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Wonderful news, Gary!
Did Dr. J suggest that you continue with some of the therapies, like the detox foot baths?
I'd like to make a suggestion, and I certianly won't be offended in any way if you - or other posters - don't like the idea.
My suggestion is to change the name of your thread to include the word "Hansa", or some other word that easily identifies the topic of the thread.
This thread could be so helpful to any others out there wishing to learn about the center in KS and/or Dr. J's method, and changing the title of the topic would make it much easier to find this thread by doing a search at LymeNet.
What do you think?
Keep up the continued success!
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Tracy, as per your suggestion, I changed the name of the thread to include the word Hansa. I went ahead and put the full name Hansa Center on there since that's the name of the clinic. Thanks for suggesting this.
Yes, Dr J suggested I find a place that has foot detoxes and some of the other therapies I had at the Hansa Center and continue with them. I've only found one place that has some of the therapies here in our city.
I'm going to continue looking to see if I can find places that do some of the other therapies. I doubt I'll find a place that offers all the treatments and equipment their clinic has as it's pretty pricy stuff.
The S-T8 Lymph Drainage Therapy is something I'd like to continue if possible. That's powerful equipment. I had a bad sinus infection while I was there. They put the equipment on my cheeks and neck and in the next two days the infection was gone.
Although, it's not required, I do plan to return to the clinic in a couple of months to be reevaluated and continue with some more treatments and therapies. Wish we didn't live so far from the center as I would go more often if we were closer.
Later today I will post the remedies I'm taking because I know some people are curious about this.
Thanks so much for your support and encouragement!
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And thank YOU and Rhonda for all the helpful info that may be beneficial to someone else.
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I wanted to ask about the Ionic Foot cleanses.... I was all into this until I watched a video on youtube where a man had an ionic foot cleanse and placed a carrot in the bath, and the water STILL came up brown and muddy with things floating around..
it is about 6 videos I think... but it defintely proved that what is comeing out is NOT from our bodies.. I mean, all that was in there was a carrot and teh SAME thing happened as if feet were in there... this really depressed me as I tend to go for the alternative.. and this made me mad/sad and confused...
Anyway, I am very happy for your improvements at Hansa center!! I hope you continue to improve!
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I'm not sure the carrot proves anything at all. It's hard to compare feet with carrots.
Here's a pdf file comparing heavy metal content in ionic cleanse water after running it with feet in it, and also WITHOUT feet in it. See what you think.
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Wonder if that means the carrot wasn't organic? Posts: 2188 | From Oklahoma | Registered: May 2008
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Tracy - can't thank you enough for that link even though it is from one of those wild + crazy Doctors of Chiropractic !
There are many idiotic things on the net, and comparing the water color with + without feet in is IMO pretty idiotic. Well, maybe not pretty but very idiotic
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When Gary was at the Center I did the IonCleanse. Mine was different than Gary's in that I had more black flecks (that is the toxins from cellular--EMF (ElectroMagnetic Fields)--kind of stuff). It makes sense as on my job I wear a headset! I want to get a headset that doesn't destroy my brain. Yikes.
I am really checking into the EMF stuff. It makes sense to me. Pretty scarry though.
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quote:Originally posted by UnexpectedIlls: I wanted to ask about the Ionic Foot cleanses.... I was all into this until I watched a video on youtube where a man had an ionic foot cleanse and placed a carrot in the bath, and the water STILL came up brown and muddy with things floating around..
it is about 6 videos I think... but it defintely proved that what is comeing out is NOT from our bodies.. I mean, all that was in there was a carrot and teh SAME thing happened as if feet were in there... this really depressed me as I tend to go for the alternative.. and this made me mad/sad and confused...
Anyway, I am very happy for your improvements at Hansa center!! I hope you continue to improve!
Yes, I saw that video too. I've read the websites that claim ionic foot baths are scams, etc. There is a lot of controversy about this treatment. There is also evidence (search google) that prove that ionic foot baths do indeed detox our bodies.
While I was at the clinic, I said to the gal who does the ionic foot baths, "I wonder what would happen if you just put the ionic device in the water without anyone's feet in it, would the water still change colors?" She said, "good question, let's do it and see what happens". I was surprised she was willing to volunteer to do that. She admitted that she had no idea what the outcome would be as she's never done it before.
She set up the tub with water and put the ionic device in for thirty minutes while I was next to it using the ionic foot bath. In 30 minutes the water did change colors, it was basically a burnt orange color, but and there was no gunk coming out of it. My tub had changed to a dark greenish/black color and had pieces of gunk and stringy like things in it that the other tub did not have.
The reason the water changed colors in the empty tub (my understanding) was because the water itself is polluted to some extent. They don't use distilled water, they use tap water that comes from the city. You have to use water with minerals in it for it to work effectively. I saw with my own eyes the dramatic difference between my foot bath and the gunk that came out of it as opposed to the empty tub that had only changed to a burnt orange color--with no gunk.
My wife was getting a detox at the same time and she had gunk coming out of her feet that was totally different than mine. Her water color was not quite as dark as mine was either, except for some black specks that came out of her. They also did my hands on another day and the water changed colors, but it didn't get very dark, however, there was some white stringy substances coming out of them (probably yeast).
A fellow sitting next to me was having his hands done. His water turned to a dark greenish color with gunk coming out of them. The gal who takes care of the ionic baths said she rarely sees that much gunk and color change when people have their hands in the ionic bath. His hands were putting out as much gunk and toxins as my feet were.
About the carrot, well, the way I see it, the carrot is pulled from the ground (dirt), so I would expect that it would pull any dirt and toxins that remained in it. It kind of makes sense that a carrot would have dirt and toxins come out of it since it comes from the dirt--right?
Anyway, whether or not the ionic foot bath is a legitimate way to detox or not, I'm no expert, so I really can't say with scientific certainty one way or the other. I can only tell you what I saw being demonstrated while I was there. I can also tell you that I left the clinic feeling much better than when I arrived.
Of course, the ionic foot bath was only a small part of the many treatments I had over the course of two weeks. How much of a role it played in my healing process, I have don't know. I was detoxified with a number of different treatments, including the infrared sauna. The various homeopathic and herbal remedies I was given also help my body to detoxify.
Bottom line is this, I got better and continue to get better since I left the clinic. Even if the ionic foot bath did me no good (I think it did), at least all the other treatments proved to be effective for me, and I continue to reap the benefits from it today.
If you'd like to know more about the treatments I had, such as the ST-8 Lymph Drainage Therapy, infrared sauna, etc, you can go to their website and learn more about their equipment and treatment methods. I plan to list the various homeopathic and herbal remedies I'm on later tonight when I have more time.
By the way, I'm not trying to defend the ionic foot as a legitimate scientific method for detoxifying. I'm a skeptic by nature, and I admit, I'm still a little skeptical about it. I encourage people to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. I plan to do more research on this eventually because I'm curious and want to educate myself more on this.
Gary
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why is it idiotic? I don;t want to get into debate... but weather the carrot was organic or not the water turned thick brown and had flecks and all the stuff that occurs when FEET are in it, which is supposedly caused by toxins and metals.. I guess that little carrot had metals and massive amoints of toxins in it...
I do not want to take away from the purpose of this thread, I was just upset because it was something i believed in... and I was kind of devastated by it.. kind of like a lot of other things I believed in (alternatve) that have let me down
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Thank you!!! I am sorry, I do not want to take away from your thread.. I apologize. I was just really upset by that video and some of the research I have been doing on it.
I am SO thrilled that you are feeling better!!! I LOVE to hear when people heal, no matter WHAT it took them to get there!!
I will keep researching and am actually going to try the foot bath myself!
Peace & Blessings!
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quote:Originally posted by UnexpectedIlls: I was posting at the same time gary!
Thank you!!! I am sorry, I do not want to take away from your thread.. I apologize. I was just really upset by that video and some of the research I have been doing on it.
I am SO thrilled that you are feeling better!!! I LOVE to hear when people heal, no matter WHAT it took them to get there!!
I will keep researching and am actually going to try the foot bath myself!
Peace & Blessings!
No need to apologize. I appreciate you bringing this up as it causes us all to think twice about what we do. I think it's important we be diligent in researching everything, especially as it relates to lyme disease treatments, etc. There's so many gimmicks out there, and there's a lot of people who would (and do) take advantage of people like us who are always looking for a way to get better.
It's important we all keep searching until we find the path and treatment that's right for us. Sadly, the traditional abx route didn't work for me. This protocol, that I was so skeptical about, is working and helping me to get better.
It may not work for everyone, but if people have spent years on abx and haven't gotten better, I would say it's time to consider alternative therapy.
In fact, with what I know now, I would have chosen to first be treated with the protocol I'm on now rather than start with abx. But like I said, everyone has to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. I just wish I would have known about this protocol much sooner that I did.
Anyway, I hope and pray things get better for you too!
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Unexpected - did you look at the link Tracy posted ?
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You may have wondered about Gary's experience regarding herxes. I was shocked Gary did not go through terrible herxes at the Center and as he says, so far, not at home either.
Myself, having had Lyme Disease and experiencing some bad herxes that put me in bed (sometimes for days) and sent me to the ER (only once--I determined I'd never go back to the ER again) I could only imagine what he might experience at the clinic.
We were both pleasantly surprised.
Dr. J writes in his book, "A Herxheimer reaction (herx) is a sign of a poor treatment plan and is unnecessary. A herx greatly increases the toxic load on the body, at its worst it can kill an illness-weakened patient outright. A herx can temporarily or permanently disable the body, mind and spirit."
WOW, that's something to think about.
Needless to say, Gary's daily protocol (approximately 9 AM - 4 PM, we did take a lunch break) included a daily visit with the doctor for evaluation, testing and treatments by the doctor; as well as treatments and therapies using different equipment; thereby focusing on both of Dr. J's protocol goals: building the integrity of the body and detoxing the body. I almost chose a graemlin here but decided against it (even though it would have been perfect).
In the past five years, Gary's LLD, LLMD or MDs would see him for a visit (probably similar to what you've experienced) for a 1/2 hour or even 1 hour, update his records, abx and abx schedule, then have his secretary schedule an appointment for anywhere from one month to three months later for follow-up. Unfortunately, Gary was not getting better (you already know that).
Going to the Center and being treated for ten full days seems to really have "jump started" (for lack of better words) Gary's recovery. And of course, we do believe in the power of prayer and thank everyone who has prayed and continues to pray for Gary.
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"Dr. J writes in his book, "A Herxheimer reaction (herx) is a sign of a poor treatment plan and is unnecessary. A herx greatly increases the toxic load on the body, at its worst it can kill an illness-weakened patient outright. A herx can temporarily or permanently disable the body, mind and spirit." "
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Got this email the other day about the hansacenter
Announcement from Dr J Hansa Center for Optimum Wellness Wednesday, January 27, 2010 Hansa Center 12219 East Central Wichita, KS 67206 316-686-5900 www.hansacenter.com
Dear Paul,
Dr. J went to Washington D.C. at a healthcare summit to meet with the U. S. Surgeon General, as well as Dean Ornish, M.D., and other key figures in conventional and alternative health care to work at integrating natural medicine philosophies and treatments into mainstream medicine and hospitals.
With President Obama's struggles to create a more effective healthcare system and with the present global economic crisis, Dr. J has decided to help those in need with his own version of an ``Economic Stimulus Package'' by creating a completely new concept...
An All-Inclusive 2 week (10 day) Intensive Treatment Program that saves you up to $4000 and includes 40+ hours of all of his customized testing, treatments, and therapies...this even includes all of the natural remedies and supplements you might need...it even includes daily therapeutic massage therapy!
This stimulus is only a short term pilot study at this time and is admitting only 200 participants. The doctors and staff are highly motivated to give you the best results in the shortest amount of time and will be excited to be able to report the results at the end of this pilot study.
So call today to be included in this program to provide the best healthcare possible on the planet.
Please forward this email to your friends and family. Thank You.
When you register with Hansa Center, tell them Dr Sara sent you! We are having such an overwhelming immediate response to Dr.Jernigan's "Economic Stimulus Package!" There have been numerous questions from the people who have called concerning the details of the All-Inclusive 2-Week Treatment program. We want to answer some of these questions. Who can qualify to be a part of this pilot study?
Any person with any chronic symptoms who are not improving with conventional or alternative treatments.
Who does not qualify to be a part of this pilot study?
Any person suffering from suicidal tendencies, severe psychological disorders, late stage cancer, anyone without the ability to get themselves on and off the treatment/therapy tables
When must I schedule?
If you are accepted into the program, payment for the full program secures your participation. We understand many are coming from out-of-state and out-of-country so we understand that the actual arrival will be determined by your flights. The program is for a 2 week all-inclusive intensive plan of care with Hansa Center for a flat rate ot $5000.00. This does not include travel, hotel, food, car or anything outside of the clinic.
What is included in the program?
The program includes all in-house treatments, testing, therapies, remedies and supplements that may be needed during the 2 week intensive program. Due to the nature of illness only those therapies and treatments that are determined by our doctors as being appropriate for your unique condition will be utilized. Example: If someone has a condition that would be aggravated by using the Infrared Sauna then the therapy will not be included in their care.
How do I get started? To be included as part of this pilot study you must call and request to be included. Pre-Payment of the $5000 secures your inclusion, and for you to schedule as soon as possible.
What is the purpose of the pilot study?
We intend to keep statistical data to document many different parameters to demonstrate what we hope will be the rapid and dramatic improvements possible using American Biological Medicine. We will be tracking items such as the total number of symptoms in the 200 people who are accepted into the program and the percent of improvement on a daily basis during the 2-week period and beyond.
The results of this pilot study will be analysed and published in various journals and hopefully will be entered into Presidential healthcare committee review to include greater insurance industry coverage of natural medicine
Just to let you know. I have reported your post to the moderators. I feel it is advertising which is not allowed on this forum. If you want to post a link -- that would probably be ok, but the moderators would have to decide.
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Have never heard you say and am very curious as to which tick-borne infections Dr J thought you have? Does he think you only have Lyme or does he think you have other coinfections?
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An individual who has Lyme with the same results as Gary--even though being treated continues to go down hill--shared with us that Dr. J's approach sounds like it has many advantages over the standard protocol.
For Gary it seems to most certainly be working for him, and we'll continue to keep you posted.
That individual's comment caused me to go back and read my "Lyme Success Story" which I posted on Lymenet.
In a nutshell: I suffered for one year and four months before I saw my first LLMD (in Missouri) and started abx treatments. Actually I was lucky, I know others (like Gary) who have suffered a lot longer than that before finally getting diagnosed.
Thirteen months after starting abx I was in remission. I just accepted the fact that I would never be back to normal (my body was tired, weak--no more hiking or jogging for me).
Two years later Lyme symptoms returned full blown. Visit to a new LLMD (in Texas). Back on abx. Added exercise to my treatment. Seven months later symptom free. Walking, jogging and riding my bike!
5 1/2 years after tick bite, and one relapse later, I finally had my life back--that was April 2009. And I realize again 5 1/2 years I am lucky, many people suffer 10, 15, 25, 30 years and never do get better.
I share the above with you all to make this point:
Even though I did get better on the abx protocol--When I consider 1) the suffering I went through before getting a diagnosis, plus the continued suffering while being treated (also I had herxes); 2) add to that the money factor, such as days I missed work because I was sick, money spent seeing MDs, going to ER, seeing my LLMDs, abx's and supplements, not to mention hotels, meals out, etc (and I haven't even mentioned how this affected our social life or family get togethers)...
If I could have had my life back sooner than the 5 1/2 years it took, I would have jumped at the chance. When I see how good Gary is doing on Dr. J's protocol I think that could have been a very real possibility for me.
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I cannot believe Paul is getting reported to the Mods... he was sharing a email he got.. he posts here all the time.. I think that was HIGHLY unwarranted.
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BUT it was determined By Dr J that my two root canals were morphing the bacteria and need to be pulled before i would get well.
So when i got back home I went and saw a biological dentist and my two root canals pulled and 7 silver fillings replaced all in one sitting. Went real well
When the dentist pulled the rooot canals she screamed OMG no wonder why your so sick- The where full of bacteria
if you need dental work i can PM you one of the best biological denist in the ccountry
I see you live in NE..I live in mass and the dentist is in mass
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I must have missed something....
Thanks for posting the email from the Center, Paul.
Since you're not affiliated with the Center and get no benefit from posting the email, I don't think there should be a problem.
The only people that stand to benefit are those who might be able to take advantage of the offer.
Anyway, Bea, the idea that you must herx if you are eradicating infectious organisms (killing spirochetes) is a premise somewhat peculiar to 'orthodox medicine'.
In other systems of medicine, if the patient is suffering from the treatment, then it is the job of the practitioner to modify the treatment in such a way as to eliminate the suffering but continue the healing.
It's very do-able but requires that the practitioner be involved and 'manage the case'. This is often the missing component when patients experienced prolonged herxing on homeopathic medicines. Prolonged herxing isn't necessary, but it's a lot easier for the practitioner to just allow it to happen. Sad but true.
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Bea - per Dr. K + Dr. U who studied a lot with Dr. K - herxes are from the toxins released from the funny bug, not the bug itself.
That is why the detox organs need to be in the best shape they can be in before "kill kill kill" takes place.
Liver, Large Intestine, Lymphatic system, Lung, Kidneys, Spleen, (+ 1 my lymebrain is blanking on) get the junk out.
Some lymies have livers (most important body organ) that CANNOT process toxins correctly so the gunk just gets pretty much constantly recycled.
There are ways to help specific organs get healthier to "handle the load" better.
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quote:Originally posted by f13girl: Do you have an update on your trip to Hansa center?
If you go to my post on 28 January, 2010 12:06 AM, you will see my update from that post on down. Rhonda, my wife, aka daisyrlb, (the one who puts all those crazy graemlins in her posts) also posts from her perspective too.
I am trying to get together the list of homeopathic/herbal and supplements that I'm on now since I promised to list all of them on here. However, we got hit with a big winter storm, ice/snow, so that's been keeping me busy, plus trying to get caught up on things in my office that I've gotten way behind on.
I will do my best to get the list of remedies posted on here later today.
By the way, today is the seventh day since I left the center for treatment and I'm still doing great. Perfect? No, but it's wonderful to feel good again! I'm liking this.
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Gary, thank you for sharing your journey. Yesterday I finally got around to reading this thread.
I remember (will always) when I too felt like I was truly dying. I had been on abx 3 yrs and was getting no where, in fact I was getting worse.
I made a decision at that time to open my heart, mind and soul to other protocols and went alternative. Sometimes you just have to do what is necessary for you and forget the money issues with treatment.
Dying is not an option. Feeling like death is not an option.
I'm not cured by any means....but I'm not dying and I know how to care for myself now and typically don't feel like death unless I do something stupid or life has handed me something I can't handle.
I hope your story will give others hope that they don't have to stay in lyme & company hell.
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quote:Originally posted by seibertneurolyme: Gary,
Am very glad that you continue to feel well.
Have never heard you say and am very curious as to which tick-borne infections Dr J thought you have? Does he think you only have Lyme or does he think you have other coinfections?
Bea Seibert
Bea, Dr. J has copies of my medical files, including my Western Blot test, test for Babs, and an assortment of other tests from various doctors as well. My previous LLMD tested me for Babs only as he felt that was probably the only other co-infection I had at the time.
The test for babs turned out negative but my previous LLMD felt that the test was inaccurate and that he assumed I did have babs. Since we can't really rely on testing results (as you well know) and since lyme disease it's primarily a clinical diagnosis, it's really difficult to know what co-infections I may or may not have.
It's interesting that I would go to two LLMD's (within a five year time span) and both of them could not tell me with any degree of certainty what co-infections I have or don't have. Dr J, through his BRS testing, was able to determine which specific homeopathic remedies my body needed.
He put together several remedies according to the frequency testing he did on me. Bottom line--the homeopathic and herbal remedies, along with the supplements I'm taking, are helping me to feel better than I've felt since I've been treated for this disease. That's something that five years of antibiotics from LLMD's never accomplished. (I'm not being critical of my previous LLMD's or antibiotics. I'm simply stating the facts as it applies to me).
I thought I'd go ahead and list one of the remedies I'm taking now. Below is some information about this product that I copied from his website. I plan to list the other remedies later tonight--hopefully!
* Microbojen�
--Like all of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas, Microbojen�is frequency matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems, like all manner of microbes... viruses, bacteria, parasites, fungi, prions, and mycoplasma.
Microbojen� was initially developed in an effort to prepare for the worst-case scenario of biological warfare. Bio-Resonance Scanning was used to simulate the worst condition we could think of.
We simulated that a condition of smallpox, anthrax, HIV, hepatitis B and C, West Nile Virus, Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), Cytomegalovirus (CMV), Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, and Bubonic plaque all at the same time. This is how Microbojen� was developed. Microbojen�, has been highly effective at producing a supercharged crystalline matrix in the body that could stand against an attack from a wide range of the world's worst ``designer microbes.''
The end result of this research is Microbojen�. It just so happen to test amazingly well against the ``just as evil'' microbe...Lyme spirochetes and their partners, Babesia microti, Ehrlichia and the many viruses found in chronic sufferers.
In a small, independent study, Microbojen� increased the t-cells up to 200 points and restored normal weight and sense of well-being with one bottle in people suffering with AIDS. This demonstrated the effectiveness of frequency- matched remedies at restoring the control mechanisms and crystalline matrix that is necessary for the body to heal itself.
All of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas are frequency-matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems. I will say it again and again, because it is important you understand, REMEDIES from JN do not treat disease (period). They provide the body with the corrective information needed in various conditions of illness.
They are not an ``antibiotic'', although they provide the body with the specific informational frequencies needed to overcome and control microbes. They are, therefore, designed to work with God's design of the human body, instead of ``doing for the body what the body should do for itself'' as in the case of most prescription drugs. When the body's crystalline matrix is functioning at maximum integrity, no disease can persist, and no microbe can create disease.
Remember this if you don't remember anything else I say, ``Simply having a certain microbe in your body does not mean you will generate a disease from that microbe''. As a matter of fact, we know that in polio, in a hundred susceptible people who actually have the polio virus in their body, only one person out of that one hundred will actually come down with polio, the disease.
This fact demonstrates how it is not the microbe that determines whether you manifest a disease, nor is it purely a component of having a strong immune system, or being loaded up with antioxidants. Disease is determined by the integrity of the body's crystalline matrix..''
We see this fact also manifested in every epidemic. There are always people that walk unscathed through the deadliest epidemic. This is not due to the fact that they were on immune system boosting supplements. It is due to the integrity of their overall crystalline matrix, from good genetics and their unique lifestyle choices that created their unique energetic matrix that repelled and prevented the disease.
Bio-Resonance Scanning and these frequency-matched formulas are the ultimate form of healing, operating from a purely ``structural and functional perspective'' in that they target the restoration of the body's crystalline matrix, as dictated by dietary supplement government mandates.--
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Thank you for the inspirational story- and PLEASE keep us posted on your progress. I would love to believe there is an alternate way to healing then wanting to die /terrifying herxing!
Gary-it sounds like your symptoms were muscleskeletal?
Has anyone with intense neuro symptoms recovered from HANSA?
I am so skeptical after all the $$$ I've spent on this illness. Hansa markets so much it makes me weary. I'm glad to hear this promising story!
Gary in all what was the total cost for the 2 weeks?
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I've been putting this off posting the various homeopathic, herbal and supplements I've been on since going to the Hansa Center. I'm going to try to post a few of them tonight and give you links to the remedies when possible.
As I mentioned in my post to Bea, this main homeopathic remedy I'm taking to treat Lyme Disease and co-infections is Microbojen. I've copied and pasted from his website information about this homeopathic remedy below.
* Microbojen�
--Like all of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas, Microbojen�is frequency matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems, like all manner of microbes... viruses, bacteria, parasites, fungi, prions, and mycoplasma.
Microbojen� was initially developed in an effort to prepare for the worst-case scenario of biological warfare. Bio-Resonance Scanning was used to simulate the worst condition we could think of.
We simulated that a condition of smallpox, anthrax, HIV, hepatitis B and C, West Nile Virus, Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), Cytomegalovirus (CMV), Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, and Bubonic plaque all at the same time. This is how Microbojen� was developed. Microbojen�, has been highly effective at producing a supercharged crystalline matrix in the body that could stand against an attack from a wide range of the world's worst ``designer microbes.''
The end result of this research is Microbojen�. It just so happen to test amazingly well against the ``just as evil'' microbe...Lyme spirochetes and their partners, Babesia microti, Ehrlichia and the many viruses found in chronic sufferers.
In a small, independent study, Microbojen� increased the t-cells up to 200 points and restored normal weight and sense of well-being with one bottle in people suffering with AIDS. This demonstrated the effectiveness of frequency- matched remedies at restoring the control mechanisms and crystalline matrix that is necessary for the body to heal itself.
All of the Jernigan Nutraceutical formulas are frequency-matched to provide the body with the information and building blocks it needs to overcome and control specific problems. I will say it again and again, because it is important you understand, REMEDIES from JN do not treat disease (period). They provide the body with the corrective information needed in various conditions of illness.
They are not an ``antibiotic'', although they provide the body with the specific informational frequencies needed to overcome and control microbes. They are, therefore, designed to work with God's design of the human body, instead of ``doing for the body what the body should do for itself'' as in the case of most prescription drugs. When the body's crystalline matrix is functioning at maximum integrity, no disease can persist, and no microbe can create disease.
Remember this if you don't remember anything else I say, ``Simply having a certain microbe in your body does not mean you will generate a disease from that microbe''. As a matter of fact, we know that in polio, in a hundred susceptible people who actually have the polio virus in their body, only one person out of that one hundred will actually come down with polio, the disease.
This fact demonstrates how it is not the microbe that determines whether you manifest a disease, nor is it purely a component of having a strong immune system, or being loaded up with antioxidants. Disease is determined by the integrity of the body's crystalline matrix..''
We see this fact also manifested in every epidemic. There are always people that walk unscathed through the deadliest epidemic. This is not due to the fact that they were on immune system boosting supplements. It is due to the integrity of their overall crystalline matrix, from good genetics and their unique lifestyle choices that created their unique energetic matrix that repelled and prevented the disease.
Bio-Resonance Scanning and these frequency-matched formulas are the ultimate form of healing, operating from a purely ``structural and functional perspective'' in that they target the restoration of the body's crystalline matrix, as dictated by dietary supplement government mandates.--
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Dr. J has also given me a homeopathic remedy called Neuro-Antitox II Cardio. He added to this Organoplex, Viscum/Cratageus and Hypophysis/Stannum.
This is a homeopathic herbal formula that has been mixed with other remedies. Here's some information about the basic remedy, Neuro-Antitox II Cardio that I copied and pasted from Jernigan Nutraceuticals website:
* Neuro-Antitox II
-- Compass Plant (Silphium)
Personal Note: I am totally fascinated by this plant. It amazes me how God Almighty made this one plant that can help the body heal itself in multiple ways.
Historical Usage: Silphium laciniatum has been used in all forms of asthma and bronchitis, as well as for bladder complaints including frequent urination and urinary tract infection. It has been used historically to treat cancer of the throat and mouth as well as being beneficial in the wasting away and the ``empty sensation'' of cancer cachexia.
It has been shown to be useful in cases of tuberculosis. It is mucolytic showing a strong ability to breakup mucus accumulations anywhere in the body. Silphium is especially beneficial in addressing pressure and acrid mucus in the supra-orbital, posterior sinuses. (See References below)
Recent Usage: (Silphium laciniatum) has been shown through clinical research to be possibly the greatest anti-neurotoxin substance found to date. Silphium is thought to breakdown and/or bind microbial neurotoxins. It has demonstrated stellar results in the elimination of the primary toxins released by Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative microbe in Lyme disease, Multiple Sclerosis, ALS and over 350 neurotoxic illnesses.
In regard to Lyme microbes, Silphium also seems to assist in providing the body's crystalline matrix with the information needed to resolve the pleomorphic phase, L-form of the Lyme spirochete. Clinical research reveals that Silphium may also bind heavy metals, and breakdown isopropyl alcohol, and benzene accumulations, adding to its phenomenal arsenal of beneficial effects. Silphium is recommended to limit herxheimer reactions during any type of antibiotic, antimicrobial treatments.
Bio-Resonance Scanning has revealed it to be highly beneficial in addressing the accumulation of ammonia in the brain tissue as seen in cirrhosis of the liver, hepatitis, and the local accumulations in the brain as seen in neurological Lyme disease. Silphium is also beneficial at clearing nitric oxide (NO), the metabolite of ammonia in the musculoskeletal system.
Nitric oxide accumulates in the joints and muscles in reaction to Borrelia burgdorferi and other Borrelia strain spirochetes, which release ammonia which is almost instantly converted into nitric oxide. Nitric oxide causes a hyper-inflammatory response in the tissues leading to fibrin accumulation, joint and muscle pain and stiffness, as well as potentially increasing the production of the thick fibrin-coating of tumors.
One of the unique properties of Silphium is its molecular structure causes it to grow facing north and south, hence its name ``Compass Plant.'' This polarity orientation is maintained within its molecular structure and may positively influence the human body's crystalline matrix ability to adapt to the ever-changing internal and external environment. In other words, it makes your body more adaptable.
Silphium is the newest and possibly best nutraceutical for helping restore normal protein metabolism processing of homocystiene. Silphium has also been shown to normalize blood sugar levels, even in Insulin-dependent individuals, yet it seems to normalize blood sugar without making it too low.
Product Information: Jernigan Nutraceuticals has pioneered all of the present day knowledge of Silphium and is the only company producing this formula in the world. Our liquid Silphium is processed within one hour of harvesting to maximize its polar properties and energetic aspects.
References: 1. Foster S, Duke J, Medicinal Plants and Herbs, Eastern/Central, Peterson Field Guides, New York 2000.2. Murphy R, Lotus Matera Medica, 1st ed. Lotus Star Academy 1995.--
Keep in mind, I was BRS tested, and in addition to this remedy two other herbs were added (listed above) according to what my body tested for. If you ordered Neuro-Antitox II Cardio from his website (and you can), you most likely would not get the other remedies added to it since there's no way of knowing if you needed them without BRS testing.
As I said before, I'm reluctant to post what I'm taking only because I don't want to give anyone the impression that they can go purchase these products and get the same results as I'm getting. That's why it's important to be tested prior to getting treatment.
You can read more about Neuro-Antitox II Cardio on his website. It's very interesting and I encourage you to read about it here:
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I'm going to add three more then call it a night. These are supplements that I was given at the clinic that are made by a company called, Nutri-West, which make pharmaceutical grade supplements that you can only get through a health provider.
Although, if you do a google search, you'll find there are websites where you can purchase these products directly without going through a healthcare provider (which I don't recommend).
I'm taking a supplement called Total Arginine. This link has more information about this product:
To be quite honest with you, I don't know much about this supplement or why I'm on it. I did ask the doctor but I can't find my notes on this one and don't remember what it's for.
Maybe massman or some of you who know about this supplement could tell me what purpose it serves and why a person would take this.
That's it for tonight. I'll be back tomorrow to list the rest of the homeopathic remedies and enzymes I'm taking as well.
Any questions, feel free to ask here or pm me.
Gary
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I was reading about the center for a few weeks and wondering whether to go.
I would like to ask you a question - do you have a problem with mercury?
I had to stop using my FAR sauna last year because I felt it was strirring up mercury too much, even at a medium setting and building up the time to 10 mins.
What if the detox pathways are not so good?
I had a massage a few years ago and it was too much - I was extremely ill for a week so I am guessing that you do not have such a problem with your detox system.
I am so pleased that you are better and may God continue to heal you!
I am healing but very slowly and one of the things that I have learned and which is what the clinic says, I think, is that everything has its time and place and it was when I got off my supplements and depended on a good diet which is now gluten and dairy free, that the healing started in me. I use self kinesiology for testing.
What surprises me is the changes I am going through psychologically in the healing.
Maybe I need to wait before trying the clinic - the journey alone, from Europe will knock me out let alone the therapies.
I was encouraged to hear your story.
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quote:Originally posted by f13girl: Thank you for the inspirational story- and PLEASE keep us posted on your progress. I would love to believe there is an alternate way to healing then wanting to die /terrifying herxing!
Gary-it sounds like your symptoms were muscleskeletal?
Has anyone with intense neuro symptoms recovered from HANSA?
I am so skeptical after all the $$$ I've spent on this illness. Hansa markets so much it makes me weary. I'm glad to hear this promising story!
Gary in all what was the total cost for the 2 weeks?
f13girl, sorry to delay answering your question. I overlooked it until going back this morning to review this thread.
You asked if my symptoms were mostly muscleskeletal? No, what finally made me realize I had to find another treatment protocol is when I began having neurological problems about six months ago. After I had steroid shots in my back all hell broke loose. I lost over 70 pounds and the toxins in my body went haywire inside of me.
The neurological symptoms were something I hadn't had much of a problem with until after the steroid shots. One day, out of the blue, I had a horrible anxiety attack. I thought I was going to go crazy. I called my LLMD, who was treating me at the time, and told him what was happening to me. I tracked down his home phone number which he was none too happy about.
Thankfully, he called my pharmacy and prescribed Xanax for me. That's what kept me sane until I started treatments at the Hansa Center. I had terrible head noises (still do have some) and my eyes became blurry and painful. I had terrible brain fog, confusion, was often disoriented and not knowing why I was standing where I was in the house. I was constantly losing things and not remember where I put them.
I even drove to my wife's office one day and ended up in a part of town that I had no idea how I got there. My LLMD at the time explained to me that I had a blackout. Can't remember how he described it but said it often happens to people with lyme disease. That experience scared the living daylights out of me. How could I drive somewhere (opposite of where my wife's office was) and finally realize I wasn't in the right part of town? At least I didn't drive out of Oklahoma.
I really thought I was going to have a mental breakdown. In December, during Christmas I felt so bad that I was sure this was my last Christmas with my family. It was the worse time in my life since I had this disease, physically, emotionally and mentally. I was as low as I could go and had constant fear that I was going to end up in the ER or hospital here in OK where no doctor has a clue about lyme disease. So, to answer your question, no, my symptoms were not primarily muscleskeletal. It was neurological and the whole 9 yards.
About herxing, I used to be on abx, so I know how horrible herxing can be. Dr. J doesn't agree that in order to get well you need to herx like hell. My herxes have been very mild and tolerable on this protocol. And yet, I continue to feel good and have gotten better everyday since I've left the clinic.
The problem with herxes is, we can't always tell if we are really herxing or if were suffering from side effects of antibiotics. My body reacted poorly to just about every abx I was on during the five years I was treated with them. Although, the abdominal pain that I've had for some time now has gone down about 70% from where it was, I believe it was the abx that messed up my stomach something horrible. I'm hoping my gut can fully recover from it eventually. The doctor feels optimistic that in time it will. But 70% improvement in one month ain't too shabby!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally against abx, my wife recovered from lyme disease using abx. However, unlike me, she was treated within a year of being bitten my a tick. I had this disease for over ten years before being diagnosed. She relapsed once and had to be treated again. Thankfully, she's doing good now and seems to be fully recovered.
My wife has said that if she ever (God forbid) relapsed again she'd go on the same protocol I'm on. It's much safer than taking abx (without the hard herxes and side effects) and it's definitely proven to be an effective protocol for me and many others who have been on it.
In my observation, from being here on lymenet, and on other lyme forums, people who have chronic late stage lyme disease don't seem to do very well on abx. I've seen people on abx for ten to fifteen years and they're still suffering with this disease. That doesn't seem right to me.
I was on abx for five years and getting sicker and sicker every day. After being on Dr. J's protocol I started improving immediately and I'm still making progress. I think it's pretty amazing for someone as sick as I was to show improvement in such short amount of time. I was used to waking up in the morning asking myself if this was all a horrible nightmare I was having, now I wake up in the mornings and wonder if this is too good to last. I gotta get rid of my pessimism!
My mind hasn't caught up with my body. I feel like I'm going to wake up one morning and find out that feeling good was all a dream. I have to keep telling myself, "it's not a dream, it's for real". Since my third day of treatment I started feeling better and have continued to get better and better since then.
Your comment, "Hansa markets so much it makes me weary". I'm not aware that they market a lot, maybe they do, I just haven't been aware of it. I know they recently sent out a mass email to many people letting them know of a special price ($5000) they're giving for a short period of time. It has something to do with a special incentive from the government. (For more details about this you can read one of the posts above where someone posted the email the Hansa Center sent out.)
Seriously, until a little over a month ago, I never heard of the Hansa Center. The primary alternative treatments I've known about are the three herbal protocols, AI, and Klinghardt. Hansa Center has rarely been mentioned during the five years I've been a member here.
I don't know what kind of marketing, or how much marketing, the Hansa Center does, but it doesn't bother me anymore than the marketing Klinghardt, Cowden, Zhang, or any of the other people do. The more we are made aware of the options available to us the better our chances are of getting well. At least that's how I look at it.
I don't want to come across as a promoter for the Hansa Center, however, I can say without any reservation, I wouldn't hesitate to refer anyone there for treatment. I feel confident that people who get treatment at the Hansa Center will have a good experience and be treated respectfully and kindly by everyone in the office. I also believe they'll have a good chance of getting better. But, like Dr. J says, not 100% of the people who go to the Hansa Center gets better for some reason or another, but many of them do. I'm proof of that.
There's no protocol that promises to make everyone better, and Dr J is no different, but his approach to treatment is vastly different than what you'll receive from a traditional LLMD. Dr J treats the whole body, mind and spirit, not just the disease.
His testing methods are done with BRS, and he does use some muscle testing as well. He's very knowledgeable about this disease. He even had lyme disease himself at one time. He's invented several of his own homeopathic and herbal remedies and is extremely knowledgeable in herbs and homeopathy.
Here's a small snippet I copied and pasted from his bio:
"Dr J is "nationally recognized as a leader in Biological Medicine and the treatment of chronic illness. Graduating with a Bachelor's degree in Nutrition with honors, he received his doctorate at Cleveland Chiropractic College-KC.
Post Graduate studies have taken him far and wide,studying natural and anthroposophical medicine in Germany and Biological Medicine with the world-renowned Paracelsus Klinic of Switzerland, with later studies providing certification in Botanical Medicine through the University of Colorado, School of Pharmacy.
Dr. J is also the developer of the diagnostic and treatment technique Bio-Resonance Scanning� and a whole new concept in medicine called Circuit Healing�.
Dr. J has personally developed over 30 novel natural medicines to date. As past president of the American Medical Academy of Thermodiagnostics, he is one of the most experienced doctors in the U.S.A. in one of the latest FDA approved adjunctive diagnostic tests, Computerized Regulation Thermodiagnostics."
Dr J is "nationally recognized as a leader in Biological Medicine and the treatment of chronic illness. Graduating with a Bachelor's degree in Nutrition with honors, he received his doctorate at Cleveland Chiropractic College-KC.
Post Graduate studies have taken him far and wide,studying natural and anthroposophical medicine in Germany and Biological Medicine with the world-renowned Paracelsus Klinic of Switzerland, with later studies providing certification in Botanical Medicine through the University of Colorado, School of Pharmacy.
Dr. J is also the developer of the diagnostic and treatment technique Bio-Resonance Scanning� and a whole new concept in medicine called Circuit Healing�.
Dr. J has personally developed over 30 novel natural medicines to date. As past president of the American Medical Academy of Thermodiagnostics, he is one of the most experienced doctors in the U.S.A. in one of the latest FDA approved adjunctive diagnostic tests, Computerized Regulation Thermodiagnostics."
Everyone responds to different protocols in different ways because our bodies are all different. There's no one size fits all when it comes to treating this dreadful disease. My wife got well on abx and could handle them fairly well. But she got horribly sick for days with herxes and had to go to the ER a couple of times due to the herxes she was having. I still wonder if it was side effects from the abx or was it really from herxing? Like I said, i don't think we can always know for sure if it's herxing or side effects we're experiencing.
You asked how much it cost me for treatment at the center. For two weeks of treatments, which included the ST-8 Lymph Drainage machine, biomat table massages, Lux Therapy, Ionic foot baths, infrared sauna, doctor's treatment, homeopathic and herbal remedies (and supplements) came to slightly under $7000.00. They're having a special right now, as I mentioned earlier, for the same treatments I had for two weeks for $5000.00. Yes, it's expensive, but if you get well--it's priceless!
If you have any more questions feel free to post them or pm me if you'd like.
Gary
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quote:Originally posted by mati: Hi Gary
I was reading about the center for a few weeks and wondering whether to go.
I would like to ask you a question - do you have a problem with mercury?
I had to stop using my FAR sauna last year because I felt it was strirring up mercury too much, even at a medium setting and building up the time to 10 mins.
What if the detox pathways are not so good?
I had a massage a few years ago and it was too much - I was extremely ill for a week so I am guessing that you do not have such a problem with your detox system.
I am so pleased that you are better and may God continue to heal you!
I am healing but very slowly and one of the things that I have learned and which is what the clinic says, I think, is that everything has its time and place and it was when I got off my supplements and depended on a good diet which is now gluten and dairy free, that the healing started in me. I use self kinesiology for testing.
What surprises me is the changes I am going through psychologically in the healing.
Maybe I need to wait before trying the clinic - the journey alone, from Europe will knock me out let alone the therapies.
I was encouraged to hear your story.
mati stage 3 Lyme
Hi mati,
I'm sure I have a problem with mercury, I believe most people do, especially if they have mercury in their teeth. I do have amalgams in my teeth and I'm sure that I would test positive if I had a blood test for it.
How much of a problem with mercury do I have? I don't know, but I think it's not just one toxin like mercury that causes us to have problems, it's a number of toxins that our bodies are poisoned with. Antibiotics are probably the biggest toxins that many of us have problems with, among other things.
I know, from the BRS testing I had, that my body is filled with toxins, but we didn't really focus on which toxins were predominant in my body. Dr. J focused on releasing these toxins and doing it slowly and gently.
When I went to the clinic, Dr. J immediately put me on Neuro-Antitox II which is a detoxification formula. He treated me for toxins while I was at the center and I continue to take homeopathic/herbal remedies for detoxification at home.
While I was at the clinic, I was give ST-8 Lymph Drainage therapy along with lymph drainage massages (while laying on a biomat table) . My first massage was a little uncomfortable due to the toxins moving around, but each day the massages were more relaxing and I felt I received enormous benefits from the massages. Even while getting a massage, BRS testing was done on me to see which essential oils my body wanted/needed at the time of the massage. It's amazing how essential oils can bring healing to the body.
I did the infrared sauna four times while I was at the clinic and I handled it fine. However, the first time I did it I was pretty exhausted afterwards, but that's to be expected from what I understand. The next three times I did the infrared sauna I did fine with it. I came out feeling relaxed and it felt good knowing that I was sweating out toxins and killing a bunch of spirochetes.
Prior to entering the infrared sauna they gave me some electrolyte water and a couple of ounces of a mineral drink (juice). I was in the sauna 30 minutes at a time. The temperature was about 125 degrees. Like I said, the first time I was exhausted afterwards, but the next three times I felt relaxed and had no difficulties with it.
Dr J's approach on detox is to go slow and gentle in the beginning of his treatment. I never detoxed prior to being treated at the clinic because my LLMD never told me how to do it.
I knew from reading the lyme forums that detox is important, but it's so confusing trying to figure out the right way to do it since everyone seems to have so many different opinions or approaches to it.
I'm glad that Dr. J is treating me for detox and doing it in a way that is not too harsh on my system. Oh, I forgot to mention, another detox method they used at the clinic is the ionic foot bath cleanse. It gets a lot of toxins out of your body and it's amazing to see it when it comes out. Pretty gross actually.
I hope I've addressed all of your questions, if not feel free to write back. I agree with you about getting off gluten and going dairy free. I was tested by my primary doctor for celiac disease and the test came back negative. But I decided to stop eating wheat and gluten products to see if it helped, and sure enough my abdominal pain got somewhat better by cutting gluten out of my diet.
I still had some abdominal pain but Dr. J is treating it with some homeopathic remedies and he did some treatments in his office on me (don't remember what it's called) and now my abdominal pain is about 75% better than it was. I'm taking digestive enzymes and some probiotics as well.
I would suggest you call the clinic and tell them your story and see if they feel it would be wise for you to make a trip from Europe at this time to be treated at the Hansa Center. I believe they will be honest with you and tell you whether or not now would be a good time for you to come for treatment or not.
The thing that amazed me is how quickly I was able to start feeling better once I started the treatment. Dr. J is not satisfied until he knows you are making progress during your first few days there. They really believe that, while you won't recover overnight, you should begin feeling better by your second day of treatment.
I thought that was somewhat unreasonable and gimmicky to think that they could make me feel better after just two days of treatment, but I really did start feeling better the second day I was there. Today I'm feeling so much better, and I'm still amazed that each day I continue to make more progress.
I hope and pray that you get some direction about what you should do. My suggestion is to do as much research on this as you can, ask as many questions as you can, call the clinic and ask them everything, and anything, you want to know prior to making your decision. They will not pressure you at all. They only want people to come to the clinic who sincerely want to be there.
Remember, Dr. J doesn't believe that he's just treating a disease, he believes he's treating the whole person-body, mind and spirit. I believe this is one of the main reasons his clinic has so much success in treating people with chronic diseases, not just lyme disease.
If you are able to get his newest book, "Beating Lyme Disease" (second edition), I would suggest you read it before making your decision about going there for treatment. Reading his book could help you decide whether or not this is the right protocol for you, and if it is, it will prepare you as to what to expect when you get there.
Here's a link to his website where you can purchase the book:
Many thanks for that useful information. I have been praying for guidance as to the way forward and your words have done that for me so thankyou!!
I see that the main issue is the mercury and not just the usual problem from amalgams. I was poisoned at 6 months from teething powders, enough to be in hospital for 6 weeks with what they called 'Pink's Disease' rather than say mercury poisoning and again later on playing weith the stuff.. What I have just realised is that there may have been damage done then which prevents me from doing any serious detoxing and the most important thing thing for me in seeking help is to find someone who knows about this condition and which tests need to be done to find out if it is possible to detox doing more aggressive treatments than what I am already doing with diet.
I have e-mailed the clinic to see what they say.
I am so happy for you Gary. Being at the end myself about six months ago I understand your joy.
God bless
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Core Level RNA contains some vitamins, minerals and amino acids at moderate doses. I feel high dosing these is not great. When they are in the right form they get in easier + can be effective.
RNA + DNA are basic "blueprints" for the body + its parts. With the adrenals as an example, organ concentrates contain all the adrenal parts, while RNA + DNA adrenal factors contain the basic "blueprint" or frame.
There are a few theories on how they work. One is that they stimulate the organ. The other, that I favor, is that because the RNA / DNA factors are from another animal they are foreign + your autoimmune attack chases these instead of your own organs.
This gives your organs the chance to begin healing themselves (as they should) instead of constantly being attacked by your autoimmune response.
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massman,
what are these Core Level RNA products?
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One of the products recommended to Gary at the clinic he went to.
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Thank you for posting about your experience at the Hansa Center. I am fairly new to this diagnosis, and have not followed your story, but what an amazing improvement in a short period of time.
We have bantered back and forth about the merits of electrodermal testing (bio-resonance scanning), and it seems that you have benefited greatly from these techniques. I have been consulting with a practitioner to determine what adjunct supplements and antibiotics to use.
I wanted to let you know that I ordered two of the products you mentioned on line today through Jernigan Neutraceuticals. They are the Neuro-Antitox II Musculo-Skeletal, and the Microbojen. The more I read about the products, the more convinced I am that it was a good supplement to my current protocol. I was just looking for an additional detox regime, since I am on Malrone and cannot use milk thistle, ALA or CoQ 10 for detoxing. Antitox is the prefect solution. The Microbojen will help with viruses and bacteria, as a support to the antibiotics.
I look forward to your follow-up, and know that you are an inspiration with your story. Thank you so much for sharing all that you learned....
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I meant to post the last of the homeopathic/herbal remedies and supplements that I'm taking yesterday. Sorry for the delay in getting this posted.
I've posted most everything that I'm taking on several posts above. This post will cover the rest of the remedies and supplements I've been taking since I've returned home from the clinic.
Another homeopathic/herbal remedy I'm taking is, Gather Vitality, which is made up of a variety of chinese herbs. If you want to see a list of the ingredients of this product you can find them here:
Included in this homeopathic remedy is, Viscum/Crataegus and Testes/Apis. If you want to know more about these ingredients I suggest you do a google search to learn more about them.
This homeopathic remedy is obviously not something you could purchase on a website on your own (at least I don't think you can), it has to be done through a practitioner like Dr. J. These combination of herbs were put together based on BSR testing that Dr. J did on me. This is how the doctor determines what my body needs and what herbal remedies he will treat me with. This specific remedy, it is not necessarily a "lyme treatment", but remember, when the doctor does BRS testing on you he treats the whole body, not just the disease. He's treating me for a variety of things, not just lyme disease.
Obviously, I'm taking remedies that treat lyme disease, co-infections, toxin removal, and whatever else the BRS testing reveals that I need treatment for. In other words, Dr. J is treating my body for whatever the testing reveals I need treatment for. Hope that makes sense.
I also take some regular supplements such as vitamin C, B-Complex, CoQ10, fish oil, a whole foods multi-vitamin, probiotics and digestive enzymes.
I think that about covers it but I may have I missed one or two supplements. Oh yeah, he also has me on Nattokinase and some other proteolytic enzymes as well. If I think of anything else I will let you know.
In the next day or so, I plan to share with you how I've been feeling during my second week on the protocol. I've had a few ups and downs this week, but overall I'm still doing good and am pleased with the progress that's being made.
One of my good friends, and coworker, told me yesterday that he can't get over how much I've changed since I've gotten back home from the treatment. He's watched me suffer with this disease for almost 12 years. It just thrills him to see me laugh and acting like my old self again and going out to lunch together like we used to do prior to my downward spiral six months ago.
Jill E.
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Gary,
When I first was diagnosed with Lyme in 2004, I was seeing a naturopath who was a protege of Dr. J's, plus I was and still am seeing a holistically oriented LLMD.
I had the Bioresonance muscle testing done on me by the naturopath - I've had all kinds of muscle testing done on me throughout the years and this seemed the most comprehensive.
At the time, I muscle tested for Lyme and all coinfections, including weird strains of Bart and Babs. My IGeneX tests at the time showed CDC-positive Lyme, Ehrlichia and Anaplasma. The IGeneX tests later turned positive for Bart and Babs Duncani. So the bioresonance muscle testing was accurate even before the antibody testing.
I had the pleasure of speaking by phone several years ago with Dr. J., he was very giving of his time to me, and again, I was just a patient of someone who had trained with him and used many of his products.
I am following your thread with great interest, and of course, prayers!!!!
Jill
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I wrote to the centre and got a reply back but it did not answer my question so I wrote again.
What I need to know is, if someone thinks that they are not yet up to detoxing how can they know when they are? I feel that maybe they have not had someone who cannot detox at the level they are doing it. If the adrenals and thyroid are shot then no detoxing can be done till they heal somewhat.
Would be interested in your view thanks
mati
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Thanks Gary for your long reply! My neuro symptoms are MS like now(vision loss, coordination, jerking, head pressure, eyes hurt, shaky) etc. etc. so I'm a pretty extreme case (especially now since my crash from my first abx.....non functiona now can't drive /can't sleep). Hansa seems like another option. I'll add it to my list. Believe it or not.. too sick to go right now... need to recover hopefully back to baseline before the pharmecuticals. Thank you and keep us posted on your progess.
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quote:Originally posted by mati: I wrote to the centre and got a reply back but it did not answer my question so I wrote again.
What I need to know is, if someone thinks that they are not yet up to detoxing how can they know when they are? I feel that maybe they have not had someone who cannot detox at the level they are doing it. If the adrenals and thyroid are shot then no detoxing can be done till they heal somewhat.
Would be interested in your view thanks
mati
Mati,
I've been to the clinic twice in 2009. I met some people there being treated and heard stories passed along about other patients.
One story was about a lady they treated for four weeks. The old Hansa location was basement level, so patients had to traverse stairs down to the clinic. The lady was in very poor shape -- I can't recall what exactly her ailments were -- and they had to help her each day for the first week up and down the stairs.
My understanding is their BRS testing with homeopathic remedies was all they used on her the first week. By the start of the second week, she was able to move up and down the stairs under her own power.
I think she started detoxing during the second week, but perhaps not until the third week. By the time she left the clinic after four weeks, she was moving very easily under her own power.
The Hansa Center will provide references if you ask them. I don't think they will tell you what each person ailed from (patient confidentiality), but maybe if you tell them what is ailing you they will match you up with some references that can share similar stories.
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That is going to be hyper expensive though for those who cannot get insurance cover especially if they find that they still canot detox. The adrenals cannot heal that quickly. I guess that I am still too sick to think of it.
mati
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quote:Originally posted by massman: Core Level RNA contains some vitamins, minerals and amino acids at moderate doses. I feel high dosing these is not great. When they are in the right form they get in easier + can be effective.
RNA + DNA are basic "blueprints" for the body + its parts. With the adrenals as an example, organ concentrates contain all the adrenal parts, while RNA + DNA adrenal factors contain the basic "blueprint" or frame.
There are a few theories on how they work. One is that they stimulate the organ. The other, that I favor, is that because the RNA / DNA factors are from another animal they are foreign + your autoimmune attack chases these instead of your own organs.
This gives your organs the chance to begin healing themselves (as they should) instead of constantly being attacked by your autoimmune response.
massman, I'm not sure how it all works/the theories, etc (although you did a good job of explaining that) but this I do know:
Dr. J believes to get better and stay better (whether it's Lyme and Co. or something else) the body's integrity to heal itself and then fight disease is the key.
THAT gets me thinking, I wonder if THAT is the "missing link" in people recovering from Lyme and Co. and the reason why so many people with Lyme never do get better after ten, twenty and even thirty years. So busy continuing to bombard the body with "stuff" to kill the bugs that the body's integrity is always being compromised? Hmmm????
You all have a good day and weekend, Rhonda
PS: Sorry I haven't posted much lately. I have been, and still am, busy catching up on my TO DO list. I have more to share with you (plus still have that part 2 "BRS" coming up. I'll plan on doing that in the near future).
PSS: Gary is still doing good. We have our little grandson for the weekend!!!! and will be leaving and going out and about for the day. YAHOO! It's been so long since we've been able to do this because Gary was so sick. Posts: 2188 | From Oklahoma | Registered: May 2008
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mati So sorry you were poisoned with mercury and the effects that has had on your body and life. I'm praying that God give you wisdom in what is the best route for you to take.
I know this is going to sound crazy and one month ago I would have thought it was "bolognie" but now I'm a believer. I learned this from one of the doctors at the Hansa Center.
Anyway, there is "something" you can do to help stimulate the adrenals naturally.
Maybe there is something on YouTube to show you, but I'll do my best to describe it.
"Massage" your belly about 1 inch above your belly button and about 4 inches apart.
You can use one hand. So if you're right handed--separate your thumb and fingers like you're going to pick up something. Place your thumb to the right of the belly button (one inch up from belly button) and your four fingers to the left of the belly button so that your thumb and fingers are about 4 inches apart.
Massage (almost like you're tickling yourself) with your thumb on your right side and mostly the underside of the middle finger on the left side. Do this for about 30 seconds daily.
You can also do this using both hands. Put your fingers, palm side down, in the correct position (1 inch above belly button, 2 inches on either side of the belly button) and mostly using the underside of the middle fingers massage the area).
You don't have to push real hard. Don't push in a way that it hurts. Use a circular motion.
First of all, is that clear as mud?
Second, OK, now you all think I'm crazy. Oh, well.
Do I need to add a disclaimer? Do not take this as medical advice, heee heee heee, this is just one more thing I've learned along this journey ...
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