Topic: Where did the "Successful Infra Red Treatment" thread by Gigi go?
Truthfinder
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GiGi, so there is still a chance that you will receive the Bionic 880? It's important to find out if the thing can be legally imported or not. And under what circumstances.
Did anyone notice if there is any kind of patent on the machine, or if a patent has been applied for? We certainly don't want to step on any toes in that department.
I have a preliminary theory about why this machine + nosodes works. Historically, nosodes made from diseased organisms or tissues will not cure a patient - treatment with nosodes usually has to be preceded or followed with another homeopathic remedy(ies).
I believe that this is because the `disease' of the person is a combination of both the organism that causes disease AND the `terrain' - the inherent or acquired characteristics - of the individual person. As discussed on this board many times, the infectious bug is only part of the equation. The terrain is everything.
So, the infrared/biophoton energy must alter the actual terrain of the person so that the homeopathic nosode frequencies can act on the body without the customary limitations. And from what I've read that GiGi posted about the Bionic 880 and heavy metals, etc., this is what seems to be happening. And if so, this is truly amazing. The implications here are a bit staggering.
And I still think that treatment using the actual Bionic 880 + nosodes could be affordable if `patient groups' bought their own machines. The additional costs of paying a `practitioner' to do ART testing - and any cleanses or other therapies - shouldn't be terribly expensive. I think that if a person could get away with putting Lyme in remission for $1,000 or less, that is a BARGAIN.
I challenge anyone to add up what they've spent for treatment already, despite good insurance coverage for some.
I' been mulling over the financial aspects of patient groups owning their own machines, and how that could work long term as more people wanted treatment, etc. I'll pass my thoughts on to Bob once I have a firm idea of how it could work.
I think.... just maybe.... WE CAN DO THIS! But we have to verify that the protocol works first. And that the machine can be imported here legally, without hassles from the FDA.
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Excellent points Truthfinder. We are so built in this country for an individual to see a healthcare provider. A group means we can negotiate better deals. In my investigation the health care practioners I've talked with are excited about this group project. They've never seen anything quite like it. So I think there are advantages to doing things in a group. Plus the benefit of everyone working together for the whole group's health. It's been quite an experience. I don't want to supply to many details here.
I really haven't communicated to much with my group yet. I have to do some of that today. And I've been too busy to research putting a site together. Again I'll be doing that today.
Also Sparkle and anyone interested it might be good idea to specifically look at diode technology. See the link below:
It's disappointing about the FDA issue. However, I still believe we are making progress. We just need to take our time and do it right.
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Yes - I realize that the Bionic 880 is a LED device. I posted the info about the Low Level Laser for everyone's information.
It's nice to see everyone coming to the table with bits of information to share.
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I think my point is not all diodes used in the devices being sold are the same. If we want to provide specifications to a manufacturer, the most important ingredient is the diodes used. There are super LED called sleds and regular LEDs.
There aren't too many diode manufacturers, so finding out what diode or specifying what diode to use may be the road to take.
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Truthfinder, that is a very interesting perspective.
Gigi, thanks for keeping us posted. When you said your device was in Ohio I wasn't sure if that was where it was held up by customs, or if you had gotten it partway through customs.
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I think you will get your device. I was thinking about the fact that if a doctor orders a European approved drug for a patient (such as lipostabil) because he/she regards it as necessary for treatment, it can be imported. So, why not an LED machine like Bionic 880? Maybe a doctor will have to write an Rx?
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GiGi, I probably don't have to ask this, but will you find out more about the 2000 lyme patients who were treated and recovered? EG. symptom presentation, progression of illness, mobility issues, etc.
Greatly appreciate the info. I am off to Seattle tomorrow. Aliyah
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If it's being held up by the FDA, it's probably not an "approved" medical device.
They may let people use it for personal use but I don't think a doctor could offer it to patients. I may be wrong but I think these things have to be approved by the FDA.
If a doctor uses these types of things for their patients they may get in trouble & lose their license if they are not approved.
I don't know what the case is for people with Natropathic Doctor licenses or massage therapists, acupuncturists, doctors of homeopathy, etc. LLLT is being used to help people quit smoking & some places use lasers for pain management.
I guess that's why alot of places that sell this equipment are associated with using this equipment on animals, veterinarians, etc.
Seems like it may be a long winding road for this type of therapy here. I've been looking for comments on other message boards about anyone using LEDs or LLLT for illnesses & found very little.
Maybe it's all just very new... If anyone can find anything - please post a link. There are some studies about using light but I was interested in what people's experiences were.
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TRACY/ truthfinder, just one more info.
According to dr. K., homeopathics on 'stronger' potencies (less than D12, if my memory is good) are absorbed much better by the body THROUGH green laser than with ingestion.
He said this was clear through his experience.
I've been trying to 'take' other things like herbs and essential oils though the laser, instead of ingesting, but I found out it's not as effective. I asked my naturopath, she said, it's not the same, but for homeopathics, it works.
Lower dilutions of homeopathics are necessary in his opinion, so that the substance don't get destroyed (because of EMFs from the laser).
In his way of seeing things, homeopathics work in the 'light' field of each person (both ingested AND with the laser), as they act in the 'energy' field. I mean, that's the way I understood when he explained. It's not something published, these were only his words in the conference.
Each cell emits biophotons, and the collection of all biophotons around the body is each person's 'light field'. This light field has to be coherent, and then a person is healthy. The lifhg field is the thing that controls cell activity and body function, according to his hypothesis. It's not the brain.
So if homeopathics act there in this light field it will act better if delivered by light. At least, that's how I came to 'understand' the functioning of homeopathics.
So again, coming back to my herbs and light, well herbs and essential oils are to act in the physical body, killing, modulating, cleaning in physical ways. But not in the higher bodies.
So when herbs get delivered by light (thorugh the laser), these stuff don't work as well as when delivered by the 'level' they belong, which is physical body = ingestion (or infusion, or rubbing on skin).
This is just my way of trying to grasp these treatments modalities, of course.
So there seems to be a very good marriage between homeopathics and light treatments in general (not only laser or infrared). Because they're all working in the same 'level'!
So I guess here again, even though not all potencies used by dr. Woitzel are lower potencies (I guess dr. Woitzel shall keep changing nosodes frequently, or by patient, so that they don't get too annoyed by flashing light), that's one way things seem to work, through light.
All these light treatments are only possible if one thinks that all these hypothesis are good:
- that our cells emit light and that this light is used to trasmit bio-messages;
- that our bodies/ cells understand 'exterior' light information, so that it interacts with it;
- that it is possible to transmit very coded information (through homeopathy and light frequencies, and types of waves of light) to our biological light field.
I'm just trying to make some sense of it all.... Selma
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So if homeopathics work stimulated by light to influence the light field a change occurs. The light field has been given a message and the light field responds and a physical reaction happens in the body.
In the case of nosodes, energetic testing, and the 880; it works similarly. The light field is given a message via the nosode and the biophotons are delivered and in essence patching holes in the light field. With the light field patched the cells themselves can exert a physical reaction.
I'm guessing the light field is constructed of all cells in the body. Like each cell is a flashlight. Lyme, mercury, and pathogens work to dim the light from cells. Fritz Popp must have been able to see this diminished light in the body with diagnostic equipment. It would be great if there were a device to look at the body this way.
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Wow GiGi that is even better than I hoped. Maybe I need to renew my passport. I will talk to Dr K about this technology tomorrow.
Today I fly a commuter and other flight by myself with wheelchair to Seattle for the first time in 16 months of flying there with husband. He has decided this is too much for him.
It is amazing what we will do to get well. Thanks to all those who get well or are well, yet continue to assist and support others who are struggling and moving toward healing. Last time in Seattle, Dr K's associate said we are the canaries in the cave and we go there to get well and we increase our vibration and the people who accompany us do as well.
Wish my husband was listening. Have a great trip for you and your husband. And thank you and him for continually blazing the trail. Aliyah
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This was on a website for someone who developed a technique for allergies. I don't know if the technique is any good but this info may be useful to understand the way light works in the body...
It turns out that living cells emit small bursts of light. Fritz Albert Popp, a Nobel Prize winner in physics determined that cell not only radiate light they absorb light as well. A healthy cell stores light for a longer period that an unhealthy cell can. A healthy cell radiates coherent light while a diseased cell radiates chaotic light.
Popp coined the phrase biophotons which has spawned an incredibly large industry. A goggle search of biophotonics produces over 400,000 hits. Biophotons travel at the speed of light forming the electromagnetic frequency patterns found in every living organism.
The Russians were able to modulate laser light, which is distinct due to its coherence and add semantics (meaning) to the carrier wave. In this way they actually reprogrammed DNA in living organisms using the correct resonant frequencies.
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**** An explanation of meridians and some scietific explanation of them. This is probably why Dr. W. is using them to deliver the biophotons
Bio-electromagnetic theories
Science has long been aware of an electrical phenomenon called the "Current of Injury".
This happens when tissue in the body undergoes trauma or microscopic damage to an area of skin. When skin cells are pierced, as with an acupuncture needle, they start leaking electrically charged ions into the surrounding areas of tissue. A weak electrical battery-like charge is created. This electric current is called the current of injury, which is know to stimulate a healing response from the nearby cells. This does not explain how stimulating acupoints with low level, non-invasive lasers could achieve the same therapeutic effects. (12)
The electrical conductivity of acupoints has been known for several decades thanks to the work of Nakatani in the 1950s and by Dr. Robert Becker in the 1970s. Becker's work on the Large Intestine and the Pericardium meridians found that the points along these channels showed significantly more electrical conductivity than areas of skin with non-acupoints.
In 1986 German scientist Fritz-Albert Popp and Chinese biologist, Chang-Lin Zhang developed a model they called the "Standing Wave Superposition Hypothesis". This research attempts to accommodate the holographic nature of acupuncture such as the homunculus or miniature representation of the whole body represented in the ears and the feet. The theory also strives to explain the anomalous skin resistance properties of acupuncture points as well as the apparent interconnectivity between them. (13)
In the Zhang-Popp model, it is shown that the body is composed of sodium, potassium and other electrically charged inorganic ions such as proteins and DNA which when accelerated will emit EM radiation in accordance with conventional physical theory.
With these many types of charges oscillating in the body, an interference pattern is produced formed by the various waves of various wavelengths.
The highest combination of wave amplitudes forms the acupuncture points and meridians by means of constructive interference. At these points the skin is at the highest in electrical conductivity. This conductivity depends on the internal electrical field, which is determined by the interference pattern from the superposition of the numerous waves. (14) Hence, the standing wave pattern of a sick person would have a varied pattern from that of a healthier person. The treatment of acupuncture with needles in the acupoints would cause a disturbance in the standard wave pattern caused by new boundaries formed by the needle. The needle activates the current of injury response resulting in a change in the EM field, producing changes in the biological response, which may promote healing. It is this theory, which implicates the EM fields of the entire body.
****** the link from where the above narrative came from
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Wow, GiGi!!! Now I want to go to Germany!
I've been reading along ... but it's still unclear .... if one of us were to go to Germany and not buy the machine, is two weeks how long we would need to stay?
Or would we need to stay for the 8 weeks we discussed before?
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Six - when I called for an appointment and told the receptionist my son has been taking abx for two years, she said to come for three weeks. If you have been on abx for a long time, the treatment takes longer.
I don't know if she completely understood, as her English is limited. I just "winged it" with English and the four years of German I studied in high school many years ago!
Ask for a "Termin" (=appointment) when you call - per Gigi's instructions.
Don't know if Dr. W is fluent in English even though he does know the language. Not important - we are going forward with this (our appointment is July 10th)!!
Psano - check Cheapoair.com for low airfares as I've checked others and this seems to have the best prices so far. I found one for $888 round trip, non-stop, on a major US carrier.
I'm still waiting to hear from our friend who works for the airlines (he may be laid off!). Travel dates in the Summer are usually blacked out for the season if one is flying standby, so tickets would probably not be available anyway!
I am now looking for a place for us to stay. I'm checking into the vacation apartments Gigi suggested. It's a work in progress, that's for sure!
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I am in the UK and am thinking of coming over to Germany to be treated, and would like to know if there is another woman in her own who would like to share an apartment in Berlin where I have contacts. The rents are very cheap. I saw that there was a few practitioners on a list but I don't remember where i saw th list. Do you have a link GiGi?
If there is a woman in the UK I would consider buying a car and driving over instead of flying.
I know Berlin and can speak some German and have a number of contacts who would be able to help us.
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hopingandpraying - Wow, if 3 weeks is all it takes for someone who's been on 2yrs of antibiotics like me, I'm there. I'm so discouraged right now because I'm relapsing, again.
I was thinking it would be more like 3 months based on one of Gigi's post about the woman who stayed at the place she's planning to stay.
Thanks for the tip about cheapairlines. Haven't been to that site before. That seems like a pretty good fare that you got.
Patti
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Psano2 - the airfare I quoted was from Chicago's O'Hare airport. Since you are in California, I think it would be more. Check the website and see.
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I would come to the Black Forrest but it is just so easy to get around in Berlin. I hope Dr Heinrich is good. I have sent a message to a friend in Berlin to ask if he knows of an apartment or a room and i will go asap
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I would like to send some information about this treatment to my doctor. Is there any kind of package I can send him about this?
My doctor is Italian but I don't know if he can read German. I think it would be good if we can have practicioners here who can offer this - even if it takes some time.
I have also found some "non-traditional" doctors & natropaths who may be interested in this to help people in the area here. Lyme is very bad in NJ. Many whole families are being effected.
Not many are interested in alternative therapies but I think when they realize how hard it is to get well, they may begin to search for alternatives.
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GiGi curious about this statement
quote: As long as you test positive with energetic testing, which is a prerequisite and needs to be correctly done, treatment will continue monthly until you clear them.
In what situation wouldn't you test positive? Besides being healthy or just not having lyme.
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Thanks GiGI! I know you are busy. If you have time to do this it would be great.
I sent my doctor information but it would be good to ask him about it again after he gets some more specific data.
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GiGi,
Thank you so very much for your extensive posts about this.
I look forward to reading more and am thrilled that I may have some reason to hope for a chance at life after decades of - well, you know.
I hope that you and your husband have easy travel and enjoy most aspects of your journey very much.
Take care,
Tricia
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I hope all goes well for you GiGi. You've given soooo much of yourself in this thread. It is inspiring how you deftly handle everyones questions and concerns. Like Tricia, I have renewed hope.
I also hope your husband and all others going to Germany every success in your treatments.
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I want to give some info to my dr tomorrow morning but don't have the capacity to read or research much right now...if anyone has some good info already put together, or anything saved from the original thread, could you please PM me? I'd be very very grateful
and many thanks to you GiGi for sharing all this. I sent you an email. hope to talk more soon. have a great trip!
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went back through this thread and found the basic links..thanks sparkle! I can at least print this out for now and give my dr the biophoton.de site
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Are we saying that this is a CURE for lyme disease? I thought there was NO cure??
Being someone who is very ill and reading all of this, one tends to get their hopes up. I am willing to do anything to get my life back.
If Doctors knew about this, why wouldnt they want to use it to cure their patients??
I wish I had the money and health to travel and get this done...oh well
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Dear GiGi,
This is SOOOOO exciting!!
My only question now is what about the co-infections?? Are they handled at the same time, or does something else need to be done?
Love,
Cass A
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Shandy there is a group in massachusetts starting to form. The idea of the groups is to bring the machines here and to make it affordable by sharing the cost. Search for 880 you'll find the group's post.
The concept is to self treat. We don't necessarily need a doctor or health care prationer to use the 880. We need lab work and an energetic tester. I found an energetic tester willing to do my entire group for free if one gets formed. When the time is right, I would ask them how best to handle the lab work. I know they have connections to reduce the price.
While GiGi is away it is important that one group gets formed so we know we can at least have some solidarity. If a group isn't formed we will never know if we could find remission in this way.
The information to have success will be better known when those that go to Germany can share their experiences while we form these groups.
Right now, many people are hanging on the fence waiting. That will not get it done.
I have everything for a group but participants. The same can be said of Massachusetts. I have a couple of practioners in Maryland who are interested in helping that can do the energetic testing. Several great Ideas from GiGi, Sparkle, and Marnie as to the method of treatment 880 or close facsimile.
I would like to purchase the 880 if we can. But if we can't we can purchase the closest device that meets the specification. If a group forms quick enough I would suggest that. I had the sense the 880 wouldn't be approved from 4 months to a year. The company assured me they are in the process of doing the FDA paperwork. I have another question to the same company to find out why the 880 versus other machines we see on the internet.
I've also been working to create a private forum specifically for the 880 groups.
We should be careful when we use the word "cure", the FDA prevents supplement companies to use this word. It is best to use remission when ever we talk to what we hope to accomplish
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I guess sometimes you have no choice but to sit it out on the sidelines when you have no money...and you are so sick that some days just lifting your head off the pillow is a miracle.
looks like this girl will have to wait..... Sometimes, I have no toilet paper... thats my reality.
GiGi I wish you luck in Germany, I hope this is your answer! I wish everyone the best on this journey.... all we want is wellness, I know thats all I want for me and my family..... just looks like I will have no choice but to go the abx route.
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I've just received an e-mail from a friend who has recently gone to live in Berlin and is staying with his daughter, and he is very keen to help and even says that he would move out so i could stay with his daughter while I get treatment and she can help me with her car. Also she lives south of the city where the traffic is not bad. I have posted a letter to Dr Heinrich to ask about energy testing and how much his sessions are. So things are moving Posts: 148 | From europe | Registered: Apr 2008
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Mati, that's wonderful news.
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I wonder:
In addition to the various tick-borne infections, would this also consider some of the other chronic stealth infections that are added to the mix for some - such as Chlamydia Pneumonia (Cpn), HHV-6, etc. . . Coxackie (sp?) virus . . . mycoplasma . . .
I tried to read over all the posts but did not find mention of these, although I've not been able to go to all the links yet.
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I know Shandy, there are those without means and have to sit on the side-lines. And I'm really sorry you're in that situation. I'm hoping those with means once treated work with those who don't have means to somehow work with them as well. In time I hope we all get treated.
GiGi, thanks for nosode response, I guess I just needed to be sure.
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Shandy, you have a very good LLMD who is also well versed in alternatives and rebuilding health. I am fully functional again (on meds). You will feel better.
I'm looking more for this machine to keep me in remission once I get there. Maybe that's not the right reason, but I don't want to go through this again. If this works for others here, then I'll be more motivated to get off the meds and give it a real chance ... but my main concern is to be sure my children don't go through what I'm going through.
If I didn't feel so good (95% well), then I'd be more likely to quit meds immediately!
If I get one, you can come here and use it. We even have toilet paper, but it's a really crowded house.
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SIx, that was funny!!! ... I hope it's Scott 1000 sheets!!!!
Maybe once I am feeling much better like you, that would be something to keep me in remission...and thank you for the offer...much appreciated!!
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I can swing the airfare and probably a room but incase I missed the post, does anyone know how much Dr. Woitzer charges for say, 5 sessions? This would be good to know.
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Shandy - I know the feeling... It's sort of like a snake biting it's tail. Too ill to work, no money to get well.
It's been tough all around for me. This is why I'm trying to devise a way to use this knowledge & do it on a less expensive scale.
Medicine is a science & an art. If it's science that proves that nosodes & light can work together to create healing - then, the outcomes can be reproduced.
I'm not sure how precise all the elements have to be to get a good result. I'm still researching it & I'm willing to experiment on myself. I need alittle more time to gather all the info.
Any findings people have would be useful to gather together... whether it's from going to see Dr. W or from other aspects of the treatment (homeopathic nosodes, LEDs, biophotonics, equipment).
I'm not sure taking abx are the answer. It seems that the way of abx are to push the infection deeper into the system &/or change the structure of the pathogens.
I can't afford abx but even if I could, I don't think i would use them. They didn't help me in the 8 months I took them & I think they seemed to make things worse.
If you can't afford to go to Germany, I don't know if taking abx will ultimately help. I'm not against drugs & people using them. For me, I just have a feeling that the infection is being pushed deeper into my system.
Plus, your body has to deal with fungal issues which deplete the immune system. It just makes it harder to fight everything else off. If anything, try some herbal protocols.
I'm not a doctor but this is just my decisions based on my experience.
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I just spoke with the owner at Elixa. He's not an MD but he's been selling electro-medical equipment for over 20 years.
He said that there are no double blind studies that indicate that pulsed light is any better than just using constant light. Many of these instruments say they have frequencies in the XXX Hz range but it's not really possible to cycle the LEDs at these rates.
Hz means "cycles per SECOND". You just can't get any effect by doing this since it takes time to turn the light on & off. If it says 80 Hz that means the light goes on & off 80 times in a second. I just don't see how that's possible to switch it on & off that fast.
The other issue is that it doesn't seem to have any better effect in healing. None of the "scientific" studies done have used pulsed light. The NASA study, etc. were all done with constant light.
So, whether the frequency of pulsed light actually does anything is really open to speculation. He said what matters is the light nanometer measurement (ie: 880nm, 660nm, etc.).
There are studies that validate that different lengths of light will effect different things based on the length.
Elixa sells a NIR array with 96 LEDs at 880 nm for $124 (The Bionic 880 has 84).
I'm not sure how this will work with the nosodes but I think it's worth a try.
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Unless Dr. Woitzel has a stake, personal or financial in Bionic 880, I'd suggest the best way to find out (if he's open to it) if other devices are similarly helpful, is to buy them and send them to him to try.
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Take care in using these. They are mainly used by experienced practicioners. I think you can just use them in the vials in conjunction with the LED treatment.
You place them on your body (the sternum, I think) & shine the LED on various points of your body. I posted the info prior. I'm not sure of the specifics of the potency, though.
You have to do some research.
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Thanks, GiGi, for your reply about the fuller consideration of coinfections. Your willingness to share detials of your journey is very much appreciated - it sure gives me hope.
``D'' potencies in Europe are the equivalent of ``X'' potencies in the USA. So, the USA (and probably U.K.) equivalent of the Bb nosodes would be: 5X, 6X, 8X, 10X, 12X, 15X, 30X, 60X, 100X and 200X.
Some of these potencies are a bit `odd' - not considered standard potencies - and extremely low for nosodes, and some of these potencies (5, 6, 8, 10, 60, and 100X) are NOT readily available from Remedia (the link Sparkle posted), and the potencies publicly listed at Ainsworths and Helios labs in London are very limited. That doesn't mean that these labs don't carry them or can't make them - just that they aren't on the public list.
GiGi also mentioned another Borrelia nosode that Dr. W. sometimes uses. I think it may have been Borrelia afzellii, but I cannot find that information in this thread. Nor can I find the name of the European lab where GiGi ordered her nosodes. I didn't think it was Remedia, but I'm just not sure.
GiGi, if you are still around...... could you either repost that information from the first thread, or at least provide the name of the `additional' nosode Dr. W. sometimes uses and the lab where you ordered your nosodes? Also, I'm assuming that the smallest quantity or size of the vial is adequate? I'd like to get this information saved for future reference. In fact, I may order the nosodes sooner rather than later just to make sure I have some while I can still get them. Regulations are becoming more restrictive.
One other question I have is whether or not these nosodes should be replaced periodically. I know that natural sunlight will destroy homeopathic remedies, and while infrared light is quite a bit different, it is possible that prolonged use of infrared light passing through these vials will somehow degrade the nosode.
Oh, Selma, I just saw your post. I'll have to re-read and respond later.
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GiGi if you haven't left yet, what should we order for the nosodes, like truthfinder, I'm just going to order them.
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: ... Many of these instruments say they have frequencies in the XXX Hz range but it's not really possible to cycle the LEDs at these rates...
Please let me jump in as these statement is misleading. If someone claims that you cannot pulse LED light at higher frequencies than s/he does not understand how simple remote controler works
Typically it uses frequencies of 36 to 56 thousands (kilo) Herz. So if your TV set is swithed on when you push your controller button that means infrared LED panel like one in Bionics can be pulsed at similar frequencies. In fact, it is possible with both higher and lower frequencies.
The biological effect of such a pulse is different story and there is no consensus as to that. It would be however against laws of quantum physics if it does not depend somehow on the frequency of the pulse.
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Thanks, Paulito. It's something that I really don't know much about & I'm going to do further research.
---PS - Is the tv remote a laser or LED? The man I spoke with said that there is a difference between laser pulsing & LEDs. Lasers are very inexpensive now. They make pointers & flashlights with lasers these days & you can get them in regular stores for $5-10.
One has to consider strobe lights that have been around for a while, as well... So, I don't really know what to think considering pulsed lights. I have to give it some further thought.
Also - thanks Truthfinder for the info regarding nosodes & dosages/potentcy. I found this info about the various systems they use for making them. Turns out there are different "styles" of creating homeopathic remedies.
You may have to search further for the info that you need. I'm just putting out what I find. I hope it gets people thinking & adding corrections or further research.
9. The ninth way of using a nosode is as a homoeopathic remedy made from the patient's own disease substances.
This is called the AUTO-NOSODE. This method has sometimes helped patients when nothing else seems to work.
Hahnemann once had a patient suffering from phthisis that was not responding to well chosen remedies.
This led him to prepare an auto-nosode made from the saliva of the patient. Auto-nosodes have been made from sputum, blood, urine, pus, leucorrhoea, exudates from skin eruptions, and microbes from cultures of the patient, etc.
This is often tried when nothing else works. Nevertheless, with observation homoeopaths should be able to develop the characteristic symptoms of the auto-nosodes.
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