If you are feeling no better than several months ago, pay attention to parasites. Doesn't really matter which one - listen to some of the "You Tube"'s. It is one of the most important treatments you can do. Babesia and fungi are parasites.
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VERY IMPORTANT!! Thanks for posting this GiGi.
As always you are on top of things. Treating for parasites saved my life literally.
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GiGi,
In your opinion why do you think these pharmaceuticals are necessary?
What's wrong with the good ole fashioned wormwood/blackwalnut/cloves combo.
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What kind of symptoms did you guys have with parasites? I'm curious because I've been in treatment for over a year with not much improvement, most notably my cognitive impairment. Can parasites cause cognitive impairment (I.e. brain fog, memory loss, etc) without any gastro problems?
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knight,
Parasites (just like Lyme) can cause a plethora of symptoms (including cognitive impairment)
Parasites sequester metals, bacterias, fungi, ammonia, toxins, etc. They release these periodically and especially so upon death.
Parasites strip us of so many nutrients we often become malnourished (opening the door to all the possibilities of vitamin and mineral deficiency)
Parasites cause big time gut issues (and not necessarily diarrhea - you don't have to have diarrhea to have parasites)
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Ditto to what canefan is saying. Google parasite symptoms and do a search on here by typing parasites into the search bar at the top.
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I am just starting the ivermectin & pyrantel pamoate. I felt terrible the next day, I am wondering if I should start out with a lower dose and work my way up. I felt nauseous and had to use the bathroom several times the next morning. I also had a harder time sleeping with bad nightmares..the whole next day I felt foggy & just generally ill. I left a message for my LLMD to see what he thinks. After these two meds are finished, I believe I will be on to albendazole & then alinia.. Hoping all this helps me!
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Will the herbs approach work (perhaps more slowly)? Tomorrow is my last day on the 21 days on Parastroy. I am thinking of doing salt/c for a month and then come back with parastroy or Hilda Clark's formula.
I am also doing Grape Fruit Seed extract.
Thanks, MattH
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Parasites also are in the brain and one needs to have meds that cross the blood brain barrier. If Dr. K. tells me that is what it takes, I do it. He would be the last one to push pharmas. He is in constant contact with all ART therapists who are doing his form of medicine, teaching the newest all over Europe in spring and fall, and has the advantage of hundreds of patient results.
Check prices of pharmacies. They vary greatly.
I would therefore not waste more time and body energy on other products that do not come close. Parasite treatment is very energy consuming and I do not believe in prolonging matters that rob me of life.
Parasites are literally eating you up when in an already weakened state.
If Dr. K. were to listen to some of the conversations going on on this board, he would quietly say "parasites talking"! I am saying - not only are they talking - they are screaming! Read a thread that I recently started regarding allergies.
MattH, why would you want to go more slowly? Why give the parasites another chance to multiply so you can chase them a little longer while they are destroying your blood (babesia), etc.
The treatment is very tolerable if you support your system handling the die-off. Colonics, etc. Liver & kidney support, metal release.
Take care.
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Gigi, This may be a really stupid question, but are you saying that treating parasites, as you have laid out, will resolve babesia and other protozoa/parasites like the Fry protozoa?
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Thanks for your explanation and your insight from Dr. K, I will review your suggestions with my DO (she is not my LLMD). My explanation is below.
Why go slower? Perhaps poor judgement on my part but the thought of going slower is because of all the other stuff I am taking.
Full Buhner Protocol, my first LLMD appt is not till the end of June (symptoms and WB test back and indicates lyme). This approach is complementary for the abx at the end of June.
Parasite Cleanse finish round 1 tomorrow. Babushka Principle in practice.
KPU or HPU vitamin protocol prep for the doxy at the end of June. Improve the effectiveness of abx
Bar 1 (bart symptoms) till I see the LLMD
Heavy metal detox (monthly dmps infusions along with DMSA a couple times a month a week after the dmps). Doctor's Data tested 3 years ago and continue to bring my levels down. Retested twice still a ways to go.
b12 shots 1 per week
Ultimate zapper a couple times per week
GSE 10 drops 2 times per day
Note I am holding down a full time job that is both complex and stressful so I cannot take considerable time off for major herxes or at least need to get through the day and go home and collapse.
Long list of Burrascano and Dr. S recommended supplements and binders.
All the Best, MattH
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I agree this is essential.
I was going to order some of the the drugs from a veterinarian supply place but I decided to stick with the herbs. I am taking Parastroy, diatomaceous earth & boron. The drugs can be toxic & the die-off can be severe. They are also expensive & not always in stock (especially if you live in a place not in the mainstream like down here).
I have been ill for 16 years. I wish I did this sooner. I'm actually feeling better after 16 years of illness. I don't think I even had Lyme. The Lyme treatments I did were ineffective. This illness ruined my life. I spent thousands... Do yourself a favor & try the anti-parasite protocol. It may save your life.
I had no clue I had parasites. They don't always affect your digestive system. They can live in many places in the body.
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PS- Just my experience...
I dowse all my supplements. I went through a bad die-off for months. I dowsed all the binder type supplements & it was almost always "no". I guess it depends on the person & what one is taking.
I think the herbs may have a longer lasting effect. If you take a binder - it may make the herbs less effective. I have no idea how it will work with drugs.
I just used plain water enemas if I felt too toxic. I think the body has to find a way to heal itself from the parasites. This is why herbs may have an advantage over the drugs. I don't know. This was just what happened to me.
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FYI.. Garlic is a major component in many natural parasitic treatments. It also crosses the Blood Brain Barrier.
Some brands of Silver also treat parasites, bacteria, and fungus.
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Skies, I had a rough time with the first round of parasitic pharmaceuticals. Had really bad nightmares too, and didn't feel great at all. It has gotten MUCH easier.
I can feel the "activity" around the new moon and full moon and actually look forward to taking them now.
I can also tell who/what is in charge. When I'm on the pharmaceuticals my eating habits change. I enjoy eating everything and have no more food sensitivities but I absolutely do no want ice cream or anything like that during the killing spree. It the parasites that want it.
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I have been on Parastroy nearly 9 months. I switched to albendazole for 1 month, but Parastroy works better.
I think I will try the protocol suggested by GiGi. I have Alinia and albendazole. Are Ivermectin and pyrantel pamoate safe to use from a pet supply store?
Is it safe to do this while on babesia protocol of Mepron, Biaxin, and Bactrim DS?
GiGi....Does Dr. K believe this regimen will take care of all parasites, even if you have a heavy load and been battling for so long?
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If we are talking about parasites, are we talking about babesia then? If so, shouldn't it be treated with malarone or mepron? Any thoughts?
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Gigi, This may be a really stupid question, but are you saying that treating parasites, as you have laid out, will resolve babesia and other protozoa/parasites like the Fry protozoa?
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jennie, you said, "I have been on Parastroy nearly 9 months. I switched to albendazole for 1 month, but Parastroy works better".
How do you know it works better? Is it from the "evidence" of what you see come out of you?
Did the albendazole give you any unpleasant side effects? If so, what were they?
What about Parastroy, did that have any unpleasant side effects?
I've got some big parasites coming out of me and I'm getting sick from them. They come out the day AFTER a coffee enema. I'm going to the doctor in just a few minutes to show her the parasites and see if she will give me the meds that GIGI outlined above.
I suspect she's gonna not be too comfortable with it. If she doesn't give me an Rx for it, I have no clue as to what I'm gonna do. My LLND can't Rx meds, so it's up to this doctor to give me the Rx for the meds, or not.
According to what I've read, K believes that pharmacy meds are the only thing that's going to kill everything. If that's true, then it makes sense to use the meds instead of the herbal stuff.
I hate doing meds, but the parasites are really getting to me. Nausea, back pain, headaches, left side abdominal pain. Last three days I've had pain in my heart area off and on. I'm concerned that they're getting into my organs now.
I was doing pretty good for awhile until the parasites started showing up. Pretty frustrating to be sick like this again.
Gary
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I believe you can Rife for Parasite as well. And I would keep that in as an option too. I use it and I have felt it to be very useful. Not perfect but it snot perfect for anything. But is does help keep things in check and keep them from progressing and also keep progress moving forward. Its a great tool for this disease overall and all the infections. Just my opinion and reminder to keep it in mind. I have never used the zapper but remember its frequency treatment too that Dr. Hulda used for her patients for parasites/ protozoans.'
I am glad that people are more open minded that parasites are not just worms and things you can see crawling around in your gut but are a broad range from large to the very tiny that are in blood streams and in blood cells and invade tissues and organs etc. Huge issue and can not be ignored. i agree.
Thanks for the protocol.
I am not aware but what does Dr K have to say about frequency medicine? And what is meant by do not waste your time with energy medicine?
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I have been using antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy, Humaworm, Hulda Clark, Monaster of Herbs etc and salt/c since 05-06.
They may work slower, but they have saved my life. I had everything pictured on
come out of me, so I don't think the herbs can be discounted as not being strong enough. I chose this route because I wasn't able to get the pharma meds. The kEY is persistence.
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i understand a parasite herx can be much worse than lyme or yeast. is this true?
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OH YEAH!!!Can be very rough. They don't die easy and are MASTERS at survival. I have experienced Lyme herxing and it was rough, but dealing with these beasts are something else.
I consider myself a lady, but during one of these herxes, I would start cursing like the roughest truck driver you ever heard.( No offense meant to truck drivers.)
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Just got back from the doctor. She's a newbie doc and never in her life saw a parasite. I brought her 8 tupperware containers of them. She said to me, "Don't take the lids off". She acted like they were gonna jump out and bite her or something.
I asked her if she ever saw a parasite before? "Nope, never!" I told her what I needed and gave her a list of meds that would kill the parasites and help me get well, but she refused to give me any meds.
She said she'd have to test them first. I told her that the labs here in OK already tested them and they came back negative. The labs here are not qualified to test for parasites. She wouldn't budge. So, still no meds for me. Guess I gotta stick with Gaia Herbs Para-Shield and DE.
*Gael, the thing that bothers me about the herbs is, you say you've been taking them since 05-06, and still haven't gotten rid of all of them. That's a long time to treat parasites, is it not?
Seems if you were taking the meds K recommends that you might not still be dealing with this. Please understand, I'm not being critical at all, but I'm curious, why take herbs when you can take meds that will clear the parasites up within a year or possibly less?
God almighty, I've knowingly been dealing with them a month and they're making me sick with all kinds of symptoms even though they're coming out. I can't imagine dealing with this for five or six years.
I'm so frustrated and discouraged about this whole stinking thing. That doctor about freaked out when she saw the parasites. Monday I will see a different alternative doctor MD/ND and see if he will give me the meds I need. His secretary said he has experience with parasites. Yeah, well see.
Does this nightmare ever end?!?!?!
Gary
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Gary,
As I mentioned above, i did not have access to the pharma meds. Not so sure they will get rid of the parasites in a year either and they are very hard on the liver.
You also should understand that some of these parasites are laying 200,000 eggs a day. That adds up to millions/billions over time.
Also, I have gotten rid of tons of them as I have mentioned and am much better than I was. The doctors for the most part are not trained in parasitology and still think it's a third world problem.
If you are passing them, then you are getting rid of them. You might want to consider taking extra cloves (fresh ground) to get rid of the eggs, otherwise the cycle continues.
Also I encourage you to go on curezone parasite forum for more insight. The other reason that it has taken me so long to get rid of them is that they have had 30 or more yrs to infest my body.
The good news is that you have seen the enemy,it's a blessing to know what you're dealing with...JUST STAY FOCUSED AND DECLARE WAR!!
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Thanks for sharing Gael. I am indeed declaring war on these buggers. I'm not the least bit thrilled to do the meds, but at the same time, I just feel like if there's a quicker way to end this then I want to do it.
Since I couldn't handle abx, I am very concerned that I won't be able to handle these meds too. But I'm going to try to take them if this doctor I see on Monday will Rx me some of these that GIGI listed.
The only reason I'm willing to do this is because, I believe if a doctor like Dr. K would say this is the most effective way to rid yourself of parasites, then I believe he must know from his many years of experience in treating patients with parasites.
This weekend I will do as you say and take extra fresh ground cloves. How do you take them? Do you put them in capsules or what? Will they burn my stomach?
Thanks again for your help and support here and with pm's too. You've been a great support to me and many of us here.
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Gsry,
Your very welcome, and I can only hope I can be of some help. As far as the pharma meds are concerned, I am a big fan of Dr. K. and think he is very far ahead of the game. By all means if you can get the meds he suggests, then go for it.
I have had allopathic medicine save my life more than once. I will be anxious to see your progress if you are able to get them.
I used to put the cloves (and cinnamon in my coffee) Not very tasteful, but back then i didn't care. If your stomach is sensitive, then you can put them in a capsule and take them with food.
Actually, you can just order the clove capsules seperately. It's encouraging that you are killing them with what you are doing.
I am just curious (not being sarcastic) as to how much quicker you can kill them than what you are doing if you have 8 tupperware containers full?
Keep us posted,
Gael
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I tested positive for trichinella, equivocol for roundworm, i treated with albendezole and mebendazole for 14 days.
I did 30 days of parastroy and 30 days of Dr. Christopher's herbal syrup.
I never had ANYTHING come out that looked like worms.
I don't know what to do next. I was going to try Humaworm. But seriously, I'm ready to kill borrelia and babs and bart. I've been treating for 8-9 months and I've barely been able to touch abx.
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Dr. K. prefers pharmaceuticals because they leave you with a lot less toxin than taking herbals for a long time, and the pharmas are much more effective. Albendazole and Alinia cross the blood brain barrier and that is where some of them are hanging out. I know I had one type of them in the face/mouth/jaw because of dental root canal contamination and metal deposits in that area.
Even though Babesia is a parasite (protozoa, like amoebas), he treats Babesia separate from the parasitic worms. which are now mostly in microscopic form and DEEPLY IMBEDDED INTRACELLULARLY AND INSIDE THE BIOFILM.
His treatment: dissolve the biofilm first (Zistus tea). Treat the worms first with the 4-stage parasite protocol I have posted several times before (Biltricide 2 days; then Ivermectin plus pamoate for two weeks; then Albendaz for two weeks, then Alinia for 2 weeks. Most/many people need two rounds of the same protocol.
Then shift to the ****artemisinin/Lyme cocktail for 18 months. In this time usually all of the Babesia disappears. I think he said he had a few cases where he inserted one month of mepron/zighromax and doxy.
Once you get the cocktail figured out, it is quite a pleasant experience. The trick is to start slowly.
I know him well enough that he will never rest until he finds something that works even better, but for now, this works. If you stick with it with some patience.
Do the colonics especially in the early stages --- and some of the items I listed in my first post above.
It helps immensely if you have no ART or other muscle testing help if you learn to use a tensor or pendulum or some form of energetic testing. My tensor is my life saver, because even though I have a number of doctors to call on, they are not there when I need them NOW. I am sure that if you check around you can find someone who can teach you the basics, and if you can figure out why on a particular day you do not feel good or right, your energetic testing will tell you instantly how to best help yourself, which agent to take to help and alleviate a miserable symptom and save the day.
Parasites can do huge amounts of damage --- don't let it happen. I cannot honestly say that I would ever compare a parasite die-off day with the old symptoms I suffered during intense Lyme more than ten years ago. Follow the rules of binders, keep minerals replenished, don't drown yourself in liters of water and don't overkill. More is not better. Many people have done the 6 week parasite protocol and as far as I know everybody is still alive. When the air clears, you will wonder why you have lived in that parasite trap so long.............
If I hear of anything that comes around that will work better, I will keep you posted. Remember the parasites are robbing you of your blood and literally livelihood. If you have signs of being anemic - hurry!
Take care.
And don't forget to treat everyone who lives in your home, including pets. If you can't get at the meds, work yourself slowly into Salt & C as a starter until you can get the pharmaceuticals.
I am repeating here what I experienced myself in my closer circles and what I have heard Dr.K. discuss during conferences, repeatedly. And what I am told by DK therapists from Germany with whom I am in constant contact. They tell me what they know, I tell them what I am told here. Besides that now some of my younger family members nephews and nieces are now popping up with MS, and psyche epoisodes, etc. They used to think I was crazy, but now I get their phone calls during my daytime - the middle of the night for them. It's an epidemic overthere and they face the same problems I faced 15 years ago when most of them thought I was lost in orbit...
Take care.
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FRYECRACKER,
Treating parasites whether with pharma meds or herbs for a short period of time will not make a dent. You have to stay on the meds/herbs for an extended period.
GiGi has layed out Dr.K.s protocol if you want to follow that. It took me 6 months of herbs and salt/c before I saw results. It can take much longer to get at all of them, depending how long you have been infected.
PERSISTENCE is KEY. You might want to also consider adding some salt/c. It is a VERY powerful protoocl and the parasites run from it. It puts them into osmotic shock (dries them out)and they can't stand it.
Hope this makes sense.
Gael
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I feel incredibly stupid asking this question but I have over half of the meds listed in the original post sitting in my barn.
Are we talking about the same meds? Is it the exact same thing that I give my dogs and livestock? You can order a few of them from petsuppliesdelivered.com
Maybe I missed something when reading through this and there are animal meds that are different from the "wormers" that we are supposed to take?
I just started an herbal parasite cleanse. The max dose is supposed to be 10 drops 3 times a day and if I take any more than 5 drops total 1 time a day, I am a mess on the couch in the fetal position.
I assume theres a heavy load of parasites. Freaks the crap outta me and I'd really like to get these buggers out!
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Hi GiGi, I know you can't give me a DR's name, but I would really like to follow your suggested protocol. I'm not sure what kind of doctor to go see to obtain theses meds or maybe if I could get them on my own? I have had a comprehensive stool analysis. I came up in the extreme category for parasites and yeast, no good bacteria although I load up on it all the time. I think I should try this protocal My gut is my biggest problem along with toxic build up, which gives me severe neck pain. Whatcha think?
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jbaer, why didn't your doctor who did the stool test give you antiparasitic medicine? You should have gotten an Rx for it.
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jbaer, in Washington State, any ND or MD can prescribe these meds. I don't know how this is in your State. Maybe you can contact the www.Klinghardacademy.com - I know there are people in Arizona who are up on this subject because I see them at the training seminars of Dr.K.
The neck problem is very common as a result of the Varestrongylus klapowi (aka lungworm) and I know that many/most people with Lyme have that added infection.
Hope that will work for you.
Take care.
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I think Varestrongylus klapowi is the same as C. pulmoni...(?) There are links between this worm CFS, Lyme & Morgellons.
Anyone have any further info on Dr. Larry Klapow who discovered this worm? Not too much info on the web about him.
FYI -
A Parasitic Roundworm Linked to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome by J. C. Waterhouse, Ph.D.
Only 3 patients are currently known to have attempted treatment of C. pulmoni with anti-roundworm drugs. Improvement through drug treatment appears promising, however long term treatment in one patient indicates that the roundworm may be difficult to completely eradicate (5).
The most promising drugs based on this very limited anecdotal evidence appear to be oral ivermectin and the inhalation of an amount of dissolved thiabendazole equal to approximately 5% to 7% of the oral dose. Now, thiabendazole would have to be replaced by the less toxic albendazole or another more soluble drug (inhaled forms of anti-parasitic drugs are not commercially available at present).
Oral thiabendazole was too toxic and should not be used. Oral albendazole, while having significant side effects, might prove to be useful in combination with other drugs. Inhaled low dose thiabendazole in one patient seemed to have a delayed effect resulting in marked improvement after weekly use for 4 to 5 months.
The delay in improvement could be due to the long life cycle of the roundworm, which means that larvae in the rest of the body can still cause symptoms. for a long time even if those in the lungs are killed. The use of oral ivermectin (brand name, Stromectol) was accompanied by itching and/or diarrhea, perhaps indicating a reaction to the die-off of the roundworm larvae.
It might be that a combination of drugs used for a long time might be needed to eradicate the roundworm. However, based on the experience of two of the patients, it may be that treatment with ivermectin alone might reduce the severity of the illness significantly in only a few weeks or months.
There is not yet sufficient information to know what approach is best. Perhaps a weekly dose of oral ivermectin at the amount adjusted for weight (e.g., 6-21 mg) or perhaps several days in a row of ivermectin repeated every few weeks.
Future research will have to determine what is most effective. The fairly low reproductive rate of the roundworm would probably mean that it would take intensive treatment for a fairly long time (perhaps a year or more) before drug resistance would be likely to develop.
Two of the patients did take enough of the anti-roundworm drugs to feel they improved significantly (some improvement in one patient in a few weeks and in the other in a few months). One patient used several drugs and the other used only ivermectin.
But, of course, this is only anecdotal information and must be interpreted very cautiously. Ivermectin has some potential side effects, but they are not as severe as some other drugs taken by CFS patients on an experimental basis.
Inhalation of drugs other than thiabendazole might also have potential, however, one patient�s trial of inhaled ivermectin did not seem to be very successful (30).
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I read one website where someone suggested to use nebulized iodine & a form of colloidal silver... (?)
Start with treating lung roundworm (varestrongylus klapowi - Dr Larry Klapow) with nebulized Iodine & Respaid. Add Asmol for mucous production in the lungs.
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There also may be symbiotic relationships between parasites & Lyme... Viruses, too...
"The idea that some patients have both the proposed roundworm infection and CWD (cell wall deficient) infection is not purely theoretical. A number of CFS patients that Klapow has found to be positive for C. pulmoni have also tested positive for Lyme disease (30). The Lyme disease spirochete is known to also exist in CWD forms, the form of bacteria that the Marshall Protocol was designed to treat.
As is widely known from experience with HIV-AIDS, there are certain immune suppressing organisms that make it more likely for one to have multiple infections and it may be that this is a role that chronic infection with C. pulmoni plays in CFS. Whether it is involved in other diseases is an open possibility, as the only patients tested for this roundworm so far are CFS patients."
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"The above sections have discussed a type of symbiotic relationship between CWD bacteria and C. pulmoni in which they each affect the human immune system in a way that helps themselves and each other. Another possibility in CFS is a sort of symbiotic relationship between certain viruses and roundworm infections. For example, there is evidence of a significant association between the roundworm infection strongylosis and HTLV1 viral infections (37)."
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The protocol I posted (6 week) is used by Dr. K. for the lungworm and has proven successful. It also includes the SSKI nebulized, etc. I have found that with any clearing of parasites, the rest of the inhabitants as posted in my post covering the Babuschka principle are always involved and need to be addressed, i.e metals followed by fungi followed by bacteria followed by viruses. Most test only for a short period, but they need to be addressed following or in between or alongside the parasite treatments. All are part of the total ecosystem. Always has been as far back as I can remember and is the reason parasites should be treated early on.
Some people need parasite treatment ongoing for months. Dr. K. uses in that case uses mostly alinia which tests energetically for most.
That is basically his experience with many patients, as well as my own within my family and friends.
The parasite treatment is fairly easy after the first few days, especially if any dysregulations re heavy metals, fungi, etc, have been eliminated via Allergie Immun. And of course KPU is under control.
One ecosystem.
Take care.
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Can't afford the drugs, GiGi... They aren'y cheap + I don't have a doctor who would know how to prescribe them.
The herbs seem to be working well for me + diatomaceous earth & boron.
Was just reading that the parasites can become resistant to the drugs. The study suggested that papaya & figs may be useful.
PS - I will keep the drug protocol in mind for some future date when I might be able to do it. Thanks for posting it. I have to do something in the mean time.
Some of the drugs can be ordered through veterinarian supply places. i thought about it but decided to go with the herbs.
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For any of the pharmaceuticals in this 6-week protocol, you will really have to check prices. Some differ by over 100%. Alinia is now quite reasonable in Canada compared to ten years ago when I used it. Check prices. Check prices. I got different ones from every pharmacy I called, including different compound pharmacies.
Salt and C works well and costs little. Some use this as alternative, starting very slowly.
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I tried salt/c a while back & it was too strong. I was doing it with the Parastroy. I was dowsing it & it hasn't said "yes" in a while. Even the Parastroy was too strong at first. I had to ramp it up slowly over time.
Seems the diatomaceous earth is a big "yes" with the dowsing. I take it before bed. I think some of the parasites are noctournal. I felt them coming up from my lungs & going into my digestive system. I never realized that's what was happening until I started studying all of this.
I had very bad neck & shoulder pain for a couple of months. I think this info about the lungworm is right on target. After a while, one day I woke up & I wasn't in so much pain. It was like a miracle.
I used to wake up & feel like someone hit me in the back of the neck with a 2 x 4... for years! Not fun.
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Sparkle, great paper. I might even overcome my dislike of papaya!
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FYI-I recall reading this on Mercola's website about papaya:
Hawaiian papaya GM papaya was introduced in 1998. After six years, a test was conducted on 20,000 papaya seeds. Eighty percent were taken from organic farms. Half of the seeds were found to be genetically modified! This means that it�s virtually impossible to safeguard non-GM crops from GM crops.
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yeah, when we learn to blow the wind in the direction that suits us, we might still be able to find enough to cure us ..... it took friends of biopure 2 years to find a clean field for growing non-toxic garlic.
Which diatomaceous earth did you settle with, Sparkle? Thanks for your research.
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Perma-Guard is the "gold standard" for Diatomaceous Earth. Most of the DE companies buy from them and put their label on it and sell it.
This is what I'm using and it IS working. Coffee enemas do too. The acid kills them off and the next day BINGO!
Yes, it's a problem with GMOs. I think you may still be able to find papayas from other places. The Hawaiian ones usually have stickers on them. Now, the radiation is a big problem there, too. The radiation is going to effect the whole western hemisphere from what I've read.
I would think that papain or enzymes from pineapple would be helpful as anti-parasite supplements.
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Our contributor, Dr. Shillington, tells us there are more enzymes in one papaya seed than in a whole store-bought enzyme capsule. The papaya seed also has all the nutrients necessary for almost instant assimilation.
Spread the seeds of an organic papaya (must be organic) on a wax paper covered plate or cookie sheet. Let them dry out for atleast a week. (If you have a food dehydrator it will take a few days). Then put them in a salt or pepper mill (or crush with a mortar pestle). Just grind them over your food as you would fresh pepper. In fact, papaya seeds are a bit spicy and taste similar to pepper, so they are an excellent substitute.
Fresh pineapple is another great source for enzymes. Buy one and eat it. Your body will thank you for days.
Enzymes in Food
Did you know your body is converting enzymes into other different enzymes all the time? By eating fresh, organic pineapple and organic papaya seeds, you�ll get all the enzymes you need, and your body will know how to convert these enzymes into the ones it needs most.
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are ya'll saying you can eat dirt??
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Pineapple is good to use for parasite removal.
Parasites do not like the following: unrefined carbohydrates, raw green vegetables, bitter melons, tomatoes, black pepper, raw carrots and their tops, fresh horseradish, onions, vegetable proteins, high fiber, radishes, kelp, raw cabbage, ground almonds, blackberries, figs, and alkaline diets.
In addition, roundworms can be expelled with rose hip tea, and raisins soaked in senna tea makes for faster elimination of parasites in children. In Mexico, fresh pineapple and papaya are used to cure worm infestations, and the seeds are often chewed to eliminate parasites.
It's not mentioned, but pumpkin seeds are also good for parasite removal. I eat organic, ground up, raw pumpkin seeds daily and sprinkle it in my yogurt and almost anything else too.
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randibear, don't you miss the days when you made mud pies and ate them? ; )
No, this is not exactly "dirt".
What is Diatomaceous Earth?
Diatomaceous earth is a remarkable, all-natural product made from tiny fossilized water plants. Diatomaceous Earth is a naturally occurring siliceous sedimentary mineral compound from microscopic skeletal remains of unicellular algae-like plants called diatoms. These plants have been part of the earth's ecology since prehistoric times.
It is believed that 30 million years ago the diatoms built up into deep, chalky deposits of diatomite. The diatoms are mined and ground up to render a powder that looks and feels like talcum powder to us. It is a mineral based pesticide.
DE is approximately 3% magnesium, 33% silicon, 19% calcium, 5% sodium, 2% iron and many other trace minerals such as titanium, boron, manganese, copper and zirconium. Diatomaceous Earth is a natural (not calcined or flux calcined) compound. Diatomaceous Earth is a natural grade diatomite
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