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This was brought up in another post several days ago. I know Scott was one that replied, and while he said he did not endorse it yet, he has done I think it was 5 sessions so far.
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Nope, wouldn't spend my money there. I was on the lyme/rife site yesterday and a post lead me to this site.
Sometimes people that are clueless about lyme think we just need some positive thinking and everything will be ok. Postive thoughts and reading is good, but it not going to kill the body of toxins.
Oh, if it were only so simple. Where have you been Nal?
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Thanks for the input here. I have no reason to delete the thread-I just honestly wanted to know what people thought of it. I guess different therapies work for different people. Bless my hubby, he is trying so hard to find ways to help me. He had no opinions on this site either-was just something he came across and I said I would look into it.
Heck, none of the therapies I have done work and I have tried MANY, MANY, MANY!!
Still, haven't been on here much-sorry. I actually was feeling pretty good there for quite a while (no therapies or anything) until recently.
Nancy
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frakktured1
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Nancy,
I think Betty wants you to delete the thread because it has left an avenue for the scam artists to keep posting on this BALONEY.
You are the only one that can delete your own thread and the monitors of course.
I understand there are different protocol,guidelines,therapies whatever and etc.
The scam that your husband brought up sounds like something and they even give it religeous undertones.... They're gonna really burn in hell because of bringing now children into the thing.
You can do whatever you like....but....I think it would be good to delete...and I also think it would be OK to keep.
Delete it for the reasons I mentioned earlier and keep so that other people with the same questions about this SCAM....can get the honest word about it faster.
You people at lymefree should be.... well the rules on this board preclude me from saying exactly what I want to say....
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HOw weird those two pro-site posters are both posting here for the first time- #1 posts for each!!! COincidence?? Sure*)!
My favorite part of this website is the section FIND YOUR DISEASE where it says that all of the following can be cured by this(*)!*)!
And MARRIAGE is listed as an AILMENT!!! Wow. Not my marriage. Poor people!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ailments Sorted Alphabetically
acne burning skin crohn's disease dust allergy foods hives migraines raynaud's disease ulcer ADD - ADHD cancer related cigarette smoke ear aches gluten,wheat hormonal imbalances mold allergy restless leg syndrome urinary infection ankylosing spondylitis candida constipation eczema grass allergy hypothyroid mononucleosis sex abuse vertigo, dizzyness anxiety canker sores cough egg allergy hair loss insomnia multiple sclerosis shoulder pain yeast overgrowth arthritis carpal tunnel dairy epstein barr headaches joint pains panic attacks stomach asthma carrot allergy depression exhaustion heart burn lesions peanut allergy strabismus autism cats diaper rash feather allergy heart palpitations loss of smell loss of taste perfume allergy sugar addiction balance, loss of chemical allergies dog allergy fertility hepatitis c lyme disease pollens tendon pains breast cysts chronic fatigue dry skin fibromyalgia hernia marriage post partum tourettes
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All truth goes through 3 stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. - Schopenhauer Posts: 5639 | From Aptos CA USA | Registered: Apr 2005
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This is not a scam, although it does not work for everyone. I have personally talked to several people who are in remission or free from lyme symptoms. For some it took 20 sessions and for some it took 40 sessions.
It seems to work better for people with arthritic symptoms. It works well for people who have allergies. Hiker
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I know this looks, smells, sounds like a scam in every way. Nonetheless, I am going to try it. You all know me, so I'll report back in a few months. The reason I'm going to try it is I thought homeopathy was a scam until a recent experience. So I decided the world is stranger than I thought .
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quote:Originally posted by CaliforniaLyme: HOw weird those two pro-site posters are both posting here for the first time- #1 posts for each!!! COincidence?? Sure*)!
Now there are even more suspicious first time posters, but we cannot tell for sure if their testimonies are genuine or that they just want to advertise for less well-intended motives.
That's why unsubstantiated testimonies, which are posted here daily, are rather useless, especially about methods that lack logic, unless its from someone you know well and who you can trust.
But nothing can replace scientific testing of methods to establish efficacy and safety.
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I am going to say this is not a scam. I now Connie from other Lyme sites and her heart is loyal to God and she would not lie about IRT helping her.
I tried it last summer and did 14 sessions and then quit due to 2 surgeries. The owner, who is not a priest as someone said in this thread, has kindly offered for me to try it again for free. So, like Scott, I have done 5 sessions. So far I cannot tell a difference, but I also have just gone back to teaching after 1 1/2 years off and that is really taxing me.
I spoke with a woman in Maine. Her husband used it to cure his allergies (He did not have Lyme). She tried it for Lyme, but it has not worked for her.
So, just like herbs work for some, antibiotics work for some, rife works for some, the Marshall protocol works for some, salt/C works for some, laser therapy works for some, IRT works for some.
My feeling is if you have not tried it don't knock it. It may help someone. I will keep you posted in the coming months as to whether it helps me or not. Hiker
Yes, I will say more: these/that people/person came on to EuroLyme with their "testimonies". They are more persistent than your usual spammer/scam artist.
They are pretty grossly obvious, don't you think?
Same thing on EL one person joins out of the blue and gives you their heartbreaking testimony and success with whatever they are pushing, complete with ref to God and to "you can do it if you really want to get better" Yuk!
Nelly
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So, let me get this straight because I certainly don't want to be stupid....
If you have absolutely no knowledge of something, no personal experience with it at all and don't know anyone who has, then you should yell ``SCAM!'', right?
Okay, and then if there is any money changing hands for a particular Lyme treatment - OTHER than antibiotics and other potentially dangerous drugs peddled by pharmaceutical companies, of course - then one should be absolutely outraged by someone making any money, right?
Thanks for your input, Hiker - much appreciated.
It's a bit unreasonable to expect people who have been successful with the IRT program to come to LymeNet and post their results. They would have to be crazy to do so. Look at how they are treated when they do finally post something.
Hiker has been around here a long time - if you can't put any trust in a new poster, what is your excuse for discounting an Old Timer here?
Poor Nal is just trying to get information. Perhaps those of you who don't have any shouldn't confuse the issue for her.
Lymeflash makes a good point: **"Every person has their opinion. If I want to know about Spain, I'll ask someone who has actually been there. Getting directions from someone who has not been there is always risky."**
Exactly.
Tracy
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I was desperate enough to try it and I'm sorry to say I didn't see any improvement. I dropped out after about 5 session. Too expensive. I wanted to believe it would work for me. I want anything to work so I can have me back.
I'm glad some of you out there did get help though from it though, however and in whatever way. Some of the others in my group did seem to be improving.
They do give a free CD so you can look at their program. I still think it was not entirely on the up and up though. EVERYONE in the office was named Celeste. That's not a common name, so two in the same small office seems unusual, but three Celestes in the same office?
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Come on! Have you read the "testimonies"? There always the same, same phraseology as always, same phony stories, every time. Have you been to the website?
Haven't you seen enough of these to make up your mind? I have.
Nelly
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Not everyone in the office is named Celeste. Only one that I have talked to. Quite often Kim answers the phone or else a young man. I don't know where someone got that idea at all.
If you don't want to try IRT, fine, but please don't try to persuade others not to try it when it might help.
People scoffed at Galileo and his discoveries, too. Hiker
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I tend to run from any business that uses God as a way to market their system/product.
If I choose not to use it, does that mean I don't trust God to heal me?
Can God use other means to heal? Does healing always happen in an instant, at my convenience?
I really don't like spiritual blackmail.
Anyone see Pete's Dragon? Check out Doc Terminus and his sidekick "Hoagie". They use the same method of sales as the two recent posters who joined to promote their product.
This is not to slam anyone who tried it. I understand this disease calls for people to be risktakers to cure themselves. Thank you for being the pioneers to warn/share with us your experience.
I just don't appreciate God being used as a business mascot.
quote:Originally posted by cave76: Where's Nelly when we need her?
Watching the rugby on the telly!! My husband MAKES me, I HAVE to watch it or else...!!!
Anyway, I told you, these folks are really tough cookies! They won't take no for an answer, I guess they think they will catch a few fishes by being really pushy.
I give up, I'm deleting them from EL but there's nothing I can do around here.
I don't think i'll open this topic again
Nelly
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boo hoo.
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hey, Most thought all who believed the world was round was whacky.
I too have a hard time with anyone who uses us as a scam, what if it isn't a scam.
The last I looked the word is round.
Mr Hiker is a nice, lovely lady!!!
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kelmo
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This thread is creeping me out, can we get rid of it?
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Agreed totally but don't delete it-it's too telling-so many new members all pushing IRT-do they work on comission or are they salaried?
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I didn't read all the responses, but I can easily assume what most here feel about IRT so I'm hesitant to jump in...but here goes...
while I'm very open to all possible paths towards healing, personally I'm turned off by the religious and sales-pitchy aspects. HOWEVER - (and I've been here a long time and definitely not hired by the company to say this) - I do know a couple people (not just a friend of a friend of an internet friend), but ACTUAL people who are noticing dramatic improvements from IRT.. including one of my closest friends.
He's been very disabled for several years with only minimal and non-lasting improvement from other treatments (IV/oral abx, HBOT, etc)... he went into IRT desperate and VERY skeptical but he's getting better and better.
there are many people getting results from IRT that would never post about it here for fear of ridicule, but it does seem to work for some people. I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who's doing it.
And since you get your money back if you don't notice any improvements after a few sessions, you can't really be scammed.
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quote:Originally posted by SunRa: ..I've been here a long time and definitely not hired by the company to say this..
while I agree it's fishy that there are so many new members posting about IRT, I want to add that I wasn't implying that all, or any, of the new posters work for the company.
In fact I remember Connie from another board a while back and had bookmarked her blog pre-IRT...she's a genuine and caring person and a lymie struggling with the rest of us. So please be respectful, as I, for one, am interested in her (and others') experiences.
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quote:Originally posted by kelmo: This thread is creeping me out, can we get rid of it?
This whole board is creeping me out. I miss the high level of intelligent informative discussion that was seen on sci.med.diseases.lyme and lymenet.org in the past. Those were the days.
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So you see NAL(Nancy),
By leaving this post here you have done some good. OK Betty, do you see what I'm getting at?
Pretty much all a newcomer has to do is check out the posters that are pro this silly scam and they'll get some insight as to who to trust and
who they should run away from.
Nancy, you can keep this post here for others, to get the names of the posters we can trust and the scam "artists"(I use the term artist lightly).
I am surprised by some of the older posters. Man, either they've actually been here all this time, thinking that longevity begets trustworthiness.
Or there's some other way to get the number of posts to a substantial amount. Or
They somehow hi-jack the names of past posters.
Now all of a sudden, just to finally come out, of the woodwork and blow their invested time setting up supposed, credibility by seniority.
Only substantiates what others have said about how persistant and pushy these people really have become. It's simply ammazing! And
laughable...because that's all I can do about how diligently they go about setting their traps! Only to eventually fall into them,
themselves and finally reveal who they REALLY are and where they're comming from.
Now they'll have to start all over again! LOL
For some of you who are quite liberal thinkers and wish only the best for we sick folks by leaving the doors to all possibilities open.
The few that have remarked that no one should belittle this scam if they have'nt "BEEN THERE".
I HAVE BEEN THERE...OK!
It's Bunk!
It IS, as I described it earlier. A futile attempt at audio subliminal programming of the subconscious mind. And a REALLY POOR attempt to do even that! HA!
Were you not reading carefully enough? Or should I put you on my lists as well?
Go for it if you want to pay about 125bucks to have someone recite gibberish in your ear on the phone. You'll get a nice CD with guitar music and more gibberish recited over the guitar music!
(if it were REALLY subliminal you see, the conscious mind, and ear, would'nt hear it at all....HAHAHAHA!....)
These scam "artists" would know that, if they spent time on an education, instead of investing time on websites like this, trying to establish credibility...
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I�m not trying to convince anyone of the benefits of IRT. I�m just telling you about my personal experience. During the years I�ve tried many Lyme treatments. Some of them have helped for a while, some didn�t do a thing and some made worse. Antibiotics stopped working and I got frequent inflammations all over the body; joints, kidney, bladder, sinus, lung, brain. So I had no other posssibility than to look for alternative treatments.
IRT is one of the many treatments I�ve tried. (BTW, I�m not religious and I�haven�t noticed any religion on IRT- if there is they don�t show it very clearly. After the code reading they say "Thank you God" - that�s all I�ve heard.)
I�ve taken about 15 IRT sessions. I�m not completely out of the woods but it has helped a lot with arhtritis and fatique. After 13th session my joint pain was gone. I�ve been painfree now for over a month. Of course it is possible that the symptoms flare up some day again - only time will tell. I�ve still some other symptoms left, so I�ve decided to keep on doing IRT for some more sessions.
At the moment, I feel that combining different treatments might lead to the best results (antibiotics, Rife, detoxing, diet, IRT etc). Most probably there isn�t "one size fits all" -treatment.
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When Rife "appeared", it was seen as scam too!
When a few practioners talked about many lyme patients being metal toxic many years ago, it was seen as nonsense. Lyme was ONLY a bacterial infection.
Different types of treatment (eletromagnetic currents and toxin + metal ellimination) are now seen as almost 'standard'.
I don't like the idea that there are people here that only post to sell the magic bullet. Totally agree on that. But to deny a new form of treatment, the way you guys do here, even though some say 'it's working' looks suspicious.
You never tried it and you say it doesn't work?
I never tried IRT and won't probably do it, because I think I'm done with lyme. But if I'm bitten again, or fall sick again, who knows?
I am one person that only used alternatives to treat lyme and I think I'm done with it now!! Even after recent reinfection with many coinfections. Only time will tell. But my lyme doctor said that he has never seen anyone improve so fast as I did.
Eurolyme is a limited lyme forum, in my opinion. It does what some of you guys in this thread are doing, denying that ANY alternative forms of treatment help in fighting lyme disease, despite of credible testimonies saying the opposite.
I left Eurolyme as I was not on the abx route, the only route they accept as treatment of lyme. The forum moderator, if I understood well, is still sick with lyme despite long long years of treatment with the best known physicians.
Selma
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It sounds wacky to me.
quote: ." Getting set goes like this: they will ask you to take a deep breath, blow it out and hold your breath (as you are doing this, they will be picturing, in their head, rubbing your back 7 times around from right to left). You will be told to breathe and then they will say a silent prayer of intent for the codes to work: the actual prayer is - "fix Gary's mistakes; restore everything to your original design; thank you, God."
Huh? Picturing rubbing my back?
If it works for you so be it and I am happy for you. Just don't start putting on tinfoil hats!
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Thank you, SunRa and eric!
The only thing that creeps me out on this thread are the people who think they have the right - or some kind of misplaced duty - to prevent others from learning about a treatment that just may be the most beneficial treatment they have ever found to combat their illness. Who are ANY of you to prejudge that?
Delete the thread? Censorship once again?
Gee, I really appreciate the thought, but here's a news flash - I don't want your unsolicited intervention in my life!!! Please, DO NOT PROTECT ME!!!
Doesn't it register with any of you that you only hurt others by attempting to rip away their options, no matter what your personal feelings are about it?
Spammers? Scammers?
Sorry, but you're not spamming a thread if you post when the topic is started by a neutral resident LymeNetter, especially if there is no financial connection. And you can't very well scam somebody if you return their money if it doesn't work.
Go ahead and voice your opinion and be just as sarcastic, snide, derisive, rude, and denigrating as you like. I guess the following LymeNet rule does not apply to you:
"Users shall not post ...... any material which ... infringes in any way upon the rights of others, which is ...... abusive, hateful, harassing, ......or otherwise objectionable..... Any conduct by a user that in LymeNet's discretion restricts or inhibits any other user from using or enjoying the LymeNet System Interactive will not be permitted."
If you make your comments caustic enough and incite enough discord, the Moderators will step in and delete the thread, thereby accomplishing what you could not do yourselves: eliminate the written evidence on this board that some unlikely-appearing alternative treatments work, and drive away the people willing to talk reasonably about them.
What are you people so afraid of?
I used to ponder how and why it could come to pass that the very people that Jesus Christ came to help were the people who wanted him dead. Thanks for the lesson - I get it now.
Tracy
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quote:Originally posted by hardynaka: [QB] Eurolyme is a limited lyme forum, in my opinion. It does what some of you guys in this thread are doing, denying that ANY alternative forms of treatment help in fighting lyme disease, despite of credible testimonies saying the opposite.
I left Eurolyme as I was not on the abx route, the only route they accept as treatment of lyme. The forum moderator, if I understood well, is still sick with lyme despite long long years of treatment with the best known physicians
Selma,
I don't think you know too, too much about EL and its moderators, and I am finding your comments rather low, cocky and uninformed.
EL has 1520 members to date, and there is not one EL party line for treating, people are free to make up their own minds and they do. FYI we DO use alternative/herbal strategies but we don't "buy" any old scam that comes along.
I will not enter into a discussion with somebody who relies on ART for diagnosis and treatment decision. If you find this narrow or limited, so be it, not my problem.
And btw, I seem to remember you used Riamet, hardly alternative! Used mainstream to treat life-threatening malaria. I'm glad you did, and I am glad you're recovered
Nelly Pointis (co-moderator of EuroLyme, Gill Reese is currently off-line due to moving)
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....this sounds suspiciously like the same bunch who annoyed us for an evening on the Sat. nite chat room awhile back. Fortunately there's a moderator there with a delete key.
Remember there's also always some tacky preacher with a stretch limo and a bad hair piece out there to scam you out of some $$$ to do a 'laying on of hands' or whatever and some of the suggestible types will claim to be cured.....for awhile. This sounds like the same sort of stuff to me.
Charlie
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: **"Every person has their opinion. If I want to know about Spain, I'll ask someone who has actually been there. Getting directions from someone who has not been there is always risky."**
Exactly.
Tracy
Well, I want to know how to get to France because Pedro is about to jump from the Awful Tower.
He believes that Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal. He finally figured out why God gave man free will-so they could jump when they've had enough.
Nellypointis-will you catch him if I don't get there in time?
quote:Originally posted by Cobweb:Well, I want to know how to get to France because Pedro is about to jump from the Awful Tower.
Nellypointis-will you catch him if I don't get there in time?[/QB]
Cobby,
Sure, anything to please, but how will I know Pedro? You know he won't be alone, MANY people are queuing up to jump from the NOTawful Tower, I wouldn't want to catch an innocent jumper
Nelly (Paris-France)
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Cobweb
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It's okay- I learned that he forgot to take his sombrero off and got caught in an updraft . He was last seen headed for England.
It was a really big sombrero with a chin strap. He'll probably hook up with Mary Poppins and her umbrella.
She'll give him a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down.
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Nelly, I did use Riamet and my babesia was back two weeks later. Not a big help. I did take the two weeks doxy after EM rash, and got very sick few weeks later.
I wanted desperately to find more abx that time, that's right, because of what I kept reading in Eurolyme and here.
I didn't find any doctor to treat me this way, when I finally found one (two, in fact), it was alternative. ART, yes.
My daughter took 5 weeks amoxy from the same day she got bitten, and in the end fell sicker than in the first week after bite. We shifted her treatment to alternatives ONLY, and she got better. Cured, in her case.
So we tried a few of the abx route (even if short, I agree), but stopped when I saw these were not giving us the results I wanted. And still causing me and my daughter GI candida, which is almost as nasty as borrelia to get rid of. No one here can deny that!
I still took 2 weeks of doxy after my recent reinfection, but doxy only was not helping much and I dropped it. Now I can get as much abx I want (because I found a nice physician). I still have a small collection here, just in case my herbs don't work anymore. Riamet included.
I only did short experiences with abx and I don't return to them long term because of the candida problem and because I found alternatives that for me seem to work better. So I don't NEED more abx!
My insurance would cover these abx, but it doesn't cover herbs. And I still do herbs instead, because I feel they work better without messing up my GI tract.
I DO find Eurolyme is a limited forum. One cannot post about alternatives that seem to work because it's taken for granted that they just can't work, according to their view. The same as what's happening to this thread.
97-99% of things I did that I felt were working, were not abx. Nor my daughter, even though she was longer than I on abx. We're both fine and totally functional. I don't attribute our success to abx at all. Not even 5%. Perhaps a 1-2% help?
ART is one of the most important parts of my healing story (and my daughter's). Homeopathy another. Herbs another very important part. Eletromagnetic current still another. It's a combo treatment that worked in our cases.
None of these modalities of treatment are 'acceptable' by Eurolyme. Of course, one can post there and get harrassed every time. Like here in this thread, people would doubt one's story, would say it's placebo effect etc.
Now you tell me your story! How many months (or years) are you in your route of choice? And how well you are now? With or without killers?
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Well I can't say if this for real or not, but a mind body connection? Who would have thunk it?
This is simply about training the mind to heal the body. There are some good articles about the power of the mind.
Your mind is a powerful weapon in this disease, you don't really need others to train you how to use your mind, just start using it. I read once to lie in bed & right before sleep and picture your white cells destorying all bacteria in the body.
I doubt a miracle will take place, but 'a man is what he thinks' if you think you think sick, then you are. If you think like a well person, then you are giving power to yourself. Or go ahead and think negative and feel sorry for yourself and see how far you get.
The mind/body connection is real there is no argument there, it is possible to think yourself toward wellness.
SCOTT - Let us know how it works for you!
Dr. Burrascano said he could tell who would get well during the first office visit based on their attitude and the way they were thinking. If they felt sorry for themselves and had a why me attitude, he knew.
I can't and won't endorse anything unless it has worked for me personally and so far the only thing I can endorse is God, Biaxin and Amoxi and the power of my thinking. Better off not calling something a scam, unless you have proof,best to remain neutral in all situations until proof presents itself to you personally.
Columbus was the only one who said the world was round.
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I am currently in the program and though my results have not been as profound yet as some others in the group session, I have seen IRT work for people. I have seen a personal friend have intense herx reactions after each session as well as other friends that completed the program and felt very positive about it. I am not yet ready to say it works without a doubt and am still in the evaluation stage, but I do think people should be open to the possibility that it could be very helpful. Some of the people in my same session are having very positive results. I have physical changes after each session that I know are tied to the IRT - that alone is enough for me to know that it does something.
-------------------- Be well, Scott Posts: 4617 | From San Jose, CA | Registered: Jul 2005
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10 Minutes of research- **************************
Allergy Alternatives is run by Gary Blier, correct? Yes.
In 1997 a man named Gary Blier was running a web page for injections of this miraculous substance that cured a variety of - no- not illnesses- not disease- not sicknesses- but same word- ailments!!! The whole page was about the body helaing itself with help of these miracle injections-
The doctor he was promoting was Dr, Milne Ongley who runs a clinic to this day in Mexico.
Dr. Ongley was banned from treating medicine in New Zealand and fled to Australia where he was arrested on New Zealand perjury charges. He was banned from the USA after it was found his solution had no medical benefit.
The guy who runs All Alt is Gary Blier who was the contact person and the main testimonial for the website-
FROM OLD WEB PAGE RUN BY GARY BLIER WHO NOW RUNS ALLERGY ALT
Dr. MJ Ongley's avoid surgery for hips, knees, backs, & more... Dr. Milne Ongley's, AVOID SURGERY, avoid hip replacement, knee replacement, avoid lamenectomy, avoid back surgery, cure carpal tunnel, sciatica, avascular necrosis, bone spurs, arthritis, osteo arthritis, and be PAINFREE WITHOUT SURGERY, DRUGS OR CHIROPRACTIC.
Medically proven, safe, and economical technologies exist for reversing damage to joints, muscles, ligaments, cartilage and tendons. Dr. M.J. Ongley (Ongley's proliferant solution) has advanced the field of Orthopedic Medicine to the degree that over 90% of all surgeries are unnecessary. The following maladies are candidates for his treatment: Whiplash, neck sprain/strain, herniated disks, bone spurs, sciatica, cervical disorders, frozen shoulder, bursitis, lost or damaged cartilage, rotator cuff problems, carpal tunnel, r.s.i, arthritis, tennis elbow, golfers elbow, and more! Even if you've had surgery and are still in pain (which is often the case), this technology can be of great benefit for you. If your x-rays indicate that you are well and you are still in pain, this is where to turn.
THIS PAGE IS PROVIDED BY A GRATEFUL PATIENT OF DR. MILNE ONGLEY.
Last Updated June 19, 1997 by Gary
202 A Partial List of Ailments That Qualify for This Therapy.
404 My Personal Medical Testimony
My name is Gary Blier. At the age of 42 (6', 195 lbs) I was in tough shape when I met Dr. Ongley. My problems started from the toes up. I was born with flat feet. I waddled when I walked. My two big toes had arthritis so badly, that I refused to go for leisure walks with my wife. I had stopped jogging years prior. I had thrown my back out at age 19 and, ever since, I've been careful to choose what I would and would not risk for fear of it going out again. Though I didn't complain, I would sleep with three pillows under or between my knees at night, trying to find comfort in order to sleep.
I had a severe case of carpal tunnel. I wore braces for six months, ate megadoses of ibuprofrin and only used my hands for the most necessary of things in order to avoid the surgery my doctor offered. It was terrible. I also had tennis and golfers elbow with arthritis there as well. If my elbow were to just touch the arm rests of my car, I got a jolt of pain. My chiropractor told me I had loose AC (shoulder) joints. If I picked up an empty briefcase, my shoulder would pop out. Very Painful! My neck was rigid. I could only look 20 degrees in either direction before my whole body would become involved. (Ankylosing spondylitis.)
I was in constant pain. I became worried about how I would feel at age 60 since I was already feeling like a decrepit 80 year old. I was concerned that I would not be able to work. How would I support my family if I couldn't even type or walk? Because of my inability to do even simple tasks for my young family, I became frustrated. When a family member is in pain - everyone suffers!
I am excited to report that I am pain free for the first time in 15 years! My health has returned because of Dr. Ongley and his medical techniques as outlined at this website. I don't even think about my pain anymore - except to notice that it is really not there anymore! It took me six months to even believe it. I can bend, type (obviously), walk, jog, run, lift things, play with my kids, carry in my wife's groceries, work out at the gym (even with free weights). I have regained the quality of my life! (It turns out my flat feet were the result of an underdeveloped ligament. It has since been strengthened by Dr. Ongley's solution and I even have arches (no more waddle walking!) I'm so happy!
I assure you that I had seen many, many other doctors of all branches of medicine; chiropractors, surgeons, podiatrists, neurologists, physical therapists... you name it...I'd been there. None helped enough to make a real difference. In Dr. Ongley's waiting room, I'd met about 80 other patients all with similar stories -many more dramatic than mine.
Beyond that, I've spoken with over 100 past patients of Dr. Ongley's by phone. I kept hearing the same miraculous stories told over and over. Knowing many would need more than my testimony, I began asking these folks if they would allow to me tape record these conversations. Several did. I have these tapes available for those who email me and request one. I am currently in the process of making a video tape which will be available in the near future.
-------------------- There is no wealth but life. -John Ruskin
All truth goes through 3 stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. - Schopenhauer Posts: 5639 | From Aptos CA USA | Registered: Apr 2005
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He *is* the same man if you read his testimonial at lymefree.com- but he just says he was trained by the doc that saved him!!
This according to the former page was Dr. Ongley.
The former page says it was this miracle injection that did it.
The current page says nothing about injections.
-------------------- There is no wealth but life. -John Ruskin
All truth goes through 3 stages: first it is ridiculed: then it is violently opposed: finally it is accepted as self evident. - Schopenhauer Posts: 5639 | From Aptos CA USA | Registered: Apr 2005
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