Topic: Who is thinking about going to Germany for Bionic 880?
northstar
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quote:there seems to be some unnecessary unpleasant conflicts that we could all do without.
Actually, I thought the responses to those who raised questions, were really good, and done without conflict, and that includes the levels of healing. Hidden concerns are not necessarily conflict, especially when they were responded to in such a generous tone, which elicited generous tone in response.
A mere drop in the bucket of 3 pages of posts (oops, this makes it page 4).
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To answer vision's questions:
> Where is the proof?
Don't think in our lifetime we will ever see clinical study on this. I'm not willing to wait, when I can afford it, I'd rather be treated by Dr. W. or by the bionic 880 in some way. That is my opinion!
If 5 people come back and say they are much better from the treatment, that's as much proof as we are going to get. Nanadubo believes she's in remission from dr. w.'s treatment after 3 weeks thats at least one, annsha two children makes it 3 testimonials. Those are folks known on the board who are now stating they are well. I find that significant as well as other reports so far. Just stay tuned, we'll learn more. As far as number of testimonials = proof, I don't know what that is.
> Where is the documented evidence?
Doubt we'll see actual documented evidence for some time. Because documented evidence would have to be acceptable to the CDC or the AMA. Wouldn't you agree? If it has to do with using light to heal lyme. Doubt that is in our life time.
It funny many doctors suspected biofilm in the alternative world for years. That bacterial colonies actual communicate together is something Dr. K. posted years back. Only recently do we have documented proof.
Its fine to be skeptical, really it is. You don't have to spend any money when your skeptical and there is no financial or emotional risk. But gee there is the part of wanting to feel well. It is quite a dilemma. It is one we all face.
Hopefully you find the answers you seek. Or wait until those answers are documented by the IDSA or the AMA or big pharma or the FDA or the CDC or the universities. Everyone has choices to make.
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As I promised:
Regarding credit cards and doctors. When we were in Germany in June for treatment by Dr. Woitzel, I kept bugging him, and he installed the credit card system. I knew before we went to Germany, once I had seen Dr. W's power point presentation at a Medical Conference, that other Lymies would be heading overthere. I didn't want to walk around with a lot of cash on my body. (Little old ladies with a man in a wheelchair are easy prey!) Checks, as we know them here, are no longer used in Germany and the constantly changing dollar/euro exchange rate, leaves only mostly bank transfers. So now, it's ood for the ones that come after us that Dr. W. takes credit cards. Credit cards are not the custom in Germany. Our friends and relatives would wonder if they saw me charging my groceries! (gives us flying points!)
My dentist in Germany does not take credit cards. He sends people the bill after the work is done. I did not expect Dr. W. to do that. But he concurred that it is a lot easier and had the credit card facility arranged and available the day before we had to pay our bill and return home. He had started to realize at that point how many people with Lyme in the USA are looking for treatment that works. Remember when I deleted my original post about ``successful treatment'' --- one of the reasons was that he was flooded with phone calls all the time and had to shut down phones. Now he gets many e-mails which he has no time to answer and gets accused for that. Do you all remember the recent event. It seems I can't win and he can't either.
As for any doubts re success with Bionic880 treatment, I think he is still trying to figure out whether the bugs are more toxic in this country than the German ones, because he has been very successful with the treatment there for close to eight years. I have almost come to the conclusion that climate and travel for the insects forces them to evolve and become tougher and tougher the longer and further they go. I have always said that they are highly intelligent and that we are being conquered, slowly but surely. Dr. K. said it years ago and I have started to believe the same way. Another reason I feel is that the Europeans #1 have stronger building codes - EMF is a factor, but not as it is in this country. The Europeans also were not exposed to EMF as early as people in this country. It took years before they had a ``computer in every household''. I recently moved my desk even further away from the box, because I noticed my blood pressure going up systematically while sitting at the computer too close to my screen. (I test these things now with a very fine instrument - my Biotensor; it goes into minus/unhealthy territory from one inch to the next. )
Further, re Dr. W's character: A reputable medical doctor licensed in a small country like Germany does not go around the country making power point presentations to the medical community telling lies. He would be behind bars by now if that were the case. At one of the most recent ones, Prof. Popp - the father of the biophoton --- was in the audience. There may be a crook here and there, but your mistrust is misplaced.
I will only quickly respond to the rest of the accusations regarding me. I am very familiar with Visionoftruth - she about destroyed me with her nastiness a year or two ago when the discussion related to mercury and my friend and doctor, Dr. K. The ``discussion'' went on page after page. No more of that for me. I do not have time to waste. My years are counted. Mercury is a neurotoxin and I don't get paid off.
Sparkle seems to mix apples with oranges when it comes to lights - so there is no reason for me to get back into that. I cannot get to first base with her comebacks. We are comparing a bicycle with a jet plane, usually followed by her crys about being poor. Do it if it works. O2babe said it quite clearly. None of us has much left after years of treatment, and the crying people suck all the energy out of me. I am sorry if I do not spend much time ``feeling sorry'' and emphasizing with people. I know I have a big heart, and if you don't know that yet, I can't help it. I am not forcing anyone, I am simply defending what I have found to be the truth.
As far as my making a fortune on selling products and equipment, if any one of the people you suspect of enriching my life with monetary rewards and gifts should ever make me an offer worth my while which would not curtail my lifestyle and freedom, of course I would consider it. I would at that point stop posting on Lymenet permanently. Up to this very date, since October 2000, I have given a lot more to Lymenet than I have received.
Take care.
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I guess I'm the only one here who has a problem with the expense of this therapy...?
I'm not the only one who is looking for alternatives.
I'm also not the only one who was wondering about a potential conflict of interest.
Somehow, I'm the one who seems to incite quite a bit of inflammatory remarks directed against me.
Personally, I think it's a low blow... GiGi.
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Many of us have had such great experience with using other alternative type treatments before they were recognized in the US.
For others, they need to see long term results. They do not go on gut intuition and feeling. I find that many people I encounter cannot even get their head around long term lyme disease! I live with someone like that. It is good that people discuss the pros and cons...but not to put down those who have a higher comfort level with trying things that are not harmful, and sharing their results with others of the like mind.
I do believe that there are different ways to heal the body, as I have personally witnesed and had my own positive results.
This is why I do believe the bionic 880 treatment has much to offer. I believe in a few years it will be in the US, and available for others. Some of us do not want to wait. I've already given up many of my few years on this planet, and I'm ready for a healthier life.
We that have hope in it, must give room to those who cannot get their head around it. I think it's a personality thing that some are prone to scepticism. I don't think they are being mean spirited, I hope. I just knowI have a husband that naturally questions everything related to medical and money! We are a good team,as we respect each others thoughts, have great discussions, and if I wait long enough, he usually comes around to understanding, and hasa suprised himself by experiencing unique healing trying a non-approved device to cure his plantar faciatis.
They have to see to believe, but it doesn't change their chronic skeptism. It's healthy debate!
Let's just stay positive and respectful, as on line conversations can take on a negetive tone without meaning to do so.
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GiGi, you have BY FAR given more to this forum than you have likely received. I am a beneficiary of that giving and I thank you!
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Sparkle I have to agree with GiGi the cost of a treatment is what it is. You can't make an apple into an orange. If the treatment is expensive we just have to make it more affordable. One unit of 10k during the course of a year could treat 200 to 300 hundred lymies if we could just find a way to share. Then cost is no longer an issue. As the testimonials keep rolling in the interest will rise.
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Hi I'm new to the thread and it is very excting to hear about the clinic in Germany. I have a few questions and forgive me if this has been brought up previously and my lyme brain has missed it. Gigi & Six, if we have mercury fillings did Dr. W. specifically say it has to be removed first to benefit from treatment? Is it a requirement in order to use the photon machine? Does anyone know how much something like removing mercury fillings can cost?
BTW you are both very kind to take the time out to report your experiences and help so many other people You are very much appreciated.
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Just want to warn you that in the Black Forest, Where Pforzheim is situated is HIGLY ENDEMIC for the virus that can be found in European ticks called TBE or FSME. Causing severe encephalitis and some people can die from it.
There is no treatment available but you can take an immunization shot if you do not have lyme.....then you can't.
Please be CAREFUL if you visit parks etc.
It is a VERY dangerous virus!!
I would stay away from the woods for sure.
Don't want to scare you off, I lived in PFZ almost a year. You have to be careful, that's all.
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This is the same problem all over Europe. I have friends in Sweden who are very ill. I have friends in Austria who are ill. The eastern countries are ill.
Care should be taken anywhere in any area of the world, that is green, grassy, forested. The ticks are everywhere and infections of all sorts come with them.
Any place, except Antarctica, is contaminated. And I am not sure sure about Antarctica any longer.
Who would have ever thought that there is a tick in Hawaii, the Big Island. That is where I got mine, and the people who owned the property are as ill today as we once were; they just don't quite believe in ticks yet.
So I am glad you are bringing this up for anyone out there to be alert - anyplace.
Take care.
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I always wondered about the rates of Lyme disease in Hawaii because they do not seem to report many cases if any but that does not mean it is not there. Now we know it certainly is there.
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quote:Hi I'm new to the thread and it is very excting to hear about the clinic in Germany. I have a few questions and forgive me if this has been brought up previously and my lyme brain has missed it. Gigi & Six, if we have mercury fillings did Dr. W. specifically say it has to be removed first to benefit from treatment? Is it a requirement in order to use the photon machine? Does anyone know how much something like removing mercury fillings can cost?
No, Brite, Dr. W. does not specifically say so and did not when we were there. I asked him before we went to see him for treatment "what are you doing about the heavy metals?" His response was "the photons take them out".
In the meantime, I have learned a little more. It is a lot easier to release the heavy metals with the photon applications. It should be done repeatedly and attention has to be paid that the metals are not reabsorbed. Binding agents are important,
However, from my experience and has been taught by some very knowledgable doctors, as long as the amalgam fillings are in the mouth, the mercury escapes and is absorbed in nerve tissue.
I have learned that a lot of people cannot get totally well as long as they have to deal with the heavy metals in their system. Not only in the teath, but in other body compartments.
I have posted a lot on this subject. Maybe do a search here.
You should only go to a dentist who believes in the toxicity of mercury, etc., and does not do root canals any longer. Maybe there will be a safer way to do them sometime, but not at the present. The toxins root canals put out (dead tooth!) are highly carcinogenic. I also posted a lot about that many times before.
I do not believe in keeping amalgams in my mouth, because they created more problems for me than the Lyme infections. The Lyme infections would probably not have taken such a toll had I not had many amalgam fillings and many root canals.
I would adivse anyone to really check all this out thoroughly. I believe in turning the gas stove off when the gas is leaking into the room! As long as there are neuological symptoms, mercury most likely plays a role. Mercury is the worst neurotoxin and we are now surrounded by it. We have dug all the heavy metals up, Trees absorb it - any forest fire - and we are back to more in the atmosphere everywhere.
I don't know what it costs to remove them - look for a biological dentist or holistic dentist and do ask these questions. Also get tested for the replacement material before you do. Any good holistic dentist knows about that by now and can test you or can have you tested.
Hope this helps.
Take care.
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About detoxing heavy metals in a week: that's what I seem to have done with light, using the Photon Wave.
What I couldn't do in more than 2 years of herbs, supplements, etc, I think it was done in a week.
Same happened to my daughter, who's almost 5 now. She was born with mercury. All gone this last week, with 3 treatments. And we've been trying to clean her for years too!!!
We're both having some kind of strange reactions to this treatment with light, I have now borrelia testing again (it was dormant before) and my daughter is having aphtous ulcers all over her mouth.
I went there with a friend who's got active borrelia, arthritis, and she's got strong detox reactions to the light treatment too.
I feel 'lighter', my mood is lighter, my skin mycosis is gone ... Things are happening. I was treating mycosis with Sanum homeopathics, but they stopped testing after the first light treatment.
The lady who treated us has the same borrelia nosodes used by dr. W. and she said she uses these nosodes to treat people. But she first starts with heavy metals, then tests people for vaccinations, when these are cleaned, she'll test for parasites and pathogens (borrelia included) and treat these.
she won't do all at once because it would be overwhelming, she said.
All she had to do is treat patients with 6 minutes of light (through the eyes), then talk about how to help the body detox. That's as simple as it. Very similar to what dr. W. does, but he's more into a 'serious' detox (probably because the Bionic 'detoxes' borrelia, coinfections and heavy metals all at once!!). She does by steps.
Light is taken only through the eyes!
I can hardly believe most of my heavy metals are out in ONE week, but my tests confirm her tests!!!
And there must be a reason for borrelia to be alive again (it woke up since Wednesday, at least in our energetic tests).
I'm testing for borrelia nosodes potency D8, even though I feel nothing, none of my dozens of lyme symptoms are present and I just test for none of my magic herbs or supplements. So I leave my body doing the work so far.
On Monday, borrelia was not testing for her too (before my first session with light).
The treatment is very unexpensive and fast. The fact that my borrelia showed up does make me think about the close relationship between borrelia and heavy metals (and my constant relapses).
The aphtous ulcers from my daughter point to herpes (I still need confirmation though). I'm also guessing they came up with the release of hiding places for herpes, since her metals are out. She never had it so bad as now.
Photon Wave machines are in the US already, she told me.
I still can't believe I'm free of mercury. It's been a war of more than 2 years for me.
I'll pursue this light treatment wiht dr. W.'s nosodes (that's how she treats her own patients). In case they still test, of course, after this cleansing.
The only sure thing for now is that for the first time since I started treating lyme, I test negative for mercury. And so does my daughter. We did two tests, hers (ART) and mine, they confirm each other.
I tested my friend too, who came with us, and was positive for gold and other metals first, after 4 days, these tested negative (in both tests, mine and the lady's ART).
If eliminating borrelia is as fast as eliminating metals, this machine can possibly compete with the Bionic!!
I can only take her word, that it works very well and as fast with pathogens, as much as it did with heavy metals.
I can hardly believe this, I mean, that I'm free of most heavy metals. I still need to see if I still got some showing up later (peeling the onion theory)...
She charges very little for each time we use the machine. It's totally unexpensive for what it does.
I think that what the naturopath or doctor has to know is basically how to manage die off and toxic overload reactions. The rest is done with light!
She confirmed the use of Borrelia nosodes potency LM4 and LM6 as preventive of tick bites.
She's gone to a conference about light in Germany. It's happening this week in Heildelberg!
This makes me think that there are other modalities of treatments for borreliosis out there, to be discovered.
She herself got cured from cancer with light, that's when her adventure started.
Selma
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Where is the lady who treats you located? Would you mind pm'ing me her contact info?
Thank you,
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Sorry, I forgot to say which machine, it was the Photon Wave. I went to Brussels for treatment, but there are dozens of machines all over Europe. The lady who treated me is not in Brussels but in Flanders (north of Brussels).
Google Rainbow Flash & Photon Wave, you'll find it. Her site doesn't say much, the lady is a bad marketing person...
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Hi Selma, So glad you posted your experience. I am so happy for you.I know you have worked very hard to get well. I am also glad to see their are alternatives that are less expensive. I think I had heard of the Photon in Calif. Can't remember where. My MD feels it will be light and energy that heals us. Please keep us posted on your new wonderful journey. Healing blessings Joyce.
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i am wondering, however if you can post the link to her site, if you feel comfortable with it, because i cannot seem to find it...but then again i cannot think clearly that often. or pm if you would rather, please. thanks a lot and feel better john
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This greeting to you, Selma, should really go on a separate thread. I think I posted several on the Photon Wave, but can't find it. So here my comments. Missed you.
Selma,
Glad you are having good results, but keep checking. Metals come in dribbles. Good luck. Here some of my experiences with colors. Besides treatment with CD's = colors also produce sound ----
This is a fantastic instrument - I was treated with its forerunner, identical technology, just a little fancier today, in 1998, etc. In fact, I have it here in our home - it's having a vacation here in our living room.
The instrument is not in all to many medical practices in the US, while you will find them all over Europe. The price is in a similar range/higher than the Bionic. If psychological problems are dominant also, with Lyme, the colors have a deeper effect, just as homeopathics have in the higher dilutions. (We are now treating metals in the very high K1000 with Bionic with light) and they are still forthcoming. I will have to get the photon wave out and test it together with the Bionic.
Dr. K. did a study in 1990 with lab analyses and found the increase in NT stimulation, and more. He found that one treatment with Photon wave equals 20 treatments of Tomatis. And it almost needs little if any added medicines.
My husband did not nearly have the output of heavy metals as with the Bionic, and it did not eradicate the Lyme. He still had it full force when we got to Dr. W. After 3 weeks of Bionic, they were gone. Same testing techniques, etc.
I am sure it has to do with the depth that has to be reached, and that is where the colors come into pay, I think. Any Unresolved Emotional Conflicts often a part of a disease process can be addressed easier with light/color.
The forerunner was the Lumatron. Today's Photon Wave contains a fully automatic computerprogram for frequencies and colors.
Color is extremely effective to stimulate the neurotransmitter metablism - but it is not known which color stimulates which one. It affects the autonomic nervous system and the brain function is stimulated. It also encourages the body's own regulation and detoxing mechanisms.
For detoxing metals - 2-3 minutes of yellow-green to mobilize, and double the time of turqoise and blue to detox.
Add a glass of water while treating to the light and colors and drink the water as med afterward. Don't use lead crystal or plastic. Clear glass. Anything can be added to the light/color: nosodes, allergens, all detox meds in vials, and
We use it occasionally, but you reminded me that I should turn it on more often choosing of course the right color and frequencies. I made myself test vials of all the frequencies and all color combinations --- it was fun. I used it quite a bit when I was still down and under with Lyme, very early into treatment. It didn't seem to be as effective for me then. But, I think, as you say, once the toxic load of anything has been lightened, the color goes deeper. Yellow-green/turquoise-blue/indigo with the vials of mercury etc. against the plexi resonator for mercury, etc.
I know it is used for a great number of problems --- hyperactivity, ADHD, ADS, Legasthenia, eye diseses, light sensitivities, night blindness, skin diseases, whip lash, CFS, PMS, Immune problems, sexual problems, depression, stress, pain, suizidal tend. Of course for bacteria, viruses, parasites, mycosis (fungi/mold).
With many diseases, the optic nerve is affected and therefore can pick up less light than when well.
In general - red light activates - blue sedates.
Effect of colors? Red tones on physical level. Blue tones on mental level. Green tones on emotional level.
Here a few colors for certain symptoms:
Lazy eye - red-orange If sympathetics and parasymp. are in balance - turquoise. Too little parasymphathetics: red colors to little sympathetics: blue colors Immune System, pancreas, intestines: yellow (half our family room turned into yellow when I was sick.....pillows, d�cor)
It goes on and on. I test colors with Biotensor
With many diseases, the optic nerve is affected and therefore can pick up less light than when well. Therapeutic light goes via eye to Cortex, brainstem, hypothalamus, limbic system (emotions) to epiphysis - hypophysis - on to the hormon glands!
Just a few things interesting and what color and light can do.
Take care.
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When I lived in Santa Fe my then bf and I had a Lumatron in our home among many other things because he wrote about all kinds of healing technologies. Dr. K lived in Santa Fe then and borrowed the Lumatron from us to experiment with. I used to give myself treatments for fun (I was relatively healthy then). I liked the deep red.
Selma that's cool, thanks for reporting, I'll look it up.
Selma, why the LM4 and LM6? You can take them even if you have borrelia and not get some kind of homeopathic aggravation? I really want to know how they arrived at those two potencies as obviously the northeast is full of ticks. Thanks.
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i think the expense is not much considering most of us that have been at this for awhile have already spent in excess of 100k. (i know i have....)
i plan on going as soon as i hear scott's report as i know it will be un biased and reliable.
cheers
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Djf== are you planning on going to germany??
I am waiting for more reports myself.. but considering it.
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Just booked my appointment with Dr. W. for my daughter and myself.
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Sorry guys, Gigi is right, I should have made another thread.
The link for the site was given by Gigi. It doesn't say much though.
Gigi, thanks for your deep and experienced view on the subject. I know other metals are still showing up (like barium and cobalt for me now), so I wonder if mercury will still show up one day.... I guess I understand what you mean with reaching different layers, from superficial to deeper ones....
I'm also 'healthier' now than when with active lyme, and my daughter has no lyme for more than a year, so... we could be easier examples for detoxing metals.
but anyway, Photon WAve is much more efficient (when used with metal nosodes) than the slow oral chelation we did for years. Mercury was always still testing for us both. Now it stopped testing (even if temporarily, but for me it's a step up, because I was almost giving up trying).
I would be VERY curious to see how you compare your tests to detox metals with the Bionic, Gigi.
I know it can easily be done energetically, and am EXTREMELY curious to see how the Bionic compare to Photon Wave in terms of efficacy (what tests best for what).
I know each case is a case, but I know you start to trust your energetic tests, so I'm very curious. I have lots of possibilities to be treated with the Photonwave close by, but less with the Bionic.
Photon Wave costs around 4500 euros, I think. The treatment cost depends on how much each practioner charges.
O2Babe, as for borrelia potencies LM4 or LM6, I don't think they do anything at all to lyme disease. So far, I never heard of anyone treating lyme with such high potencies of borrelia.
I never had any reaction to them and my lyme was still active (both chronic and newly infected). This lady swears it works well too. Before I only heard it through my lyme doctor. I know it works for me and family (and cats), by pure experience.
You still can get bitten, but I couldn't find borrelia in any of the ticks. The ticks that contaminated my daughter since we started with these nosodes had other critters but no borrelia (confirmed by S., the right hand of dr. K.).
It got once bart and something else, but no borrelia. This last one of this year got TBE though, but again, no borrelia. My daughter got out of both bites, bart only with light homeopathics, TBE with intensive treatment. But I do wonder what our lives would have been today if she had caught borrelia together as she caught first time...
As most ticks are contaminated with borrelia, well,you get bitten by very fewer ticks after taking these nosodes, I can assure you. The cost is ridiculous, it's about 25 dollars that will last few years.
What I'm thinking to do is to continue this detoxing with the Photon Wave, and who knows, still get to do the Bionic sometime next year.
Then I will know if the Photon Wave did the job of eliminating both metals and hidden borrelia, or not. If dr. W. still finds it, it means PWave did it to a certain extent, but not thoroughly.
Anyway, I guess Gigi is right again, that a sick body maybe won't take in the light through eyes as well as a healthier body. I did all MFT tapping while looking at the light, just by intuition.
I won't steal this thread anymore. I just passed very close to Pforzheim through the Autobahn from Belgium yesterday and thought about you guys around.
I guess, a combination of both treatments is not out of question either (before or after using the Bionic).
Good luck to you guys coming here, please keep your experiences posted.
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Dear Friends,
Here's the content of an email message to me this month from the manufacturer of the Bionic 880 about the price difference between keeping it in Europe and taking it back to the US.
Please find attached a Broshures of Bionic 880 and the treatment advise for Lyme diseas according to doctor med. Woitzel.
In the time being many lyme patient are coming to Germany for treatment and consulting. On their way home they take a Bionic 880 with to continue their treatment. The standard price for the Bionic 880 is EUR 6,400.00 CIF destination. For those person who come to Germany for consultation and treatment the price is USD 5,800.00 only.
If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.
With best regards
H. Buschk�hl GmbH
Buschk�hl Managing Director
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Tuesday, October 21, 2008
5,800.00 Euro = 7,782.44 US Dollar 6,400.00 Euro = 8,587.52 US Dollar
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The price is USD 5,800.00 only??????
Are you sure he is saying USD 5,800.00 ?I have heard people mentioning EURO 5,800.00 .
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Alv, you are right..it does say 5,800 USD..... Wow!Big price difference! N/
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Cass A
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Dear Friends,
The head of the firm said what he said! I was pleasantly surprised also!
If you USE IT or KEEP IT in Europe, you have to pay the Value Added Tax, which is very large. If you're exporting it, you don't have to pay the tax, as long as you get it directly from the manufacturer and it's taken directly out of the area (won't bee used in Europe).
If you buy it from someone who has paid the tax, they will, of course, pass it on to you.
Hope this helps!
Best,
Cass A
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GiGi
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Fivethousandeighthundred is in Euros. Not US Dollars. It is a mistake I am sure. Better check with Buschkuehl Co. to make sure.
Only if you take it out and get a custom office export stamp at the airport before you leave is the VAT tax of 19% taken off the price. That is the law of the land.
For purchases in the country to be used in the country the price is Euro 6,400 plus 19%.
They reduced the price to Euro 5,800. for people going over and being treated by Dr. W. to ease the pain a bit. I am not sure how long -- it is for right now -
I called Mr. Buschkuehl for a friend for ex-cancer-tumor patient who is considering the Bionic for after cancer care. It is working well for keeping cells healthy.
Take care.
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sixgoofykids
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The problem I have is not with discussion but with judgments - ie people who support this are making money off it. That's all I'll say on that topic.
I am without painkillers now since the day of my first treatment, and I don't need them. I still have a little pain, but nothing like what I was having prior to coming here.
Steel, Willow and I are having busy day after busy day. We do not just sit around our apt all day. So, we have pretty good energy. We do still get tired as Lymies do, but I see a huge improvement in that area as well.
Remember, we've only had TWO treatments!!! Today is treatment number three, so you can check my blog later tonight or tomorrow.
I see promise in this treatment and no danger ... all it is is shining a light on various points while nosodes and borrelia vials are taped to your solar plexus. Seems too simple to be true.
If I do get well from this, I will come back every couple months to give an update. If I get well from this, I won't be able to stick around and answer questions about abx treatment because I will believe in this treatment ..... so we'll see how it goes. So far, so good.
If Willow or Steel have anything noticeably different than I do, I'll post that in my blog. We all three still get some fatigue, but not that disabling fatigue .... we all three get some pains, but not as bad. Remember, we're not even halfway through treatment yet.
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I so thank you for the update ! We are hanging on every word you post , believe me. I have been on ABX three years and see no real hope with them . I think they are causing many problems for me, so I hope this will make a lasting difference for you , and give us all a reason to hope.
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gigi, I was wondering if there was anyway I could ask you a question privately... please???
Thank you
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Thanks Gigi, for taking the time to respond in such detail to my question. I agree with what you are saying, I'm not sure if I can afford to take care of my dental work and go to Germany though...
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Angelica
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Unexpected search this thread and others. Gigi posts her email address so people can contact her.
I can see why she does not allow PM's I have received a couple of strange ones here myself but many more positive ones.
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Cass A
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Dear Friends,
After GiGi questioned the data I had on the price of the Bionic 880, I emailed the representative at the company again. His previous email was incorrect--it should have been EURO 5,800 not USD 5,800.
The full text of his reply is below.
Best,
Cass A
The price for the Bionic 880 is EUR 6,400,00 if we ship to Canada and other countries exl. USA. For patient who come to Germany and pick up a system, they pay EUR 5,800,00plus 19% VAT
The VAT will be paid back at the airport by customs before you leave Germany.
I hope you are well informed
Mit freundlichen Gr��en
Heinrich Buschk�hl
Managing Director / Gesch�ftsf�hrer
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GiGi
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Unexpected,
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posted 21 October, 2008 02:44 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gigi, I was wondering if there was anyway I could ask you a question privately... please???
I do not use the PM feature because I have to get on Lymenet to read my mail, and I have no time to do that.
If anyone e-mails me, please identify yourself clearly - giving me a clue that you are from Lymenet. I get some very strange mail that I cannot identify and I simply send it to SPAM or delete it. I do not open it unless you give me some reference. Ahmet sent me a couple that I did not recognize and I sent him to SPAM too - poor guy! I finally caught it.
Will be looking for your mail, Unexpected.
Take care.
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i'm wondering who is headed there in late january/early february.... please zap me a pm if you can. thanks
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