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DT says only to rife every 12-14 days. That seems like a long time in between sessions.
My underestanding is you risk liver dammage if you do it to often?
I feel at this point I just haven't hit the right frequencies for babs yet. I'll keep trying.
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tickalert - where did you hear about liver damage? I have never heard this. I have seen that the people who improved rife more often than that.
It is my understanding that you should rife again once your herx from the last session is over and you are feeling good again. This may be more often than once every 2 weeks. Is this what you all think?
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My 2 cents - I am a new rifer with a very powerful machine running at low setting and I am SURE this kills spirochetes. Placebo - for me using this machine - absolutely not. I have had really dramatic herxes, many aspects of which are different from my usual symptoms or abx herxes. And noticeable changes even while the thing is running - eg speech going from normal to hestitant/slurry, pressure on top of head. I expect to go through alot of herxes from hell before I feel better from this.
I think Rosner's Lyme and Rife book is essential if you are going to rife.
There isn't hard science either way yet to say whether it can cause harm in the long term. Lyme causes me enough harm in the short term that for me, it's worth going for it.
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Some LLMDs care more about their patients well being. My doctor said she has had good success with Rife and gave me the name of a few places to get one!
I also talked a friend from Denmark and she said they are way more common in Europe and they have much sucess.
quote:Originally posted by seekhelp: I have no opinion or experience as I never rifed, but keep in mind LLMDs want to make $$$$. If rife worked and you didn't 'need them', why on Earth does anyone think they'd promote it even if allowed to by law? Like everyone else, they need to drive cars, pay for nice buildings, and have money right? We assume LLMD = selfless = no concerns over revenue and patient base and just an eternal wish to cure all patients anyway possible. It's idealistic, but not true many times.
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I have read posts for several years here and have to conclude that there are too many INTELLIGENT people here finding benefit from rife to ignore or write off . these people spend enormous amounts of time encouraging others and receive nothing for sharing their experiences . May I add that even with ABX , there is no silver bullet protocol. EVERYTHING IS EXPERIMENTAL as we travel this road . I am EXTREMELY GRATEFUL for people here who share their experiences . My neurologist said that if he wanted to know how successful a therapy was , he only had to quiz the patients trying it . If reasonable and honest people here report seeing a benefit REPEATEDLY , then it is wise to conclude that a modality indeed benefits those who see improvement , even if I am not among them . Jeepers .
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Throughout my journey with Lyme I've had 2 LLMD'S. When I asked my first one about rife he said, "Absolute garbage. They don't work. Forget about it." I did forget about it for a long time.
I switched doctors about a year later and went through another year of abx and antimalarials. I ordered a rife machine and told my new LLMD about it at my following appointment. He was so supportive and he told me that he personally knew of another LLMD who cured himself using a rife machine. He gave me the go ahead and I've never looked back. That was actually my last appointment with him or any other LLMD for that matter.
For some reason they don't work for everybody. Go figure. Neither does any other Lyme treatment known to man. I do know that it has worked for me though and it's definitely not the placebo effect. One thing is weight gain - I've been painfully skinny since contracting Lyme. No amount of abx, antimalarials or food could put weight on me. 6 months into rifing I gained 20 pounds and I NEEDED it. My brain fog is gone, I don't twitch, I'm not depressed, I don't ache, I no longer run fevers, my floaters are gone...it's been nothing less than amazing.
Add all this to the fact that I was SO skeptical when I got my machine. I expected it NOT to work. When it did work it blew me away. In order for the placebo affect to work you have to first believe that it will...
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I don't know personally whether Rife works. I have invested a lot of time into studying it. I know very little still.
I am out of typical options. I will Rife. If I am successful, I will encourage people. If it doesn't work, I'll simply say so.
In the end, the results "only" apply to me, not any other users.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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Lymielauren, thanks for sharing . I do believe it works for some people , and when it does work , they know it ! I am hoping to try it too after Lymetutu, Ernie's, and D bergy's improvement . A powerful herx would be a hard thing to imagine, and with dam- disease , I do not believe a placebo response could take place . The suffering is just too great .
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Lymielauren, thanks for sharing . I do believe it works for some people , and when it does work , they know it ! I am hoping to try it too after Lymetutu, Ernie's, and D bergy's improvement . A powerful herx would be a hard thing to imagine, and with dam- disease , I do not believe a placebo response could take place . The suffering is just too great .
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Shame on you WC for scaring people like that.
Give me break that that long list of doctors gave warnings like you stated.
I myself do not believe it whatsoever. If your saying that some doctors recommend not using to many electrical devices.. then please correct the above to say that.
You got people scared now of some other thing and that rife can cause cancer and it is said to be such a big risk by all those doctors as well.
Please.. come on now..
I really think that from other threads if something does not work for you you have a very Strong opinion about it and will speak in blanket statements against it .. using words like "worthless" "waste of your money and time" "does not work"
I am really frustrated reading this sort of feelings and energy in the threads lately..
Someone has to speak up..... Everyone is afraid to say what their feeling most of the time on this forum and then it builds up..
I have heard this same sentiment in PMS but nobody wants to step on any toes...
Sometimes you got to Step on a toe or even slam a foot with your heal..
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lymielauren28,
Which Rife machine did you have??? How long till results?
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Richidie, I have the EMEM. The firsat 3 months were really hard bc I was herxing so much from the treatments. After that I made huge improvements...
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quote:Originally posted by tickalert: DT says only to rife every 12-14 days. That seems like a long time in between sessions.
My underestanding is you risk liver dammage if you do it to often?
No, it's because you could herx way too hard if you do it too often. I never heard anything about it damaging the liver. I don't think that is true at all.
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quote:Originally posted by Dancer: I think Rosner's Lyme and Rife book is essential if you are going to rife.
Absolutely!
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Just like abx, the key is finding the right frequencies, exposure to frequencies for long enough and at appropriate intervals for your problems. Keep trying.
I've no doubt that rife's effect is not due to placebo. My dogs mites are almost gone using rife only. Eye hair has almost comletely come back and she no longer constantly shakes her head due to mites in the ears. We tried medication from the vet and the mites came back within a a few weeks. Rife works. The key is getting the right frequencies.
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Kebler is the one who has said you can destroy your liver if not careful rifing.
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I think we should all take great care when 'quoting' LLMDs.
I respectfully point out the following --
WildCondor originally said
quote: "some of the top LLMD have mentioned that some frequencies can be very harmful and cause cancer."
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quote: I have heard the Rife question being asked many times and the response was usually that Rife didn't work, could be harmful, could cause Cancer, and so on.
"could cause cancer" is not the same as saying "causes cancer" or "frequencies in this range (insert numbers here) have been shown by these studies (list studies here) to cause cancer".
If and when there is scientific evidence that specific EM frequencies or ranges do cause cancer, then the next questions are, which rife machines if any are capable of running those frequencies, are those frequencies being run by patients to treat Lyme, what kind of exposure times are needed to produce that effect....
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It does not take a whole lot of effort to find that the only frequencies that are even being considered as possibly having negative health effects are not even close to what are used in these frequency machines.
The frequencies that are questionable are all in the higher bands of frequencies used by cell phones and the towers, cordless phones, wireless internet and so on. Gigahertz range frequencies, or higher.
Either the people making these warnings are under the impression that frequency treatments are using these ranges, which they are not, or they are ignorant of the method in general.
Your stereo puts out the same range of frequencies, and I have never heard of anyone claiming a stereo can cause cancer.
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quote:Originally posted by lymielauren28: Richidie, I have the EMEM. The firsat 3 months were really hard bc I was herxing so much from the treatments. After that I made huge improvements...
Thanks, what's the EMEM? Do you have a link with info?
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No links available .. you'll have to contact her directly.
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How could you get a machine and have it be bad? Are they making junky machines? I see them all over Amazon.com with good reviews.
I doubt the placebo effect is a reality. I have been on abx for a long time. Do I think everthing has been erradicated? Hardly. Why are my hands and feet still green and blue?
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I don't know anything about anything (and I mean that sincerely, the longer I am alive--the more sure I am that I know NOTHING), but I have to chime in here about the so-called dangers or even ineffectiveness or craziness of rife-like therapy.
If one does even a cursory search of pubmed there are a boat load of studies using frequency treatment for cancer, parkinsons, alzheimers, MS, bone repair, wound healing, depression,......on and on.
There are currently trials going on (one in my home town- Chicago), where inoperable brain cancer is being treated by having patients walk around with a frequency machine by their side and electrodes attached to their heads---it seems to be working.
There is a company (Pico-Tesla Magnaceutical) on the way to FDA approval for low frequency treatment of Parkinsons. They are also testing it for type II diabetes. One may go to a drs. office and get FDA approved treatment with pulsed magnetic fields for depression.
I am not a tin-foil hat (although, I 'm not dissing tin-foil hats as a fashion accessory )type, and my entire family has used tons of abx and continues to do so, but unless one does their due diligence into rife-type therapies, it's easy to misunderstand it.
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All the LLMD's I mentioned by initial DID say that when I asked directly. Do I believe what they all said, NO! Don't any of you go to the Lyme conferences and ask questions? Keep in mind that is only a small sample of all of them and there are some who do endorse it. Also keep in mind that I was not their patient at the time so they could give me their opinion. They can NOT give a patient their opinion on what Rife does for a patient, that is against the law. Dr. J for example told me that some patients feel it helps them. When I talked to Dr. Z recently it was obvious that there were a few patients who swear by it but also one who had a miscarriage from using one who was not warned that you should not Rife while pregnant. Dr. B blatantly said it "causes cancer" while Dr. C said it "Rife can cause cancer" and we had a long conversation about the placebo effect of having a healing apparatus in front of you. Bottom line, do your own research folks. Because of this post, I asked Dr. C for the proof of what he was talking about to be emailed to me from the American Cancer Society. It is posted in the post below this.
Anyway, again, I have no stance on Rife one way or the other. If it works for you great, lovely. I would probably try it again if I was sick. There is no shame in trying to help people, or reporting back info I have gathered. All sides of the issue should be heard just be careful not to put your LLMD in a position where he/she might be breaking the law, they all have enough problems.
Anyhow here is the article you wanted Richie...the other from Dr.C is in the next post.
Rife Device Marketer Sentenced to Prison Stephen Barrett, M.D.
In February 2009, a jury found James Folsom guilty of 26 felony counts relating to his sale of unapproved medical devices. According to evidence presented at the trial:
* From 1997 through August 11, 2008, Folsom conspired with others to ship adulterated and misbranded Rife-type biofrequency devices in interstate commerce.
* The devices, sold under the names ``NatureTronics,'' ``AstroPulse,'' ``BioSolutions,'' ``Energy Wellness,'' and ``Global Wellness,'' consisted of a micro-current frequency generator with a digital readout, two stainless steel cylinders, and two personal application plates with connectors and lead wires connecting the device to the cylinders and the plates.
* Users were provided with an operating manual that set forth hundreds of digital settings for the device that were said to directed to specific conditions such as AIDS, diabetes, stroke, ulcers, and worms. Users were advised to connect the cylinders or plates to the machine and touch them to the body for a run time specified for each condition.
* Folsom purchased over 9,000 units, which he sold to distributors for approximately $1,000-$1,200 and to retail customers for $1,995, with sales of over $8 million. The devices were manufactured by Folsom and others in a San Diego location that he failed to register with the FDA as a device manufacturing establishment.
* Folsom used the false name ``Jim Anderson'' when selling the device and used post office boxes, self-storage units, and bank accounts opened in the names of others to conduct his business, all in an effort to avoid detection by the FDA. He also claimed that his devices were ``for investigational purposes'' and gave buyers the false impression that the FDA had approved them for investigation [1].
The jury also concluded that Folsom committed six of the offenses while on pretrial release. As a result, the Court concluded that he was not likely to refrain from further illegal activity and remanded him immediately into custody. In February 2010, Folsom was ordered to pay a $250,000 fine and was sentenced to 59 months in prison to be followed by 3 years of supervised release. The judge also ordered the destruction of more than 450 devices that the Government had seized during the execution of a search warrant at a self-storage unit used by Folsom [2].
The investigation was conducted by the FDA Office of Criminal Prosecution and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.
Folsom's device consists of a small black box with dials, a digital screen, and wires leading to a pair of stainless steel cylinders or metal plates. The box is plugged into an electrical socket, and a patient holds the cylinders or stands on the plates. The device was said to have been inspired by the work of Royal Raymond Rife (1888-1971), an American who claimed that cancer was caused by bacteria. During the 1920s, he claimed to have developed a powerful microscope that could detect living microbes by the color of auras emitted by their vibratory rates. His Rife Frequency Generator allegedly generated radio waves with precisely the same frequency, causing the offending bacteria to shatter in the same manner as a crystal glass breaks in response to the voice of an opera singer. The American Cancer Society has pointed out that although sound waves can produce vibrations that break glass, radio waves at the power level emitted by a Rife generator do not have sufficient energy to destroy bacteria [3].
Folsom is a former business associate of Kimberly Bailey, a Fallbrook, California woman who sold similar devices until she was sentenced to life in prison in 2002 for plotting the kidnapping, torture and murder of Richard C. Post III, her business partner and lover [4]. The evidence presented at her trial established that in August 1998, she conspired with John Bryon Krueger and Humberto Iribe to kidnap Richard C. Post, III. In 1998, in accordance with the plan, Bailey lured Post to Mexico where he was kidnapped by Iribe and men working for him. Iribe and his men held Post hostage in Mexico for approximately about five days, brutally beat him, and finally killed him. The evidence presented at trial and sentencing established that Krueger repeatedly met and spoke with Bailey and Iribe while Post was held hostage. The evidence further established that Bailey paid Iribe approximately $40,000 to have Post kidnapped and about $10,000 more to have him killed [5,6]. Krueger was sentenced to 12 years in prison and five years supervised release and ordered to pay a $25,000 fine. Uribe was eventually caught, pled guilty in 2007, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison [7].
Krueger, who had worked for Bailey, also received a concurrent sentence of 30 months for conspiring to introduce unapproved medical devices in interstate commerce. In pleading guilty, he admitted that he agreed to act as the Administrator of the Royal Rife Research Society, the purpose of which was to promote the use of Rife devices for the treatment and cure of diseases and physical conditions. Although the Society purported to be an independent research organization unaffiliated with any manufacturer of biofrequency devices, Krueger admitted that the Society referred likely buyers to himself or Bailey. References
1. USDOJ news release, Feb 17, 2009. 2. USDOJ news release, Feb 8, 2010. 3. American Cancer Society. Questionable methods of cancer management: Electronic devices. CA--A Cancer Journal for Clinicians 44:115-127, 1994. 4. Darc� K. San Diego man convicted of selling illegal medical device. San Diego Union-Tribune, Feb 18, 2009. 5. USDOJ news release, Nov 1, 2002. 6. Statement of facts. In Government's trial memorandum. USA v, Kimberley Bailey. U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida, filed June 12, 2002. 7. Manolatos T. S.D. man's abduction a cautionary, brutal tale. San Diego Union-Tribune, May 6, 2008.
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I got the article about the placebo effect I was talking about from Dr. C.
Here you go from the American Cancer Society
Questionable methods of cancer management: electronic devices.
American Cancer Society. Questionable methods of cancer management: electronic devices. CA Cancer J Clin. 1994;44:115-127.
Alternative Medicine: Expanding Medical Horizons. A Report to the National Institutes of Health on Alternative Medical Systems and Practices in the United States. Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office; 1994. NIH publication 94-066.
Barrett S. James Gary Davidson and the Monterrey Wellness Center. Accessed at: www.quackwatch.org on May 30, 2008.
Cassileth B. The Alternative Medicine Handbook. New York, NY: W.W. Norton & Co; 1998.
Lescarboura AC. Our Abrams verdict: The electronic reactions of Abrams and electronic medicine in general found utterly worthless. Scientific American. 1924;131:158-159.
Manesh AO, Flemming K, Cullum N, Ravaghi H. Electromagnetic therapy for treating pressure ulcers. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2006;(2):CD002930.
National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine Research Report. Questions and Answers about Using Magnets to Treat Pain. Accessed at: http://nccam.nci.nih.gov on March 29, 2007.
National Institutes of Health. Alternative Medicine: Expanding Medical Horizons: A Report to the National Institutes of Health on Alternative Medical Systems and Practices in the United States. Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office; 1994. NIH publication 94-066.
Rubik B. Energy medicine and the unifying concept of information. Altern Ther Health Med. 1995;1:34-39.
Sherman RA, Acosta NM, Robson L. Treatment of migraine with pulsing electromagnetic fields: a double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Headache. 1999;39:567-575.
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The day I start quoting Steven Barrett is the day I quit everything that is good and decent.
According to him we are all crazy, the IDSA is correct and LLMDs prey on us silly, delusional,stupid, patients----and I find him so shortsighted and offensive that I can't bring myself to accept that he has an audience........I can't believe that something he wrote would be used on this site as evidence that a treatment doesn't work. Come On! this is Lymenet---the site I would defend to the death for helping my family sooooo much.
Besides Barrett's drivel, here is some actual research into frequency treatment. There is a lot more, but hey, I do have to actually live this miserable thing I call a life
Here is the link (below)to the University of Illinois Chicago trial of the Novacure device from the article above. It's near the top---look for the device NovoTTF-100A- it has had really favorable local press and results.
Here is a link to a newsletter from Thomas Jefferson Hospital/Medical School in Philly about the collaborative work of Anthony Holland using a Rife-type treament for pancreatic cancer.
Look, I am not a cheerleader for anything, but even before I did any research into Rife, I always kept my mouth shut (because that is what I think one should do when they don't know what they are talking about AT ALL), but now I HAVE looked into this enough to know that it COULD work, and that there is slim to no evidence that it causes cancer---in fact there is mounting evidence that it could help cure it.
The one thing I have learning about Lyme is that no one cure has worked for anyone, so let's keep an open mind!!!!
Ok, back to taking care of my neuro-lyme husband who after 4 months of tigecycline is herxing on oral Omnicef---go figure! Long live borrelia!!! It needs no help from us.
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Steve Barrett is a NUT, NUT, NUT and needs to be locked away.
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Indeed I agree. He sounds loony.
Only takes a few people screwing up to give things like Rife a bad name. Sorry I posted THAT link and offended anyone, it was the first one on google when I looked it up for you on mobile.
There are others, sorry. I hope more research gets done. Would be cool to see spirochetes getting killed !
OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA San Diego, California United States Attorney Karen P. Hewitt
NEWS RELEASE SUMMARY - February 8, 2010
United States Attorney Karen P. Hewitt announced that James Folsom was sentenced today in federal court in San Diego to serve 51 months in custody and a $250,000 fine following his conviction on twenty-six felony counts relating to the sale of unapproved medical devices and the commission of offenses while on pretrial release. The Honorable John A. Houston, United States District Judge, also ordered the destruction of over 450 devices that had been seized by the government during the execution of a search warrant at a self-storage unit used by the defendant. A federal jury found Folsom guilty of conspiring to ship adulterated and misbranded Rife-type biofrequency devices in interstate commerce, following a two-week trial in 2009.
According to evidence presented at trial, the device, marketed by Folsom under the names ``NatureTronics,'' ``AstroPulse,'' ``BioSolutions,'' ``Energy Wellness,'' and ``Global Wellness,'' consisted of a micro-current frequency generator with a digital readout, two stainless steel cylinders, two personal application plates with connectors, and lead wires connecting the device to the cylinders and the plates. Users were provided with an operating manual that set forth hundreds of digital settings for the device, directed to specific conditions from AIDS, diabetes, strokes, and ulcers to worms. Users were advised to connect the cylinders or plates to the machine and touch them to the body for a recommended run time to treat each condition.
According to the testimony at trial, during the period from 1997 through August 2008, the defendant purchased over 9,000 units, which he sold to distributors for approximately $1000-1200, and to retail customers for $1995, with sales totaling over $8 million. The devices were manufactured by the defendant and others in a San Diego location, which he failed to register with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a device manufacturing establishment. The defendant used the false name ``Jim Anderson,'' when selling the device and used post office boxes, self-storage units, and bank accounts opened in the names of others to conduct his business in an effort to avoid detection by the FDA.
The devices were adulterated in that they were marketed without a valid investigational device exemption, without pre-market approval, and in violation of an electrical performance standard set by the FDA, prohibiting lead wires that come into contact with patients from being able to come in contact with potentially hazardous voltages. The devices were also misbranded in that they were marketed without valid clearance from the FDA, did not bear the name and address of the manufacturer on the labeling, and were produced in an unregistered manufacturing establishment.
United States Attorney Hewitt said, ``The United States Attorney's Office will vigorously prosecute those who compromise or jeopardize public safety by selling misbranded or adulterated products.'' ``The FDA Office of Criminal Investigations is fully committed to investigating and supporting the prosecution of those who may endanger the public's health and safety by manufacturing and selling unsafe products to be used on an unsuspecting public. We continue to look forward to working with our law enforcement partners and commend the U.S. Attorney's Office for their diligence,'' said Thomas Emerick, Special Agent in Charge, FDA Office of Criminal Investigations, Los Angeles Field Office.
``The Postal Inspection Service remains committed to keeping our nation's mail system free from criminal misuse and we will continue to join forces with our law enforcement partners to protect the American public from fraud,'' stated B. Bernard Ferguson, Inspector in Charge of the Los Angeles Division.
DEFENDANT
Criminal Case No. 08CR1092-JAH
James M. Folsom
SUMMARY OF CHARGES
Count 1
Conspiracy, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371
Counts 2-8, 21-23
Introduction of an Adulterated Device into Interstate Commerce, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 331(a), 333(a)(2) and 351(e) and (f)
Counts 9-15, 24-26
Introduction of a Misbranded Device into Interstate Commerce, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 331(a), 333(a)(2), 352(o), 352(b) and 360(j) and (k);
Counts 16-20
Failure to Register a Device Establishment, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 331(p), 333(a)(2) and 360 Commission of an Offense While on Pretrial Release, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 3147.
AGENCIES
Food and Drug Administration, Office of Criminal Investigations U.S. Postal Inspection Service Feds Shut Down Major Supplier Of Rife Frequency Generators
Feds Shut Down Major Supplier Of Rife Frequency Generators Jeff Garff http://www.yahoogroups.com February 26, 2009
I have known Jim Folsom for about 10 years now and he asked me to come and testify in court. I brought all of the old Rife equipment that I have in my collection. I also took photos and newspaper articles with me that had certified stamps of authenticity. We could have very easily proven that this equipment predated the FDA. But they would not allow it in court. Even if we could have proven the technology predated the FDA it would not have helped very much because of all the medical claims that were made about the equipment. I had talked with some of the people who were called in to testify at the grand jury investigation. It was evident then that they were focusing on medical claims.
Jim Clark, the man who holds the patent on the Bio-meridian was able to testify in court. I spent the evening with him and Jim Folsom. I explained the history of the equipment and he was able to get some of this information in his testimony. Both Jim Folsom and Jim Clark were pleased with what they were able to do but I was concerned because Jim Clark was only on the witness stand for 10 minutes and 5 minutes was taken up in objections and sidebar discussions with the attorneys and judge. All Jim Clark was really able to say was that Rife technology has been in use since the early 1900's. This was all the jury was able to hear on Rife technology predating the FDA's 1976 date.
The prosecution had almost 50 witnesses, all hostile to being called in to testify against Jim. The sad thing is Jim's attorneys only called two witnesses to the stand in his defense. It was unbelievable that this was all the witnesses Jim's attorneys brought to his defense. These attorneys were paid almost $300,000 to defend Jim and that was the best that they could do? Another sad thing is the fact that Jim was offered a plea bargain before this ever went to trial. It was a misdemeanor charge with a $250 fine and a one year unsupervised probation. But Jim felt that he wanted to fight them. I spoke to him about my concerns that he might lose just like John Crane and John Marsh did. Rife lost everything even though he won the 1939 Beam Ray Trial.
What is really terrible is the fact that Jim did not really let his (wife who is from Thailand) know what could happen to him if he lost. She was completely blindsided by what happened. She called me not knowing what really had happened to Jim. I had to explain the very bad news to her and the fact that Jim will be going to prison maybe for 10 to 15 years. She was devastated at the fact that Jim may be in prison for the rest of his life. He is 68 now and if he gets 10 or 15 years he may never live to get out. I think that this is the worst of all that has happened to Jim.
The defense was able to educate the Judge enough that he allowed the jury to determine the classification of Jims Rife type device. The defense felt that allowing the jury to classify the device was an important win and would make it possible to cover more of Rife's history in the closing arguments. I wondered if this was a good idea because if it went badly the FDA would be able to classify all Rife type instruments as class III medical devices. I suspect that this is what the jury decided because if they had classified it as a class one device they would not have convicted Jim.
Jim Folsom's trial may have a major impact on those who sell Rife type equipment. All Rife type manufacturers should take notice from what has taken place in this trial. This trial was not about Rife's instruments predating the FDA. They stopped that information from ever getting into the trial. This trial was all about making medical claims about Rife type equipment. Almost all Rife type manufacturers really do not know what constitutes a medical claim and have no idea that they actually have made medical claims on their sites. They will say things about Rife and then disclaim them, believing that their disclaimer will cover what they have written. The FDA has shown that they will use anything against a person. The web sites that sold Jim's instruments all had medical claims on them and they used this against Jim.
Even emails that he wrote to people were used. Now I would not have believed that any of these emails were medical claims but they said they were. One of these emails suggested that the person should look at the environment of their body and detoxify it. The prosecution said that this was a medical claim and they got the judge to agree with them. They apparently will try to prosecute anyone for any suggestion related to any health issue.
Another thing they used against Jim was the fact that he included his frequency manual in the box when he shipped the instrument. They specifically asked all the witnesses that had purchased equipment if the frequency manual was included in the box with the machine. They almost all said yes even though they didn't want to give this testimony. We separated our frequency list from our instrument several years ago because I had a customer warn me about doing this. He owns an herb company and the FDA took him to court for including information about different ailments with his herbs. He lost the court case and it cost him over $250,000 in attorney fees. I had warned Jim about this potential problem at the time I learned about it but he did nothing. This came back to haunt him in the trial. All Rife manufacturers should not ship any frequency list with their equipment. They should get some other company to supply this information. Even shipping the frequency list in a separate package from your company does not protect you fully. It has to be a company that is completely separate from the sale of the instrument. The prosecution said that the frequency list was nothing but medical claims because it has the names of various conditions for different ailments or diseases.
The prosecution also used the label that Jim had on the back of his instrument against him. The label had "for experimental use" among other things on it. They said that because it had "for experimental use" it led people to believe that his instrument was undergoing FDA approval. Jim put this label on the instrument because of advice from others who said it would help protect him. It is apparent that this was a bad idea. John Crane tried to use this type of label and things when badly for him also.
Jim also had a Rife DVD video documentary he included inside the box along with his frequency list. They also used this video against him and said it was medical claims. Even though this documentary only had the history of Rife's life they asserted that Rife's life story when associated with an instrument makes that instrument a medical device. This may in the future make it so we cannot even mention the name of Rife in connection with our instruments. I hope this will not be the case.
From this trial it appears that the FDA at this time considers any device called a Rife Machine, a medical device. This trial was not a state trial; it was a federal trial and had the full support of the FDA. It sets a legal precedence that may have far reaching effects. They asserted their right to control Rife Technology through their total focus on the medical claims made. I would not doubt that over the next year that many web sites are going to get warning letters. Manufacturers of Rife devices should be fully aware of what may be coming and make necessary changes before this may happen. I know that we will be looking at all of our information and making sure there are no possible claims anywhere.
Jim Clark, who testified in court, pointed out that it is the USE and FUNCTION of an instrument that determines what is and is not a medical device. Manufacturers should be aware of these facts. JimClark has had almost thirty years experience working with the FDA in getting equipment approved. According to what was said in this trial the FDA considers a frequency generator that is labeled as a Rife type machine a medical device. Even if it is not labeled a Rife machine it still can be considered a medical device if it's USE and FUNCTION are defined in any medical way. The definition of the instrument is what is important.
In looking back it appears that none of us, including Jim Folsom, had any idea what was really going on in his trial. He had no chance of ever winning it. The FDA was going to make an example of him no matter what because he did not take their first offer. They proved this by fully controlling everything that could be brought in as evidence. They allowed no discussion of the efficacy of the instrument in any way or if the customers were satisfied with their instruments. Jim Folsom mentioned to me that the prosecution had spent over a million dollars on his case. I hope that his sentence is a light one and he can get out as soon as possible.This is truly a sad day. Jeff Garff
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richedie
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I did some searching and yes there are some major studiies going on with frequency machines for all sorts of diseases/illnesses with good results. I am ordering one. They are wide spread in Europe and even used in doctor's offices.
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I first rifed at the home of someone with Lyme. After 2 minutes I felt nothing- 72 hrs later sick/fluish, just as I had the 28th day on Doxy. My thought- I have the flu Several weeks later I again rifed- 2 minutes 72 hrs later, again fluish
I rifed 5 times, each time, 72 hrs later, I was ill, herxing. Four yrs later, I contine to herx 72 hrs after I rife.
Is this placebo? NO Is it killing something and causing a herx- yes Is it healing, don't know, but it is not hurting. Posts: 468 | From IL | Registered: Oct 2003
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BJG, so I guess you are not a skeptic? Posts: 3528 | From US | Registered: Apr 2007
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These people need to catch the real criminals..not someome like Folsom.
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Bringing this to the first page again. HHMMMM Even a unsuccessful thread turns into a positive thread these days. Maybe it's not hocus-pocus?
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