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Wow NMN!! You sure have Lymetoo pegged, don't ya? I guess that's why she has 40,000 posts, huh? It's all a giant smokescreen so she can really sell mangosteen ...sheesh! Get a life...
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Hi Lauren, I think with 40,000 posts she can speak for herself.
Conflicts of interest are a serious issue. What do you think the IDSA was disbanded for?
I have a problem with that and so should you. Get a life yourself !
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Yes green tea is an excellent choice liesandmorelies.
It has been used for thousands of years and has many studies done on its beneficial antioxidant and healing qualities.
There was also a recent study suggestion it improves antibiotics effectiveness.
I am in China and have been able to drink some excellent ones daily.
Mangosteen just seemed to come out of nowhere. A test tube test forged in a lab to give it some sort of scientific credibility.
Google green tea. andrographis, resvertral etc and you will get dozens of studies done from all over the world.
It stinks
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Conflicts of interest?! Are you serious? TuTu isn't writing a bunch of BS in medical journals that doctors base life and death decisions on - she's a beloved member of a SUPPORT forum - BIG difference.
How dare you compare her sharing her experience with Xango on Lymenet to the IDSA and their ties to insurance comapnies! That's a load of crap and a really low blow and you know it!
The only one who seems to have an agenda here is you. Care to fess up?
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FYI: For everyone wondering about Mangosteen....
I just wanted to copy this from the site of Bryan Rosner's book. This is the Index from the book. It clearly lists Mangosteen. In fact not only is it talked about, but there is a whole chapter beginning on page 247(Chapter 7)on Mangosteen!!!!!!
Don't mean to bore you all, but here is the whole Index. This book covers quite a bit of material and NO, I do not work for or profit from recommending this book.
Elizabeth
Here's the Index from the book!!!!
Foreword by James Schaller, M.D. 1
Preface: The Lyme Chronicles 5
Roadmap of this book 11
Information for the reader 13
Early-stage (acute) vs. late-stage (chronic) Lyme Disease 13
The Lyme community: Your greatest asset 14
Lyme Disease and rife machines 17
The ``herx reaction'' and other vernacular terminology 19
What is (and is not) in this book 20
The internet: A double-edged sword 22
Bryan Rosner's Lyme Disease E-Newsletter 23
Introduction: Welcome to the world of Lyme Disease 25
Medical freedom and how it impacts you 25
What is Lyme Disease and why are new treatments needed? 31
Obstacles in diagnosis 32
Obstacles in treatment 36
Conventional vs. alternative medicine 39
It's time to shift your paradigm 42
The best treatment of the 10 44
Time: The treatment of all treatments 50
Is there hope for someone with chronic Lyme Disease? 54
The pill panacea 56
PART I: THE 5 CORE TREATMENT PROTOCOLS
Introduction to the five core treatment protocols 60
Chapter 1: The antibiotic rotation protocol 63
Introduction to rational antibiotic use 63
How to use the Antibiotic Rotation Protocol 70
Principle # 1: Every antibiotic has a short time frame of effectiveness 72
Principle # 2: Breaks must be taken between courses of antibiotics 73
Principle # 3: Rife machine therapy is used during breaks from antibiotics 73
Principle # 4: A new antibiotic should be used for each round of treatment 75
Principle # 5: Adjunctive therapies can increase the effectiveness of antibiotics 77
Principle # 6: Antibiotic use must be spread out over a long period of time 77
Pharmaceutical antibiotics 79
Cell wall inhibitors 80
Protein synthesis inhibitors 83
Macrolides, lincosamides, and ketolides 83
Tetracyclines 84
Cyst-targeting drugs 85
Antibiotic summary chart 86
Intravenous antibiotics 87
Non-pharmaceutical antibiotics 88
Colloidal silver (CS) 88
T.O.A.-free cats claw 90
Olive leaf extract 92
Teasel root extract 93
Sarsaparilla officinalis 93
Grapefruit seed extract 94
Lauricidin� 94
Mangosteen 95
Systemic enzyme supplementation 95
Stephen Buhner's Lyme Protocol 95
Chapter 2: The Marshall Protocol 97
Preface and disclaimer 97
Introduction to the Marshall Protocol 98
The answer to many incurable, idiopathic diseases 102
Marshall Protocol principles 105
Vitamin D dysregulation 105
Amplified effect of antibiotics 112
Marshall Protocol components 114
Correcting Vitamin D levels 114
Reducing exposure to sunlight and artificial bright lights 114
Avoiding Vitamin D sources in food and supplements 116
Benicar lowers Vitamin D levels and weakens the bacteria 117
Antibiotics 119
My experience with and commentary on the modified Marshall Protocol 121
Trial and error vs. laboratory testing 131
Rife machines vs. the Marshall Protocol 132
A final word 132
Chapter 3: The Salt / Vitamin C protocol 133
A new discovery 133
Interest in the protocol broadens 134
The first explanation of why it works 136
How is the protocol used? 138
Chapter 4: Detoxification 141
A toxic world 141
The Lyme Disease toxin 146
The liver as a detoxification organ 148
The liver detoxification pathway 149
Liver detoxification therapies 151
The cleansing laxative 151
The Hulda Clark liver cleanse 153
The Shoemaker Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol 156
Diet, nutrition, and supplementation 160
The skin as a detoxification organ 160
The skin detoxification pathway 161
Skin detoxification therapies 163
Sauna therapy 163
-What is a sauna? 164
-Traditional saunas 165
-Far infrared radiation saunas (FIR saunas) 165
-Moisture and steam in the sauna 167
-Ozone saunas 168
-Sauna building materials 170
The epsom salt bath 171
Additional detoxification therapies 173
Detoxification supplements 173
Milk thistle (silymarin) 174
Alkalizing minerals 176
Mercury detoxification 179
Mercury and Lyme Disease: Partners in the destruction of your health 180
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With all due respect to Bryan, he is a Real Estate agent and his treatment recommendations are based on personal experience and hearsay.
He was one to recommend Rife early as a Guinea Pig and that has helped many get better. The same cannot be said for Xango.
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I am not at all saying that Mangosteen is a must have for all of us. All I am saying is that for some people it seems to have some great benefits.
I am sorry if it did not work well for you.
Regarding Bryan, I am not suggesting that Bryan's claims are 100% correct. I am just saying that he believes that when Mangosteen is used in conjuction with other things, the synergistic component can work well for Lyme Patients.
I would also like to point out that much of what I have learned along the way has come from everyday ppl on this site. Point being, that I have learned more from my fellow Lyme friends here than from the vast numbers of professional doctors that I have frequented through the last couple of years(with the exception of my LLMD who is awesome)!!!!! So, perhaps Bryan is a Real Estate Agent, but that does not change the fact that what he has experienced has not been real, nor does it change the fact that he may be offering real sound advice.
I also loved Pam Weintraub's book and she was a writer, not a doctor.
Peace, Elizabeth
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NMN if you are stopping off in any countries or places that have fresh mangosteens can you get me some? I don't care about their healing properties I just love the taste.
Maybe you can rob a mangosteen cart for me on a almost deserted beach. Point towards the water and scream shark or tsunami in the local language and then run off as fast as you can with ALL the mangosteens.
Thank you in advance! If you can ship them next day air that would be good too.
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You know what they say in Singapore never steal mangosteens while chewing gum or they will flog you for twice as long :-)
I want the fresh mangosteens minus the preservatives in Xango. I don't find multi level marketing juice appealing at all but I would try the one without preservatives that anyone can buy online. If I had my wish it would be a daily endless supply of fresh mangosteens.
Could I be homesick for Asia now that the weather is getting cold here? Nothing like drinking fresh coconut water on the beach after a few hours of boogie boarding in warm tropical water and then moving on to a pile of mangosteens.
The hotel I use to live in had a no mangosteen policy. I don't know why because they do not stink like a durian but maybe it was for ant control. Of course that did not stop me from smuggling them in.
What the heck are you doing in Asia other than making waves on a Lyme forum?
I will wire you the dollar. I have not had a mangosteen since 2005.
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First of all, I know different things work for different people. We can only say what works for us.
Erica - in answer to your question about what versions have less sugar, I think Xango has low sugar. The Mango-xan version lists 2g sugar as compared to 6g sugar in the Ultra.
I drink a Mango-xan bottle once in a while as a break from the Ultra. But I get more noticeable health benefits from the Ultra, probably due to the 72 minerals added to it, which hardens my nails, meaning it's mineralizing the bod.
Polar - so true about going slow. The juice was so powerful at first - blew my socks off for the first couple days - so yes, go slow, drink a lot of water when you first start.
Heiwalove and Fuzzy - the Ultra version states no added preservatives.
I order mine through Vitacost for around $16/bottle, which lasts me around 10 days. That's about $1.60/day to save my eyesight, gums and intestines. The price of a cup of coffee. I haven't yet found anything to compare.
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Robin does the Ultra version taste good and how much should one start with per day? Maybe it would give me enough energy to get a new passport and go to Germany for treatment.
For anyone who wants to poo poo the Bionic 880 go right ahead it just means less people to have to fight for space when booking an office visit with Dr. W.
I think the LLMDs in the USA are great and we are lucky to have them but I would much rather be treated by a European MD who has an understand of homeopathy as well as Western medicine and uses energy testing as well and can adjust one's spine.
I was speaking with an local Austrian MD/homeopath/chiro on the phone today whose number and name I am keeping well hidden from Scott F. and his Rock Star hall of fame. She was saying how the doctors in Germany have much more training in Germany then in the USA because they are required to study more then just Western medicine and how $7,000. is very reasonable for a German machine.
After being a patient of hers and getting much more out of her then most MDs trained in the USA I would have to agree. Give me a European trained MD any day. They know how to look at the complete patient and picture and after studying homeopathy they certainly know what questions to ask to figure out your past history and what is going on with you. They take the time to read your chart rather than ask you what meds they put you on last time.
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Hi Angelica - yes, I think it tastes good - besides the mangosteen extracts, it lists extracts of goji, grape seed and grape skin; and concentrates of pomegranate, blueberry, cranberry, lychee, red grape and mixed fruit.
I'd say only do a little bit at a time in the beginning, drink a lot of water, and see how your body responds.
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Thanks Robin. I plan to order some tomorrow or I should say when I wake up. Lychee is excellent for the liver and my liver currently needs help.
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Again I don't like repeating myself, she can speak for herself.
On top of that you are trying to defer attention away from my very valid point by suggesting I have some sort of agenda. Your trying to start a witch hunt and get the moderators attention. Pretty pathetic effort.
The IDSA comment was me trying to put conflict of interest into a model you can understand. Its the principle.
If I came in here telling everyone how wonderful a product was and then I told you at the end that I was a sales rep for them. Would my statement still have the same credibility? I think not.
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Synthesis and antimycobacterial assay of some xanthone derivatives.Szkaradek N, Stachura K, Waszkielewicz AM, Cegła M, Szneler E, Marona H. Department of Technology and Biotechnology of Drugs, Faculty of Pharmacy, Jagiellonian University, Medical College, Cracow, Poland.
A series of some derivatives of 2-xanthone was synthesized and evaluated for their activity against M. tuberculosis in primary and/or secondary microbiological assays. The cytotoxic activity of some compounds was also evaluated. The most active compounds were: [I] 2-(2-(4-(2-(4-chloro-3-methylphenoxy)ethyl)piperazin-1-yl)ethoxy)-9H-xanthen-9-one, [III] 2-((4-(2-(4-chlor-3-methylphenoxy)ethyl)piperazin-1-yl)methyl)-9H-xanthen-9-one dihydrochloride and [XVIII] ethyl 4-(2-hydroxy-3-(9-oxo-9H-xanthen-2-yloxy)propyl) piperazine-1-carboxylate, which displayed 98%, 98% and 94% inhibition of M. tuberculosis growth, respectively. Furthermore, compounds III and XVIII revealed their cytotoxic activity (SI < 1). Other structures varied greatly in their anti M. tuberculosis activity, however, several trends in their structure in relation to their antituberculous activity have been observed.
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Cardioprotective effect of alpha-mangostin, a xanthone derivative from mangosteen on tissue defense system against isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction in rats.Devi Sampath P, Vijayaraghavan K. Centre for Advanced Studies in Botany, University of Madras, Guindy Campus, Chennai, India.
Increased oxidative stress and antioxidant deficit have been suggested to play a major role in isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction. The present study was designed to evaluate the effect of alpha-mangostin on the antioxidant defense system and lipid peroxidation against isoproterenol-induced myocardial infarction in rats. Induction of rats with ISO (150 mg/kg body weight, ip) for 2 days resulted in a marked elevation in lipid peroxidation, serum marker enzymes (LDH, CPK, GOT, and GPT) and a significant decrease in the activities of endogenous antioxidants (SOD, CAT, GPx, GST, and GSH). Pre-treatment with alpha-mangostin (200 mg/kg of body weight per day) orally for 6 days prior to the ISO administration and 2 days along with ISO administration significantly attenuated these changes when compared to the individual treatment groups. These findings indicate the protective effect of alpha-mangostin on lipid peroxidation and antioxidant tissue defense system during ISO-induced myocardial infarction in rats.
Xanthones with quinone reductase-inducing activity from the fruits of Garcinia mangostana (Mangosteen).Chin YW, Jung HA, Chai H, Keller WJ, Kinghorn AD. Division of Medicinal Chemistry and Pharmacognosy, College of Pharmacy, The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH 43210, USA.
Bioactivity-guided fractionation of a dichloromethane-soluble extract of Garcinia mangostana fruits has led to the isolation and identification of five compounds, including two xanthones, 1,2-dihydro-1,8,10-trihydroxy-2-(2-hydroxypropan-2-yl)-9-(3-methylbut-2-enyl)furo[3,2-a]xanthen-11-one (1) and 6-deoxy-7-demethylmangostanin (2), along with three known compounds, 1,3,7-trihydroxy-2,8-di-(3-methylbut-2-enyl)xanthone (3), mangostanin (4), and alpha-mangostin (5). The structures of compounds 1 and 2 were determined from analysis of their spectroscopic data. All isolated compounds in the present study together with eleven other compounds previously isolated from the pericarp of mangosteen, were tested in an in vitro quinone reductase-induction assay using murine hepatoma cells (Hepa 1c1c7) and an in vitro hydroxyl radical antioxidant assay. Of these, compounds 1-4 induced quinone reductase (concentration to double enzyme induction, 0.68-2.2microg/mL) in Hepa 1c1c7 cells and gamma-mangostin (6) exhibited hydroxyl radical-scavenging activity (IC50, 0.20microg/mL).
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Polar, Thanks for the clarification on the tea, I appreciate it. I'm going to get some decaf and look forward to drinking something other than herbal tea!
Since Shmangosteen has 400 billion times the amount of bioflavinoids, phytonutrients and vitamins that noni, Rechts Regulat or Mangosteen, where can I buy it?!
In the meantime, Rechts Regulat and Noni are doing wonders for me. I'll comment more on some other Bat Channel.
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I looked into this Mangosteen a while ago and the health claims made by websites and people on here put me off it. I've seen people on here claim that it cures cancer. I mean, come on... seriously!
I think people need to look at this sensibly.
There is very little scientific evidence.
The health benefit claims and cures are absolutely ridiculous.
The price of Mangosteen is criminal.
It does not cure Lyme.
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The reason I posted the article was to highlight that Xango have very little scientific evidence to have the cheek to charge that amount for their juice. First of all, you have the wrong price. Check any Xango site and you will see that it is $25. As for "little scientific evidence, just go park yourself in PubMed and keep pulling up research articles by plugging in "Mangosteen+xanthones"
America should be re-named "The land of opportunists" I'm not going to sit back and watch you bash a product I love.
Maybe lymetoo can send out a few samples to fellow board members so they can bask in mangosteens healing glory.
Sorry, no handouts. I didn't get one. I have no "extra" money floating around.
I don't doubt the juice is good for you but the price is just taking the **** and that is that.
Knock yourselves out.
The last sentence says a lot about you and your motives.
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Chris,
Any healthy food will help prevent and help cure cancer. Cruciferous vegetables are famous for their cancer fighting abilities. It is known that cruciferous veggies promote the body's production of glutathione and this is one suspected reason of why it reduces the risks of cancer.
Vitamin D has been shown to cut cancer risks by 60%.
Everyone knows or should know by now that anti-oxidents fight free radicals which cause cancer.
Cancer is literally a disease of malnutrition. Most americans are obese and malnutritioned. We are eating fake, dead, poisonous foods.
So if Mangosteen or any other juice has anti-oxidants in it; then sure, it is going to help prevent and/or cure cancer.
BTW, refined white sugar feeds cancer as does fats. So enjoy that doughnut and the chemo that will surely have to follow after too much consumption of the Standard American Diet.
Duh!
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this type of post always brings out the best and worst in people. i figure these are "gotcha" questions, because nobody wins and it just causes discord....
so if i want to spend my money on xango, noni, or snake oil and i feel it helps me, then i'm bloody well going to....it's MY money and MY body...
so what's the problem....
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I often wonder at times if the simplest cures for our disease(and other diseases) will end up being things like Mangosteen and FIR treatments etc....
You talk about oppurtunistic...
In a hundred years from now, it would not shock me if the thing that has cured Lyme were the simpler things like the Bionic 880 or special combinations of juices etc...
My point being that it seems to me that the real "oppurtunists" are the drug companies as proof by the IDSA panelists. Don't get me wrong, I do believe ABX play a role in our disease, but big Pharm wants to keep a tight reign on their position regarding our health care.
I also think as the "proof in the pudding" is revealed regardless of whether it's the Bionic 880 or something else, you will see a huge surge of those products being incorporated into mainstream practices here in the US and elsewhere.
Because, as we all know the bottom line is the bottom line and the powers that be will finally cave in as to not want to miss out on the "oppurtunity" to make money.
For now, Big Pharm has its hold, but as business moves elsewhere that will change. Believe you me, they are not going to like the massess leaving the country to go to Germany when the money could be coming into their own pockets. This is basic economics.
I think the powers above already know so much more than we do about curing Lyme and other things too.(funny that they were already using things like lightworks for the astronauts years ago)....
They also know if the cat got out of the bag, it would be economical suicide for the big industry's that love keeping us dumbed down.
Just my thoughts.
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Why would it not make sense that Mangosteen is good for ppl in general, much less those with a compromised immune system?
There is so much information and research showing how good antioxidants are for you: boosts immune system, fights off infectious diseases, fights off viruses, helps delay the signs of aging, etc. Our cells use antioxidants to work against the effects of harmful environmental factors and free radicals that evade our bodies defenses and can cause internal breakdown and cellular aging. They counter oxidation and neutralize free radicals. There is even a study now that shows that antioxidants can reduce the toxic effects of lead
And I'm sure everyone has heard about the many benefits that come from the antioxidants in red wine: warding off Alzheimer's, proven way to reduce coronary heart disease, improves cardiovascular health, lowers production of low density lipoprotein cholesterol and boosting high density lipoprotein cholesterol, reduces blood clotting and now one study has found that the antioxidant resveratol (found in the skin of red grapes) may inhibit tumor development in some cancers. Another study indicated that resveratrol aided in the formation of nerve cells, which is beneficial in the treatment of neurological diseases such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
It would make sense that Mangosteen, at least, has a small health benefit as would any fruit rich in antioxidants.
And a number of laboratory and animal studies suggest that mangosteen has significant anti-inflammatory effects. Just, there are no human studies as of yet to determine if these anti-inflammatory effects will be helpful to ppl with arthritis or other inflammatory conditions
Btw, as noted in the article NMN posted, dried Mangosteen apparently is used in Calcutta and China for medicinal uses. The sliced and dried rind is powdered and used to overcome dysentery. It is made into an ointment for eczema and other skin disorders. The rind decoction is taken to relive diarrhea and cystitis, gonorrhea and is applied externally as an astringent lotion. A portion of the rind is steeped in water overnight and the infusion given as a remedy for chronic diarrhea for adults and children. Filipinos employ a decoction of the leaves and bark as a febrifuge and to treat thrush, diarrhea, dysentery and urinary disorders. In Malaya, and infusion of the leaves, combined with unripe banana and benzoin is applied to the wound of circumcision. A root decoction is taken to regulate menstration. A bark extract is used for treating amoebic dysentery.
I think the fact that it's being used for so many different things (and they can go back to Stone Age times in Italy and Switzerland and even Ancient Egypt and prove that Mangosteen was being use for medicinal purposes) outside of the US, that there might be something to this fruit
So, it could be that they find that Mangosteen is extremely beneficial for multiple reasons
But, as of now, it's obviously great for the antioxidants. And perhaps those taking it now are ahead of the game before research proves how beneficial Mangosteen really is
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I found this. I'll have to research this more when I get time
VERY interesting imo
So what does scientific study say about the mangosteen fruit rind and stem, and who has been doing all this research? Here it is:
* A university in China found that mangosteen hull is loaded with free radical scavengers (meaning that the mangosteen properties seek out and actually counteract the free radicals)
* Universities in Thailand, China, and India have found that the mangosteen is loaded with xanthones, and that these xanthones have strong antioxidant action (antioxidant means against free radicals)
* A Taiwan medical college found mangosteen to be effective against leukemia
* University in Japan found mangosteen to be an effective antibacterial agent, specifically against certain drug resistant strains of bacteria, and also a very strong COX-1 and COX-2 inhibitor, which means it inhibits inflammation
* More than one university in Thailand found mangosteen to be effective against breast cancer cells
* A university in Singapore has found the antioxidant activity of the mangosteen to be extremely strong, possibly stronger than any other fruit. This activity includes anti-inflammatory actions, effectiveness against a multitude of degenerative diseases, including: heart disease, arthritis, immune system malfunctions, and also cataracts and brain dysfunction
* A university in Korea studied the actions of the mangosteen and found it to be effective with circulatory problems, including hardening of the arteries, and also a general anti-inflammatory
* A university in Nebraska, USA found that mangosteen was loaded with carotenoids, which are strong antioxidants and considered Vitamin A precursors
* A university in China that found possible benefits against Alzheimer's disease brain degeneration
* A university in India found new xanthones which have strong action in the fight against diarrhea, dysentery, cystitis, eczema, digestive problems, inflammation, and diabetes
* A university in Japan found the mangosteen to have a strong antihistamine action, therefore making it great for allergy problems, rhinitis, and asthma, to name but a few of the possibilities
* A university in China showed the anti HIV action of the mangosteen
And the list goes on......
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It is not bog in a bottle and it has some of the same properties as resveratrol.
I was paying over $190. a month for the amount of resveratrol my LLMD wanted me to take each month. I would rather buy a bottle online of the mangosteen juice with no preservatives included and mix up my antioxidants a bit. I still take resveratrol but less then I was. My CO Q 10 that I buy from Allergy Research has a painful price tag as well.
Should people be selling Xango to others here? NO! They can do that through email and off the board. Should they be sending newbies PM's about Xangos vitamins? NO again. It is against the forum's rules. Should they be approaching anyone here to sell anything NO again.
I think energy medicine including infrared light is going to be the wave of the future. I am ready for more holistic treatment for illnesses.
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NMN,
You're soo multi-talented! Not only are you a "whistleblower" but a mindreader too! FYI, I couldn't care less about getting the moderators attention - in fact I think this site can be a little strict at times...on that note, maybe you're not such a great mindreader after all... so don't quit your day job!!
You can be skeptical of Mangosteen all you want, but personally targeting another member is wrong. You've also done so in a very confrontational manner and you know it.
For all the ones who have been here for a while your desire to cause an upset and start fights is very transparent - it's also not going to work.
And please don't make a "kissy" face at me again - the only thing of mine you can kiss is my a$$.
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Thanks so much about the info on the Ultra Mangosteen. I actually bought a bottle of this stuff months ago after reading your experiences. Around that same time I also had two of my non-LLMD physicians recommended it to me for what they thought were "fibromyalgia" symptoms. In addition, I'd read some interesting research that was coming in from Life Extension Foundation on the use of Mangosteen juice.
I decided to go with the Ultra Mangosteen brand because I refuse to take Xango. I just can't tolerate the sodium benzoate in the Xango. The Ultra Mangosteen brand is, as you say, free of preservatives like that.
I must confess, though, that I have yet to try the juice. I've felt as though I've had my hands full and have not wanted to add something new yet for fear of increased herxing.
My chiropractor swears by mangosteen juice. And I was quite surprised to have one of my conventional, allopathic physicians recommend it as well. Neither of them had preferences to any specific brand name to use -- I did ask.
Oh well, anything that can help alleviate symptoms and make life better is a good thing!
Thanks again.
Fuzzy
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quote:Originally posted by Angelica: Should people be selling Xango to others here? NO! They can do that through email and off the board. Should they be sending newbies PM's about Xangos vitamins? NO again. It is against the forum's rules. Should they be approaching anyone here to sell anything NO again.
I agree !
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Fuzzy - I doubt if I herxed when I started the Ultra mangosteen juice. Within the hour, eye symptoms began clearing up. 24 hours later, no more eye symptoms.
Within the hour, my sinuses began to run and did so for the next 48 hours. They ran a marathon.
24 hours later, my intestines started to empty and did so for the next 72 hours. We're not modest here, are we, sometimes? Ever since, real regular, like a baby.
96 hours later, I noticed no more gum bleeding. I do still brush and floss. Don't want to cheat on that even tho I swear the juice handles this too.
Just go slow and drink a lot of water.
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Sorry if someone already mentioned this brand, but does anyone know if the Trace Minerals brand of Ultra Mangosteen that Vitacost sells is any good. It is very affordable right now. On sale for $17.13 per bottle for 32 ounces. They recommend 1-3 oz's per day.
Thanks for any information! Elizabeth
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That is the brand Robin posted she often buys.
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Thank you for the information I appreciate it. I am going to order some. I have read all the ingredients and it looks wonderful. It can only be healthy for us based on the ingredients list and who knows what else.
I don't think that $1.80(and that's if you drink the full three ounces)a day is too much to spend on a drink... Look at how many ppl eat out or go to Starbucks for coffee and think nothing of spending $3.00 on high test Java.
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Exactly. The fact it helps with sinuses has me very excited. I actually am going to order some for a sick friend to try as well. They don't have Lyme or at least not diagnosed Lyme yet but they have some sort of Mycroplasma that keeps haunting them.
Trace Minerals has been known for years in the industry for making quality products and especially minerals.
Maybe this thread is informative after all. Many of us are learning more about the juice and perhaps anyone who has been sending PMs here announcing they sell MLM juice and vitamins to others well start to understand that we know what they are up to and it is really unacceptable.
Maybe they will stop attempting to sell here.
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quote:Originally posted by NMN: Good article on the truth about Xango mangosteen juice. 37$ honestly.....You need your head examined if your buying this stuff.
Followed by three entire pages (almost 90 posts so far) of discussion, research, anecdotes and argument -- and therefore interest in -- mangosteen. Now everybody's curious about trying it.
Reverse psychology?
And, any good conspiracy theorist knows that there has to be a secret hidden code somewhere...
Wha??? Each letter in "NMN" is exactly 1 letter in the alphabet shifted from "MLM".
I've got it! NMN is actually selling mangosteen for an MLM under the pseudonym Lymetoo! Very sneaky.
No?
Okay, maybe not.
But it would have been a brilliant (and effective) strategy, I must say.
In all seriousness, while NMN can be um, shall we say, less than diplomatic, he or she does make some valid points about reasonable costs, proper research, potential for companies to take advantage of sick people, conflicts of interest, etc.
But on the other hand, it is natural, I think, for a lyme sufferer, having found a product that they really believe in, to sign up to sell it to others. It's a potentially win-win situation.
So many lyme sufferers struggle to work, and need something they can do from home (and only when they are physically up to it.) So I see this as a legitimate way to make money, as long as it's done appropriately and up front.
The MLM companies? I don't know. I've always been leery, but I've never been inside one to say anything definitively one way or the other. I think anyone is susceptible to compromise -- whether through greed or desperation.
But really, the ridiculous costs are the medical ones, especially if you don't have insurance, or insurance won't cover. Office visits, labs, procedures, medicines, etc.
I *finally* was able to get prescriptions for antibiotics again, but can only afford 1 of the 2 antibiotics for now.
We're talking $264.00 for the GENERIC brand of azithromycin at WAL-MART for 30 tablets (WITH the discount). Sheesh. No kidding. Now I do take issue with that.
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I thought for sure you would see that I was poking fun at NMN, because his/her negative post about mangosteen generated so much *positive* interest in it. It was all meant to be in good fun.
I certainly did not mean to offend you in any way, and I'm very sorry that my post made you feel that way.
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Hi Lauren....I swear.... you have just made me nearly choke laughing on my organic porridge oats!! LOL
If I had a day job I would not be sitting here shooting the breeze with you fine people now would I?
Lymetoo - 25$ is still BS in my opinion. For that price I would want to hear that they are loosing two or three sherpas in their mission to gather the PRECIOUS MANGOSTEENS!
I picture a scene from frickin JUMANJI where they are being picked off by one by one by ferocius creatures and giant insects in distance uncharted Jungles.
Now THAT might justify the price. DANGER MONEY.
In case you have not been reading, I have not been bashing the product you love, I have been making a very valid argument that they (and you) have not got right to charge the price they do. And what ever you might think of me, that is just a fact.
There is a lot to be said for the placebo effect too you know.
Knock yourselves out is a figure of speech that you may not be familiar with by the sounds of things. It does not literally mean you should knock yourself out by hitting yourself on the head or anything.
It was me throwing my hands up and saying "Whatever....drink Mangosteen until its coming out your ears for all I care"
Look I think I have made my point and to be honest I am getting a little bored now.
Randibear - makes a good point.
Lauren - PM me and we can set up that dinner date you have been hinting at. x theres one for the other cheek
Lieandmorelies - Yes I totally agree with you. Pharmaceutical companies in the US are total extortionists and I feel very sorry for you all that you have to put up with that.
I seem to recall a thread not so long ago that i made my feelings well known on what I think of your health care system. So I won't bother going into it any further now.
You say that the proof is in the pudding. Well thats not always true. I remember a product similar to Rife that took off in the UK and they made a killing from patients believing it worked.
There were Hundreds of testimonials written when all along it was a scam and legal precedings went ahead against them.
I have a friend who was personally involved in these clinics so you will just have to trust me on that one.
Like I said, The placebo effect is real too.
Desertcanyon - Nice theory, by the way this thread has turned out it certainly looks like I am helping their sales rather than hindering them. Looks like I misread the American mind a touch. You guys are always mezmorized by the next new thing.
JillF - Why would it not make sense that Mangosteen is good for ppl in general, much less those with a compromised immune system?
Again no one is debating it is good for you.
Chris - Welcome to the Shmangosteen revolution. LOL
I think lyme has robbed some of you of a sense of humour too by the way.
Good talk.
PS Lymetoo, Desertcanyon was having a laugh. I got it but it seems you didn't. Take a chill pill, I can sell you one for 50 bucks made from nutritious Irish rock moss from the hills of Donegal
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It may be important to see what percentage of mangosteen is really in some of the products. I looked at the Trace Minerals brand of Ultra Mangosteen & it doesn't say. It just says that it has:
Mangosteen Whole Fruit Extract Mangosteen Extract Goji Berry Extract Pomegranate concentrate Blueberry Concentrate Grape Seed Extract Grape Skin Extract Cranberry Concentrate Lychee Concentrate Red Grape Concentrate Mixed Fruit Concentrate
I found that 1 ounce = 28349.5231 milligrams (on Wiki.answers)
So, it doesn't have alot of actual "juice" in it...
It doesn't say the proportions.... if this is a concern. Might be .005 mg of mangosteen...? It does have other beneficial ingredients so I don't think it's bad. You just may not be getting alot of mangosteen.
Also, the hull is supposed to have alot of the nutritional value. It doesn't taste good but it has some important nutrients. It would be good to find a product that includes the hull. Maybe that's what they mean by - Mangosteen Whole Fruit Extract?
We also don't know if "extract" is better than the whole fruit or if it's pasturerized (which may kill enzymes). So, there are alot of questions about these types of products.
I think there is some good to them - it's just alot to think about.
PS - No one here has ever solicited me to buy mangosteen juice.
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Hey, I resent being pegged as trying to advertise mangosteen. Screw you. Really. This disease is horrible and it's socially responsible that when you find something that really helps to inform others of it.
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Elizaeth - yes, I order from Vitacost - the price of the juice just went up apparently, to $17.13. Still the cheapest way to order, I think. The 32-oz bottle lasts me 10 days.
Sparkle - I've asked in the past about the amount of mangosteen in the juice and they wouldn't say. All I can say is that the juice works for me as a good antioxidant, anti-inflam juice.
Now I am getting curious to hear how the juice is going to affect any of you here who are going to try it...
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Now for something a little more serious. I just made a post in Activism about an email I received tonight about an apparent FDA attack on nutrients and supplements, which will affect the use of our beloved mangosteen products as well as anything else we order.
Please go see!
Thx! - me
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One thing to consider is that Mangosteens are not as available as lets say apples and oranges are in the states. In fact in this area it's a much more exotic fruit.
I am currently paying $4 for a half a gallon of orange juice(oranges are very plentiful here). So I really don't think that $17 for 32 ounces is that out of whack when you consider where they are shipping it in from.
And, with the orange juice, I would need to drink lets say 8 to 12 ounces a day and it does not even come close to having near the nutritional value that Mangosteen has at 1 to 3 ounces.
Can you offer any figures that would show what you would deem to be a resonable price for Ultra Mangosteen Juice when you take into consideration the rarity of the fruit in the states and the manufacturing costs of the juice and the other ingredients that are going into it???
Of course I realize they are making a profit, as nothing in life is free. But, is it really out of whack?
I mean pomegranite juice is very, very expensive where I live. I have seen it in mainstream Grocery's for about $7-10 a bottle and I even have Pomegranite's growing over my backyard fence.
What I meant by "the proof is in the pudding", is that if ppl are having a reduction in their symptoms and are feeling better, than so be it.
You know a lot of our health is "how we feel". If something makes you feel good, than for me that is a large part of what my health is about.
I am a firm believer that when your body is hurting it is telling you that something is very wrong. So, if these ppl say they are herxing on this juice or feeling better while taking it after the herx has gone away, than personally that means more to me than the reports that the FDA and Big Pharm may spit out at us.
You of all ppl I would think would understand that logic since you agree with me regarding the abuse that Big Pharm has inflicted onto us.
I am not saying this about you, but I have encountered many ppl who are very afraid of looking outside of Western Medicine and have claimed that everything that is not in the realm of Western Med is just a placebo effect if one notices beneficial changes.
You know some of the healthiest ppl on the earth are the ppl who live in very remote places in the East. Many ppl believe it's becuase of the low stress and vitamins and minerals they get from their food sources.
I am not at all saying that scams do not exist, as I do believe they do. I just don't want to become so cynical to spite myself if you know what I mean.
PS Please don't read too much into this, but I was insulted that you would write the following:
quote from NMN
"You guys are always mezmorized by the next new thing."
How would you know what the heck we Americans are mezmorized by???? Talk about an insulting, rude and huge blanket statement.
Why would you make a blanket statement about all of us???? Maybe you need to take that inflamatory statement and go to your hill in Donegal and reflect, or are you too "mezmorized" by yourself to do that?
I also find it very telling when ppl accuse ppl of losing their sense of humor right after they bash someone. Very obvious.
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couldn't agree more.
i went to a place called "central market" today.
they had bananas for about 1.50 per POUND. walmart has bananas for around 50 cents a pound or less.
point is, you can shop around and get deals. i was very very fortunate to have a dear friend send me two bottles....
thank the heavens for her.....she sells it too and has never ever pushed it on me.
if people are interested they will buy, try, and make their own opinion, if not, they won't....
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quote:Originally posted by NMN: Looks like I misread the American mind a touch. You guys are always mezmorized by the next new thing.
It may be time for the moderators to pull the plug on this one. I'm willing to tolerate Anti-Americanism in the rare instance but there's no restraint here and it does not serve the board well.
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