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Thank you for all of this good information. I had forgotten how beneficial DE could be. I have some stashed away from Perma Guard and reading this makes me want to start using it again.
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quote:Originally posted by Mvdr: Hello, all. I am about a year into treatment for Lyme and feeling about 70% on a fairly regular basis now. I stopped all pharma. treatments in Sept. as I just couldn't take it anymore. I switched to a Naturpathic Dr. who I believe has saved my life. He is not an LLND but a gifted healer.
I did Diatomaceous Earth (sp?) for 3 1/2 mos. which he says got rid of the parasites. I also do crushed raw garlic with honey, bee pollen, coconut oil and lemon juice about every 3 days.
In your opinions, should I be continuing to treat for parasites? The thought of them really freaks me out! Thank you.
ABSOLUTELY, keep treating. I know the thought of parasites freaks people out (it did me). Now it's like a science experiment for me.
DE gets the small stuff but was not enough for me. I used everything I could get my hands on (herbs, salt/c, etc). I kept working on parasites and a year later a worm finally came out. A whole year of treating! That's how hard it is for some people to get them out. My doc said that for people with babs, parasites don't let go easily. I can vouch for that.
I kept working on them and the more I did, the more worms finally started to come out. Now I pass them practically everyday. I just passed an 8 inch worm the other day. These things grow in us unnoticed. That is their only defense, to go unnoticed. It's okay though, they are part of nature and IMO everyone and everything has them.
The key is to knock them back, just like we do for lyme and co infections, not to mention our pets. I have more energy now than I did when I started treating, and I know it's because of treating parasites.
Mvdr, you might consider trying some herbs too, like humaworm or parastroy. Also salt/c. Combining salt/c and herbs helped me get worms out. I'm talking big worms, and they are still coming.
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I'm a week into my first experience with Parastroy after a couple rounds of parasite meds. Doing a little salt/c with it too. I've been seeing what I am horrified to think of as being rather long round worms come out of me now, well over a foot long. I only see them exit like this with water enemas.
Often I feel like there is something that needs to come out, but never quite ready too. Thinking now it's because that something has been a worm or two that runs up into my bowels some distance and isn't fully down yet. Ugh.
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Right on Gz! I know they are gross, but at least you are getting them out of you which is all good. They can't take the herbs and salt/c. Coffee enemas get more worms out of me than anything, plus they detox the liver and make me feel much better.
Keep up the good work! Now is the time they are reproducing (before the full moon).
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Coffee enemas are great. Since I've begun them I have a much clearer picture of how important detoxing is to the rest of tx. I have been feeling so much better with them. They make me pass a lot of stuff too, but I usually can't see what it is.
I did a good bit of salt/c with the meds, but didn't notice anything like I'm having now. The herbs have a definite place in parasite tx for me.
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Thank you all. I will definitely be trying your suggestions. Be well!
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Gz, I know, I can't say enough about them (coffee enemas)! You can use a wooden skewer to examine stuff, that way you will have a better idea of what comes out. I rarely saw anything before doing this.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne: Mvdr, congratulations on your significant improvements. I take diatomacious earth regularly, not only for parasites, but for the nutrient value as well.
Thought you all might find this snippet interesting. It came from a website that has some of the best information I've found on Diatomaceous Earth. It describes how it simple it is to take, and how it can be so helpful for our health (and is relatively cheap). It mentions that because DE shreds parasites and their eggs, it's seldom they will be noticed in our stools. But a lot of people do report feeling better after having taking it for 2-3 months.
Bone Strength A small amount of Diatomaceous Earth gets absorbed into the blood stream as silica. The benefits of silica are many. In today’s grains, there is actually a shortage of silica.Years ago, the silica found in our foodstuffs was adequate, but with today’s hybrids and depleted soils, only about 1/3 of the silica needed is supplied in our food. DE is a simple and inexpensive way to get the silica your body needs.
Silica is the absolute most important nutrient for bone strength. Silica not only aids with calcium absorption, but it is also essential for the collagen matrix that gives the bones the majority of their strength. In addition the piezoelectric effect of silica is what allows mineralization of the collagen matrix. In other words, without sufficient silica all of the calcium, magnesium, phosphorus….. will not do anything for the bones. Silica can help prevent visual problems from aging due to loss of flexibility of the lens of the eye. It is great for tendonitis and other similar problems due to the strengthening and anti-inflammatory properties of silica. Silica also links together glucosamine molecules to form chondroitin molecules for the production of cartilage. these are a few of the beneficial properties of silica.
Really good info Wayne!
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Anyone here try fenbendazole? It seems like it could be broad spectrum. If so has it helped you and is it easy on the body compRed to other stuff?
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I haven't used fenbendazole, but albendazole which is in the same family. For me, all of the antiparasitic pharms I have used only made me feel better. The albendazole did seem a little "rough" in that I got a bit of bloating and gas from it, but it's not intolerable and herbs and artemisinin are bad for that too.
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Albendazold did give me some help when I first took it a while ago. It is something I use sometimes since it is systemic. Only issue with it is it seems to cause liver area pain on it and I think it's not cause of enzymes or something like that but rather it may bother something like flukes but it isn't effective enough on its own to kill them, it does seem to help some things though.
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Man suffers from headaches for years, doctors find tapeworm moving in brain.
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Thanks for posting Lymedin. Amazing that most doctors are not aware of how parasites can cause so much illness. The CDC recently came out with a report that 60 million people in the US alone are infected with parasites.
Gael
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"Profound Improvement Experienced with Parasite Treatment
These theories aren’t just academic. In fact, many Lyme sufferers are noticing huge improvements when using various anti-worm protocols.
But it is important to be very clear here: Most of the well-known and often-used anti-parasite cleanses and herbal preparations are not capable of eradicating the parasites involved in Lyme disease. Keep reading to discover new solutions which offer much greater efficacy."
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As I completed a 3rd round of parasite meds, I noticed less of the worm strings being expelled from my eyes, even had a few days with no worms at all! (There's usually at least a half dozen between both eyes.)
I'm a week back on herbs with a little salt/c and seeing the usual amount of worms coming from my eyes again. I find myself looking forward to each round of the parasite meds. I think parasite herbs are really good for the things in my gut.
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Awesome piece Lymedin2010! It's so obvious to me that parasites hold people back.
Gz, good for you for not giving up. You are not alone, worms and lyme love the eyes. Parasite meds really helped my eyes (floaters).
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Bringing this up for golf...they need help with lung worm
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Hi guys. Long time no see. Something happened to me and its gross but i hope good news
I have been txing with buhner tea for about a month and feeling alot better
I have gradualy been adding cinnamon, ginger,nutmeg and cloves torecipes. In pretty high amounts
I Made a soup that came out kinda bland so i doctored it up with garlic, bay leaves and cloves. About a tablespoon cloves and there us about 16 servings of soup
The second and third day i had the soup i ended up having bouts of explosive diahrea. And the toilet bowl is full of little white worms in mucous. Also seseme shaped seed things i often get are coming out of my skin like crazy. And i am coughing up little white worms in mucous
The worms all loik very similar. Small, stringy, white
Once i had some thing like them but mush longer
The ones i cough up are different...they are more thick and shaped sorta like a (
Anyway...does any of this make sense to you experts? Can such a small amount of cloves do so much?
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Cloves are excellent for purging worms and eggs. So Happy you are seeing some results. Keep up with ALL of the spice you are consuming as they are antiparasitic. Ticks carry many different parasites and are keeping us in a chronic state of illness. Soup sounds tasty Ip!
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I've done herbal tinctures of wormwood, black walnut, etc. from my homeopath along with the rife and am now on the Hulda Clark maintenance once a week for parasites. I know they are no where close to being out of me. But...my kidneys are taking a hit even with taking the herbs once a week.
Has anyone else had problems with their kidneys while on a parasite cleanse and what did you do to keep them healthy? I'd love to continue but I'm concerned I'm damaging them too much and I"m already on the Hulda Clark kidney tea to support and obviously still quite toxic.
Also, any feedback from anyone else who's done Hulda Clark-did you like her protocol?
Thanks!
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Bringing this back up for Jessig
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Atta, coffee enemas help detox the liver and kidneys fast. I feel so much better, they are so worth it. That is how I am able to take the herbs everyday. Now is the time to hit parasites as the full moon is coming up.
Another great bonus about coffee enemas is they get the worms out. Whenever I do a coffee enema, the next day I see a worm. No coffee enema, no worm.
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Last week I finished up another round of parasite meds. I seem to be loaded with ascaris. I flushed out some very distinct specimens, worthy of preservation . Once a huge tangled ball of them
There were visible red lines in many of them. Was this a primitive circulatory system? nerve cord? No... it was their intestine I was seeing.
According to everything I have read about ascaris, they free float in the intestines and absorb nutrients, not the hosts blood. Seeing freshly flushed out worms with bright red intestines makes me ponder otherwise.
Parasiteinfo.com says about ascaris, "Up to approximately one hundred roundworm worms can infect a single human host." I totally disagree with that statement!
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Fascinating (their intestines)! Good work Gz! I've passed nests of worms before too. Gross but imagine how many people have them and don't even know it.
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With this last round of meds, I have also saw a bunch of cresent shaped/"C" shaped things, about the size of a pencil eraser diameter or smaller. Any clue what they could be? Maybe I don't want to know ha ha.
I have also been passing large ropes of stuff. There is a definite pattern for me related to the process of how they leave my body. Whether this is ropeworm/mucoid plaque/other intestinal sludge, I believe it plays a huge role in my getting better.
One of the things I notice in the days before I start passing ropes is that I pass enormous amounts of small parasites. It's like every critter from lymephotos brought their friends to the shindig in my toiletbowl. This follows a period of having had intestinal discomfort.
Sometimes I have felt instantly amazing, almost euphoric, after passing these ropes. Other times I don't get relief, because there are others still in process of moving out at the same time.
I believe these masses of ropes are likely to contain biofilm and colonies of parasites and microorganisms. While I think it is normal for humans to have parasites, I think if someone has stealth infections, addressing parasites can be a critical element in eliminating biofilm mass that protects these infections.
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I know what you mean about feeling better after passing rope worms. I think it's getting rid of all their toxins. They release a ton. I've been working on them for over a year, and still passing them.
I agree, I think it is normal for everyone and everything to have parasites, but not massive infections like we have. They hold people back, and I believe most don't even know they have them.
Bart and proto make lots of biofilm (tons more with proto), and it protects these guys for sure. Are you doing coffee enemas too? Sometimes that is all I need to get them out.
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Keep on fighting the good fight . I do coffee enemas every day. I pass a lot of ropes with that alone. I notice when I get into the second week of parasite pharms I get symptoms there is a lot of stuff letting go at once. This last round was pretty intense with the amount of ropes.
It makes sense for us to have tons of parasites. It is the immune system that keeps them in check. If things like lyme and coinfections are proliferating while depressing the immune system, parasites are going to have a heyday as well.
I suspect I have proto, have the symptoms of it. I seem to have two distinct sets of symptoms that I thought were all babs, thinking one might be proto, unless it's two different babs or something else entirely.
I've read about people passing ropes for years. Anything that lives in our intestines makes a lot of biofilm. Freaks me out seeing so many huge things as ascaris worms. Just think of how much biofilm a single worm is capable of secreting. The cozy cement that keeps all the critters together.
I am starting to have a few normal hours a few times a week. I am hoping it's the beginnings of getting better. I know for sure I wouldn't be feeling it if I wasn't addressing the parasite/BIOFILM in the gut issue.
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I have a question. Can vitamin c only and no salt kill parasites?
I started taking vit c recently and am now passing them but no salt.
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Anyone have link to order easy to use enema? Also can disposable enema be worth using?
Thanks
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Maya, whatever works for you great! Vit c alone never made me pass worms though.
Xelaetaks, I never cared much for the disposable ones (can't really control the amount of air that gets in you), but I do like this one (think it was $15):
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I use the red bag enema combo. If a local walmart carries it, you can get it for less than $5.
I think if the vitamin c is clearing the bowels it could make a lot more stuff come out visible, as opposed to more digested.
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The worm strings I get in my eyes stayed gone about 2.5 weeks this time. The crawling sensations are starting to come back too. They take longer to return with each med round I do.
I found some info saying the worm strings in the eyes are a form of candida. If this is the case, the fact that they clear with parasite tx gives a lot of support to the "russian doll" principle.
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Gz, I hear you. Amazing how parasite meds help with the eyes.
Been passing worms all weekend (full moon). I forgot to take a binder one day though and felt bad all day. I'm usually okay if I take humaworm (has psyllium in it) but I didn't take humaworm this time and wham. Thankfully a coffee enema pulled me out of it.
The week after the full moon is still a very active time for them too.
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I was doing coffee enemas for a while but stopped because it was affecting the kidneys but that was a while back before I even started with a kidney cleanse.
I've since stopped my Hulda Clark parasite herbs which were also really hurting my kidneys and since then have felt a lot of kidney improvement. So I think I will give it another go...maybe after a colonic which I have been doing recently and am pretty sure I've had some fragments of ropeworm in the toilet afterwards..
Right now for parasites, candida, and apparently lyme and cos by the way I am herxing, I am using Cold pressed Coriander oil and Cold Pressed Black Cumin seed oil.
Holy Moly, four weeks in I am experiencing rotating joint pain, muscle fatigue, emotional swings, hot/cold flashes, exhaustion....So I know I'm killing and not properly detoxing...I think it's time to try those coffee enemas again
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I have been working sporadically to try to kill a very large tapeworm in my small intestine.
These seem much more difficult to get than other kinds of worms (a good many of which I released a long time ago), in large part because they sequester heavy metals and then release them. That has made me really sick if I have gone too fast, so this has been a long process.
The other issue that I have is that my intestines are pretty stuck together with adhesions. I actually wonder if the tapeworm toxins causes the adhesions. But in any case, this makes the issue more difficult since it seems to provide some protection to the tapeworm (keeping it from being moved out of the system).
Recently I have been using a variety of typical parasite herbs in high doses. Also some of a product called "Rascal," which has pumpkin seeds and is supposed to be specifically for tapeworms.
What I feel like when I take doses of herbs is that the parasite goes into almost rigor mortis. I get a stabbing feeling and a feeling of that section of the abdomen feeling stiff and hard.
Once in a while, I can feel the tapeworm crawl to a different part of my small intestine. Right now, it is toward the top. Like right under my stomach.
I feel less sick from the toxins than I used to, so that part is good. But I have heard of so few success stories of people successfully killing tapeworms (as opposed to other worms) that I am discouraged.
I do feel that the worm is much smaller than it used to be, and I have expelled a whole bunch of stuff over time. But it seems really stubborn.
I do water enemas and coffee enemas, and herbal laxatives of various sorts. And I have been adding some fiber (such as acacia fiber), and gone back to trying bentonite. And I eat enormous amounts of fermented foods (and almost nothing else).
What else should I be trying if I want to be aggressive at this point?
It sounds like one suggestion in Salt-C, which I've never really pursued before.
I've taken a lot of DE over time, and it seems to irritate this thing too.
What about ozone? I only have a little water purifying machine, but I am wondering about drinking the water or using it in enemas. It's been a while since I've done that. Or maybe an expensive machine would work better.
Other thoughts?
Thanks much......
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The adhesions might just be more worms. I have passed tons of worms, so imagine how they can get grow, move and block things. It's also never just one worm.
I also get the stabbing feelings in my abdomen too when I hit them hard. I can also feel movement. Are you sure it's just a tapeworm? I know that rope worms at a certain stage can propel themselves (gas) which might feel like movement (they actually are moving through intestines).
You might want to meet with a Dr. K practitioner for tape worm treatment.
The only other thing I can suggest is to mix salt/c with herbs (not at the same time). Salt really does give the herbs that extra push to help them let go and exit. Also, I've mixed a couple of different parasite products before (helps). These things adapt, so I have to change it up.
Hopefully someone with ozone experience can give you some input for parasites.
There are probably more things (equipment), but my brain is zoning out right now. Hang in there!
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So i just passed a rope worm this morning. I did an MMS enema yesterday, so i guess its doing something.
My LLMD actually sugested going after rope worms having been to some seminars (from klinghardt i guess). He mentioned the Gubarev prototol. Gubarev enemas are based on milk/salt or eucalyptus leaves/oil and there are some other types as well. Has anyone have experience with this?
How to get the freaking things out?? What diet is best? I think avoiding sugar and carbs is the minimum (already doing that), but are there other suggestions? I think ive read somewhere that even B vitamin supplements feed these parasites...
Could i have finally found the source of my relentless brain fog, nausea, belching, indigestion, twitching? I always figured it was bartonella, cause symtoms seem to decrease with rifampin (but never go away). But now i understand rifampin actually hits a lot of parasites as well. Hmmm stuff to think about...
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I found the enema series helpful. If you try it I highly recommend starting out with a smaller quantity of eucalyptus oil than is recommended. It can be incredibly irritating, as I discovered.
The eucalyptus enema was instantly systemic. It cleared my sinuses far better than any type of inhalation could have. I feel like I had body odor from it for less than a day, not sure if it was some kind of detox reaction or other or if it was just how I was perceiving smell. I have seen people talk about getting ropes out with just regular eucalyptus enemas.
I do daily coffee enemas for detox and I pass lots of ropes with those alone, even before I tried the Gubarev protocol. Since I began coffee enemas I have done multiple rounds of parasite meds, which also moves the ropes out.
I think low sugar/carbs is best, most pathogens and parasites need your dietary glucose to survive/thrive. I didn't know about the B vitamins, thanks for mentioning that! Taking enzymes on an empty stomach seems to help get more stuff out also.
When I began treating parasites, I saw a reduction/disappearance in many of the symptoms you mention. Many I thought were from bart. Parasites provide cover for bartonella and other pathogens in addition to producing lots of biofilm. When I first started treating parasites I had intense bartonella flares.
Treating parasites has been the biggest single factor in the improvements I have been experiencing. I feel like it's probably difficult for most people to get better without addressing them.
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Thank you! I was a bit skeptic about the whole rope worm idea, but having seen them i know they are real. Whether or not they are actually worms remains to be seen of course. Perhaps it has more to do with mucous colonies of microscopic parasites. Anyway next time ill throw some of it under the microscope and try to make a giemsa stain to see what bacteria it holds.
A year a go i was also convinced there were parasites involved with my illness, but ivermectin and alinia didnt seem to help. Well, ivermectin does help with babesia night sweats tbh, but thats it. I was a bit disappointed at the time. Perhaps i need to look more in to the albendazole/mebendazole treatment, or even pyrantel and praziquantel (biltricide). I did try albenza for 2 weeks, and got some reaction out of it, so perhaps it needs more time, or different combination with other antiparasitics? Also my diet at the time wasnt great, lots of carbs, so i may have been feeding them more then i was killing them?
I actually bought some milk and salt today so i can try the gubarev enema. Im not sure if this type is less effective than the eucalyptus enema? Anyway, i feel its good to alternate between the MMS enemas and the gubarev enemas (which is done only once every 4 days).
What im wondering is if people get cured by doing those enemas? It seems like it only hits the large intestine, so more worms will continue to poor downstream from the small intestine i think?
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Re the antiparasitics and ropeworms, albendazole was a heavy hitter for me for moving the ropes. I used it in two week courses paired with another parasite med, often not seeing much the first week but then passing tons of stuff the next week and longer.
I've also had some good results with pyrantel/iver. I think too it's just what's ready and there to let go when you start nudging with treatments.
I don't think the milk/salt enema is less effective than the eucalyptus, but it has a different function.
Anything you put into your colon can be systemically absorbed straight to the bloodstream. Medications, nutrition, alcohol, toxins, water, anything. One way coffee and other types of enemas are effective is they can stimulate the liver to dump its bile to the intestines, which can effectively clear the liver and allow you to catch toxins for binding. I saw liver flukes after my second coffee enema.
The intestine is often a hangout for adult stages of parasites large enough for us to see, while microscopic ones and larval stages are there and travel throughout the body too. Enticing them to leave interrupts the life cycle, hopefully decreasing numbers over time.
I agree that this is probably some type of colony of a bunch of stuff. Before I pass a rope I feel very ill with GI discomfort, and expel tons of small parasite looking stuff. I see a distinct pattern with rope expulsion. It will be interesting to see what you find under magnification!
I began treating parasites on a hunch, and I never imagined I would get the visual confirmations I have gotten! I treat my lyme with abx, but feel like everything could come back if I allowed too many protective parasites to remain in the gut/body and my immune system couldn't kick them. If we are immune suppressed and can't kick TBD's without help, we probably need help with the other parasites too.
Also if we have parasites and biofilm interfering with our gut function, then getting that stuff cleared out so the gut can heal should help the immune system overall, which should make it easier to treat TBD's.
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Perhaps these parasites are a result of an immune system that gets stuck in the Th1 response?
Th1 is the proinflammatory side of the immune system which primarily goes after intracellular infections (like lyme and bacterial co-infections).
Th2 is associated with extracellular antigen expression and is normally needed for things like helminth infections.
The immune system can only go either way. It cant do both Th1 and Th2 at the same time.
So what if all these people who are initially not sick, keeping their parasitic worm infections under control with a Th2 shifted immune system, and then lyme comes a long? The chronic lyme infection forces the immune system to shift to Th1, and so all parasitic worm infections can now feast and grow out of control. Their toxins (and heavy metal build up) keep the immune system functioning poorly, so the lyme infection will never be resolved. And if the lyme is not resolved then neither will the parasitic infection. Thats a clear deadlock situation if you ask me! Just food for thought.
We have to break the vicious cycle. And perhaps treating the parasites and heavy metals which keep immune function poorly is a better way to go than to keep hammering at the bacterial lyme&co infections?
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quote:Originally posted by gz:
I began treating parasites on a hunch, and I never imagined I would get the visual confirmations I have gotten! I treat my lyme with abx, but feel like everything could come back if I allowed too many protective parasites to remain in the gut/body and my immune system couldn't kick them. If we are immune suppressed and can't kick TBD's without help, we probably need help with the other parasites too.
Also if we have parasites and biofilm interfering with our gut function, then getting that stuff cleared out so the gut can heal should help the immune system overall, which should make it easier to treat TBD's.
Right on Gz (completely agree)! Parasites hold people back, period. So happy you are getting good results!
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S13 or anyone else, I think parasites are simply part of nature and everyone and everything has them. Their eggs are in the air, on our food, etc. IMO, it's normal to have them for the recycling process in nature. Lyme patients need to knock them back, as they are just one more thing for our bodies to deal with.
As far as ropes go, humaworm and para cleaner gets them out of me, as well as coffee enemas. These worms took forever for me to find and get them out. LOTS and LOTS of work. So (for new people or anyone unfamiliar) just taking a product or med and seeing nothing means nothing.
Keep trying, and you will see something come out, even if it's not rope worms, other parasites/eggs will show up. For people with babs or proto, the worms hold on, big time.
I've taken and mixed different products along with salt/c. Adding salt c in works. Rotating products or adding an additional one works as well. These things adapt, so just like treating lyme and company, rotating stuff helps.
Another thing about rope worms, they have the unique ability to avoid detection by autolysis (sp?) which means the minute they know the are not in the right place (colon) or dying, they release an enzyme to dissolve themselves so their host does not detect them and treat further. This protects their clan. I know it sounds nuts, but it's quite real and makes perfect sense in nature.
I once saw them after a coffee enema, but forgot to flush. I came back to clean up about an hour later, lifted the toiled lid and they were like jelly, sort of like egg white consistency. I think most would think what they were seeing was biofilm or yeast. Not the case. I think it's fascinating that they can do this.
The more I treat, the better I feel. Keep treating (don't give up)!
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quote:Originally posted by S13: Anyway next time ill throw some of it under the microscope and try to make a giemsa stain to see what bacteria it holds.
I would be very interested in learning and seeing what you find. Definitely post it in the microscopy thread, too.
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Also, S13,
Thanks for the clear Th1 and Th2 explanation! That would line up well with my experience, that's for sure.
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So i made some picture today of the Rope worm. It can get a bit graphical, so i hope im not ruining this thread
So here is a loose piece about 5cm long: Click for larger image.
Under the microscope, 400x mag, this is what it lookes like: You can see its made from some kind of cellular material, but very irregular. The brown stuff are probably pieces of food that got stuck in the slime. You can also see the slime actually shaping or curving the cellular-like material. The cellular material is roughly the same size as a white or red blood cell, so in the range of ~5-10um diameter.
So the next image shows an edge of the "worm", and has been stained with a Giemsa solution: Interesting is that there is almost no visible staining of bacterial, protozoal, or cellular material. Except for the small blue dot that is probably a couple of bacteria clumped together. This kind of struck me when i was looking under the microscope. There was hardly any moving bacteria in this slime! Perhaps it has something to do with the fact these "worms" originate from the small intestine which is supposed to be sterile. So as the slime grows, no bacteria are embedded.
So for these rope worms i made a few observations: - There is some kind of cellular like material, hold together with slimy substance, but it is very chaotic (totally unlike normal multicellular organisms) - There are no white blood cells involved, no red bloodcells and im pretty sure no other human cells because of a lack of DNA staining from the giemsa solution - Perhaps these are not cells at all, perhaps they are parasitic eggs of some kind (a harder shell like structure could perhaps keep the staining material away from the internal DNA)
So in my opionion it has little to do with an actual worm, and possibly more with parasitic colonies. But again, pure speculation!
I also took some samples of normal feces to check for any irregularities. And there is this one structure that strikes me as "remarkable" (im no expert at reading poo, but this stood out for me): So its actually these small worm like creatures. They are quite large, about 50um - 100um in length is my best guess. Still invisible to the naked eye, but large for a microscope. There are 5 of these worms in the picture. On the bottom 2 are joined side by side.
Close up of the 2 side by side worms:
And another one:
As you can see, these worms have a pretty regular structure, multicellular, much unlike the larger rope worms. The thing which looks like a long coil spring is actually plant based material, so thats from what i ate before.
But these small worms, im not sure about them? Does anyone recognize them? Maybe they have something to do with the rope worms, maybe they dont. Perhaps a kind of strongyloide in its earlier phases? I sure hope i have finally found the parasite that is keeping me sick!
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Great post S13. I love the lab stuff.
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There is something else ive seen in my blood a long time a go: Could be an artifact, contamination, or a parasite. It is clearly being attacked by white blood cells. You can see them sticking on all the sides of the "worm".
So maybe this is the parasite im looking for?
Another manual time lapse of live blood shows growth of an unknown worm like creature. In the image below they are very small, maybe 20-30um long. The bigger worm in the blood above is much bigger, over 300um long. But perhaps these smaller parasites are young larva that hatch and eventually will grow to these bigger worms? Who will know? Anyway the time lapse that shows the growth: This was captured by pure luck btw, and i dont see them very often. Maybe the parasites (and/or eggs?) cycle in and out of the blood?
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Wow im actually starting to suspect i have systemic Trichinosis! Given my reaction to albendazole, my muscular problems, puffy red eyes (bags), strange rashes, nausea. Ive always said that my muscles feel toxified, like something is poisoning them from within. Perhaps its the Trichinella cysts that invade the muscle tissue.
Systemic trichinosis can cause a lot of neurological problems as well from what ive read. And its very tricky to treat (perhaps thats why my short course of albenza showed some improvement, but no cure)
Great.
Anyone suggestions for treating this stuff? Longer term albendazole? Rotation antiparasitic herbs? Iver and alinia did not help at all.
I may look in to getting a muscle biopsy to verify this worm infestation.
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