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I'm doing so well on my lightworks protocol, I want to share.
Also, I want to be clear that I believe there are many ways out of the lyme jungle. You have to pick a good protocol, whatever it is, and stick to it with all your gumption. This particular treatment happens to be the one that is working amazingly well for me.
I was diagnosed two years ago with lyme, bart, babs, brucella, and who knows whatever else. Was having trouble getting out of bed, or functioning, esp after 2:30 in the afternoon.
Found out along the way I also have or have had klebsiella, strep pneumonia, mycosporidia, mucor race, and a good case of mycoplasma.
Treated lyme, bart and babs agressively for a year with complementary everything I could get my hands on, and got better. Then spent a week in ICU with my daughter, and just a few minutes of sleep. Got worse, then got better.
Took a long emotional sleepless road trip, got worse, and then got better. My father died in a small plane crash, and I got worse, and now better.
I'm using the Lightworks with nosodes from Deseret Biologicals. I quit doing anything for myself for Nov and Dec. Then beginning Jan I started up the lightworks and nosode protocol I had been using.
Three sessions of this in two weeks seems to have kicked out the corkscrews, along with a nasty case of meningitis I was having.
This protocol is working for me. Proof's in the workout. Sunday I had the best ski day I have ever had in my life. Hit the bumps hard, and gave my sigo a few pointers.
Today I did the full Navy Seals workout - an hour and a half of hard calisthenics and weight lifting. Okay so I did one third of the free weight suggested, but hey I'm a girl and a lymie.
Not only that, but my hydrocortisone intake went down from about 17mg a day on little exercise to 12mg a day on heavy activity.
Oh, and I forgot to do my B-12 shots the last several days.
That's how I gauge my recovery - on how much prescription meds it takes to keep me awake enough to cook dinner and do the dishes after, then fold some laundry.
This is still a very experimental protocol. It is based on Woitzels work with Bionic 880. I wouldn't call that experimental, as he has a great track record for recovery.
I have tremendous respect for his work, and I attempt to emulate it. The Lightworks is a different machine, and I'm not Woitzel, so the difference.
So I've done LYM in a small clear vial taped to my solar plexus, ten to fifteen points with the Lightworks, three times at 40 minutes each. (NOte: My first treatments with lightworks several months ago were UNDER A MINUTE EACH, and I still felt pretty tired and sick the next day.)
The first two times using this protocol this January I got very tired the day after. Each time I got congested lymph in the neck and arms that I clear with muscle movement.
I also take a pile of supplements, including magnesium, MSM, and biotox elim, and do sweats at 106 several times a week.
In addition, I have used Venex bee venom ointment daily.
All of this I do according to dousing, or energy testing of some sort. I don't think it would work nearly as well if I did it randomly. My advice for people wanting to try this protocol - first get a biotensor and learn how to test for what products and amounts will work for you.
I still have at least one more treatment left in me with this product for lyme and co's, then I am moving on to other pathogens. I have not started to treat mycoplasma yet, and still have chronic strep.
I want to be clear that I started this protocol initially when I was already almost well. I had recovered my strength and my life over a years treatment, and began using this protocol with new lyme flairs that took me down, but not way, way down.
I can't say how it would be for others with a longterm case starting from scratch. Of course I can't say how it would be for anyone else at all, besides myself.
I just want to post in case somebody else out there can get similar amazing results to what I am getting. I'm also eager to share notes with others who are doing this so we can look for some consistent patterns.
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Here's a summary of how I use lightworks with nosodes:
forhead A, B, F base of scull A, B, F throat - B thymus (below collar bones) - B above navel - B below navel - B inside wrists - C inside ankles - C Ears - C Bottoms of feet - C internal organs as needed - B lymph nodes as needed - C gates - inside crotch of thumb and forefinger, same with toes - F
I started out at a total of about 20 seconds, and now I usually do about a forty minutes at a time.
I use muscle testing to determine which settings and for how long at each position. You can use a biotensor for this.
Some people seem to get results without nosodes and some people don't.
I do use nosodes. You have to get good at muscle testing to be effective at this, I think, or else have a paractitioner to work with who can help you test for how often and how long to use the nosodes with the light.
I have used too many nosodes at a time and gotten completely flattened for several days afterwards. I wouldn't want to see that happen to anybody.
I have been using LYM from DB. This is a combination of several nosodes. If you are new to treating lyme, I'd certainly start with something else.
My preference would be to start with the Bartonella Series Remedy, then the Borrelia Series remedy, then move on to LYM - less pathogen information in the mix in that order.
I understand there is a website where you can buy Deseret Biologicals without a doctor's order. I still feel very strongly about using some form of good energetic testing to make your choices.
I am rather professional at testing, myself, but I still go to somebody else to help me check and double check my products and timing.
Please go slowly and carefully.
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Bejoy, Someone just started a Lightworks group on www.lymefriends.com. I'd be thrilled if you would join the site and contribute to the group. I am getting one soon and your expertise is unmatched.
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I've copied and filed all your posts on using the Light Works.
I'm still going very slowly at it right now. I think immune allergies are holding me back so I've ordered the allergy testing from Allergie-Immun and will do the drops.
Maybe if I can get some of that mess out of the way, I can move along faster with the Light Works. For me, this has been a powerful machine and I've had to be careful.
I do have a Biotensor which is a tremendous help on what frequencies and amount of time I should use. I do a lot of detoxing too.
Wht will you do with the chronic strep? Have you found a nosode for that? Hiker53
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I think I did two Lightworks sessions before beginning nosodes. I started out very slowly. The first one was just a few minutes, and floored me, so I backed off to under a minute for quite a while, especially once I started nosodes.
The strep pneumonia vial came from my chiropractor. He made a copy for me. I think the original probably came from ergopathics.com
Wow, I'm sore today. But I was able to back down to 10mg of cortef. Amazing for me. Any time I've tried that before, I fell asleep at the computer, and woke up the next day with raging cold sores. So my immune system and adrenals seem to still be happy about this whole project.
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Thanks for posting. I will take note of your experiences...
All the best for continued progress!
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I have a question regarding the nosodes. I am using the photonics light machine now, but have not yet used it with nosodes.
I did get the bartonella series and borrelia series from deseret, but they came in the brown glass vials. I have heard from others, that we need to transfer these to clear vials. Where do you buy these clear vials?
I am combining light treatment with rifing and having amazing results. I would like to add the nosodes to the light treatment now.
I have done three light sessions with the photonic machine and I definitely get a little achey afterwards, but it goes away quickly.
My bacterial load is very low, so I am able to use it for over an hour. I do 5 minutes at 10 points and then use it on my lower back/hip area for pain (i don't think this pain is related to lyme).
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I used the lightworks last night and am miserable today. No nosodes. Auto cycle on navel area. Maybe I am in denial, but this can't for real be a herx? I a flushed and my tremors have increased. No fun. If this is a herx, it hit my cns. Can it do that? I hope I am not getting worse. Also a little breathless as well. Robin62
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quote:Originally posted by maureen2174: I have a question regarding the nosodes. I am using the photonics light machine now, but have not yet used it with nosodes.
I did get the bartonella series and borrelia series from deseret, but they came in the brown glass vials. I have heard from others, that we need to transfer these to clear vials. Where do you buy these clear vials?
I am combining light treatment with rifing and having amazing results. I would like to add the nosodes to the light treatment now.
I have done three light sessions with the photonic machine and I definitely get a little achey afterwards, but it goes away quickly.
My bacterial load is very low, so I am able to use it for over an hour. I do 5 minutes at 10 points and then use it on my lower back/hip area for pain (i don't think this pain is related to lyme).
How do you do both, Maureen. You have the EMEM? Robin62
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I have been using the LW for over an hour everyday with nosodes. Last night while using it I got chills and EXTREMELY tired... but when I was done I had a little more energy and actually slept well... Not sure it was LW or not??
Very interesting though and I will be charting all of my reactions.
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I'm still doing great. High energy and focused (all on a relative scale of having had lyme all my life.) I'll probably treat for lyme still once or twice a week for a while.
Strept symptoms in jaw and microsporidia symptoms in bladder demanding attention. They are next before I can go after mycoplasma.
Got my test kit with numerous vials from ergopathics for variety of lyme bacteria and co-infections. Time to test them all.
Came down with an inflamed eye yesterday. Eye dock says scleritis.
I'm down to 10 mg Cortef a day. That's a very big deal for me. Today I'll try for 5mg, and see if I end up with cold sores from the dark side or smooth sailing. The eye inflammation could be part of coming down too quickly. Don't know.
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How many seconds/minutes did you use the Light Works?
I would say you are having a reaction to the LW machine. It kick-starts the cells into making more ATP or energy in each cell.
Are you detoxing a lot? One thing that has helped me (thanks to Bob) is drinking fresh lemon water all day long. Cut the lemon in 1/4ths.
I've had to really start out slow (only 3 or 4 minutes) or my reactions are too strong. I also can't do it every day or even every other day.
Sandy
I got into my infrared lamp sauna and felt better. Started back on chlorella. Was doing clayand fiber. My adrenals can't take much. I did the full auto cycle without nosodes, thinking it would not be that bad. I still am not sure it was a die off... but... ??? I will continue to use and see what happens. I was messed up there for a while. Will try the lemon. Thank you.:-) I would love to continue to hear other experiences. Planning to get those vials to experiment with the nosodes.
Is there anyway to target areas... like use on spine and head to get CNS? Or does it matter where you use the light? Does it need to be on the specific points?
Robin
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Can anyone order those vials from Ergopathics???
Thanks!!
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quote:Originally posted by bejoy: A supplier for clear vials:
Got my test kit with numerous vials from ergopathics for variety of lyme bacteria and co-infections. Time to test them all.
Bejoy.. are these homeopathic vials or energetic and it doesn't matter?
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The ergopathic test vials are computer generated. They are not nosodes made directly from the pathogen, but copies of nosodes. I don't know if it matters.
The one I have used so far was effective. I can't say how different a hand potentised nosode might or might not be.
At the moment I am getting a reading from the lyme test kit on one borrelia, the two vials of lyme virals and from two of the vectors (ticks themselves.)
It makes me wonder if there may be other unidentified pathogens contained in the ticks used initially to create this energetic signature, that I have not run into in other testers.
Good news is not a hint of reaction to Bartonella or Babesia. I treated both of those heavily with DesBio and also herbs. Looks like those are fully a thing of the past.
Mycoplasma is still a mystery to me. I react to most of the vials in the box, but some more strongly than others. It may just be that similar mycoplasma energy signatures would help my body deal with the one I have.
I'll have a practitioner test with these kits on Tuesday.
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I am reading a thread here on Bionic 880 and amalgams.. recommended NO amalgams while treating. Anyone with amalgams using the Lightworks and are you noticing anything negative as far as mercury mobilization, funny taste in mouth, etc?
Thanks! Robin62
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has anyone found freqencies that seem to work more than others? Then, on the reverse of that, ones that work less for activtion of immune reaction... example: I used the inflammation frequency on my lower back alone and nothing happened other than I think the pain reduced.. then, I only used for 4-5 minutes as opposed to completing the autocycle placing paddle on navel area which was followed by an intensity of tremors and breathlessness into the next day/ herx or coincidence, don't know yet. Robin62
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Is there anyway to target areas... like use on spine and head to get CNS? Or does it matter where you use the light? Does it need to be on the specific points?
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That's amazing Bejoy! I'm really happy for you. It's so wonderful for you to share. Robin asked some great questions. One I'm wondering about is there a way to order the nosodes without a practitoner?
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You could have a friend who is a nurse, social worker, or massage therapist order from ergopathics for you. I think they just need to know that you are a "health practitioner."
Or you could explain your situation and ask for an order without a professional license, and see what he says.
I do think that specific frequencies on specific locations promote additional benefit.
I can't say what you have to do to make this work. I can only say what is working for me. This protocol is loosely based on Dr. Woitzel's work with the Bionic 880.
Reprint from above:
Here's a summary of how I use lightworks with nosodes:
forhead A, B, F base of scull A, B, F throat - B thymus (below collar bones) - B above navel - B below navel - B inside wrists - C inside ankles - C Ears - C Bottoms of feet - C internal organs as needed - B lymph nodes as needed - C gates - inside crotch of thumb and forefinger, same with toes - F
I started out at a total of about 20 seconds, and now I usually do about a forty minutes at a time.
I use muscle testing to determine which settings and for how long at each position. You can use a biotensor for this.
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I ordered from ergopathics myself, no problem at all. They didn't even question me about it.
I am not using the light therapy and rife at the same time. sorry, i wasn't clear about it. I use them both, but not at the exact same time. I have the EMEM and the Doug Coil machines.
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I have been using it everyday this past week but not always with the nosodes as I am experimenting.
Tonight I was feeling HORRID.. SOB, Dizziness, head pressure, joint pain, muscle pain, fatigue, slurring speech, slowed speech, unable to get words out, feeling off balance and heart palps, These are my daily symptoms but in varying degrees of intesnsity...
I just finished using the LW for an hour and am feeling better.. not completely but symptoms went from a 9 to a 5 and I find that very cool!
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I use lightworks with nosodes two or three times a week with nosodes, depending on dousing/muscle testing.
I generally only use one, or sometimes two nosodes at once. LYM is several nosodes together, but I can tolerate these because I have done the big ones individually in the past.
Good news - I sucessfully treated a recurrence of interstitial cystitis with a urine autonosode made from a duplicator machine, placed in a vial. It had been very painful. Now it is halfway better. I'll treat again today.
I helped a friend use lightorks this week. We did a 30 minute session with a fungal vial she got from an Assyra practitioner.
Shortly after on the same day I got hammered with heavy flu symptoms. This is consistent with previous fungal herxes I have had before. I also suddenly got a painful inflammation of the eye. I don't know what it's about yet.
It may or may not have something to do with the above autonosode treatment, however, I reacted directly after the session with my friend.
I think I inadvertently treated myself for the same or similar fungal issues she is being treated for.
I had my hands directly on the tops of her feet as I shown the light through the bottoms. What was I thinking?
On the one hand, I may have been just lacking in careful protocol and feeling invulnerable. On the other hand, it felt right to do it. On some level my body may have known that I needed the treatment, and so I put my hands on and kept them there.
It also makes me wonder if I may have been inadvertently treating her for energies I carry in my body. Not too wise, without checking all these variables carefully.
Biophoton users be warned when working with others in the room. We don't know entirely the power and nature of what we are playing with.
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Bejoy, congrats on your treatment, I'm glad you are feelign better.
I suspect the PE1 I have is MUUUUUCH more stronger than your lightworks. I would NEVER be able to tolerate even 30 minutes of treatment a day. I wonder if I even got 15 minutes in a day...
The use of nosodes DON'T test on pulsed mode for me, ever. Only on continuous mode. And the amount of time is only a couple of seconds in each accupuncture point, so the whole treatment with nosodes go no longer than 3 minutes in a day or even in many days (as the nosode stops testing in the days after).
I get strong 'no' to continue more than about 12 seconds in most points, and I usually use only 30% of potency. So I do believe the PE1 in continuous mode work more similar to the Bionic as the time that is tested is so small. I've been testing on other people too, and it is consistent, the amount needed is minimal.
I am also using Nogier, but without any homeopathic (they don't test simultaneously). THese Nogier frequencies are applied for longer time than continuous mode, and so far, what tests longer are the parts with longer term trouble, like GI and my skin from hadns and feet.
But as I said, I don't think I ever spent more than 15 minutes a day with all light treatments. The improvement I'm getting is almost next to unbelievable, it's just too good to believe.
I'm only taking coptis decoction twice a day, and as cleanser, taking mostly rechtsregulat and citrokehl +ubichinon. That is about all. I just took my Sanum products
My daughter didn't eat her birthday cakes because she fell sick, so I ate almost two chocolate and orange cake since Saturday, and got absolutely no flare from mucor or other critters. They even don't test anymore.
I only keep testing for a strain of mycoplasma, but without clear symptoms. I stopped herxing, i guess, more than 90% of my herxes dissappeared. I think it is because I treat with nogier frequencies, almost daily.
GI always wants treatment, my skin that had been sick for almost two decades too. Then a bit on my knee that got lyme arthritis long ago, then my skull, and some muscles that got toxins.
Somehow these Nogier frequencies push out toxins that are stuck, I start to believe. The PE1 is more potent than Lightworks, so it may reach all over the body, I think... Also because of the time needed for everyone around me, the time of treatment is very reduced and fast.
I gotta go now
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Thanks Bejoy and Brussels for sharing I have problems with interstitial cystitis as well. How did you get the urine autonosode? I think Robin asked earlier if anyone had issues with amalgrams when using lightworks since this seems to be an issue with the Bionic?
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What is the difference between the Constant setting on the Lightworks (frequency 0) and the Continuous Mode on the PE-1? What frequency(ies) is Continuous Mode hitting or is that also frequency 0? Thanks, Robin
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Thanks for all the info everyone!
I don't know the answer to the mercury question. I still have 4 fillings left & I'm using the LW. I'm not sure if mercury is a big issue for me like it is with others.
Of course, no mercury is preferred but I have had numerous tests done for mercury toxicity & it hasn't been a big issue for me. Even if you get the fillings removed - it's still present in the body, environment, food...
I think some people may be more sensitive to it or have worse issues with it than I have.
It may be a good idea to give your body a rest for a day or 2 after treating with the infrared light. You can detox or drink lemon water in between sessions. I don't think it's a good idea to overdo it.
I'm not sure if stronger light really makes a difference. From what I have read, your cells can only absorb so much light... I believe I did get ill from using too much light, though.
Less seems better until you work it up. Even then, we don't really know if it can have an adverse reaction somewhere down the line.
I've read that some types of light can cause oxidative damage. I don't think infrared light can do this but it may be good to play it safe. Anti-oxidants may be helpful to take at some point.
I haven't done alot of energetic testing on this issue. Just mainly experience & research.
One word of advice - go slow & don't overdo it.
PS - Constant or continuous mode means the light is not pulsed - with the Nogier frequencies, the light is pulsed to a specific rate. With constant - it's just on, not pulsed.
Some people feel that the pulsations effect different systems of the body. Dr. Nogier did alot of research into this - hence - Nogier frequencies....
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OK. I'm trying to get this straight. I am technically challenged.. so.. please bear with me.
(1) Lightworks on Nogier frequecies with nosodes is good. Take it slow. Hit the points mentioned. Nosodes under tongue or in vial taped above navel.
(2) Lightworks on Nogier frequencies without nosodes unclear. Some say die off. Some say not a good idea, just stirs up the Lyme. ??
(3) Lightworks on Constant mode.. any comments? Would that perhaps helps with relaxation and repair as nonpulsed light is reported to do? Or is that like the Continuous mode on the PE-1 and possibly a "killing mode" as well?
>>PULSED VS.CONTINUOUS LASER They discovered that if they used a pulsed laser light, the tissue healed rapidly. On the other hand, if they gave a continuous beam, it sedated the cell and killed the pain. When a single frequency pulsed light hit the cell, it actually stimulated the cell to start producing more protein than it normally does, and as a result, the cell would heal. Even when they took the light away, the cell continued its healing. The continuous beam had a reverse effect. It actually caused the cell membrane to relax; it killed pain, reduced inflammation and made muscle tissue relax. >>
I AM SO CONFUSED!!!!
Thanks for the feedback, Sparkle 7.
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PS - Constant or continuous mode means the light is not pulsed - with the Nogier frequencies, the light is pulsed to a specific rate. With constant - it's just on, not pulsed.
Some people feel that the pulsations effect different systems of the body. Dr. Nogier did alot of research into this - hence - Nogier frequencies....
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1. (Frequency F, 73 Hz) For use when cellular activity is hypoactive, such as chronic recurring problems, nonunion fractures and chronic splints and for stimulation of osteoid. It is also helpful in activating humoral and endocrine functions. Field work has shown setting 1 helpful in stimulating (tonifying) acupuncture and trigger points and increasing circulation in areas being treated, such as wounds when past the acute stage.
2. (Frequency G, 147 Hz) For areas of yellow scar tissue that are generally formed internally on tendons, ligaments and sub-acute (lingering but not chronic) conditions. Field use has shown setting 2 to be helpful in reducing inflammation associated with injuries and infections. This is often called the ``universal frequency'' because most problems involve inflammation.
3. (Frequency A, 294 Hz.) For tissue of ectodermal origin, such as body openings, skin and nerve. Field applications include wounds, eye injuries and after surgery. Setting 3 tends to tone tissue while minimizing the chance of hemorrhaging fresh wounds or recent surgical sites. It is also good for the treatment of acupuncture and trigger points, corneal ulcers and ulcerated mucous membranes. This is called the ``universal frequency'' in acupuncture.
4. (Frequency B, 587 Hz.) For circulatory and lymphatic stimulation and treatment of tissue of endodermal origin, such as GI tract, liver and pancreas. In field applications, setting 4 has been used in conjunction with 5 and 2 for tendon, ligament, joint and other injuries where reaching secondary levels of tissue is needed.
5. (Frequency C, 1174 Hz.) For tissue of mesodermal origin, such as bone, joints, ligament, viscera and tendon. Field experience has shown setting 5 to be especially good for tendon and ligament injuries when used with 4 and 2. It also helps in relaxing large muscle groups.
6. (Frequency D, 2349 Hz.) For chronic conditions not responsive to setting 3 or 5. Field experience shows setting 6 to be a good supplement to 3 when healing processes appear to reach a plateau.
7. (Frequency E, 4698 Hz.) For pain control, primarily when C nerve fibers are transmitting to dorsal root ganglia and when involvement of neurotransmitters is of physiological importance. Field experience shows 7 to help suppress pain and to sedate acupuncture and trigger points and aid in diminishing excess calcification associated with chips, spurs and arthritic conditions.
The relevant settings for cavitation patients are:
#2 for anti-inflammatory effects #3 for nerve involvement #4 to improve circulation #5 to encourage new bone growth #7 for pain (if applicable)
PS - I think it's OK to use the LW without the nosodes. Just be sure to detox after.
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Brite, I made the autonosode myself by taking a sample and succussing and diluting 30 times. Not too hard to make, but they are much easier to make on a duplicator potentiser machine, such as the Eagle Pro, Metabolics Casio, or a Radionics.
The autonosode continues to help some, but isn't the whole answer for me at the moment.
For some reason my bladder is very suceptible to any infections I get systemically. I have treated the bladder for candida, lyme, and several other fungals and bacteria.
In my mind there is no such thing as IC. They are all infections that can be traced and treated. So "IC" comes and goes for me.
I have discovered that IC in my case probably relates to an allergy to Chlorogenic Acid. This is a component in coffee, olives, apples, potatoes, etc. It causes problems with mucous membrane. This may also be the problem behind a persistent gum and sinus issue.
I attempted to clear this allergy with a chlorogenic acid energy vial and lightworks, but unsuccessful so far. I'll keep trying. I consulted with an accupuncturist today for ideas on making this process more successful, so we'll see.
I've been equally unsuccessful in convincing myself to give up coffee.
You can find references to the allergy to chlorogenic acid on Pub Med, so it's not just energy medicine esoteric.
R62, I don't think the light kills lyme. I think it just strengthens and detoxes the body, to assist the immune system in killing lyme. I think the nosodes inform the immune system about which specific pathogens to go after.
For me Lightworks and Nosodes has been phenomenal. I overdid it with light and nosodes shortly after the first post on this thread.
I had been doing great - and in fact am still free of meningitis symptoms for the first time since I can remember. I'm not sure how I survived it....
I got overconfident and treated two people for things for a couple of hours the day after I did a heavy treatment on myself for something else.
As it turns out I am very sensitive to molds and fungus. I knew that, but somehow I thought I could treat somebody else without getting the effects. Well she is now clear, but I just got a hard backlash. So now I have fungals and molds on my list of things to treat with some allergy elimination protocol.
So I am dealing with a bad eye infection that is systemic - GI and UTI as well. Found a good Sanum (nosode) today to go after it, so hopefully the light will help me kick it out.
Brussels, thanks so much with your help and encouragement with Sanum. Lots to think over and study, but I have a good start.
I'm still interested in the PE-1. From Brussel's reports, it is stronger and faster than Lightworks. Still for me, lightworks must be used with care, as it is strong medicine.
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Thanks for the update. You just have to keep peeling the layers of the onion so to speak. Cranberry juice may help but I think you are dealing with it on a more intense level. Just thought I'd mention it...
I think you can also do the crown of your head with the light. I believe it does penetrate the skull - which is good for getting any plaque or blebs, cycts, etc. that may be in the brain.
I was reading that Alzheimers can be caused by Lyme or a whole host of "modern" viruses & bacteria. Light, particularly at the 1072 wL, can be of help. I asked Russ at SOTA & he said they may consider doing the 1072 wL paddles. I hope so.
The base of the skull is good since it can get to the spinal fluid. Lyme cysts have been found there, too.
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Energetic testing has found mycoplasmas to be an issue for me. It's odd since I was tested 2 times - once by Dr. Garth Nicholson's lab & it was negative both times.
I've consulted with a chiropractor & got the Asyra reading. It said I had to treat a number of things...
Bejoy suggested mycoplasmas came up because it may be due to the pleomorphic forms of Lyme. Mycoplasmas & Lyme (in L-form, cysts, blebs, etc.) can be similar as suggested in a few studies I found.
Anyway- I used a pendulum & it said to do the Deseret Biologicals mycoplasma treatment with the LightWorks - not orally.
I ordered the clear vials, so I'm going to proceed that way when the vials arrive.
I also got some nice herbal combinations from the practitioner for my spleen, thymus, & adrenals plus some detox combinations (called TOX-EX & BACTO-EX). The brand is called InnoVita, which I never heard of prior to this.
They seem quite good from the list of ingredients but I just started them. I'll keep you updated.
Please post if you have any info regarding mycoplasmas.
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They have an interesting concept & a good variety of products. I've been taking supplements for probably over 30 years... These seem like something new.
(I don't sell them or make money from recommending them.)
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I am going to call the PE-1 people and ask them more info on continuous mode... I just dont get the difference between continuous and constant.. tho I do get no pulsing frequencies with the constant because it is frequency zero. I'm guessing that zero frequencies is the 880 or 660 nm alone, which is then just light therapy.. so thinking thats not the same as Continuous on the PE. There has to be some difference.
I just cant find an explanation on the PE website what continuous means.. continuous what? I'll ask them and spare you all the explanation. I may be paying them for the trouble.:-)
I will be so thrilled with myself when I finally "get it" and am so thrilled about the prospects of photon devices.
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Sparkle, brilliant about getting the clear vial straight from DesBio. Why not skip a step, and some cost besides.
Are you getting the mycoplasma series remedy homochord tester? Would that be about $12. compared to about $55.? We keep boiling this down to simpler ways to do things.
I picked up Sanum treatments today, was told to get them injected IV one every three days. Got home and tested that I could get a more powerful effect out of one vial and lightworks three times, without the needles.
I've made a great friend who has a room full of more testers than I would have imagined. When I sit in that room I get dizzy, and sometimes tank.
(Seems I have lots of work to do.) Forgot to take the dimple direct approach, but realized when I got home.
Many approaches are good, but I'll go for the cheapest, least invasive do it myself therapy I can find.
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I ordered the vials from the place you mentioned, bejoy.
Good ideas to ask them @ Deseret for extra vials & also about the test package vs. the remedy!!! I paid $50 for the Mycoplasma set. I got it through Dr. G so I'd have to ask him for the test kit next time when it comes to getting additional remedies.
I wasn't sure if I was going to take the remedy internally or use the LW with it. I got a clear response from my trusty pendulum to go for the LW with it.
Figuring out where to use the light, for how long, & at which setting(s) will be a whole other excursion...
I don't think there would be a difference btw. constant or continuous. I don't have the PE1, though.
I would like to get a biotensor but the pendulum has been working fine for me. It's about $300 more than I can afford at the moment. It's would be nice to have a Mercedes but all I have is a Ford right now... (so to speak)
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Okay, so to be clear:
DesBio sells the series remedy to consumers for about $55. This is a little kit of ten vials of different potencies.
You can get this kit, and transfer the liquid into clear glass vials.
Another option is to see if your practitioner can order you just the homochord, so you have all ten potencies in one brown glass bottle.
It may or may not be better to do the potencies one at a time, or all together. I don't know. I bet Brussels or somebody else would have an educated opinion on that.
The third option is to get your practitioner to order just the clear glass test vial of the homochord. I'm not sure if DesBio will sell test vials this way one at a time, or not.
The entire test kit of all their products is about $300. In the test kit you get homochords mixed together, but not the series remedies with the ten potencies in separate bottles.
Sparkle, I'll be interested to hear how the series remedy test for you - if the potencies are better individually or all together at once.
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I will take some fine tuning with all of this. I'm not too familiar with how all of this works with the DesBio remedies. I think the DesBio remedies are very good but I haven't had much experience with them other than reading their extensive catalog.
The idea of discerning between the homochord or test vials is very interesting. I will have to consider it further...
I'll keep you posted. I have to see if the clear vials will arrive today. They should be here soon. I already have the mycoplasma series set - so, I'll just go with that for now.
BTW- I have had dramatic relief from just using the InnoVita products! I would highly recommend them!
The Sanum products seem very good, too.
It was easier for me to go to Dr. G & get an Asyra. He recommended the direction to go in. I would never know how to begin without his objectivity & experience.
I'll see if it goes well. So far the InnoVita products have been phenomenal. I haven't even gotten to the DesBio remedies, yet.
It's alot to sort out by by yourself. Everyone is very different. We need some help to sort it all out. I don't think the "blue plate special" is the way to go for Lyme & the associated illnesses. We need individualized treatment.
It's just nice to know we can do these "forward" types of treatment without going to Europe.
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Hi Bejoy. I forgot about this thread. Thanks for getting back to me and explaining about the autonosodes. Sounds interesting. I'm a bit lost about how to use the desbio remedies. Do you use each potency one at a time when you tape it to your solar plexus? Or do you decide which potency to use via energetic testing? During a session can you use multiple potencies at the same time?
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Brite, that is exactly the question! I don't know.
I had already gone through the series remedies orally before I got a lightworks.
We are all still experimenting here. Even so, everybody is very different from each other.
Are you muscle testing or using a biotensor? Do you have an ART or kinesiology practitioner who can help you decide this?
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Hi Bejoy. I'm considering buying a biotensor and do know a kinesiology practioner.
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Brite, I've been thinking about it. There are many ways to do this, and we don't have any outcome studies whatsoever from this machine and these products.
I think if it were me, I might order the series remedy, and use it as directed. You take one vial every three days in increasing potencies. Then you could follow it by lightworks treatment.
You could take these internally or just use them in the vial. I'm not sure if it actually makes a difference if they are in the brown vials or if they need to be in clear ones.
Above all, I would test for amounts, potencies, and timing, and get the help of a professional if possible.
Given the option, I would spend the money to go to Germany to a professional who has the experience and can follow up with complementary treatments and IV's. But if you are up for experimenting, here are some ideas.
My thoughts are that it is better to go slowly, rather than overwhelm your immune system or your drainage systems. Err on the side of caution, as much as you can.
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HI Bejoy. Thanks for your help and advice:) I agree that going to Germany would be the better option. I think I'm too chicken to take the nosodes internally, I'd much rather use it externally lol.
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Robin, I guess the photons can cause herxes, even when only on Nogier. It is only a guess though, but my muscle tests say that some Nogier are killing.
Robin, I guess it matters where one uses the light. At least, that is what muscle tests say to me. The latest treatments we've been doing WITH nosodes are applied on: -r+l inner wrist - R+L ears - top of head, back of head (upper part of the neck, MFT4, both sides) - third eye - R+L thyroid - Thymus - belly button area (specially a bit under belly button), tailbone - MFT 8 L+R (under the arm, height of nipple) - back part of knees - r+L feet (soles) - R+L palms
Sometimes one point doesn't test or other points test (like front of knee for my daughter, inner elbow for me, but in general that's the treatment we do). We used about 1 or 2 seconds on direct mode (non pulsed) on each point, at about 30-40% of potency (PE1).
As for Nogier, I use targeted on specific problems. Mostly one frequency per problem. Only short term.
As for constant and direct mode, I guess they are the same (not pulsed)? In the PE1, the light is simply not pulsed, like if you turn a torch on. I can see some of Nogier flashing when frequencies are lower (programs A, B, C for example) but when frequencies are higher, I can't see them pulsing anymore.
I don't follow much the instructions from Nogier as they do seem a bit confusing. I go for energetic tests. There's a pattern in the end, deeper tissues needing faster frequencies for example... I feel it's easier with muscle tests in order not to overdo treatments. ---
Bejoy, the dark bottles didnt' work for us here. We needed the clear vials. We did a treatment with dark bottles, in the end of the treatment my daughter was still needing to ingest the nosodes... With clear bottles, the answer is always 'no'.
Bejoy, for my daughter, her mycoplasma seemed to be very much sensitive to Nogier and my muscle tests said that Nogier killed her mycoplasma. She was on other treatments, so who knows what is helping in the end... My lyme doctor found two strains, pneumoniae and I forgot the other.
Me too, we test for about 2-3 times a week with nosode treatment.
As for many potencies of nosodes simultaneously, we are using this type of treatment for both myself and daughter. So far so good, bearable herxes, nothing too bad as expected. But again, this is muscle tested and we're on lots of homeopathics for cleansing.
Tomorrow, my daughter will go for a D2, D4, D6, D8, D10, D15, D30, D60 from her autonosodes, then I will add a D15, D100, D200 borrelia from Stauphen if they continue testing like they did today.
and I'll try the whole series of stauphen for me, from D5 to D200 (10 nosodes) as they keep testing now for me. I'm a bit afraid, but I have to be faithful to my muscle tests. That's what I've been doing.
I think my daughter will stand it because we already did this multinosode in smaller scale a couple of times. I'm not sure about myself though.
I'm testing for most Buhner's herbs and a complete rizol mix, plus rubbing of bee venon on my EM rash, so... My borrelia got active after I treated my daughter with her autonosodes....
Bejoy, when you say the kit with all ergopathics is about 300 dollars, you mean, all the parasitic- bacterial ONLY, or do you mean, with all the others (food allergies, geopathic stress etc) INCLUDED?
Would you know to which 'potency' would the pathogen vials come in the kit? I paid MUUUUCH more here in Germany, but they are normal nosodes mostly in potency D6.
thanks for the info.
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Selma,
Ergopathics has kits for all kinds of things. You could spend thousands on them. I have no idea what potency they are, but they test as very weak. When I use them I put them on a copier potentizer machine to copy and potentize them to the strength I want.
This is all so esoteric, sometimes I don't believe I'm having this conversation. But it is working very well, so that's what matters.
The lyme and the mycoplasma kits are each $75. I found the lyme kit especially useful because it has Borrelia Garinii, which I have not found through any other company. I tested neg for any mycoplasma in the ergopathcs kit.
I had tested positive for the DesBio mycoplasma, but don't anymore. I remember now that that is one of the vials I played with right after a lightworks session, so who knows.
I use Nogier simultaneously with nosodes. It works for me. I think for me it is an added benefit, especially B setting for organs that carry pathogens. But I also think constant would work well on lightworks.
Trust yourself with your testing. You have the skill, and you can do this! You are amazing.
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I believe that the Bionic treatment by Dr. W uses 10 dilutions of Bb at once. I don't know if it includes the different strains of Borrellia - which may make a difference. I think it's the standard Borrelia burgdorferi sensu lato. There are quite a few strains, though.
The DesBio mycoplasma set has different strains in one remedy at the same potency. I think that may also be the case for their Lyme set. I believe their Lyme set has the co-infections included, too.
So, the treatment is a bit different regarding the different homeopathic brands. It takes some find tuning & using the BioTensor or Applied Kinesiology to focus in on the precise treatment. I think it can be done with some variations provided you are OK with doing some experimenting.
I tested for using the mycoplasma set with the LightWorks only - not to take it internally. I'm waiting for the clear vials to arrive. They should be here soon.
Thanks for the info about clear vs. brown vials. Do you know how much of the remedy is needed in the vial? I ordered some droppers, too.
What do you guys do with the remedy after you use it in the vial? Can it be re-used? Do you just save it for a future use?
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