypass the stomach part. Would this be poosible to take IM Biacillin and try that?? Orally I may as well save my breath!!
I am taking massive doses of Amoxi right now trying to clear up a dental area infection,,,took a million,,,NO result!!!
Are SOME people unable to take a pill and make it work as intended?? Is that something metabolism related???
I am following this thread like a hawk,,,I MUST need to see a vet at ONCE!!!being--just don--
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Hey Don, did your Dr check for co-infections? Yeast overgrowth also?
Treating those first can make a world of difference...I was amazed after treating Babs how meds worked differently on me. Or should I say worked?
...and Don, can you remember when there were MORE abx on the shelves of farm supply stores? They've cut back considerably. Scares the bejeebers out of me--all this big brother stuff.
OK, the skinny on the border. I was there just a month ago. They are not requiring passports until January of 2008. Passports You do need ID, but rarely do they check it.
If you are going there, go in the morning to avoid the masses and the one guy at the desk who's considerably overworked!
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With them going after our docs and new guidelines I am afeared this will have to be the norm for treatment. Docs arent gonna touch us in a few years and a few more cases.remaining--just don--
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Hi, Have you asked your LLMD if there is any difference? I couldn't possibly afford Bicillin and am now buying them across the border. Not online! But actually going to the foregin pharmacies. Much cheaper and made by a well known pharmaceutical company that makes many medications. I was amazed to see the phamaceutical brand, as I have other meds by them. I asked my doctor, he approved and with a letter from him, explaining and illness and reason you can legally bring them home. I Just got them, haven't had time to start as I need to get syringes etc.. as well. There is nothing I can find different either in my reasearch online, nothing but good actually. Many US pharmacies are multi national and supply many other countries. Of course anyone considering this, check with you LLMd for approval. We found the only difference was the Bicillin might be slightly weaker, which is fine for me to start on. Good luck with your vet meds - we do what we have to do to get well. But like I did, I'd have my LLMD take a look at it and see what he notices any differences. Meg are you taking Bicillin from there as well? How is working out for you? Take care.
Has this worked ?? Can you provide any info on how this is done? Please Pm me if any one here knows. Thank You.
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As a vet tech I can tell you I have taken Animal meds and have given my meds to my dogs. We buy generic meds (or brand), the same as any pharmacy.
I would not hesitate giving myself Veterinary meds..
I have given plenty of Bicilin to animals too.
I would just say use caution and research things carefully.
Just FYI
Dogs and cats can not take all human meds such as Tylenol, advil, Ibuprofen. These meds can cause death!
Melissa
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I went against all "normal" protocol for Bicillin useage (not vet, but another type) and in 7 shots my CD57 shot up more than 80 some points to 140. My LLMD commented with a jump like that I killed more than just Lyme...hmmm. You have to ask yourself, is what we all are "trained" to believe to know as truth, wrong? I found it was in my case, I am glad I did. LLMD's are just Md's who are willing to listen and try, without any real answers in the end, or we'd all be well.
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Since some of you people are daring to venture outside the box, you should consider getting rid of whatever worms and similar parasites you are carrying around.
Does it not strike you as odd that our horses, livestock, and pets are routinely wormed preventatively, but people are never treated or even checked anymore? True, we do not graze in a field, but we get plenty of exposure.
Strongyloides are a particular troublesome one since they reproduce in the host and migrate through our tissues like termites in an old house, carrying intestinal bacteria with them. They are endemic in many warm climate areas.
How many of your LLMD's have bothered to address this co-infection? It is WAY more common than they or you think. Alot of symptoms will go away when they do, in my experience.
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nanadubo, check out Pen G Max and ask your pharmacist to compare it with the regular bicillin. Should be close and it is cheap !!! The prescription is EXTREMELY EXPEN$IVE .
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For Intramuscular Use Only Each mL of Pen-G Max� contains 300,000 units of procaine penicillin G and approximately: 0.8% sodium citrate; 0.15% sodium carboxymethylcellulose; 25% sorbitol solution U.S.P.; 0.06% povidone; 0.6% lecithin; 0.1% methylparaben; 0.01% propylparaben; 0.25% phenol
Note that, according to this description, Pen G Max contains NO Penicillin G Benzathine which is the ONLY active ingredient in Bicillin LA. It is NOT the same thing and probably less effective. You certainly can't compare dosages, at least not easily.
Note that you can't get Benzathine Penicillin (as in Bicillin) without formaldahyde. I wouldn't take formaldahyde as it can make you go blind at inconclusive doses.
Pen G Max is a non-Bensathine non-formaldahyde product. Benzathine is what makes penicillin stay in the system for up to a week. The reason it is used for lyme is because it was used successfully for Syphilis, because people could walk into a clinic for one injection, and go home without repeat visits.
It is the Penicillin, not the Benzathine that kills lyme bacteria.
Pen G Max has procaine penicillin, which would need to be injected every two days, instead of up to every seven.
If you choose to self-treat, read the labels on both, and do the math carefully. If you can't figure it out, obviously, then don't play.
Remember that elevated liver enzymes can kill you, so even if self-treating, make sure to find a doctor who will run blood tests.
Just a reminder that using vet meds on people without a prescription is illegal, and nobody here including me is recommending, advising, or suggesting that anybody should do it.
But we all live our own lives, and make our own hopefully well-educated choices.
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