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Xanthones are well known for their numerous and varied pharmacological effects, including having antioxidant, antimicrobial, central nervous system (CNS) depressant or stimulant, antihypertensive, antidiabetic, anticancer, anti-inflammatory, hepatoprotective, and/or immunomodulation properties.23
Xanthones used during the present study were isolated from Garcinia mangostana L. (mangosteen), a slow-growing tropical tree with edible fruits.21
Mangosteen is commonly refered to as the ``queen of fruits,'' prized for its delicious fruits and has been utilized in Southeast Asian traditional medicine for stomach ailments (pain, diarrhea, dysentery, ulcers), as well as to treat infections and wounds.25,26
Owing to their activity as potent antioxidants,21,27-29 some mangosteen-based botanical products are standardized to contain high levels of xanthones such as α- and γ-mangostin.
Mangosteen products have recently become one of the top-selling botanical dietary supplements in the U.S., and in 2005 represented the sixth-ranked single-herb dietary supplement with sales of over 120 million dollars, a substantial increase over the previous year.30
The results from the present study, including the testing of both mangosteen extracts and compounds, indicate that certain xanthones from mangosteen fruits act as potent aromatase inhibitors in both noncellular and cell-based AI assays, especially γ-mangostin (9).
Approximately two-thirds of post-menopausal women with breast cancer have the estrogen-dependent (hormone-dependent) form of this disease, in which estrogen is required for the growth of tumors.31
Because of their relatively high yield of xanthones such as α- and γ-mangostin (8 and 9) in the pericarp of G.mangostana,e.g.,21 mangosteen botanical dietary supplements may be acting as aromatase inhibitors, and might thus have a potential role in cancer chemoprevention for postmenopausal women with hormone-dependent breast cancer.
However, before a definitive role of the mangosteen xanthones in this regard can be ascertained, additional work will need to be performed, including evaluation of the in vitro aromatase inhibitory xanthone constituents in an appropriate in vivo model.
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I can't comment personally since I haven't tried it. Some people here say it's helpful.
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I've never tried it, but I have spent that much on many a bottle of various kinds of supplements.
Perhaps I should have my head examined, come to think of it!
I have amassed a small fortune's worth of stuff in my supplement "basket"!
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Not convinced. I have spiros swimming around in my eyeballs. I doubt they are going to quiver in fear of me drinking Mangosteen juice, but I bet they will crap themselves when I get a PICC line put in.
I just get fed up of people trying to make money out of the desperate. ****es me off. And we don't help by pushing these products for them.
I know for a fact that if I was one of these money hungry pigs I would be in every health chat room whaling about how great this product is and that product is.
Robin I don't know you from Adam so you could be their sales rep for all we know.
Don't get me wrong I use herbal treatments as well as abx but within reason. Andrographis, resvertrol etc.
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Desertcanyon, I know what your saying and it is hard to decide on what is worth spending your money on but at the end of the day it is 37$ for frickin fruit juice.
"In my opinion, what we have here is simply an overpriced fruit drink. Fruit drinks are often healthful beverages. But the only reason I can see that the promoters of mangosteen can get away with charging $37 for this product is that they are playing on patients' hopes and fears in a cynical way. Without the health claims, open or implied, the product could only be sold for at most $5 or $6 (which, for example, is the cost of antioxidant-rich pomegranate juice)".
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I agree- the juice is about the same as cranberry juice. But at $37 is too rich for me.
Also when people (and im in the group) who are ill and sometimes are desperate = will try anything including my favorite fix-- THE BIONIC 880. Sorry 880 fans this will make the out-list soon enough.
Also my mom has been working me about this wonder clinic in LA- The Holtrof Clinic. After review of their web site--- looks awsome and spoke to the clinic- great........ then went on line and asked friends for feedback and looked at other discussion board reviews.... and guess what
About 95% bad feedback from many credible people who spent the $10-50K and got no better. All or most people got the same "Custom' suplement blends and other hog-wash. In the end this Dr backed into lyme as the new disease dejour after spending a career bilking Fibro and CF people for big bucks.
In the end if it sounds too good to be true is normally is...
Will stick with my LLMD and abx.
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Louis Pasteur and Dr Burrascano were both ignored and chastised based on their patient and science driven ideals at times, too.
So.....why not put these juice people under the same microscope.....hell, everyone one of them....including the people that we may know know personally that have the highest character qualities known on this public board...that have also been asked about what antibiotics they take WITHOUT question....when they comment on the effects of those....they are taken as honest answers.
Yet...every once in a while a oin head like you comes in here and tries to destroy the hoesty and integrity of the most trusted people in the Lyme community.
Why don't you take you personal attacks somewhere else...in fact, I wonder if you aren't a paid internet wafter that is put out there to destroy and maim the character of other people in the nutritional and Lyme industry....may I see your background credentials....please.
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Robin works hard to help the Lyme community and educate the public on the disease and prevention. She is a true lyme advocate. She buys her juice from vitacost as she has posted before and is not a sales rep.
She has no reason to do anything but tell the truth about how the product helped her.
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Hmmmmm.
When I went to the site I was immediately directed to
An "apple" drink which boasts of the same if not better qualities....
I've been drinking Xango for about 17 months now.
My eyesight is definitely better.
After having the same near sighted issues for over 30 years (same Rx)
Imagine my suprise when told my sight abilities had improved.
I guess that each one of us has to make decisions based on
What we feel is best for each of us.
There are some alternatives or supplements posted on this site
That after careful research, I've declined to try.
Let the individual make up their own minds.
It is perfectly fine to post opposing points of view.
Just don't make a blanket statement about something you've never tried.
Or something that didn't work for you.
I don't.
Hugs,
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I'm all for hearing all points of view. Thats why I started the thread! ITS 37$ FOR FRICKIN FRUIT JUICE!!
And hcconn knows a conn when he sees it!! Fair play. And yes Bionic 880....Give me a break. With all the best LLMDS living over there in the US you are actually thinking about flying to Germany for this treatment. WAKEY WAKEY PEOPLE!
I tell you something if I spent 200 bucks on a box of juice or spent a fortune flying to see the wizard of oz in Germany I would be convinced it helped me too. No one likes to admit they have been had.
New members often post here desperate and lost and looking for guidance from experienced lyme victims. They are not always in the right state of mind to make the right treatment decisions. They might end up blowing hundreds of dollars on this kind of crap.
Lets stop discrediting ourselves with such threads and get serious. We are not doing the lyme movement any good. Mainstream medicine already thinks we are nuts as it is.
Geneal I am all for discussing topics but sometimes a spade is just a spade. I doubt Mangosteen is all you have been doing in the 17 months correct me if i'm wrong.
If you say your sight has improved then I am very happy for you.
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Trout your taking this to personaly.
Ah NMN
The difference between Ultra Mangosteen and other mangosteen products found on the market is that Ultra Mangosteen contains a potent, full spectrum complex of over 72 ionic trace minerals and elements from ConcenTrace�. This complex of bioavailable minerals supercharges our formula to help in the absorption and assimilation of all nutrients so you can attain the greatest health benefit possible.�
Highest ORAC�� Value--30,000! The reason Ultra Mangosteen is different from other mangosteen products is because of its unmatched ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity) score. The ORAC test is a laboratory test tube analysis that measures the total in vitro antioxidant power of foods. The higher the ORAC score, the greater the potential benefits because of the antioxidants that help defend against free radical damage to the cells. Recent research highlights the benefits of eating plenty of high-ORAC foods, citing that they may help support healthy aging in both body and brain.� By using a proprietary extraction process, Ultra Mangosteen contains the highest concentration of free radical-fighting xanthones �, which gives it the highest potency of antioxidants when compared to similar mangosteen products.
The Mangosteen The Mangosteen is a tropical fruit that grows on trees, and is cultivated in both the northern and southern hemispheres. It is composed of pericarp (rind), pulp (fruit), and seeds. The pulp is composed of four to eight white segments of juicy, soft flesh that is of the consistency of a ripe plum. The pericarp consists of a dark purple, smooth rind about 6-10 mm thick which encloses the pulp.
Ultra Mangosteen contains added fruit juice extracts and concentrates that possess important nutrients for better health.
Mangosteen Whole Fruit Extract--xanthones, catechins, polyphenols, polysaccharides, potassium, phosphorus, calcium, iron, and vitamins B1, B2, B6 and C.
Goji Berry Extract--rich in antioxidants, amino acids, polysaccharides, carotenoids, vitamins B1, B2, B6, C and E.
Pomegranate Concentrate--naturally rich in antioxidants, including polyphenols, tannins, punicalagin, anthocyanins and ellagic acid, which are members of the polyphenol family, they possess unmatched antioxidant fighting characteristics to promote healthy cardiovascular function and to reduce oxidative stress on the cells.�
Blueberry Concentrate--rich in antioxidants with a high ORAC�� value to help resist oxidative stress; good source of vitamin C, fiber; high in flavonoids called anthocyanosides. Anthocyanosides help in maintaining the integrity of blood vessels, as well as helping to stabilize collagen. They are also potent antioxidants.�
Cranberry Concentrate--vitamin C, Vitamin A, potassium, fiber and rich in flavonoids to promote healthy cardiovascular function as well as healthy urinary tract function.�
Lychee Concentrate--vitamin C, phosphorus and copper.
Grape Seed Extract--contains a concentrated source of oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPCs), a potent antioxidant 20 times more potent than vitamin C and 50 times more concentrated than vitamin E�; also rich in polyphenols.
Grape Skin Extract--a great source of oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPCs) (see Grape Seed Extract), vitamin C and bioflavonoids.
Red Grape Concentrate--vitamin C, manganese, fiber and potassium. Contains a bioflavanoid known as quercetin which works as an antioxidant to stimulate the immune system.�
Mixed Fruit Concentrate--Pear: vitamin C, copper, potassium; Peach: vitamin C, antioxidants, carotenoids and bioflavonoids; White Grape.
Trace minerals are great for lymies so are the antioxidents in both types of mangosteen products. Wont cure lyme but if you can afford it then buy it it has great properties.
I cant afford it right now so i wont be buying it. Thats not to say it isnt good any thing that has all those properties has to be good for . Cheap superantioxident is melatonin and I use rosehips vitamin C and B12 shots & magnesium and a one a day vitamin. Occasionally black cherry extract concentrate.
Now Robin Merck ScurvyRobinLink you may had a touch of scurvy lack oof vitamin c.Thats why it works for you and some of your symptoms could be pernacious anemia caused by lack of intrinsic factor that processes B12 in your Intestines ? or folic acid defficiency or all three.
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luvs2ride
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NMN,
Please don't come on here and try to save us. It looks like you have been onboard long enough to recall others who thought they had to be the lyme crusaders stomping out all illegitate forms of treatment (translated means alternative).
Problem is, they were not appreciated then and will not be appreciated now. Instead of helping others, they were reeking havoc on the board and eventually they were tossed off the board.
It is fine to state your negative experience with a treatment protocol, but not your negative opinion. Do not bash others who might still want to try the protocol nor intimidate anyone from trying the protocol because they would have to be crazy to do such a thing. That is called bullying and tends to drive others away from your cause rather than toward it.
Your opinion that newbies are too sick and gullible to make a sound choice is arrogant. You are not the perfect answer to anything.
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I don't know where you are buying your drink but we pay $25 a bottle and get two cases a month although I am getting ready to cut that back as my kids have moved out. My daughter used it for her acne. What a difference it made in her face.
It helps me with energy and believe it or not, after I was on it for 6 months, I had to stop my Heparin as my blood was getting too thin. I have no idea if the Xango was involved but nothing else had changed.
We bought my mother-in-law a box 3 years ago and she is a very skeptical person. She loves it and can now get up in the middle of the night without her walker. I don't think she has ever sold any to anybody. She just won't go without her Xango.
I don't sell it either - I just use it and love it.
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Hi luvs, Welcome to the discussion nice to see you too.
I think you are getting your knickers in a twist a bit. Sometimes you just have to put things in perspective. There is nothing wrong with an open mind as long as you use your common sense and keep your wits about you.
Since when do we have to try something to have an opinion on it? I don't have to stick my hand in a blender to know that it bloody hurts!
As for the newbies comment. Don't go implying I am insulting the newcomers when I quite clearly am not.
For gods sake if there was a treatment protocol to stick your head up a donkey's arse would you all have just positive comments about it. "Oh PM me and tell me how it goes" LOL Its not always rosie in the garden Luvs.
This is not a kindergarden where we all have to play nice all the time. I am voicing my opinion about a very suspect product and its as valid as anything else posted on here.
I help plenty on this board so don't go labelling me as some sort of non-conformist evil doer who needs to be turfed out. You sound like the bully here not me.
You make it sound like I am trying to start a revolution of something. Chill out.
Oh and by the way if anyone is flying to Germany for that treatment , make sure you get a flight that stops in Dublin so I can meet you at the airport and give you a slap! That invitation extends to you too luvs x
Hi Tree....dead right, give the trout a bash on the head there!
Thanks for the info but does it not say that anything over ORAC 5000 or so will just be expelled by the body as there is an antioxidant uptake limit.
"Not all antioxidants that are confirmed as present in the laboratory can be absorbed by human beings. And there is a limit to how much we can benefit from an increased intake of antioxidants.
According to Dr. Ronald Prior of the US Department of Agriculture Research Service at Tufts University, Boston, Massachusetts, "a significant increase in antioxidants of 15 to 20 percent is possible by increasing consumption of fruits and vegetables, particularly those high in ORAC value.
" However, in order to have a significant impact on plasma and tissue antioxidant capacity one can only meaningfully increase one's daily intake by 3,000 to 5,000 ORAC units.
Any greater amount is probably redundant. That is because the antioxidant capacity of the blood is tightly regulated, says Dr. Prior. Thus there is an upper limit to the benefit that can be derived from antioxidants.
Taking in 25,000 ORAC units at one time (as reputedly occurs with mangosteen) would be no more beneficial than taking in a fifth of that amount: the excess is simply excreted by the kidneys.
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Yep thats true but I was also talking about minerals and vitamins being absorbed people with lyme for any length of time are very depleted also by the abxs we take can interupt or even stop some nutrients from being in that case more is better and also must take delivery system into account. Sublingual is good if its high amounts of b12 thats just one example.
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I haven't tried Xango, but at my health food coop I was given a free bottle. So I am going to try it. I also ordered one Noni juice from the coop and it was $15 for 32 oz.
My husband picked up my script for antibiotics and it was $135 for 40 pills (20 days worth), that to me is ridiculous! I don't even know if I'm going to try them.
I've read of others being helped with mangosteen too, so I'll know once I try it.
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I doubt seriously that Dr Moss has never even tried mangosteen. I'm sure since he's such a skeptic, he's not been on it long enough to give it a good run.
I will NEVER be without my Xango. At least I pray I won't. It has saved my butt.
Because of it, I have
1. less pain 2. improved vision [documented] 3. less fatgiue 4. less brain fog 5. better gums 6. fewer headaches [now rare] 7. a healthier immune system
You're not talking ME out of it for any price. The anti-inflammatory effect is the big deal, NOT the huge anti-oxidant effect.
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You guys are all arguing about a JUICE! (with special vitamins/minerals that may help us, but who cares anyway???)
If someone gets results with the juice, then let them drink it and share their experiences. The $37 is nil compared to the tons of $$$ most of us have spent on more expensive and totally useless supplements, herbs, etc.
I doubt if any newbie is going to go broke trying a bottle of mangosteen.
As for the Bionic 880, that is an entirely different situation. I haven't done any research on it, but have heard that patients are coming back from Germany reporting miraculous improvement in just weeks. Only time will tell if these patients relapse.
But spending thousand of $$$ travelling across the world for expensive and experimental treatment is not comparable to trying a bottle of juice.
In fact this thread has convinced me to try the Mangosteen! Which product should I get and where should I order it?
My only concern about this juice is the sugars even just in the fruit. I am on abx and am doing my best to follow the yeast-prevention diet.
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Mangosteen is interesting and I've posted a URL in the past for the freeze dried version.
The problem with Xango is adding other fruit juices to maximize profits. It's obvious you get a bigger bottle, nice tasting juice, and its much less costly for them to make and much bigger profit margins. Period.
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Mangosteen: Responses to Dr. Ralph Moss's Article, "A Friendly Skeptic Looks at Mangosteen" Editor's note: the following letters were to sent to us in response to Dr. Ralph Moss's critical look at the alleged miracle fruit mangosteen. Since we make the critique available to our readers, it's only fair to publish some responses to it...
Tana Writes...
Iread the article on Mangosteen and was sad. If I'd read that article 9 months ago I would not be alive today. Read on ...
My Story is direct. I had an emergency surgery gone bad. I came out of anesthesia with only a tiny pouch for a stomach and 60 inches of small intestine. At the time I weighed 124# and am 5�3�� tall. Through the unnecessary damage and radical surgery (law suit pending) I was not able to eat or drink enough foods, liquids or even special nutritional products to stay alive. They dropped a line into my arm that ended at the top of my heart and fed me TPN to keep me going. I was house bound, couldn�t get away from the bathroom and other serious problems that I�ll not go into. Even with the TPN I was barely able to live.
Then the insurance Company decided they would no longer pay for the TPN and the line was pulled from my heart. I cashed; losing weight very rapidly. I quickly dropped to 104# and by this time was in extreme pain, falling down, walking into walls and experiencing advanced loss of cognitive abilities. I now needed 24 hr home care and no money for it. I tried everything the doctors, surgeons, specialists suggested. Also since I own a holistic healing center of course every possible course of holistic care was worked with.
Finally I had to accept that I was slowly starving to death. My poor husband, my best friend and love of my life felt so helpless. We bought burial plots, designed the headstone, made arrangements, etc. Then we went to have two weeks alone. That is when someone (a little angle) just happened to meet us, gave me Mangosteen Juice from XanGo and I started drinking 1/2 bottle a day (12 + oz) where I now know the average person would take only 2 to 3 ounces a day, more if needed.
Neither David nor I expected any results as it really had no way to stay in my system to be assimilated. BUT in a few days I got out of pain and fully knew who I was, where I was and most astounding was the decrease in pain. Every day got better and better and now I have my life back.
What did the Mangosteen from XanGo do? I�m not a doctor but later started researching and how and why it helped me fell into place. Each person is different, each situation is different. But my friends and family watched me go from the brink to life, most of them are now on mangosteen as well for a wide variety of issues. Thank goodness for my little angle and my willingness to try one more thing even though it `couldn�t have worked�.... Grin.
Just wanted to share my Xango experience with you ...
For approx 4 years I had severe him inflation and my doctor wanted to prescribe "Celebrex" which I took on few occassions when I could barely walk because of the pain ... Xango changed my life ... Didn't make a business out of it but today I can walk, I can run and I can even spend 2 hours at the gym working out without feeling that horrible pain ... Whenever we go in the Caribbeans I bring my juice ... 1/2 an ounce a day is all I need. Whenever I leave and forget my Xango, I come back home with the pain that's starting to build up. Maybe it's expensive but not as much as Celebrex and it doesn't ruin my stomach!!! My husband uses it because of joint pain after many years of free weights and he also sees a difference ...
So I would not completely tarnish Xango ... It is above all anti-inflammatory. If you take Xango and then take something else that kills those effects that you can't really say it's not working ... i.e. If you have cancer and take Xango and then keep smoking is that really the way to go??!!
After reading this article, I too was saddened and irritated to be reminded there are such negative and closed minded people, especially ones who have the title of Dr. in front of their names. I shouldn't be surprised; it has been our experience that doctors and prescription drugs go hand in hand. If you are a doctor and you go against the norm, I applaud you!
For those of you who are interested, here's my testimonial. My husband is an Iraqi Freedom veteran. While in Iraq he developed and suffered from bulging discs, PTSD, and asthma. As a result he was put on 2 types of inhalers, sleeping pills, several types of pain medicine, nerve pills, anti-depressants, anti-inflammatory, ladicane patches, cortisone shots, allergy medicine and a prescription for his asthma. The list goes on because all those medicines had to be "played" with, adjusted and in some cases changed because of side effects and the adverse reactions some of the medications had with each other. For months I watched him barely even get out of bed!
Two weeks before his 3rd cortisone shot (within a 4-month period of time), I was introduced to Xango. I immediately purchased the supplement and we both began drinking it 3 times a day. My husband improved enough within a 2 week period of time that he DID NOT have to go back for his 3rd shot and within a 3-month period of time had discontinued of the remainder of the prescriptions. The problems I had were gone and I discontinued my prescriptions within 1 week. Some of us are tired of taking medicine that never cure our ailments, but only mask them and give us side effects. Why should you take a prescription if you can get the same or better result from a food or in this case, juice? Thank you Dr. Templeman for the insight!!!
So while you attempt to discredit the supplement and the company that you know so little about, real people with real problems are benefiting from you're, loosely termed "overpriced juice". Xango is worth it's weight in gold! My husband and I feel great and we will never be without our Xango! If you haven't tried it, you are missing out! What's more, you aren't qualified to condemn it.
Xango doesn't make claims that the "juice" will work for everyone, nor do they say that it will cure, treat, or diagnose any disease. They simply say try it, we think you'll like what it does for you. They also say if it doesn't work for you, return your first shipment within 30 days and we'll refund the purchase price.
Xango found a way to bring a botanical that has benefited people for centuries to market. Say what you like about the product, the company, and multi-level marketing, but you really don't know until YOU know! If you haven't tried it, you can't give an educated opinion about it.
For the record, there are 1,155 articles on PubMed about Xanthones. Don't believe me, look it up at www.pubmed.com. Simply type Xanthones into the search engine.
I read your article on Xango's Mangosteen juice. My reason for trying the juice is because many pharmeuceuticals that were prescribed by a doctor I experienced the side effects. Refusing to take Lipitol because of high cholestrol of 264 I took Mangosteen and within three months my LDL went down to 130. I am 70 and had two very serious falls. One in which I hit my head on concrete, and the other I slipped on ice. When I hit my head my blood pressure went from 110/70 to 150/90. I went to the doctor and my nose was not broken but swollen because of the fall. It my age many people would have passed out. I began to take large doses of the Mangosteen juice and within one day the swelling around my eyes and nose decreased and the pain totally gone. When I slipped on the ice my left arm because of the way I fell twisted to the back and I thought I either broke or dislocated my shoulder. After taking x-rays and there was no breakage or dislocation, again I consumed large amounts of the Mangosteen juice.
Having perused the Health Article below by Ralph Moss, I delved into the section on Mangosteen. You have probably been inundated with testimonials about Xango, however I would like to add our experience, being as it deals with non-cancer.
My husband, Bill, has had 2 heart attacks, 3 stints, a 5 artery bypass, and a pacemaker, this over the last 16 years, He also has Diabetes and high blood pressure. Consequently he goes into the hospital for eccocardiograms almost yearly. The life expectancy of the male line in his family, both maternaly & paternaly has been in the low 70s.
2 years ago, March 2005, His pulse slowed down to the mid 30s, his insulin intake increased, and he just generally felt sh---. A friend, talked Bill into trying Xango, with the provision that if he didn't get any results within 30 days, he got full money back. Bill, being a sceptic, was not impressed and on day 28, he phoned to cancel the Xango. He did, however, have an appointment on the 29th of March to have an eccocardiogram. Having been a few times, he was on friendly terms with the technician, who told him, ordinarily he would not say anything to the patient, but would let the Doctor relay any info. However, he was amazed at the difference in my husbands heart functions, and said that the last time he had the test done, the technician was very concerned at the shape of Bills heart. He said " I don't know what medicine you are on, but don't stop, this is the best shape, I've seen your heart in, for years.
Bill did not mention Xango to the technician, but thinking overnight about the results and realizing that his pulse had returned to normal as well as his insulin intake being cut in half, he phoned and cancelled the cancellation.
Upon seeing his Doctor and mentioning Mangosteen, the Doctor, who is a South Asian, said that as a child, his mother used the Mangosteen rind as a poltice, with great effect and that he thought that Bill should continue to use it.
We are very active, golfing and ballroom dancing and Bill continues to enjoy life. As he puts it "The more you do, the more you can do"
He will celebrate his 82nd birthday come January. So we are in pretty good shape for the shape we are in. Xango works for us. Incidentally, I did a great deal of research into Xanthones, Mangosteen and any related material that I could find. Our sceptisism was overcome by results.
I do believe that the timing was perfect and it goes with my feeling that nothing is by accident in this Universe.
If you have managed to read all of this, I thank you. I also would like to complement you on your emails, Jokes, and introductions to many fine possibilities on life in general. Also thank you for Dr. Kim.
Tracey F. writes... The mangosteen article by Ralph Moss that you posted on your site saddens me. I have always been a fan of yours and am surprised that you thought this article credible. It is obvious that Moss is against MLM. He has never tested the product and he misquotes XanGo�� and Dr. Templeman. This has caused some people who might have benefited from drinking the juice to not give it a try.
This is about XanGo�. I would just like to tell you that I disagree with all of the things you say about the company. First, I don't see why you attack it so much when you have no idea of what you are talking about. Second, you attack it because they sell overpriced juice when you are selling some over priced crap. The last thing is that there aren't so many tests on this because the western world is just opening its eyes to this so don't be surprised if in the near future tests come out to bite you in the *** .
Regarding Dr. Moss's critique of XanGo� Mangosteen: whilst I agree that more scientific information needs to be made available and more clinical trials done, I must conclude that Dr. Moss has never actually used the product for any particular problem, nor experienced the complete cure of inflammatory bowel problems that I and another friend of mine experienced as a direct result of taking Mangosteen.
Within 4 days of taking XanGo� my problem, which had seen me hospitalized 3 times in 6 weeks, started to clear, and within a week I was again eating relatively normally. My friend who couldn't eat at all because of a huge tumor in her abdomen is now eating again, in a lot less pain and feeling a lot more positive about fighting her cancer.
In conclusion, skepticism is great, in its place, but no product should be "canned" without those doing the "canning" actually trying it, or having someone close to them try it on an actual problem. I receive Dr. Moss's newsletters regularly and have found many of his articles informative, however, if all "new" treatments are as summarily dismissed I can only say I am extremely disappointed.
Hello Doc, I recently started my wife on XanGo�. She has had a hip replacement two years ago and is otherwise quite arthritic. Three weeks onto XanGo� and I really notice a difference. We researched the heck out of this juice and naturally ran into your website. I too was bothered by the method of distribution, but when I checked with all of the other distributors of the juice, I found the price to be the same (4 bottle for $100).
When you said this on your site: "The price of their XanGo� mangosteen juice is currently $37 per bottle (or four for $100). You have to ask yourself: who on earth would pay that much for a bottle of fruit juice, no matter how delicious it might be?" you appear to have missed the point. The juice is not attractive because its a "bottle of fruit juice." It is attractive because of what it does.
Your site is dated. You might wish to take another look a this. Costco sells the stuff for $25 a bottle. So having it sold to me by network marketers is not a big deal, particularly since it comes right to my door.
The empirical evidence is growing. How about an update to your site?
Annette E. writes... I'm writing you in regards to your opinion on XanGo� juice.
You must not be a person that has ever been in horrible pain every day for years with no relief. You obviously have never tried XanGo� juice or you would know that it is for real and not hype!
I was trying to find a way out of life because I hurt so bad everyday. It had been going on for over 20 years. Headaches every day and migraine several times a month. Panic attacks also. Plus much more. I was given a bottle of XanGo� to try. I didn't believe in it one bit. But it was free so I did try it.
Within a week I was feeling a little better and hadn't had a headache of any kind all week. I had also kicked a drill bit that was attached to a drill. It was the size of my little finger. It poked a hole under my big toe! As soon as it quit throbbing it didn't hurt anymore not at all!
I know it sounds unbelievable but it is true! I would not believe it myself if it hadn't happened to me. That was when I decided to start taking it. I had to borrow money to do it.
I hadn't gotten the funds for 3 weeks after the bottle had been empty. That is when I knew exactly how much it had really helped! I was in horrible pain again headaches and migraines were back in full force. I was able to get back on and now I have been walking every night 3 miles or more WITHOUT PAIN!!!! You have no idea how great that is! I couldn't even walk a step without pain! I figured it would help me but not as much as it did!
I'm getting so much better I shocked my Doctor Big time! She still can't believe the changes in my health. Cholesterol has gone down. I was taking 7 pills a day now I don't take any and I still feel great! ...
Everyone is asking me about the juice just because the changes they have seen in me. People I never ever thought would try something like that are now taking it. They are having nothing but good results on it. I hope to hear from you soon. I will be glad to set you straight.
Annette E.
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Lymetoo, A little birdie told me you have major links to the company.
I was wondering when you would chime in. Welcome! Wow....quite a hefty post you got there. I'm off to bed. Night all.
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I tried a brand that wasn't Xango at the onset of my illness, and it didn't really do anything for me. However, it was quite tasty.
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quote:Originally posted by NMN: [QB] Lymetoo, A little birdie told me you have major links to the company.
Like anyone else who buys it every month, I signed up. Why not have it delivered directly to your door?
I'm proud of my affiliation with the company and the number of people I've helped with their health issues.
So fire away !
PS... Dr Moss wrote that garbage 4 1/2 yrs ago. He could learn a lot by trying the product.
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i don't care what it would cost....if it helped me, i'd buy it....
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NMN - maybe you are just looking for something to vent your anger over? What difference does it make if people want to try something that they may find helpful?
There's plenty of scientific studies about mangosteen published on PubMed. Seems that the hull of the mangosteen fruit has many beneficial properties.
I recently purchased some dried organic mangosteen powder that also contains the hull. I haven't received it, yet. It was about $25 or $30 for a pound. So, it's not a big expenditure. Someone here recommended it to me & this person doesn't sell it.
Seems for all the potential benefits - it's worth it. A pound will probably last me a year or at least several months.
Getting angry at people for treatments that they decide to use isn't of much benefit to the community. We are all different & have different manifestations of Lyme or other co-factors. What helps one person may not help another.
It's fine to have different opinions about treatments but it helps to be respectful towards everyone & the decisions they choose to make.
5 years from now, you don't know if you will change you mind in light of new scientific data about a drug, supplement, therapy, etc. So, it's best not to criticize people too harshly.
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I think that your posts are written in a way that is confrontational.
No Xango is not all I have done or all I take.
I also have not stuck my head in a donkey's behind either.
I think your choice of words whether coupled with a smiley face
Or a blinking eye, is very challenging.
What I am saying is that I didn't state my improvement with my vision
To make a "believer" out of you.
I don't need to.
At the end of the day other than God, I must live with whatever decisions I make.
Good or bad.
I hope that you never see me posting here belittling or challenging
Any others treatment protocols or lack thereof.
Just a gentle reminder that we are all here trying to get well.
Some of the members are well yet still dedicate their time to helping others get well.
I hope that whatever approach you are using, it is working for you.
Hugs,
Geneal
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Maybe it's like everything else. What works for one person may not work for the next.
I had better results eating raw organic honey.
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I agree. Tone it down. There's no reason to bat someone over the head to make a point. If you're sick for a long time, it's quite natural to be experimental in attitude and if that means sampling exotic fruit drinks then go for it.
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After reading this thread I too want to try some mangosteen. I do like eating the fresh fruit and I wish they sold it here in the USA.
Kathy what did the raw honey to for you? I like honey but have been avoiding it due to candida. I heard it is good to apply it for skin fungus but when I tried it was a sticky mess.
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Sorry that many got offended by my thoughts. However that is what healthy debate is all about.
There are some significant differences in freak science and some of these cures.
Mona Vie and some other special juices are sold ONLY through MLM. If I need to explain the pros and CON's of MLM then maybe you need mango. This is not backed by any real science, a Dr, a scientist, or even a trial and error inventor, or sick person. It was found by a TriAthlete who was immediately drawn to the MARKETING aspects and potential market for this product in the US.
Not that there is anything wrong with a Tri Athlete discovering a Miracle Cure- I too before Lyme was a Top distance swimmer and professional TriAthlete. Traveled all over raced everywhere, got paid, won prizes etc., but am surely unqualified to drink some juice and call it a cure for every aliment under the sun.
Good juice with Vit and Minerels would help anyone-- if they are not getting proper nutrition. There are also many simple solutions to gaining essential vit and min's without calling it a breakthrough cure.
As far as Jones, Burascano and a countless other list of mavericks I believe their actions involved a little more personal risk, better -- and they were not selling a PRODUCT for profit.
When MARKETING and potential profits outweighs substance- this is when I question peoples agenda. Also when claims can not make sence, or there is a mystery gap in what it does- i.e. Stimulates energy and healing Q (What does this actually mean or do?).
Also when Burascano and others start hocking Juice and Light Boxes I guess I will give in and buy.
I like alternative and out of the box thinking- but am not swayed by a few claims on a chat board.
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I drink organic green tea with raw organic honey. This is the first year in over 22 years that my immune system seems to be working again.
Maybe it's just that after three and a half years of treating Lyme I'm starting to get better.
For some reason I don't have any yeast issues with honey. I bake cookies with it and have never had any yeast problems with it. It really helps too if you have a cold.
Kathy
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I was very disappointed to see that Xango has sodium benzoate in it.
My tummy will not tolerate a preservative like sodium benzoate. And even if it did, with my rotten luck, my body would turn it into benzene immediately.
After seeing Robin's remarks on the Ultra Mangosteen some months ago, I bought of bottle. I haven't opened it yet but it's on my list of things to try.
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your all wrong!! It is a reality...I took mangosteen juice and it really really made the herx alot worse..I stopped the mangosteen juice and after a day the herx stopped..I think that mangosteen juice removes the inflamation and allows the antibiotic to hit its target..beware dont take to much or you will be very sorry and i do mean sorry..start slow...also it is true about white and green tea..it does really really make the antibiotic much more potent..and yes start at a low dose of antibiotics if you try white or green tea or you may over dose..this is all true so dont discredit others..be nice..
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Polar, Does it matter if the green tea is decaffinated? I like to use things in their natural state, but unfortunately my anxiety would go through the roof with caffiene.
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There are alot of vunerable, desparate people on this website that are very sick and will try anything they read if they think it will help.
I truly think that if someone wants to try a product that is wonderful. And if it helps, that is even more terrific.
But I dont want to be duped into buying products because people are getting a % of sales or getting a kickbacks.
I did some reading about Xango and they were warned by the FDA about making its health claims. There are other mangosteen juices out there.
I am not knocking Xango. But people should research any product, get documentation, compare its ingredients, and check with their doctor as well before buying any 'miracle product.'
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quote:Originally posted by hcconn22: [QB]Also when Burascano and others start hocking Juice and Light Boxes I guess I will give in and buy.
Many doctors sell it. So if Burrascano was selling it, you said you'd buy it??
No, then you would accuse him of profiting off of people.
Does he not sell supplements, as most LLMD's do?
[I realize he no longer is in practice... just hypothetical.]
PS.. no one is trying to SELL anything here... NMH started this.
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Quote: I did some reading about Xango and they were warned by the FDA about making its health claims. There are other mangosteen juices out there. End Quote:
Another poster said once that the FDA was founded to protect big business.
Me thinks that was a very wise poster.
I'm with you guys! Pass the mangosteen juice. This thread has sparked my interest. Luvs
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There's a big difference between flying to Germany and trying a bottle of fruit juice. At worst, you try one bottle and you're out $36. You won this time marketing!
C'mon! There are better targets for ridicule than weird tasting fruit juice.
If lyme and associated diseases were clear cut, there'd be no need for this board, LLMDs, or exotic concoctions.
I've seen enough lazy doctors to know that the scientific community doesn't have the monopoly on good information.
Self-education is a good thing, and part of learning is buying fruit juice that may not work. However, there's a fair chance the juice may do more than magic crystals
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Still, Bryan Rosner devoted a whole chapter
in his book on the Top Ten Lyme Disease Treatments
On the merits and benefits of mangosteen juice.
My neighbor and I were looking at it tonight.
He doesn't work for Xango either.
Just a thought.
Hugs,
Geneal
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Thanks for starting this thread as it has sparked an interest and I am going to try this juice.
I have been drinking a lot of ginger tea and green tea lately and really like the way it makes me feel.
I have also been thinking of adding organic honey to the green tea as well. This thread addressed that as well, so thank you too!
The Mangosteen juice sounds very interesting and I would love to see what it does for me.
Honestly, I don't think $25 for a bottle of juice that will last a while is all that bad.
After all, I used to put down $8 dollar cocktails at the piano bar and that was not including the tip. And believe me, I could put down more than one in a night. Talk about wasting money.
I kind of look at this disease like a war. I am going to do anything and everything to kill this sucker. Perhaps for some their arsenal includes Mangosteen.
If the juice can help me get there, than sign me up. If it does nothing than at least I was putting something good into my body.
Cheers! Elizabeth
PS I have been thinking of buying a lightworks too!!!!!
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white tea either decafe or regular..my choice toa..that is the brand and you can get it at startbucks..dont take this tea all at once..try about 2 ounces and then see how you react..you dont want to make the antibiotics so powerful that you get unwanted side effects..mostly for those on biaxin or zithromax.. it is said and is known that while drinking tea and taking antibiotics that you will increase the killing by 99 percent..so dr b recommends that we drink it all day..but that is up to you..
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i'm interested in trying mangosteen juice, however i'm with fuzzyslippers. i won't drink anything with sodium benzoate in it. yuck.
can anyone recommend a brand without preservatives?
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I see this thread has turned into a Mangosteen add as predicted.
The reason I posted the article was to highlight that Xango have very little scientific evidence to have the cheek to charge that amount for their juice.
America should be re-named "The land of opportunists"
I would not pay much attention the FDA either. They serve no intrests but their own and are as crooked as scholiosis.
Maybe lymetoo can send out a few samples to fellow board members so they can bask in mangosteens healing glory.
"Not selling anything" Give me a break! Your first post says otherwise. I did not see you deny you are affiliated with them either.
I don't doubt the juice is good for you but the price is just taking the **** and that is that.
Knock yourselves out.
I hope you all find health soon.
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It's just mangosteen & the outer hull which is supposed to be beneficial - no additives. A pound of the powder was $23. You only take 2 tsp a day.... probably less for us Lymies.
They also sell green tea, honey & a bunch of other interesting fruit products & stuff.
I haven't received it, yet, so I don't know if it's effective.
I DO NOT MAKE MONEY FROM SALES OF THIS PRODUCT.
I just found it, myself, on the internet through Google. Someone said to me a few days ago that the powdered mangosteen is beneficial so I figured I'd give it a try.
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I tried this, but ONLY because it came with a money back guarantee. Tasted good but that's about it.
I wonder how many links down the MLM chain for it to cost so much.
It was only when my doc prescribed the proper anti-infectives that I recently noticed improvement.
If ya'll want, I have some tree bark extract that can be made into a soup for sale. According to legend, it's supposed to be very beneficial for every ailment. Just a tad harsh to keep down though.
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Wow NMN!! You sure have Lymetoo pegged, don't ya? I guess that's why she has 40,000 posts, huh? It's all a giant smokescreen so she can really sell mangosteen ...sheesh! Get a life...
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Hi Lauren, I think with 40,000 posts she can speak for herself.
Conflicts of interest are a serious issue. What do you think the IDSA was disbanded for?
I have a problem with that and so should you. Get a life yourself !
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Yes green tea is an excellent choice liesandmorelies.
It has been used for thousands of years and has many studies done on its beneficial antioxidant and healing qualities.
There was also a recent study suggestion it improves antibiotics effectiveness.
I am in China and have been able to drink some excellent ones daily.
Mangosteen just seemed to come out of nowhere. A test tube test forged in a lab to give it some sort of scientific credibility.
Google green tea. andrographis, resvertral etc and you will get dozens of studies done from all over the world.
It stinks
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Conflicts of interest?! Are you serious? TuTu isn't writing a bunch of BS in medical journals that doctors base life and death decisions on - she's a beloved member of a SUPPORT forum - BIG difference.
How dare you compare her sharing her experience with Xango on Lymenet to the IDSA and their ties to insurance comapnies! That's a load of crap and a really low blow and you know it!
The only one who seems to have an agenda here is you. Care to fess up?
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FYI: For everyone wondering about Mangosteen....
I just wanted to copy this from the site of Bryan Rosner's book. This is the Index from the book. It clearly lists Mangosteen. In fact not only is it talked about, but there is a whole chapter beginning on page 247(Chapter 7)on Mangosteen!!!!!!
Don't mean to bore you all, but here is the whole Index. This book covers quite a bit of material and NO, I do not work for or profit from recommending this book.
Elizabeth
Here's the Index from the book!!!!
Foreword by James Schaller, M.D. 1
Preface: The Lyme Chronicles 5
Roadmap of this book 11
Information for the reader 13
Early-stage (acute) vs. late-stage (chronic) Lyme Disease 13
The Lyme community: Your greatest asset 14
Lyme Disease and rife machines 17
The ``herx reaction'' and other vernacular terminology 19
What is (and is not) in this book 20
The internet: A double-edged sword 22
Bryan Rosner's Lyme Disease E-Newsletter 23
Introduction: Welcome to the world of Lyme Disease 25
Medical freedom and how it impacts you 25
What is Lyme Disease and why are new treatments needed? 31
Obstacles in diagnosis 32
Obstacles in treatment 36
Conventional vs. alternative medicine 39
It's time to shift your paradigm 42
The best treatment of the 10 44
Time: The treatment of all treatments 50
Is there hope for someone with chronic Lyme Disease? 54
The pill panacea 56
PART I: THE 5 CORE TREATMENT PROTOCOLS
Introduction to the five core treatment protocols 60
Chapter 1: The antibiotic rotation protocol 63
Introduction to rational antibiotic use 63
How to use the Antibiotic Rotation Protocol 70
Principle # 1: Every antibiotic has a short time frame of effectiveness 72
Principle # 2: Breaks must be taken between courses of antibiotics 73
Principle # 3: Rife machine therapy is used during breaks from antibiotics 73
Principle # 4: A new antibiotic should be used for each round of treatment 75
Principle # 5: Adjunctive therapies can increase the effectiveness of antibiotics 77
Principle # 6: Antibiotic use must be spread out over a long period of time 77
Pharmaceutical antibiotics 79
Cell wall inhibitors 80
Protein synthesis inhibitors 83
Macrolides, lincosamides, and ketolides 83
Tetracyclines 84
Cyst-targeting drugs 85
Antibiotic summary chart 86
Intravenous antibiotics 87
Non-pharmaceutical antibiotics 88
Colloidal silver (CS) 88
T.O.A.-free cats claw 90
Olive leaf extract 92
Teasel root extract 93
Sarsaparilla officinalis 93
Grapefruit seed extract 94
Lauricidin� 94
Mangosteen 95
Systemic enzyme supplementation 95
Stephen Buhner's Lyme Protocol 95
Chapter 2: The Marshall Protocol 97
Preface and disclaimer 97
Introduction to the Marshall Protocol 98
The answer to many incurable, idiopathic diseases 102
Marshall Protocol principles 105
Vitamin D dysregulation 105
Amplified effect of antibiotics 112
Marshall Protocol components 114
Correcting Vitamin D levels 114
Reducing exposure to sunlight and artificial bright lights 114
Avoiding Vitamin D sources in food and supplements 116
Benicar lowers Vitamin D levels and weakens the bacteria 117
Antibiotics 119
My experience with and commentary on the modified Marshall Protocol 121
Trial and error vs. laboratory testing 131
Rife machines vs. the Marshall Protocol 132
A final word 132
Chapter 3: The Salt / Vitamin C protocol 133
A new discovery 133
Interest in the protocol broadens 134
The first explanation of why it works 136
How is the protocol used? 138
Chapter 4: Detoxification 141
A toxic world 141
The Lyme Disease toxin 146
The liver as a detoxification organ 148
The liver detoxification pathway 149
Liver detoxification therapies 151
The cleansing laxative 151
The Hulda Clark liver cleanse 153
The Shoemaker Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol 156
Diet, nutrition, and supplementation 160
The skin as a detoxification organ 160
The skin detoxification pathway 161
Skin detoxification therapies 163
Sauna therapy 163
-What is a sauna? 164
-Traditional saunas 165
-Far infrared radiation saunas (FIR saunas) 165
-Moisture and steam in the sauna 167
-Ozone saunas 168
-Sauna building materials 170
The epsom salt bath 171
Additional detoxification therapies 173
Detoxification supplements 173
Milk thistle (silymarin) 174
Alkalizing minerals 176
Mercury detoxification 179
Mercury and Lyme Disease: Partners in the destruction of your health 180
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With all due respect to Bryan, he is a Real Estate agent and his treatment recommendations are based on personal experience and hearsay.
He was one to recommend Rife early as a Guinea Pig and that has helped many get better. The same cannot be said for Xango.
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I am not at all saying that Mangosteen is a must have for all of us. All I am saying is that for some people it seems to have some great benefits.
I am sorry if it did not work well for you.
Regarding Bryan, I am not suggesting that Bryan's claims are 100% correct. I am just saying that he believes that when Mangosteen is used in conjuction with other things, the synergistic component can work well for Lyme Patients.
I would also like to point out that much of what I have learned along the way has come from everyday ppl on this site. Point being, that I have learned more from my fellow Lyme friends here than from the vast numbers of professional doctors that I have frequented through the last couple of years(with the exception of my LLMD who is awesome)!!!!! So, perhaps Bryan is a Real Estate Agent, but that does not change the fact that what he has experienced has not been real, nor does it change the fact that he may be offering real sound advice.
I also loved Pam Weintraub's book and she was a writer, not a doctor.
Peace, Elizabeth
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NMN if you are stopping off in any countries or places that have fresh mangosteens can you get me some? I don't care about their healing properties I just love the taste.
Maybe you can rob a mangosteen cart for me on a almost deserted beach. Point towards the water and scream shark or tsunami in the local language and then run off as fast as you can with ALL the mangosteens.
Thank you in advance! If you can ship them next day air that would be good too.
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You know what they say in Singapore never steal mangosteens while chewing gum or they will flog you for twice as long :-)
I want the fresh mangosteens minus the preservatives in Xango. I don't find multi level marketing juice appealing at all but I would try the one without preservatives that anyone can buy online. If I had my wish it would be a daily endless supply of fresh mangosteens.
Could I be homesick for Asia now that the weather is getting cold here? Nothing like drinking fresh coconut water on the beach after a few hours of boogie boarding in warm tropical water and then moving on to a pile of mangosteens.
The hotel I use to live in had a no mangosteen policy. I don't know why because they do not stink like a durian but maybe it was for ant control. Of course that did not stop me from smuggling them in.
What the heck are you doing in Asia other than making waves on a Lyme forum?
I will wire you the dollar. I have not had a mangosteen since 2005.
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First of all, I know different things work for different people. We can only say what works for us.
Erica - in answer to your question about what versions have less sugar, I think Xango has low sugar. The Mango-xan version lists 2g sugar as compared to 6g sugar in the Ultra.
I drink a Mango-xan bottle once in a while as a break from the Ultra. But I get more noticeable health benefits from the Ultra, probably due to the 72 minerals added to it, which hardens my nails, meaning it's mineralizing the bod.
Polar - so true about going slow. The juice was so powerful at first - blew my socks off for the first couple days - so yes, go slow, drink a lot of water when you first start.
Heiwalove and Fuzzy - the Ultra version states no added preservatives.
I order mine through Vitacost for around $16/bottle, which lasts me around 10 days. That's about $1.60/day to save my eyesight, gums and intestines. The price of a cup of coffee. I haven't yet found anything to compare.
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Robin does the Ultra version taste good and how much should one start with per day? Maybe it would give me enough energy to get a new passport and go to Germany for treatment.
For anyone who wants to poo poo the Bionic 880 go right ahead it just means less people to have to fight for space when booking an office visit with Dr. W.
I think the LLMDs in the USA are great and we are lucky to have them but I would much rather be treated by a European MD who has an understand of homeopathy as well as Western medicine and uses energy testing as well and can adjust one's spine.
I was speaking with an local Austrian MD/homeopath/chiro on the phone today whose number and name I am keeping well hidden from Scott F. and his Rock Star hall of fame. She was saying how the doctors in Germany have much more training in Germany then in the USA because they are required to study more then just Western medicine and how $7,000. is very reasonable for a German machine.
After being a patient of hers and getting much more out of her then most MDs trained in the USA I would have to agree. Give me a European trained MD any day. They know how to look at the complete patient and picture and after studying homeopathy they certainly know what questions to ask to figure out your past history and what is going on with you. They take the time to read your chart rather than ask you what meds they put you on last time.
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Hi Angelica - yes, I think it tastes good - besides the mangosteen extracts, it lists extracts of goji, grape seed and grape skin; and concentrates of pomegranate, blueberry, cranberry, lychee, red grape and mixed fruit.
I'd say only do a little bit at a time in the beginning, drink a lot of water, and see how your body responds.
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Thanks Robin. I plan to order some tomorrow or I should say when I wake up. Lychee is excellent for the liver and my liver currently needs help.
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Again I don't like repeating myself, she can speak for herself.
On top of that you are trying to defer attention away from my very valid point by suggesting I have some sort of agenda. Your trying to start a witch hunt and get the moderators attention. Pretty pathetic effort.
The IDSA comment was me trying to put conflict of interest into a model you can understand. Its the principle.
If I came in here telling everyone how wonderful a product was and then I told you at the end that I was a sales rep for them. Would my statement still have the same credibility? I think not.
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Synthesis and antimycobacterial assay of some xanthone derivatives.Szkaradek N, Stachura K, Waszkielewicz AM, Cegła M, Szneler E, Marona H. Department of Technology and Biotechnology of Drugs, Faculty of Pharmacy, Jagiellonian University, Medical College, Cracow, Poland.
A series of some derivatives of 2-xanthone was synthesized and evaluated for their activity against M. tuberculosis in primary and/or secondary microbiological assays. The cytotoxic activity of some compounds was also evaluated. The most active compounds were: [I] 2-(2-(4-(2-(4-chloro-3-methylphenoxy)ethyl)piperazin-1-yl)ethoxy)-9H-xanthen-9-one, [III] 2-((4-(2-(4-chlor-3-methylphenoxy)ethyl)piperazin-1-yl)methyl)-9H-xanthen-9-one dihydrochloride and [XVIII] ethyl 4-(2-hydroxy-3-(9-oxo-9H-xanthen-2-yloxy)propyl) piperazine-1-carboxylate, which displayed 98%, 98% and 94% inhibition of M. tuberculosis growth, respectively. Furthermore, compounds III and XVIII revealed their cytotoxic activity (SI < 1). Other structures varied greatly in their anti M. tuberculosis activity, however, several trends in their structure in relation to their antituberculous activity have been observed.
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Cardioprotective effect of alpha-mangostin, a xanthone derivative from mangosteen on tissue defense system against isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction in rats.Devi Sampath P, Vijayaraghavan K. Centre for Advanced Studies in Botany, University of Madras, Guindy Campus, Chennai, India.
Increased oxidative stress and antioxidant deficit have been suggested to play a major role in isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction. The present study was designed to evaluate the effect of alpha-mangostin on the antioxidant defense system and lipid peroxidation against isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction in rats. Induction of rats with ISO (150 mg/kg body weight, ip) for 2 days resulted in a marked elevation in lipid peroxidation, serum marker enzymes (LDH, CPK, GOT, and GPT) and a significant decrease in the activities of endogenous antioxidants (SOD, CAT, GPx, GST, and GSH). Pre-treatment with alpha-mangostin (200 mg/kg of body weight per day) orally for 6 days prior to the ISO administration and 2 days along with ISO administration significantly attenuated these changes when compared to the individual treatment groups. These findings indicate the protective effect of alpha-mangostin on lipid peroxidation and antioxidant tissue defense system during ISO-induced myocardial infarction in rats.
Xanthones with quinone reductase-inducing activity from the fruits of Garcinia mangostana (Mangosteen).Chin YW, Jung HA, Chai H, Keller WJ, Kinghorn AD. Division of Medicinal Chemistry and Pharmacognosy, College of Pharmacy, The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH 43210, USA.
Bioactivity-guided fractionation of a dichloromethane-soluble extract of Garcinia mangostana fruits has led to the isolation and identification of five compounds, including two xanthones, 1,2-dihydro-1,8,10-trihydroxy-2-(2-hydroxypropan-2-yl)-9-(3-methylbut-2-enyl)furo[3,2-a]xanthen-11-one (1) and 6-deoxy-7-demethylmangostanin (2), along with three known compounds, 1,3,7-trihydroxy-2,8-di-(3-methylbut-2-enyl)xanthone (3), mangostanin (4), and alpha-mangostin (5). The structures of compounds 1 and 2 were determined from analysis of their spectroscopic data. All isolated compounds in the present study together with eleven other compounds previously isolated from the pericarp of mangosteen, were tested in an in vitro quinone reductase-induction assay using murine hepatoma cells (Hepa 1c1c7) and an in vitro hydroxyl radical antioxidant assay. Of these, compounds 1-4 induced quinone reductase (concentration to double enzyme induction, 0.68-2.2microg/mL) in Hepa 1c1c7 cells and gamma-mangostin (6) exhibited hydroxyl radical-scavenging activity (IC50, 0.20microg/mL).
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Polar, Thanks for the clarification on the tea, I appreciate it. I'm going to get some decaf and look forward to drinking something other than herbal tea!
Since Shmangosteen has 400 billion times the amount of bioflavinoids, phytonutrients and vitamins that noni, Rechts Regulat or Mangosteen, where can I buy it?!
In the meantime, Rechts Regulat and Noni are doing wonders for me. I'll comment more on some other Bat Channel.
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I looked into this Mangosteen a while ago and the health claims made by websites and people on here put me off it. I've seen people on here claim that it cures cancer. I mean, come on... seriously!
I think people need to look at this sensibly.
There is very little scientific evidence.
The health benefit claims and cures are absolutely ridiculous.
The price of Mangosteen is criminal.
It does not cure Lyme.
Some people here on Lymenet are affiliated with Xango and make profits from selling it to sick people.Posts: 263 | From UK | Registered: Mar 2006
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The reason I posted the article was to highlight that Xango have very little scientific evidence to have the cheek to charge that amount for their juice. First of all, you have the wrong price. Check any Xango site and you will see that it is $25. As for "little scientific evidence, just go park yourself in PubMed and keep pulling up research articles by plugging in "Mangosteen+xanthones"
America should be re-named "The land of opportunists" I'm not going to sit back and watch you bash a product I love.
Maybe lymetoo can send out a few samples to fellow board members so they can bask in mangosteens healing glory.
Sorry, no handouts. I didn't get one. I have no "extra" money floating around.
I don't doubt the juice is good for you but the price is just taking the **** and that is that.
Knock yourselves out.
The last sentence says a lot about you and your motives.
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Chris,
Any healthy food will help prevent and help cure cancer. Cruciferous vegetables are famous for their cancer fighting abilities. It is known that cruciferous veggies promote the body's production of glutathione and this is one suspected reason of why it reduces the risks of cancer.
Vitamin D has been shown to cut cancer risks by 60%.
Everyone knows or should know by now that anti-oxidents fight free radicals which cause cancer.
Cancer is literally a disease of malnutrition. Most americans are obese and malnutritioned. We are eating fake, dead, poisonous foods.
So if Mangosteen or any other juice has anti-oxidants in it; then sure, it is going to help prevent and/or cure cancer.
BTW, refined white sugar feeds cancer as does fats. So enjoy that doughnut and the chemo that will surely have to follow after too much consumption of the Standard American Diet.
Duh!
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this type of post always brings out the best and worst in people. i figure these are "gotcha" questions, because nobody wins and it just causes discord....
so if i want to spend my money on xango, noni, or snake oil and i feel it helps me, then i'm bloody well going to....it's MY money and MY body...
so what's the problem....
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I often wonder at times if the simplest cures for our disease(and other diseases) will end up being things like Mangosteen and FIR treatments etc....
You talk about oppurtunistic...
In a hundred years from now, it would not shock me if the thing that has cured Lyme were the simpler things like the Bionic 880 or special combinations of juices etc...
My point being that it seems to me that the real "oppurtunists" are the drug companies as proof by the IDSA panelists. Don't get me wrong, I do believe ABX play a role in our disease, but big Pharm wants to keep a tight reign on their position regarding our health care.
I also think as the "proof in the pudding" is revealed regardless of whether it's the Bionic 880 or something else, you will see a huge surge of those products being incorporated into mainstream practices here in the US and elsewhere.
Because, as we all know the bottom line is the bottom line and the powers that be will finally cave in as to not want to miss out on the "oppurtunity" to make money.
For now, Big Pharm has its hold, but as business moves elsewhere that will change. Believe you me, they are not going to like the massess leaving the country to go to Germany when the money could be coming into their own pockets. This is basic economics.
I think the powers above already know so much more than we do about curing Lyme and other things too.(funny that they were already using things like lightworks for the astronauts years ago)....
They also know if the cat got out of the bag, it would be economical suicide for the big industry's that love keeping us dumbed down.
Just my thoughts.
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