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I'm curious about rife. HBOT and MP seem to help some 20-25% of the people who tried it, but I hear lots of people who claim successful treatment from rifing and none who say it didn't help.
I'm kind of confused by it. It seems like it would be so easy to prove rifing works in a lab setting with in-vitro experiments and lab animals, and yet google hasn't found any good research. But if it were purely psychological, it seems like it would have lots who tried it and got nowhere.
So: have you tried a rife machine and not seen any effect from it?
Thanks
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I understand your concerns but sometimes you just have to try something - I was scared but desperate when I finally decided it was time to at least try it. That was back when there were very few reports at all - If it was psychological when I got better I'll take it!
Then again, just like any other treatment I'm sure you will find others who decided it didn't help them - it's a fair question.
If you have any questions feel free to PM me. I'm not a doctor just someone who has been there.
All My Best, Scott
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Minimal results - not a significant factor in my recovery though I still try from time to time.
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For those of you who were not helped, could you post which machine you used and maybe a little about how often and how long you treated yourself.
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Worked for me. The tricky thing is not knowing if you are using the right frequencies. If you rife with the wrong frequencies it won't be effective.
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I read a story about it and will try to recall the long and short of it. Someone promoted curing cancer using rife and one or two people in that person's care died. The promoter was prosecuted. I would be very careful before investing money into one of these things. Find someone that will allow you to try theirs first, or buy one with the guarantee that you can return it. Evidently there are a lot of them online being sold by dissatisfied customers. Have to say I don't much respect Schaller but he says it is worthless in his book on bartonella. There are a lot of people out there trying to exploit us. Kinesiology is very disturbing to me - being treated via spit on a cotton ball, the "healer" just "feels" what is wrong. Some people swear by it but they never get any better and are off to another magic solution. I look at rife as a magic solution. There is no one in the medical community that promotes its value.
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A friend of mine just sent me a link for a software to turn your computer in a rife machine.
Has anyone tried that?? I don't want to spend $100 for nothing..
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Actually quite a few very very well known LLMD's who I've spoken to say that it's effective. Additionally, the fact that Schaller says it's worthless made me smile. He also said levaquin wasn't helpful.
No one can promote it officially given it's got no FDA support, but it "is" recommended as a therapy -- by some doctors -- for the patient to consider in their own time if they wish (i.e. legal way of suggesting a prescription).
The Cowden Protocol creator recommends Rife to some patients, as does a well known Pediatric Lyme specialist. There are many others.
The science behind Rife is quite simple. How do you think lithotripsy machines work for kidney stones? It is a non-invasive method of directing a high powered acoustic pulse at the stone, and shattering it while still inside the person.
Cat Scan technology, MRI -- these all use electromagnetic technology to read the "affects" of electromagnetic vibrations which provide a visual image. Rife Machines provide an amplifier, a frequency modifier (which you input data), and then the device -- either via contact to the skin, or from a radiant bulb -- sends out electromagnetic frequencies. All living organisms are confirmed -- factually -- to produce natural frequencies depending on composition. When multiple frequencies from the external environment contact the object, it will leave it's "harmonious" state and begin to vibrate. This oscillation can lead the object, depending on it's content, to shatter, or ossilate to such a degree that it damages the bonds of the molecules and atoms, pulling them apart,
Applie appropriate frequencies to the body for specific cells, and with enough power, the electromagnetic fields will cause damage -- which is intended to cripple or kill the organism so that it's no longer a pathogenic threat.
This is why Rife gets support, because it makes sense in the context of what we already understand about both quantum as well as applied physics.
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Neff wrote: "Kinesiology is very disturbing to me - being treated via spit on a cotton ball, the "healer" just "feels" what is wrong."
I don't want to divert this thread but want to mention that you are misinformed! This is NOT kinesiology. I hope you will educate yourself before giving an opinion on various methods and treatments.
IMO, the key to rife is getting the right frequencies as was already mentioned. FWIW, I was told by a doctor who treated mostly CFIDS patients that he had numerous patients with postive experiences using rife.
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David here is a site that is in Europe with a lot of articles. I just started looking at this site so i don't know what exatly is there but hopefully it will give you some info.
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Agree, invest in a machine, not software.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
quote:There is no one in the medical community that promotes its value.
Doctors and practitioners all over Germany are using it. It is an authorised treatment.
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I am finding you have to be patient with Rife. Your mind set has to change over from the methods we are used to.
And doing rife is more cumulative and you have to start slow and it might feel like it is not doing much at first.
Then in time you will see how you are responding differently and able to treat longer and you get a feel of what will give a herx and how to time thing etc.
Because when you start it feels so minimal I only can assume many might just say.. it did not work.
I had someone who wanted to "try it" before they went to buy it. They tried it by doing two treatments in a week span and decided it does not work for them.
WEll. thats just not enough.. not just time.. but you have to find those frequencies.
I had someone else who used the same one I have for three months and said they just are not responding. THey then hit on a certain program that was on the list they had and bamb. They said it was like night and day..
So.. sadly. THere is no manual as to what exactly to do or how to do it so you have to experiment and test it out on yourself.. That takes time.
You have to give time inbetween treatments to evaluate what it did or does..
Well if you wait a week between each one. Just to try it out.. it doing to take months...
Again.. Patience is so needed.. to be able to benefit and use Rife..
That is how I am looking at it.....
Its not easy.. and you have to be self motivated too and want to research really plan and think it out..
WE live in a world of instant gratification and even in the medical world.. WE want a therapy that is simple and fast ...
Not everything is.. that is for sure.. and not with Lyme Disease... that is for sure.
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I have had plenty of things it has not worked on, and a few that it has.
I could not kill mold growing on some masonry no mater what frequency I used.
I treated for E-Coli and only got a stomach ache, and additional treatments only brought more stomach aches and no resolution to the suspected E-Coli.
Using it for Lyme on my wife brought her back from very ill, to normal.
Using it for H-Pylori worked for a day and a half and then symptoms came back. When I treated for six days in a row, symptoms were permanently resolved.
There are no double blind placebo controlled no studies that have been done in this country, and there probably never will be.
There is no one that can profit from such studies, and such evidence would be quite uncomfortable for the AMA and the FDA since they would have to reverse a staunch 70 year opposition to such treatment, encouranged by those who are profiting from other more lucrative treatments.
There is one study form Australia on frequency treatments and Arthritis.
Clinical trials have been done concerning Cancer, frequency effectiveness concerning the Oncotherm device. None of these are U.S. trials, and I do not know where they are available at. In spite of the proven effectiveness of this Cancer treatment, not one of these devices is available in the U.S.
Seems its a family thing here.. and I am wondering what frequencies and does it require a higher frequency machine like an EMX?
How do you know how long per session?
I am waiting to order from Rife Labs either an EMEM3d or an EMX.
Thank you!!
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I posted the answer to your question on the other Rife thread. Sorry.
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Thanks to those who answered my questions.
And thank you, lymetoo, for helping me personally,
I am hopeful that I will be getting a machine soon.
Peace....Christie
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You should consider a few things before deciding to purchase a machine. People that claim rife works are always using some additional alternative therapy or herbal Treatment at the same time.
They have usually been on abx for a number of years before trying rife, so the success that they think that they are getting with rife is nothing more than a period of feeling a little stronger due to just being off of abx, and nothing more.
There is a lady on lymenet that goes by the usuer name of SWLisa. She recently had a brain scan that showed a number of lesions in her brain. She has been using alternative therapies for a long time thinking that they were working, and I believe that rife was a big part of her protocol. She did not list rife as being one of the things that she used, but I remember reading somewhere else that she did use it a lot. She would not answer my direct question about it though, and now the whole thread has been deleted.
It's my observation that many of the people that claim that rife is working for them are gradually going downhill, and that only by getting back on abx for short term protocols are they able to continue their perceived benefit from rife.
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In that thread, SWL talks about the failure for her in going off of abx and going only alternative (not rife), you ask her if she's tried rife and that is the last post. She did NOT respond that she ever tried rife. She never identified rife as a major part of her protocol. You are misremembering the conversation. Please go back and review the thread.
I am using rife with no other supplements or alternative treatments and I am symptom free. And I know many others with similar experiences. Plus I've had 3 MDs tell me off the record that it works.
Even simple posts to lymenet come with responsibility. Lymenet is a searchable database that has become a lifeline of research and information for people with very complex, life threatening and confusing medical conditions.
Your "observation" that people on rife are going down hill should be backed up by links. There's tons of posts here on lymenet- find me the ones where rife truly isn't working. I see one post in this thread that rife didn't work, and that is the ONLY report I have ever seen or heard that rife- tried correctly (multiple frequencies over time) didn't work.
You are trashing a modality that you know nothing about. You are not speaking from experience and you are putting words in other people's mouths. This is exactly the same problem we have with people who say long-term abx treatment doesn't work.
Second-hand knowledge and hearsay are not nearly as meaningful as first-hand knowledge.
I suggest that rather than reporting what you think you might remember a poster saying, a search by screen name or treatment modality and share that information with the group.
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Porsche, you are correct, there is NOT one single protocol to magically get rid of vector borne illnesses.
It is what is called The Big Picture. It's a process. Rife isn't a magic wand. They don't work in one month, 6 mths or 12 months.
Many of us on this site that knew/lived abx were failing us and we needed to change our thinking have turned to rife. But none of us would clain that it was our only source of improving. Nobody!
Anybody that thinks just taking abx and doing no other life changes is not living/thinking in the real world of Lyme & co.
I resent that you would claim that any of us posting about rife and it's uses for treating lyme & co are lying about our observations and protocols.
Your observations are deceptive to anyone reading this thread.
Pam
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What about Bryan Rosner? I thought he's the king of rife and cured by it.
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Personally, I just ignore negative posts like that.
I have been diagnosed with interstitial cystitis, and the doctor had me on ALL kinds of medication.
I finally just took myself off. I was no worse than before I started taking them.
My docotr was VERY angry and said that I HAD to get back on the meds. I don't go to him anymore. It just seemed to me that he was a pill pusher in the drug companies pockets.
Why would someone get so angry like that?? He doesn't have to live in my body. The only logical reason would be if my not taking the drugs was going to affect him personally.
I don't get mad at someone when I see them doing something harmful to themselves. I might be sad for them, but I'm not going to spew forth venom at them.
I KNOW that alternative therapies work. I've tried them. Different treatments work for different people. You just have to see what works for you.
The more I read and educate myself, the more I am convinced that the east needs to meet the west and the two need to become one. Whatever works for the patient. Not how much something costs, or who can patent what!!
Does anybody really care about the person who is sick??? If rife works for people, why would someone get on here and bash it?? It makes no logical sense to me...
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Now consider this; if rife did work there would not be a need to continue doing it forever and ever. If these frequencies did kill the organisms, they would all be dead after a single use. The frequencies resonate throughout the entire body, so how could any pathogen hide from it?
All of the rife freq's have been derived from muscle testing (AKA A.R.T, or kineaseology), or some kind of purely subjective response from the patient. Any notable response from the patient could mean a number of things, one of which could just be EMF damage or sensitivity.
You can also see how upset some of the rife users can get when ever any one dares to speak out against it. One of these people accused me of calling them a liar, when you can see for yourself that I did no such thing.
Catskillsmama; I did not disremember the thread. I asked her the direct question if she had used rife, and she would not respond to it. Someone else asked her the same question as well, and she would still not answer it.
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If antibiotics "worked" then they could be a one-shot approach, no? Actually, it's far more complicated than that. Antibiotics do work but bacteria can reside in places that it's hard for blood-transported antibiotics to reach, therefore the antibiotics kill some but not all of the bacteria. Thus, long-term treatment could be necessary. Bacteria could be protected by biofilms or in cyst form- again making them less suceptible to antibiotics- or ANY OTHER treatment including rife.
I do not find that rife penetrates the body so deeply that it "gets" all the bacteria. My experience is that I have bacteria continuing to reside in some of my joints that was not touched by antibiotics because there is not a lot of blood flow to cartilidge. Furthermore, those areas are deep and protected by bone, thus it seems to me that rife doesn't penetrate as well. Accordingly, for most of us rifers here so far, it is a maintenance plan, not a complete treatment.
That being said, I am working, driving, parenting, in zero pain, without brain fog. My stomach isn't ripped to shreds from abx nor am I suffering sepsis infections in my IV line, all in all, I'll take rife (even with the undertainty) over all that.
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quote:Originally posted by Porsche: Now consider this; if rife did work there would not be a need to continue doing it forever and ever. If these frequencies did kill the organisms, they would all be dead after a single use. The frequencies resonate throughout the entire body, so how could any pathogen hide from it?
Well I am not sure anymore it works exact this way. based on recent info I read about EM (see my thread about Nordenstrom and Ling's cell theory) it could be different modality (it may actually just adjust the electrical flow trough EM induction, not really kill directly anything )
Besides it still not guarantee it kills all even if it kills it. Cystic and intracell forms are physically different and frequencies may not work on them as well as they do on spirochette
quote: All of the rife freq's have been derived from muscle testing (AKA A.R.T, or kineaseology), or some kind of purely subjective response from the patient. Any notable response from the patient could mean a number of things, one of which could just be EMF damage or sensitivity.
That part is not true. Albeit how those frequencies are derived is still black magic .Some frequencies are based on documentation from Royal Rife (and they are in MhZ range) . Most frequencies people use are in audio range and those are found out based on experience
There are some frequencies calculated based on DNA of pathogens (albeit I am not sure how reliable that method is )
Thing about rife is that it costs are relatively low. And it seems pretty harmless even if it doesnt work (unlike abx protocols which can cause all sort of problems )
I havent started reading Nordenstrom book yet (too much other stuff going on) , but from a few glances - its logical and convincing, he did variety of testing on animals which do show EM field variances
I am very skeptical but it does look to me that a huge area was simply ignored in mainstream. There ough to be more serious research in this area but while there is none ATM you have to do your own
p.s. I am not trying to say rife works - I dont know. Just saying that despite all my intentions to determine that anything like that can't work ( I was extremely skeptical at first) I couldn't find data to support it. In fact there are various information here and there that EM/Frequency fields do play a role, it is just their role is largely ignored
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That said, it is a free country and if people want to try things like rife, they should be allowed to. And if it seems to help, good for them. They are certainly not getting any help from mainstream medicine, or ins, or the govt.
Yup. Founding fathers should have put a clause in constitution about right to manage one own health. Because as it is now what you can and you can't do is determined by bureaucracies (FDA/AMA) who only really server the established mainstream and big pharma.
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I totally respect anyone's right to disagree and state their opinion but please make sure you speak from experience or state a fact.
I am sure you are just trying to help David out which we all are so I'm not trying to disrespect you here.
As a matter of fact, I love to hear both sides of any debate and I read everyone when I first made my choice.
We cannot choose for other people - we can only speak to what we have experienced. I am not a doctor so I would never recommend anyone do any particular treatment but I have been pretty sick and got better so I will definitely share how I did it if someone asks. And I would hope anyone else would too.
These are my real experiences:
...I only spent a years time on meds and a lot of that was pulsed. Not many years as you stated.
...I definitely used more than one thing - from my experience it takes multiple treatments but never at the same time. The reactions from rife were the same as meds without the yeast and additional problems.
...I was 100% well for 3 years, did absolutely no treatments and just got sick again after a new bite 2 months ago.
...I am treating the same way I did to get well previously and feel pretty close to 100% again after 8 weeks.
All My Best
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quote: The reactions from rife were the same as meds without the yeast and additional problems.
And what if one doesnt have reaction from meds ? - my biggest problem with this approach. How the heck do I tell if it works
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I'm certainly not as well versed on this subject as many of you but heres my story. diagnosed lyme/bart/babs/ehrl in may/09 currently on mepron/biaxin/ceftin/diflucan off plaquenil-too many side effs. for a few months now no major herxes just feeling of sickness all over 24/7 friend set me up w/someone who had cured wife w/coil machine after being one Burascano's original ptnts. after first session major herx. 2nd session horrible herx lasting 4 days 3 session we took slowly-major herx waiting til after holidays to have next trmt. during all of this i have continued on abx. don't know what the right protocol is Husband ordered Dcoil and should have it in 1 month. perhaps this will get me off the abx does it work- you tell me?
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I wish I could tell ya - I'd be guessing or lying if I told you anything - sorry.
Have you ever tried rife?
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Oh, it had been so peaceful lately.
Jola, slow down girl. Three sessions in how many days? I personally dropped abx cold turkey when I started using rife back in '04. I had to.
I've had numerous bites since. So it's a continual guessing game on which bacteria, virus or protoza I'm going after.
I've used levaquin maybe 3 months rotation for major GI issues that have happened last couple years from suspected bart sx.
Pam
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If you suffer long enough and can't find a solution via doctors, drinking **** or doing Rife, or committing suicide all become viable options with a debilitating case of this illness(s).
So does Rife work? Purchase a dark field microscope and other materials, educate yourself on microbiology using the abundant internet resources and local library, purchase a machine that patients claim is well established to work, and monitor the results under a microscope using systematic methods. Do the bacteria rupture and spin at the common frequencies that patients claim helps? Is your hypothesis verified or disproven? If in vitro evidence supports the claim, then it certainly suggests that in vivo "might" also work hypothetically. Is that enough to motivate you to run further testing or experiment on your self? Maybe, maybe not. There are ways to find the solution though if only there is willingness.
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Since I started this thread I've looked around. I've come to the conclusion that rife machines are complete BS. I base this on a number of things:
1) there's not so much as a scrap of info about stupid-simple testing. If rife machines can kill bacteria X it's trivial to setup a lab test with bacteria X in a test tube, put it in an electromagnetic field for period Y, and watch it die. Testing on lyme could be harder because BB is hard to grow in the lab, but lots of other bacteria that rife is supposed to kill is easy. The complete absence of this literature is extremely suspicious.
2) "Supporting" literature isn't. Pull up the pages of "studies" from rife.de and 90% of them have nothing to do with rife, or with studies of killing bacteria. If that's all they have for studies it looks very suspicious.
3) Studies that I find credible suggest that the applied electric/electromagnetic energy wouldn't be enough to kill bacteria under any circumstance
4) The "scientific justification" for the technology is that the frequencies required are calculated from the actual DNA of the bacteria. Bacteria are little things. The DNA inside them is many times smaller - submicron, I expect. The frequencies being quoted here are not related at all. A frequency with a wavelength of hundreds or thousands of meters isn't going to excite a .5 micron string of DNA in any meaningful way, at least not that I can see.
5) google "rife machine fraud" and you can find lots of stories of it not working. Of people dying by using it while their friends got better with abx.
Soooo....
If you think its helped you - terrific. I'll chalk it up to the healing power of the mind. I won't be spending a grand or two of my money on one though.
Thanks for all the input.
David
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David -- Just a thought, if pharmaceuticals couldn't make money on ABX even though there were people using it and getting some benefit, but there were others who didn't. Imagine 1 through 5 on your list. Based on the premise set above, I know I would be calling ABX a fraud based on my experience in some forum. ABX doesn't work for everyone. And if it isn't supported by science, many people will only do it for a short time and declare failure. In the ABX example you might need to continue for months before you see benefit.
Rife only works when you get the right frequencies and have a powerful enough unit to get deeper into the body.
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Wow this is making my head spin. I wish there was a simple solution for everyone regarding treatment. I am learning that what works for one may not work for another. It seems to be trial and error for everyone.
I do know that if abx don't work for me I am not giving up. I will try other treatments such as rife, absolutely.
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- David,
If you google "[anything], fraud" you will come up with lots of links, too.
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Jenny, absolutely one doesn't give up. That's why after three yrs of abx, every combo, early stages, IV and all rx'ed group of other tx from a well known LLMD...
I went elsewhere and opened my eyes, ears and heart. Outside of the box is trail and error.
It was so worth it. I was dying a slow painful death with traditional medicine.
Pam
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Looking back over the posting, in my opinion you were looking for reasons to discount it just by the people you were requesting answers from (those it had not helped)and throughout the post there was only one person that said it was not a big factor in their recovery. The other person in disagreement never mentioned trying it.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion and I definitely respect that - good luck and I hope you find something that helps you get well.
All My Best!
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On a post that was suppose to find who it didn't work for. I think there was only one person in this entire thread who honestly tried it with a good machine who felt iffy about it. Pretty amazing how you concluded based on this thread it is ineffective. How does one prove it doesn't work? If it doesn't work, your out 2k unless you sell it on craigslist. Don't understand the rationale for this thread either.
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- Looking back at all threads you started, David, it seems many of your posts discount the need for complex lyme treatments in general.
If you are a patient looking to get well, you can choose your own path. There is no need to fight patients about the paths they choose. There is no one one perfect plan that works all the time for everyone - and nearly every lyme patient is different from another with all the various coinfections, etc.
I hope you find what works for you but we all have better things to do than try to defend our existence and choices. If you really want to learn more, there are many things more to read. If not, just choose what path you think is best for yourself. -
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Sorry, folks, I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers here....
In investigating rife machines I'd like to find something - anything - other than testimonials. I just haven't found it. No lab work where it kills any sort of bacteria. Just nothing at all.
I'm glad people have used it and gotten better. More power to you! People will do a lot of things and "get better", and whether the thing had any causative effect or not is not clear.
lymeie_in_md: I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Antibiotics have many decades of lab testing with in-vitro concentration levels required to kill all manner of bacteria, and there are gigabytes of supporting documentation as to their effectiveness. That was #1 and 2 from my list. 3 and 4 clearly don't apply.
I'll grant you #5 without even bothering with google - I'm sure I'd get pages from searching on "fraud antibiotics". And I'll agree with Keebler that one could do so with any term.
Still, if one *reads* some of the pages about fraud and rife machines one won't find much in the way of defense other than "I have a stack of testimonials on my desk from happy customers".
Secondtimearound: I am looking for a reason to dismiss them, it can save me a lot of $$. Or a good reason to believe they work, which would give me reason to spend the $$. All I'm finding on the 'net is decades worth of testimonials and a complete lack of hard evidence. I, personally, want to see something more scientific than "it worked for me". You - all of you!! are entitled to you own opinion and comfort level. I have mine, and seeing cure X at least able to kill samples in the lab is a good place to start (for me).
Lastly, don't read much into my posts. Rather, don't try to discern much of my motivation from them. I've tried to help when I can in replies. As for threads that I start, I'm an unusual poster in that I'm not a chronic lymie desperate for help. I'm 90% sure I've got bart and lyme from last summer and have been on some abx for them since, and am seeking an LLMD in Maine. IE, I'm not (yet) chronic. Other threads I've started have been inquiring for other people with other levels of problems, very likely tick-bite related. One has serious neurologic issues that seem to be recovering some, one has some fairly serious physical issues in addition. Fortunately, however, none of them are nearly as bad as we've all heard about.
Jenny, I'm completely with you. If abx don't work for me I'll try all kinds of things too. Given mechanical tendencies and that oxygen is known to kill BB in the lab I'd be more inclined to build my own HBOT, but I'd try everything before I gave up. I expect to try them in what seems to me to be the best chance for success, and abx are at the top of that list:) While one is still alive there are more things to try:)
So peace to all. If a rife machine is right for you, go for it. I'd strongly suggest trying abx first, or at least in addition to abx, but that's just me:)
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- David,
Do you know how many thousands of lyme patients have no doctor, no way to get antibiotics? Or how many took them but5 could not tolerate?
Or how many did many rounds and still needed something different?
Sure, first line of treatment, abx can be a life-saver. But not everyone has access to such treatment. Many states have not even one LLMD and in many states, there are no GP's willing to treat at all; no ID docs willing, either.
After one trip out of state and tests, many patients are already broke and have no way to borrow against a zero bank account.
Also, antibiotic can be very hard on the liver, even with liver protection. Some do better than others for for those with liver damage, rife can be a life-saver, indeed.
Have you been able to find the works of Royal Rife about the machine in general? Some of that work is very interesting.
As for testimonials, the more people with positive experiences, the better. It gives hope and opens up doors for others who are struggling. And we learn from those who got knocked out and study the particulars.
Also, life itself is just one big experiment. Every day. Proceed with caution and become educated, of course . . . still, some things just have to be experienced before we know what works for us.
Even learning how to ride a bike could not be intellectualized but must be experienced. Falls happen but, eventually, we find our power and balance. -
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quote:Originally posted by David Miller: Since I started this thread I've looked around. I've come to the conclusion that rife machines are complete BS. I base this on a number of things:
That was my initial impression too .
quote: 1) there's not so much as a scrap of info about stupid-simple testing. If rife machines can kill bacteria X it's trivial to setup a lab test with bacteria X in a test tube, put it in an electromagnetic field for period Y, and watch it die.
quote: 3) Studies that I find credible suggest that the applied electric/electromagnetic energy wouldn't be enough to kill bacteria under any circumstance
I don't think it works by directly damaging bacteria,
Especially the book. Its a solid work fairly meticulously documenting in vivo research with EM fields on animals
And also read Ling's cell theory .It provides interesting angle on EM fields.
No doubt there is a lots more serious research needs to be done in this field before it can be proven how exactly it works on diseases and pathogens (if it works at all).
quote: 5) google "rife machine fraud" and you can find lots of stories of it not working. Of people dying by using it while their friends got better with abx.
Could you give more specific examples? -I do think there is lots of fraud though. And no one really knows how and why it works (if it does)
I am very skeptical by nature. But I do question mainstream approach. Mainly because since 1940-1950s (most antibiotics discoveries) there been practically no progress in treatment of chronical conditions .
Most of what is called "progress in medicine" was actually progress of chemistry, microbiology, imaging and surgery. I believe a lot of it is because modern medicine is not really a science but strictly for profit business.
There is a lot of research done but medicine does not change it ways (check out h pylori case , current situation with lyme) -medicine simply ignores any research which does not conforms to its rigid framework (framework which produced nothing in past 50 years)
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I would not expect anyone to really think frequency treatments could work without researching it first.
It is quite possible to try a machine without buying one first. Find someone in your region that has one, and try it.
No one here sells machines or has any motivation to promote them. In another words, the testimonials are honest interpretations of their experience. If you believe someone that says ABX saved their life, there is no difference if someone says frequency treatments saved their life.
Of course testimonials from people selling machines or drugs for that matter are suspect.
I notice that the lack of studies hold people back quite often. There will not be any U.S. studies in my lifetime. It will not happen.
There is no one in the medical community that would benefit from studies, and it would be rather threatening to the special interest groups that control health care in the U.S.
Think about it for a while. Are pharmaceutical companies going to do studies on a method of treatment that competes directly with their patented products?
Are doctors going to demand it? When the original Rife machines were in some hospitals, the doctors hated them. The patients did not want to see the doctor, they wanted to sit under the machine, because it helped more often than not.
I don't think that a majority of doctors are going to support the patient treating themselves, instead of coming to them. So I guess most doctors are happy without studies.
Is the government going to do the studies? Lets see, they are pretty much controlled by drug companies, and rely on them for research money.
The FDA actively hunts Rife machine manufacturers, and any doctor that uses them, as they have for over fifty years. No consumers complain about the machines, why are they so diligent on this minor business? Are they going to support studies? No, I don't think the government is going to do it.
Surely the manufacturers of Rife machines will do them. No, they sell them now, and studies do not really change anything for them. The machines are not patentable, anyone can sells them, studies or not. A billion or so to fund a study is hardly practical for an commodity product, that anyone can sell.
How many people have double blind studies before they go into a restaurant to eat, or buy a car, or house. How many of you had studies to back up your choice of a spouse?
If your intelligence, common sense and experience and the experience of others is good enough for most every other important decision you make, why is this faculty suddenly totally inadequate when it comes to your own medical treatment, and determining if it works?
The fact of the matter is you simply have been taught to defer to someone else for your thinking in this particular case. If you can tell when you are hungry, you certainly are capable of telling if you are improving from a disease. This is not complex or difficult. People do not get better for months and years based on a placebo effect. It is not even possible.
It is pretty hard to believe that the patient is unable to tell if they are improving. Isn't that one of the first things the doctor asks you? How are you feeling? I do not even know why he would ask, if it is not reliable.
If someone can tell if they are getting better on ABX, they certainly are just as capable of telling if frequency treatments are helping. There is no difference in feeling better using one treatment or another.
Once you are able to use your own good sense, then you are able to investigate alternative treatments. You are not in the same ballgame as with pharmaceuticals. The two are not measured the same, and never will be in the U.S.
All incentives are against any unprofitable, or unpatentable treatment getting proper studies. This is true of many treatments you have heard of before, that disappeared for lack of research money.
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alot of herxing but very little results.
everyones so different i hope it works for you
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I agree with Bergy. He's distilled it down to the core. Also, if you're still sick after a year, you've got Chronic Lyme Disease.
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I appreciate 5dana8's response because it is from actual use, and I want to hear real results from use, good or bad.
The fact that it caused a Herx, means it was killing Lyme, but some people do not get better from killing it. I am still puzzled by this common problem. I seem to see it a lot here, with many different treatments. Do you have some sort of idea of why this happens?
What have you found that works for you, or have you found a good treatment method yet?
Can you give some details on how you used the machine?
There is a good size group of people that are stuck in this circle of never getting better, and I think we should try nail down why this happens.
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Thank you Metallic and Dan and Keebler for your posts. Very well said. I agree completely.
For those like 5dana8 who say that is has not helped them, it would be wonderful to hear how many times you tried it and for how many minutes and what frequencies you used and for how many months you used it.
It is my understanding that you might not see any improvements for at least a couple of months or more, just as with abx in some cases.
My husband has been on abx for 2.5 years and improved somewhat initially but still has a constant headache and insomnia and fatigue. We are ready incorporate rife to see if we can turn the corner.
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quote: The fact that it caused a Herx, means it was killing Lyme,
Oh really? You have proof of this do you? This is such a false statement that it makes me cringe! There are a number of explanations for a herx type reaction from rife....the most likely one is from EMF exposure. Just like a lot of Lymies get sick from using a computer, they are going to have an even bigger reaction from the much stronger EM fields that a rife machine generates.
And then of course the true believers in this unproven Tx question Dana5's negative experience and chalk it up to user technique.
Listen folks, just cuz you ain't seeing a ton of negative responses from actual users doesn't mean that there isn't a long list of them. One comes to mind right off the top of my head that said she almost died from giving up abx and trying rife. Her name is Trish, and she goes by the name of Health on this board.
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quote: When the original Rife machines were in some hospitals, the doctors hated them. The patients did not want to see the doctor, they wanted to sit under the machine, because it helped more often than not.
Do you have some documentation on this? Probably just heresay that has been passed along through the rumor mill.
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quote: he FDA actively hunts Rife machine manufacturers,
Rife machines can be sold legitamately here in the US as long as they don't make a claim that it is doing something that it has not been proven to do...the same is true with supplements. The FDA is actually looking out for us by doing this.
If rife worked, it would be so easy to prove. Heck, even a High School lab student could do a simple test with infected mice that would show that it doesn't work. There is no doubt in my mind that these tests have been done by quite a few people that would indeed benefit from proving that rife was legite....but yet there is silence except for the testimonials and hype that is passed along for the desperate, because they are the ones that will spend the money.
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David -- I liked your response a great deal and I too very much appreciate many of the responses others had made. My response was hypothetical, about a world where they decided ABX wasn't worth testing. In that world imagine how 1 through 5 would be answered. Unfortunately a great many very good therapies are stuck in the profit making machine that is medicine. So good therapies have to be based on observation and communication not on evidentiary based science and publication.
It has been my view because evidentiary based science won't be used on many therapies, the lyme community organize itself into evaluation of supplements and therapies. We do this informally just like this thread to say "yeah it helped" or "no it didn't". If we were really good we do a better job of passing statistics from within the community more formally. We could also work with our LLMDs or LLNDs or buddy who knows a lot to get data.
So, I think we should all take the lyme community to the next level!
Oh, just a sample from the coffee enema thread, I thought was interesting. "I've been doing coffee enemas for years, but they didn't seem to help until I started KPU". Imagine this thought on the same line -- I've been doing rife for years and they didn't seem to help until I started to add detoxification. There are a lot of inter-relating therapies that have to be done in combination. Hopefully further justifying why we need to organize our results.
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quote: If rife worked, it would be so easy to prove. Heck, even a High School lab student could do a simple test with infected mice that would show that it doesn't work. There is no doubt in my mind that these tests have been done by quite a few people that would indeed benefit from proving that rife was legite....but yet there is silence except for the testimonials and hype that is passed along for the desperate, because they are the ones that will spend the money.
I note you said "doesn't" work instead of "does or doesn't." Clearly you've already drawn your own conclusions, which is just as much an assumption as ancedotal reports claiming it does.
Since it's so easy to prove, skeptics like yourself should do the research to confirm or disprove what other patients are experiencing or claiming. A number of patients have done research and demonstrated it worked using laboratory equipment, but they didn't "publish" papers for peer review. Why not give Doug Mclean a phone call, he did research on it as well as scientific evaluation for it. He gladly talks to physicians, researchers and patients who have questions. He doesn't sell anything, all his advice is free, and his tech specs for building the Doug Coil are open source and available to the public for free. Same with Dan Tracy. I'm sure they'd be more than willing to help you understand what tools and materials you'd need to evaluate your hypothesis.
Most of the people here apparently don't need proof since most of them are feeling better, but you and Dave and others do. Given that fact, you're the ones who would be most believable if your results did support it.
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quote:Most of the people here apparently don't need proof since most of them are feeling better, but you and Dave and others do. Given that fact, you're the ones who would be most believable if your results did support it.
Apparently proof for you is a few positive testimonials from people on the internet that may or not even be real. But this testimonial proof that you deem so valuable doesn't hold any water when it is negative? For you, If a few claim that it is working, then it is working. But it is still working in your mind when others say that it didn't help them. A bit of a double standard I'd say.
I haven't even said that I never tried it, you just assumed that I haven't because I am speaking negatively about it. I have actually used rife. I did it for a couple of years with and without abx. I made the decision to buy a machine in the beginning of my treatment because I didn't want to use abx. I didn't mention my experience before because it shouldn't matter. After all, it's only a testimony. The evidence speaks for itself, or the lack of evidence I should say. I would not buy a machine if I had it to do all over again.
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My machine came with a huge sticker on it "For animal use only". They are only FDA approved on animals. So I use mine on the animal(s).
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So Porsche you spent money for a treatment modality that wasn't successful. Do you feel you were duped into selecting a dead end?
I'm hoping you're not angry at others who you feel might have led you astray? I've done some things along the way that hindered my progress where I had hopes it would help. It does make you question others motives at times.
And if you have a huge list of folks who it hadn't helped could you compile one and post.
I agree with you, that it would be great to have proof one way or another registered in a medical journal or discussable by doctors. it's unlikely to ever happen. the same could be said for many herbals or homeopathy.
I've never used rife, however, that doesn't mean I don't think it has role in getting folks well. I've use many different items including MMS in getting well, which I believe is helpful. And yes I'm 100% well, I'm in the nat'l cap lyme support group. People know me there, my profession, and my transition in health as well as my motivations (specifically to help find a cheaper more expedient way for folks to get past this disease). I've learned to more totally trust alternatives over conventional. That's been my experience...
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I give both negative and positive reports based on actual experience. I have no reason to make up results.
I do not think others make up results either, good or bad. Of course any single person could fabricating a story, but most people will give an honest appraisal.
Four years of experience tell me that a herx is from spirochetes dying, whether from frequencies, antibiotics, herbs whatever. It is not really that difficult to tell the difference between and adverse reaction and a Herx.
I think it is kind of amusing that while frequency treatments are on one hand considered useless, and not powerful enough to do anything. Yet they are fully capable of causing only a negative effect at the same time.
I never experience a herx, since I do not have Lyme. I always test myself first, to separate an adverse reaction from a Herx.
If a treatment of any kind did not work for someone there obviously is a reason. If you do not find out the reason, then you are pretty much stuck. it seems logical to try find out the reason for failure of any treatment that works for others.
I have done the research, and anyone else can do it also. I am not interested in proving anything. You can use it, or not. It makes no difference to me. I just report the results obtained from the treatments, good or bad.
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Interesting and promising! This was the same doctor that was at one of the local lyme support meetings and was very impressive!
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1) It sounds like promising research 2) I wish him the absolute best in his efforts. I'd love to see some sort of electromagnetic solution to some/many/most/all of the things that afflict us. 3) What he's finding pretty well confirms what we naysayers have been saying. Unless I don't understand how rife machines work; my understanding is that they work with a single frequency at a time. Holland says:
``I began to try different frequencies, and at first nothing happened. Then I tried putting more than one frequency into the organism simultaneously.'' Then a light bulb went on for Dr. Holland. ``If I added one additional frequency, in a special relationship to the first frequency, I'd be creating more power and have a better chance at landing on the frequency necessary to change the organism,'' Dr. Holland says. ``When I added the eleventh harmonic, I looked through the microscope and discovered that the microorganism had shattered. It reminded me of how a crystal glass shatters when a soprano hits just the right note.''
11! different frequencies at the same time with some odd harmonic doing the trick. That doesn't describe the sort of rife machines I've heard about.
4) It calls into question the whole medical industry would never ever let something like this come into existence attitude that seems common here. I understand that we're here pretty much because politics within the medical community has denied us the research and care we should be receiving, but we can't paint "them" all with the same broad brush.
In reality, if someone could cure cancer with electromagnetic therapy of some kind they'd win a Nobel.
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Two frequencies, one frequency and the eleventh harmonic of that frequency. He also is using a machine with about 200 Watts of power, more than most of the machines we are using.
Rife used one carrier frequency and one other specific frequency that either destroyed or disabled a pathogen.
Laboratory tests do not have the benefit of an active immune system which probably does much of the work.
Cancer is one of the more difficult diseases for this method. Some recover very quickly, others do not and die from the disease anyway.
If I had Cancer, I would use frequency treatments, but I would also use several other methods to attempt to cure it.
Pancreatic Cancer is almost 100% fatal, so even if it works ten percent of the time, it will be a big help.
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I believe rife works. I've used my GB-4000 twice, on Candida frequencies only. I have Candida in my guts,; it causes problems. I can hear it, and the problems are not subjective, they are objective.
Each time i used it, first my forehead fog cleared; , then it got very dense, much worse than usual; then the next day, my guts did not have the usual objective candida problems.
After the first time i used it, i waited 5 days, by which time the problems were back to the usual problematic condition. So i would have to rife more frequently to keep the candida down. (I also take everything i can think of, as candida remedies, but nothing works if i fail to keep a strict diet.)
Sorry to inject another testimonial,
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In reading the article from Jefferson. It is exactly what royal rife did in the thirties. He got a very high powered microscope and observed and documented how his frequency generator affected organisms. He also discovered that certain frequencies blow up the organisms. Similar to the guote from the Jefferson's Phd "shattering like glass".
I've never used rife, but I did use an LED another form of EM therapy. I'm 100% well today. However, I really feel a combination of rife and LED would be more powerful. Even possibly adding a medical tuning fork in the mix.
My point is the great number of options in the realm of frequency generators. There should be greater research in all these areas and in combination.
And like homeopathy, I wouldn't get any hope of this getting any real serious research. It will get squashed by the orthodoxy.
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quote: I am using rife with no other supplements or alternative treatments and I am symptom free. And I know many others with similar experiences. Plus I've had 3 MDs tell me off the record that it works.
Now compare it to what she says here in a recent post:
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Author Topic: uh oh, I overdid it catskillmamala LymeNet Contributor Member # 12536 posted 01-02-2010 09:55 AM01-02-2010 09:55 AM
Hmm. Hoping this isn't a relapse. I overdid it. In the last two weeks I:
1) ate sugar (cheesecake, reese's peanut butter cups, christmas cookies, chocolate bar, chocolate cake)
2) chewed sugarless gum (has bad sweeteners) three times
3) worked like a dog packing my house for a move for 2 days straight
4) painted my husband's office in the new house
5) let my daughter and son sleep in the bed with me so I had a really, really bad night of sleep
6) drank an alcoholic drink (straight vodka) on 2 nights
Now, I am having extreme fatigue, major arthritic joint pain in hands and wrists, and trouble moving my arms and legs. I feel like the connection between my brain and my limbs isn't working right. Major sound sensitivity and touch sensitivity and I can barely tolerate being around my family. UGGGGHHH.
I am not on abx, and haven't rifed since Monday. I will probably do so today.
The first post makes her look like the poster child for rife. But then after 4 days of no rife and doing a few things that are considered normal, she has just fallen in a heap! She goes on to say :
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Your "observation" that people on rife are going down hill should be backed up by links.
Thanks for the advice, and for this example. I haven't bothered to do this in the past, but this is fresh in my mind right now, and you have given me the opportunity to back up my observations for those that haven't already made the mistake of purchasing a machine yet. At some point in the future, you will most likely be back on abx in order to get stable again, even if it's only for a month, or 2, or 3. I doubt though if you will be posting that info from now on.
It should also be noted that ``major arthritic joint pain in hands and wrists, and trouble moving my arms and legs. I feel like the connection between my brain and my limbs isn't working right. Major sound sensitivity and touch sensitivity and I can barely tolerate being around my family `` are symptoms of Bart, Lyme, and other active infections. These are not Sx's one gets from simply doing a normal amount of work, and eating a few holiday goodies. So if this is your proof that rife is working for you, then you've fallen short as far as I'm concerned.
60 minutes did a piece a few months ago about a man that was using a rife type machine to kill cancer. It may or may not be the same thing as the jeffereson article posted above. I didn't download the article to check it out. But in either case, the man with cancer did make a remarkable recovery for a while. He did relapse however, and ended up dying, even after repeating the exact procedure that he believed had cured him the first time. You may think that his initial success proves that rife does work, but it's more likely that it was a placebo effect. I say that because this guy BELIEVED that it was going to work...and so it finally did after a sh**t-load of attempts. But then the results could not be repeated when he relapsed shortly after his initial recovery. Why was that? I think that it was because he had some doubt in his mind the 2nd time.
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Porsche,
Catskill never claimed to be fully cured. It is my understanding that she is still in treatment. You should know by now that anyone with Lyme (no matter on what treatment protocol) can have relapses, particularly when they are not sleeping or eating well, so I don't really see the point you are making.
Believe what you want, but you have no credibility trashing something until you TRY IT YOURSELF! That's what this poster was looking for...actual experiences with it.
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Catskill never claimed to be fully cured. It is my understanding that she is still in treatment. You should know by now that anyone with Lyme (no matter on what treatment protocol) can have relapses, particularly when they are not sleeping or eating well, so I don't really see the point you are making.
Believe what you want, but you have no credibility trashing something until you TRY IT YOURSELF! That's what this poster was looking for...actual experiences with it.
tickbattler , scroll up a bit and read all of my posts because you missed something. You should also read my remarks on this thread:
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OK, you got me...I see buried at the bottom of your 4th post in this thread that you finally acknowledge trying rife.
Why not post that up front in your first post with a detailed description of how often you actually used it and whether you herxed or felt anything during the sessions, your treatment durations, and other relevant details? That information might actually be useful for us all.
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This debate has been like this for years here and it should so people hear both sides.
For Me:
I'll keep my machines and am interested in your machine Porsche if it is a GB4000 and still available (I am serious).
The truth is and I don't mean this in a bad or cold way - I really don't care if someone uses one or not it is totally up to that person. I make no money from anything associated with lyme disease and never will - that was one of them little promises I made in private when I couldn't get out of bed - I'm sure most people know what I mean: if I can just get better, I promise....
If you are around here long enough most people see that there are no guarantees that antibiotics,herbs or anything actually cure anyone - some are cured, all - no way.
Not everything works for everyone - for me and I made it back to 100% the last time and I'm pretty close now (after a new bite) my rife machines are a major tool in the battle.
All My Best
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D Bergy
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The Kanzius frequency treatment does not operate on the same principle as Rife frequency treatments, and Kansius did not die of Cancer to begin with.
John Kanzius died from pneumonia on February 18, 2009, aged 64, at a hospital near Sanibel, Florida, where he had a winter home. The pneumonia developed as complication after two recent rounds of chemotherapy.
He died as a direct result of standard Chemotherapy, not because of his frequency treatment, and not of Cancer.
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quote: He died as a direct result of standard Chemotherapy, not because of his frequency treatment, and not of Cancer.
Yes, but he had his own high powered rife machine in his garage where he experimented on himself. He finally went into remission during this process. Then he relapsed and could not stop the cancer with rife, so had to try more chemo.....then he died.
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He had a frequency generator, but never ran any Rife type Cancer frequencies. He never used Rife treatments. That is just plain false by any measure. You find no mention of Rife concerning his treatment method. He may not even have been aware of Rife. If he was, he never mentioned him.
His treatment was with localized hyperthermia, using nano Gold particles which would be heated by the frequencies. More similar to radiation treatment, without the side effects.
There is no hyperthermic effect using Rife frequency treatments. The machines are not powerful enough to produce heat.
The Kanzius treatment is completely different experimental treatment still in the development stage.
I am not sure how this relates to Lyme and Rife type frequency treatments, as they are different treatments and different diseases.
As with all treatments, sometimes they work, and sometimes they do not. Especially true when dealing with Cancer.
Dan
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map1131
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I believe it's time to hit the ignore button. Don't waste your time with some people. They sure remind me of someone from our past????????????
Pam
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Heh heh....thanks for the laugh. If you want to split hairs, then yes, he used a frequency generator, which is what everyone else here is using. All those CAFL frequencies that people claim are helping them are not rife frequencies either, but rife is the word that has been used because the promoters of this scam have nothing else that's credible that they can use to sell their machines.
quote:His treatment was with localized hyperthermia, using nano Gold particles which would be heated by the frequencies. More similar to radiation treatment, without the side effects.
This is what he was devoloping with the help of others. He didn't use this procedure on himself because it might have jeopordized the project. It wouldn't have worked on his type of cancer anyways. But he did indeed use a frequency generator on himself using rife like frequencies.
You know where this very small rife following would be without the internet and all it's fake identities to keep it going? Absolutely no where. Rife's a zero, and zero times anything always equals zero. Rife X DNA (what a joke) freq = zero
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