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Awesome. Congratulations on being able to enjoy a busy and fun week! I'm sure Dr. J would love to hear about those results!
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Gary continues to improve. He has mostly good days and an occasional not so good day. Gary and I, along with our family rejoice!
I remember saying, after seeing the way Gary has improved on Dr. J's protocol, IF I ever needed to be treated for Lyme Disease I'd never go the ABX route again as I was "sicker than a dog"; and even worse, I believe ABX has greatly compromised my immune system (and I have lab tests to prove it). Little did I know that I'd have to make that "IF I ever" decision anytime soon.
Thought you'd be interested in the latest about me.
Friday, April 30, I had my followup appointment with Dr. J (for previous info see above post 07 March, 2010 10:12 AM.)
During the followup, there was review, plus I shared with Dr. J (among other things) that within the last two weeks I had developed a rash in various areas on my body...there was clearing making the bulls-eye...blah, blah, blah.
So now, in addition to the previous frequency matched remedies he had me on for health issues unrelated to Lyme Disease, he's added Borrelogen (�) and Neuro-Antitox CNS/PNS (�).
Wish I'd "listened" to my body more in the last few weeks. Hindsight is always 20/20. On April 15 I had a slight headache. Really didn't think much about it. A few days later I developed a stiff neck. Because of the way I was turning my head Gary asked if something was wrong. I told him my neck was a little sore and that I must have slept wrong. My lower back has been hurting, off and on, and I attributed that to working longer hours at a job where I mostly sit.
Bottom line, I'm in the early part of a relapse and am so blessed to have good health and am not being slowed down from my day-to-day activities (although I would probably be wise to eliminate some things from my TO DO list, and that has nothing to do with Lyme , it has more to do with only having 24 hours in a day and not 48). My thinking is clear and my energy is good!!
I thank God that I am not in "Lyme Disease Yikes Mode" and don't plan to go there anytime soon. Attitude makes a huge difference. Anyone who reads my posts knows that I believe that with all my heart.
I've made my choice to follow Dr. J's protocol, instead of ABX, and have total peace. I believe following Dr. J's protocol, I will not become "sicker than a dog" (like I was the last two times on ABX). Best of all, the integrity of my body will not be further compromised and/or destroyed but, instead, it will be built back up.
BTW, my "Success Story" is on Lymenet, posted last Fall, if you are interested in the details of my journey with LD, so far, it's on page 2 about 1/3 of the way down. It thrills me to share with you that I am STILL a "Success Story" and I look forward to adding a PS sometime in the near future to my post!! Lyme does not have to define who we are. I believe everyday that we get up, and by God's grace, make it the BEST day of the rest of our lives, that qualifies us a Lyme Survivor (not a Lyme Victim) and I would go so far as to say a LYFE Survivor!!!
One other thing regarding my decision not to take ABX, all I have to do is read the Lyme boards of all the people who have been taking ABX for 5 years (like Gary, not getting better and actually getting worse) or 10 years, or 20 years, or 30 years, and know THAT is not the route for me this THIRD time.
Gary and I appreciate your continued positive thoughts, happy vibes and prayers coming our way!!
I'll keep you updated, Rhonda
PS: In "Beating Lyme Disease" (second edition) subtitled, "Living The Good Life in Spite of Lyme" by Dr. David A. Jernigan, he shares his "Perfect-7 Treatment and Detox Protocol" (TM) and people are getting well--Thank God! Since I've gone to the Hansa Center I have the advantage of personalized treatment and my exact protocol is being tailored to my specific body, mind and spirit needs for optimum health (and I'm expecting nothing less). Posts: 2188 | From Oklahoma | Registered: May 2008
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I'm also interested in your experience of being off ABX. For 26+ years, I avoided ABX excepted for 1 10 day course and stayed healthier than most folks, until my immune system couldn't handle the lyme/babs anymore (believe that there was so much change in my life which was stressful).
I'm coming up on one year of ABX and am contemplating, for the long term, how long to stay on ABX.
I'm appreciative of you and your husband's sharing of your experiences, that helps so much.
Many Blessings for continued healing.
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daisy,
I am so sorry that you are having symptoms again.
I have no doubt that you will beat it and be symptom free again.
You are a blessing to so many here, including me.
You give so much to so many.
I will pray that you experience healing.
God's peace and blessings to you, Dekrator
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Valeriedc, thank you for your "blessings for continued healing". I'm praying God leads you as you make those important decisions regarding your protocol and journey to healing as well.
It is good to know reading this thread "helps so much". That is exactly what Gary and I pray happens.
God bless you.
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Dekrator, what a blessing you are to me. I appreciate your kind words and am believing with you. I receive your prayers for healing, peace and blessings.
I like that, "no doubt".
Thank you my friend!!
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Daisy, I'm so sorry for your recent relapse. I was certain you had beat it this time. I remember reading your success story, but I know that you will be there again.
You and Gary have really opened my eyes to other protocols; you are both such a blessing and I anticipate to move from abx to herbals myself soon.
I'll continue to keep you in my prayers. I love reading your updates.
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"I was certain you had beat it this time..." says txgirl. You and me both txgirl.
I never thought I'd be here again either, but I'm believing--third times a charm.
Thank you much for your prayers.
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Funny how I focused on your comments on attitude and less on the relapse. You sound so strong, having found an 'inner' way forward, changing the way you frame your response and confidence in your new healing path and of course, faith in the Divine.
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Love it when people take what I say and condense it down, like you did, getting right to MY point! Thank you, valeriedc!
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Does anyone know if the Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom salt baths are for Babs? Does oxygen make Babs worse? Any thoughts, experiences? thanks,J
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jl123, I trust the following information is helpful.
Actions of Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath
Ingredients:
* Hydrogen Peroxide - a simple, nontoxic molecule of H2O2 that is beneficial in oxidizing (breaking down) toxins as well as killing anaerobic microbes. It will also detoxify pesticides and petroleum-based toxins and oxidize metals. Hydrogen peroxide is also naturally produced by macrophages in the body to kill harmful bacteria. Most harmful bacteria are anaerobic and cannot survive in the presence of oxygen or hydrogen peroxide. Cancer cells are often very sensitive to increases in oxygen and cannot survive in oxygen-rich environments. When hydrogen peroxide is applied topically to a cut, the resulting bubbling is from the rapid release of free oxygen and, more importantly, from the idling of the bacteria in the cut. Friendly bacteria are aerobic and need and thrive on oxygen.
* Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulfate) - Recent research has shown that when one soaks in a bath of magnesium sulfate, both magnesium and the sulfate independently increase measurably in the blood and urine. Magnesium sulfate helps stabilize Hydrogen Peroxide so that its ultimate breakdown into H2O and free oxygen is more gradual and functional to the process of benefiting the body. This research documents the very real beneficial aspects of this bath therapy. The Epsom Salt Council reports the following about the benefits of Magnesium in Epsom Salt baths.
Magnesium, a major component of Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate), is the second-most abundant element in human cells and the fourth-most important positively charged ion in the body. Magnesium also helps to regulate the activity of more than 325 enzymes and performs a vital roll in orchestrating many bodily functions, from muscle control and electrical impulses to energy production and the elimination of harmful toxins.
The National Academy of Sciences, however, reports that most Americans are magnesium deficient, which may account for our society's high rate of heart disease, stroke, osteoporosis, arthritis and joint pain, digestive maladies and stress-related illnesses, chronic fatigue and a host of other ailments. The Academy estimates the average American male gets just 80% of the magnesium required for good health, while females get only 70% of their recommended levels.
Nutritionists say Americans' magnesium levels have dropped more than 50% in the past century.
Raising magnesium levels may:
+ Improve heart and circulatory health, reducing irregular heartbeats, preventing hardening of the arteries, reducing blood cots, and lowering blood pressure.
+ Improve the body's ability to use insulin, reducing the incidence or severity of diabetes.
+ Flush toxins and heavy metals from the cells, easing muscle pain and helping the body to eliminate harmful substances.
+ Improve nerve function by regulating electrolytes. Also, calcium is the main conductor for electrical current in the body, and magnesium is necessary to maintain proper calcium levels in the blood.
+ Relieve stress. Excess adrenaline and stress are believed to drain magnesium, a natural stress reliever, from the body. Magnesium is necessary fore the body to bind adequate amounts of serotonin, a mood-elevating chemical within the brain that creates a feeling of well being and relaxation.
Sulfate: The "sulfate" part of the Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). This form of sulfate must not be confused with "Sulfa" drugs, to which some people are allergic. People who are allergic to sulfa drugs will not react to sulfate in Epsom Salt. The benefits of sulfate in the body are summarized by Dr. Rosemary Waring of the School of Biosciences, in Birmingham, England:
+ Oral supplementation of Sulfate cannot be easily absorbed across the gut walls; therefore, by soaking in this bath, sulfate can be more efficiently supplemented. Sulfate is essential for many biological processes.
+ Sulfate is needed for formation of proteins in joints; decreased sulfate levels are common in the plasma and joint synovial fluids in cases of arthritis. Sulfate is also low in people with irritable bowel syndrome.
+ Sulfate is necessary for sulfation, a major pathway in detoxifying drugs and endogenous (toxins from within the body) or exogenous (environmental ) toxins.
+ Sulfate is necessary for the repair and formation of brain tissue. Reduced levels of sulfate can lead to faulty neurological connections and subsequent dysfunction.
+ Sulfate is needed for proper digestion and for proper utilization of digestive enzymes.
+ Sulfate is essential for the production of mucin, a protein which lines the intestines. Mucin stops food and drugs form sticking to the lining of the intestines. It also blocks the transport of toxins from the gut into the bloodstream.
* Ginger - functions to open up the pores of the skin and increase the blood flow at the surface of the skin so that the oxygen from the hydrogen peroxide can do its work in detoxifying poisons and kill bacteria and fungi. The pores open wider so that the magnesium sulfate can be more readily absorbed. Ginger is invigorating and can stimulate preparation for the elimination of toxins.
**From pages 196-199 "Beating Lyme Disease: Living the Good Life In Spite of Lyme" by Dr. David A. Jernigan.
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Are you interested in the "Recipe" for the Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath?
Scroll up to my post dated "12 March, 2010 10:38 PM".
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Finally getting back to you,
I continue on Dr. J's protocol from home. I was BRS tested and evaluated by Dr. J. It was a one day visit to the Hansa Center--a full day at that. (I share about that in a post above) I was not there for the full two weeks getting daily treatments like Gary. If I had been, I'd probably be doing cartwheels today. LOL.
I began treatment March 2. How am I? Hmmm. Well, first of all it's only been three weeks. I can say that I feel better on Dr. J's protocol than when I went the abx route. (The previous two times I was treated for Lyme with abx I was sicker than a dog, quite a bit of the time, and felt like I lost a significant part of time/life as I lay in bed.)
Since starting the protocol most days I'm pretty good. Some days I have more energy than other days. I've not missed a day of work, however one day I had to leave work early due to flu-like symptoms. When I almost vomited at my desk I knew I "couldn't suck it up any longer" and I took the rest of the day off. Came home and slept for four hours. My body must have needed it. Sure felt good.
Interesting to note, my lower back has been hurting off and on--the detox bath really helps. Due to my back I stopped those isometric exercises I've been faithfully doing for several years. Last week I decided, even though my lower back hurt, I would do my stretch exercises (they are very gentle) and see what happened. I was surprised that the stretching didn't cause pain and actually felt good. Go figure! So I went ahead with the isometric exercises and they caused no pain too. [woohoo] I'd have never guessed. Instead of doing a full 45 minute set at night, I split them up into am and pm. It's working out.
I also detox per the book and I know that helps lots. Gary and I are checking into getting an infrared sauna. One other thing, I take one day a week off from my remedies and supplements per Dr. J. He says take one day a week off from all remedies and supplements, which I do, and I have a sense of knowing that "the break" is a good thing for my body.
Today Gary and I are doing good. We are getting ready to go out and about--got a long list of things to do, including health food store, then out to lunch. Just hanging out.
I'm keeping my chin up. Where does my help come from? My help comes from the Lord, the Maker of heaven and earth. I do want to thank those who are praying for us. God really does answer prayer. I can feel your healing prayers.
By God's grace I am (to quote the subtitle of Dr. J's book) "Living the good life in spite of Lyme" and believing third time is a charm!!!
Have a blessed day, Rhonda
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First of all in my post above I typed "I began treatment March 2...it's only been three weeks." Obviously that is wrong information. I began treatment April 30. No I do not have Lyme brain--No! Yikes!
I am so grateful how well I am doing. That day I mentioned in my post above, where I had to leave work, was my worst day (whew!!!). I have to confess it was probably partly, if not all, my fault. See, I started the protocol Friday, April 30 and then Monday, May 10 was the day I left work as I wasn't feeling well.
On Dr. J's protocol one day a week you stop remedies and supplements (yeah, right like I mentioned above) to give your body a rest. Sunday is the day I chose for my "day of rest", however I was doing so good that first week I decided NOT to stop the remedies (more is better-Right? Wrong!). Needless to say my little bottles stay in the cupboard every Sunday.
Since then in a nutshell:
The first week fine. The next couple of weeks tired, but worked normal hours. Would come home and take an hour nap most days. The next week I maybe napped twice. The past week or so I've had a "normal" person's energy, no naps. Heee Heee (you gotta understand I burn the candle at both ends--I know it's not good. My "normal" is "energy through the roof").
Anyway...
Along the way, I have had some aches and pains. Mostly in the morning when I got out of bed, but after walking around for a few minutes better. The Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom/Ginger baths about three times a week--WOW--makes a huge difference (I do them "strategically--helps!)
I love my dry skin brush. I got the hang of it now. I brush my skin from the ground up and use circular motions moving up, up, up. Oh, wow, now I know what a dog feels like getting its back rubbed. Did you know the skin eliminates about two pounds of toxins a day? The dry skin brushing really helps that. So important.
I purchased a rebounder but due to that lower back pain (I talked about that above, sorry for the repeat) I haven't been able to use it. Interesting, I didn't realize the back pain so much until I tried to jump on that rebounder the first time. Needless to say the rebounder is waiting for me in the corner.
The worst pain was two or three weeks in and was related to that low back pain. One evening it went all the way to the end of my tailbone. I had never experienced anything like that before. OUCH! Gary said other people on the Lyme Forums had mentioned that. That did not feel good one bit. Nope. I couldn't get to sleep and I hate taking even aspirin so I didn't.
We always keep "ice packs" in the freezer, also known as "Lyma Beans". (They are only used for "ice packs" no we don't eat those things, Smile.) The cold lasts longer than if you use "ice pack peas". So I had the thought to get an "ice pack" from the freezer and use it on my back side, it really worked. Awwwww. The next day the pain was totally gone and it never came back! (It wasn't til recently that it hit me "Lym a" Beans--get it?! LOL)
I have not had any back pain the past week so I'm going to try the rebounder this weekend. I can't wait.
about two weeks in, I started having calf cramps that woke me at night--not fun. Gary told me he takes Magnesium Citrate, so I added that and haven't had a problem since!
My brain has been just a tad slower than "my normal" which is like at "high speed" usually. I multi-task really great usually. Only had two days where I couldn't multi-task. This is what it looks like in the office-one thing at a time. So I pick up a piece of paper and walk to the filing cabinet and file it. Then I go back to my desk and pick up a piece of paper and walk to the filing cabinet and file it, and so on. The way I look at it, I got my filing done and got exercise at the same time. LOL!
Now, I think my mind is back to "my normal" and then I do something dumb and wonder-is that Lyme? Or is that just me? I figure--it's just me. Smile.
The past seven days I have been doing really well.
Compared to my previous two experiences with abx...there is no comparison!!!! I was very sick and tired almost everyday on abx. I admit I can tolerate a lot of pain, but I do not do well with exhaustion. Most days on abx I would just "suck it up" and do what I needed to.
I have been on Dr. J's protocol for only 36 days (give or take) and I am doing really well. I feel overwhelmed with thankfulness and joy.
Two other things. I posted on the "God Thought" thread a few weeks ago asking for prayer. Thank you my precious friends! God did indeed answer your prayers. Thank you for praying for me I KNOW that helps. Also, I enjoy laughing so much and laugh as much as I can. Science proves the endorphin fix is for real. God's Word says that laughter does good like medicine. I believe it!
Gary and I are both doing well.
Have a great week-end.
Until next time... Blessings, Rhonda
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Congrats Daisy!! Why aren't we all going to this center. He sounds like a miracle cure for all he touches. Maybe even more than Dr. K!!
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seekhelp, Thank you. I am so grateful to be responding positively to Dr. J's protocol. It does feel like a miracle to me--I am not so very sick like I was the previous two times when I was treated with abx.
It hit me today, it's been almost SEVEN years since I was bit by that tick (Fall of 2003). Can't believe I'm "here" again, however I'm very Godtomistic that this will be the last time! (SEVEN-you know that's God's perfect number!)
You say, "miracle cure for all he touches." Dr. J says that God is the one who does the healing.
I can say this, Dr. J is very kind and compassionate as he deals with the patients God brings his way. It is, perhaps, his greatest asset. Dr. J knows first hand what it feels like to have Lyme Disease. He actually thought he was going to die (hello? ever feel like that?!). He is also a scientist and ended up developing the protocol treatment that made him totally well. That's how he became known for treating Lyme, however he treats every illness imaginable.
And as you can imagine, he gets the "worst of the worst" cases. Like my Gary, where doctors had given up hope...and Gary had about given up hope too.
Hope is a wonderful thing. Dr. J's clinic may be called the Hansa Center, but I call it the Hope Center.
I'm doing well today. Going to take a walk now, and then Gary and I will watch a movie tonight.
Look forward to sharing more of the "nitty gritty" next time.
God bless you and, once again, thank you for your prayers!
Rhonda
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I continue to do very well on Dr. J's protocol. Most days I have no symptoms at all. However,yesterday, Friday, July 1, I woke with a slight headache and a few flu-like symptoms. I did my Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath and all the toxin symptoms disappeared. They've not been back either. (I do the detox bath Monday, Wednesday, and Friday mornings faithfully.) The bath really works! BTW, per Dr. J...when doing the bath DO NOT stay in longer than 20 minutes max!!
Some have inquired on other threads, "What exactly are the toxins?" To quote Dr. Klinghardt (from his conference, "Lyme and Other Chronic Infections" December 2009), "It is not the bugs that make us sick, but it is their "poop and pee". It is the substances that they send out to subdue our immune systems that make us feel ill." Yuck!!! Does that encourage you to move forward to detox or what?!
Very important to, "Detox, detox, detox."
Not related to LD, but something I'm sure you'll be interested to know as it relates to my total body, mind and spirit healing...but first let me back up and share:
December 2003, I had thyroid surgery. As a result the laryngeal nerve was damaged which caused my right vocal cord to become paralyzed. My voice tone quality went down, I haven't been able to sing; but worse, from time to time I have laryngeal spasms. When that happens I can't breathe! (I've heard you can actually go on YouTube and watch a person have an attack, although I'm not interested in doing that AT ALL! Having one of my own is bad enough. LOL, kinda.) Medically there is nothing that can be done to help me.
Anyway...
Reading Dr. J's book, specifically reading how his daughter was healed-her legs had become paralyzed after becoming ill with West Nile Virus-I wondered if there was any hope for me. After thinking about it, and praying about it for a while, I contacted Dr. J. He was very optimistic as he's seen others healed of various paralysis...
I made an appointment and in March 2010, I was treated by Dr. J at the Hansa Center. I continued treatment at home which involved homeopathic remedies among other things. I have not had a Laryngeal spasm since starting treatment! I noticed my voice was changing and becoming better in tone, more like my voice prior to that surgery. I was talking with my sister-in-law (she had no idea I am being treated) and she actually told me my voice sounded better, more like she remembered! I then shared with her about my treatment.
Yesterday I was driving and listening to K-Love. "Amazing Grace" (Chris Tomlin's) came on the radio and I wanted to sing so bad, so I tried. WOW! I did! I was able to make all the notes!!! (After the surgery, and for all this time, I have only had one note.)
My voice was soft, but I was able to sing. It was awesome!!! It's been 6 1/2 years since I really sang! And I sang with happy tears streaming down my face.
O, how I thank God, Dr. J, and American Biological Medicine!!!!
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Dr. J posted a very interesting blog this week titled, "Can Lyme Disease Be Cured?".
I've copied and pasted the beginning of the blog plus included the link below so you can continue reading it,
"The question of whether or not Lyme disease can be cured is a recurring question that is asked every doctor who is faced with a person suffering from the disease.
The term 'Cure' is almost taboo in the healing arts profession. No doctor that I know of is willing to say they can cure any illness...especially not Lyme disease.
Before we just say an absolute 'No' that Lyme disease is incurable lets see.." MORE CLICK LINK
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daisy,
Wow!!!! I am so thrilled for you that your voice quality improved and you were able to sing!!!
I will be sure to checkout the link later when I get a chance...thanks!
It was good to read your update...I missed it last time.
-------------------- The fibromyalgia I've had for 32 years was an undiagnosed Lyme symptom.
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You story is so moving! The way you and Gary posted during treatment and continue to update is such an appreciated service.
I love the people at the Hansa Center - I went a little different path with my Lyme Treatment , yet I still keep Hansa in the back of my mind - should the process need more attention in the future. I love that they respect the body that God designed and work in harmony with that. That approach all my Dr.'s must meet.
Can you share the bath formula - I have been doing a Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/ Baking Soda bath after using the body brush. The ginger is an interesting addition.
Peace, CalMom ``For I know the plans I have for you says the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.'' Jeremiah 29:1
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Again, why is everyone who can afford this doc not going there? He sounds like he cures almost everyone!!!
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BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND - HYDROGEN PEROXIDE/EPSOM SALT/GINGER BATH
Online there are various "recipes". We found everything at Wal-Mart. This "recipe" and information is from Dr. J's book**
Ingredients:
* 4-6 cups Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate).
* 32-64 fluid oz Hydrogen Peroxide (3%, as found in grocery store).
* 2-4 Tablespoons of Ginger (fresh grated preferably) wrapped in a thin piece of cloth or in a tea ball. An old piece of nylon hose also works well.) I cut up a pair of new nylons, after grating the ginger/measuring it out appropriately, stuffed the nylon and tied knots at the ends.
Instructions:
* Dry Skin Brush entire body for five minutes before bath, removes the layer of dead skin for better absorption (Gary and I have our own Dry Skin Brushes.) You start with the feet working upwards, hands move towards shoulders, torso upwards toward the heart, back upwards and over shoulders towards heart. Light pressure in areas where skin is thin, and harder pressure on places like soles of feet. (Now that I've got the hang of Dry Skin Brushing, I think I'm addicted to it. Ahhhhhh! Now I know how a dog feels to get his back scratched. )
* Fill the bath tub with WARM water. Then add Epsom Salt, Hydrogen Peroxide and Ginger "ball". Swirl water around, then get in the tub for 20 minutes MAX.
Shower off after wards so skin doesn't get dried out.
Gary and I both notice immediate results each time. Pain reduced or totally gone, nauseousness gone, plus more energy.
Actions of Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath
* Hydrogen Peroxide - a simple, nontoxic molecule of H2O2 that is beneficial in oxidizing (breaking down) toxins as well as killing anaerobic microbes. It will also detoxify pesticides and petroleum-based toxins and oxidize metals. Hydrogen peroxide is also naturally produced by macrophages in the body to kill harmful bacteria. Most harmful bacteria are anaerobic and cannot survive in the presence of oxygen or hydrogen peroxide. Cancer cells are often very sensitive to increases in oxygen and cannot survive in oxygen-rich environments. When hydrogen peroxide is applied topically to a cut, the resulting bubbling is from the rapid release of free oxygen and, more importantly, from the idling of the bacteria in the cut. Friendly bacteria are aerobic and need and thrive on oxygen.
* Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulfate) - Recent research has shown that when one soaks in a bath of magnesium sulfate, both magnesium and the sulfate independently increase measurably in the blood and urine. Magnesium sulfate helps stabilize Hydrogen Peroxide so that its ultimate breakdown into H2O and free oxygen is more gradual and functional to the process of benefiting the body. This research documents the very real beneficial aspects of this bath therapy. The Epsom Salt Council reports the following about the benefits of Magnesium in Epsom Salt baths.
Magnesium, a major component of Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate), is the second-most abundant element in human cells and the fourth-most important positively charged ion in the body. Magnesium also helps to regulate the activity of more than 325 enzymes and performs a vital roll in orchestrating many bodily functions, from muscle control and electrical impulses to energy production and the elimination of harmful toxins.
The National Academy of Sciences, however, reports that most Americans are magnesium deficient, which may account for our society's high rate of heart disease, stroke, osteoporosis, arthritis and joint pain, digestive maladies and stress-related illnesses, chronic fatigue and a host of other ailments. The Academy estimates the average American male gets just 80% of the magnesium required for good health, while females get only 70% of their recommended levels.
Nutritionists say Americans' magnesium levels have dropped more than 50% in the past century.
Raising magnesium levels may:
+ Improve heart and circulatory health, reducing irregular heartbeats, preventing hardening of the arteries, reducing blood cots, and lowering blood pressure.
+ Improve the body's ability to use insulin, reducing the incidence or severity of diabetes.
+ Flush toxins and heavy metals from the cells, easing muscle pain and helping the body to eliminate harmful substances.
+ Improve nerve function by regulating electrolytes. Also, calcium is the main conductor for electrical current in the body, and magnesium is necessary to maintain proper calcium levels in the blood.
+ Relieve stress. Excess adrenaline and stress are believed to drain magnesium, a natural stress reliever, from the body. Magnesium is necessary fore the body to bind adequate amounts of serotonin, a mood-elevating chemical within the brain that creates a feeling of well being and relaxation.
Sulfate: The "sulfate" part of the Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). This form of sulfate must not be confused with "Sulfa" drugs, to which some people are allergic. People who are allergic to sulfa drugs will not react to sulfate in Epsom Salt. The benefits of sulfate in the body are summarized by Dr. Rosemary Waring of the School of Biosciences, in Birmingham, England:
+ Oral supplementation of Sulfate cannot be easily absorbed across the gut walls; therefore, by soaking in this bath, sulfate can be more efficiently supplemented. Sulfate is essential for many biological processes.
+ Sulfate is needed for formation of proteins in joints; decreased sulfate levels are common in the plasma and joint synovial fluids in cases of arthritis. Sulfate is also low in people with irritable bowel syndrome.
+ Sulfate is necessary for sulfation, a major pathway in detoxifying drugs and endogenous (toxins from within the body) or exogenous (environmental ) toxins.
+ Sulfate is necessary for the repair and formation of brain tissue. Reduced levels of sulfate can lead to faulty neurological connections and subsequent dysfunction.
+ Sulfate is needed for proper digestion and for proper utilization of digestive enzymes.
+ Sulfate is essential for the production of mucin, a protein which lines the intestines. Mucin stops food and drugs form sticking to the lining of the intestines. It also blocks the transport of toxins from the gut into the bloodstream.
* Ginger - functions to open up the pores of the skin and increase the blood flow at the surface of the skin so that the oxygen from the hydrogen peroxide can do its work in detoxifying poisons and kill bacteria and fungi. The pores open wider so that the magnesium sulfate can be more readily absorbed. Ginger is invigorating and can stimulate preparation for the elimination of toxins.
**From "Beating Lyme Disease: Living the Good Life In Spite of Lyme" by Dr. J.
(Lymetoo, Is this where I say, "Do not take this as medical advice but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once" )
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Dekrator, My friend, it is WOW! And I'm so very blessed to have your prayers, too. I'm sure they play a big role in this miracle taking place with my throat.
calmom, You share, "I love that they (Hansa Center doctor's) respect the body that God designed and work in harmony with that. That approach all my Dr.'s must meet." That is an awesome statement and one that Gary and I learned the hard way. But thankfully we learned it!!!! God continue to lead you. Jeremiah 29:11-One of my favorite verses in God's Word.
Peace to you too, calmom, and others reading this thread.
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Daisy, thank you so much for sharing. Was wondering, have you seen many patients at the Center with chemical sensitivities?
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Tonglen, we met one young boy at the Center who was being treated for chemical sensitivities. They treat everything you can imagine, even and especially cases (like gwb and me) where the so-called "medical experts" are not able to offer any help.
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Thx! Be well.
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Thanks for posting the blog. Interesting perspective. So many people stress over the testing & whether they have bacteria, viruses, etc. that they can verify. It's about science & I can understand why people may feel this way.
Healing is an art. We are more that just being numbers on a test. Antibiotics have their place but sometimes we need more. I'm going to have to study Dr. Js methods again. I can't afford to see him but maybe there's some things I can try on my own.
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Hi thanks again for this thread and the updates.
I have been doing ok though have had a setback with acupuncture and just hope that the boost to my immune system which was too strong and seemed to increase the thyroid antibodies and make the thyroid worse will be ok with less aggrressive treatment and am working on detoxification and waiting for a frequency device to arrive - I have decided on this treatment and especially as the device is authorised where I live and is very popular amongst therapists. I am thinking of using the Hansa remedies as well and tested a list of them using kinesiology which I do on myself with success though some say that you cannot if you are sick. It is something that I would have utterly rejected in the days when I thought that a believer should use the medical establishment and other cures were new agey - ha I have come a long way!
So the things that tested right for me are the Microbojen and the Neuro-Atitox 11 CNS/PNS but I will have to ask whether they are compatible with electric therapy.
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: Thanks for posting the blog. Interesting perspective. So many people stress over the testing & whether they have bacteria, viruses, etc. that they can verify. It's about science & I can understand why people may feel this way.
Healing is an art. We are more that just being numbers on a test. Antibiotics have their place but sometimes we need more. I'm going to have to study Dr. Js methods again. I can't afford to see him but maybe there's some things I can try on my own.
The best thing you could do is buy his book "Beating Lyme Disease" by Dr. J. It's available on his website at the Hansa Center. It's one of the best books out there on Lyme disease.
You could do the protocol at home and save thousands of dollars. One gal over on the Healing Well forum followed the protocol in the book and got completely well in 8-9 months. If you want her name to look up her posts pm me and I'll send it to you.
Gary
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Thanks! I'll look into getting the book. I'm doing OK with my own protocol but I could use some additional ideas or insights.
After all of these years - I'm not absolutely sure it's even Lyme. It may be XMRV or ...? My diagnosis was clinical. I think there may be alot of people treating Lyme when it may be something else - just like there are false negatives.
Glad to hear that something helped you!
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Good afternoon gwb,
The last couple of weeks I have been in so much pain....I think caused by sky-diving with my dad and stress maybe... could also be from smoking three packs of cigaretts after quitting for several months. The pain has been difficult to live with. Prier to all this I would say most days I have felt 75%-80% better.
I got up this morning and have had no smokes and decided to try the epsom/perox/ginger bath you have talked about. I did the body scrub first then soaked for 20 min., at first when I got out; I felt woozy and wanted to lay back down, then I started sweating.
Within one hour I started feeling better... The pain in my face and head started subsiding. The burning is at a tolerable level now.
So there is something to say about detoxing.
Can I dunk my head and face in the bath next time? smile
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Hi Gary,
We have been seiously talking about the Hansa Center and have been doing some research on it. The center says it's a two week treatment... Can I do one week and still get great benefits from the program? Trying to get our fundings together for a two week treatment.. gas, food, lodging, etc.
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Sorry, I'm a little skeptical about the Center.
Lobelia, a very toxic flower and plant, is the main ingredient in their Neuro formula. I paid $60 for it, and then did the research on the internet. I was aghast. I tried to get a refund, but could not.
I spoke with this wife about it on the telephone, but she wasn't very clear or assuring.
Hydrogen peroxide therapy is no longer advised. Some people have died. Don't ever do the Hydrogen Peroxide IV. REsearch on the internet.
However, I recognize that some are doing very well on his protocol. It seams $5,000 is an awful lot of $$$ to spend, but if it helps a few, then it is worth it, I guess.
I will try to keep an open mind, but I would love to see the statistics of those treated and those that get well.
IMO, CherylSue
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daisy or gwb,
What kind of brush should one buy to do the dry skin brushing?
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Gary
Do you still continue to do well ?? OR are you getting even better? Or do you feel like you kinda are staying at the same place?/
How are things going overall?
What have you stuck with that help the most of the teatments?
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Thank you, sparkle!!
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quote:Originally posted by Dekrator48: daisy or gwb,
What kind of brush should one buy to do the dry skin brushing?
Dekrator48,
So sorry for not responding sooner. We have been very busy with our organization and out of town quite a bit lately. Finally I'm able to get caught up on some of the comments and questions that I haven't yet responded to.
You can get them at Whole Foods if there's one near you. I also have a shorter handle brush that I can use in the shower to clean with and I use it for dry skin cleaning too. The shorter handle one is a bit easier to use for me, but they both work good, it's just a matter of preference.
Hope you got one and have started using it along with your detox baths. The detoxing has done me a world of good. I do the baths three times a week and try to dry brush daily but am not as faithful with that as I should be.
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quote:Originally posted by springshowers: Gary
Do you still continue to do well ?? OR are you getting even better? Or do you feel like you kinda are staying at the same place?/
How are things going overall?
What have you stuck with that help the most of the teatments?
Hi springshowers,
As I said on a previous post, forgive me for the delay in responding. We've been busy with our organization and out of town quite a bit. Plus, I admit I kind of forgotten about this thread and haven't paid much attention to it until this morning. Glad I checked as I see there are some unanswered questions and comments that I need to respond to.
I wanted to just say for now, I'm doing really well overall. I want to share more details with you about how I've been doing since my last posts here, but right now we are getting ready for church. I will try to get back later today and give you some more detailed answers as to how I've been doing lately.
But, I can say that the progress I've made has been holding up and I have not regressed or lost any ground. Is everyday a perfect day, no it isn't. But that's the part I'll share with you when I have more time. I feel it's appropriate I give you (and others here who are interested) a more in depth report on how I've been doing over the past two to three months. I will try my best to do that later today, if not, it will for sure be no later than the middle of the week. Thanks for your patience.
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I know it's been a while since we've been here, glad to see Gary responded to ya'll.
Little update about me:
I continue to do well on Dr. J's protocol for LD and Co. Between the remedies and detoxing I'm feeling really good.
Actually, I want to share about something else that I'm pretty excited about.
Dr. J is treating my throat. In 2003 I had thyroid surgery that left my laryngeal nerve damaged resulting in my right vocal cord becoming paralyzed. (You can read my post for details about this on page 3/July 3, 2010.) Dr. J is treating me with different therapies...including cold laser therapy, homeopathic remedies...to name a few.
I am so thrilled because my voice quality is improving, people are noticing.
Get this--yesterday, my grandson said to me, "Grandma your voice is better! I can tell your voice is better!"
Folks, he is six years old! I've not talked with him about my voice. Of course, I was so curious and had to ask him, "How can you tell?"
He told me, "You can talk louder."
That was so thrilling and funny too. No, I wasn't yelling at him. As it turned out, we were playing a game with a hover flying toy, things got kind of exciting, and I hadn't even noticed I was talking louder. (In the past my voice has been soft, and I have "physically" not been able to talk loud.)
American Biological Medicine...it really is working!!!
That's if for now. I'll be back with more updates as to my progress ie: LD and throat.
May the path you have chosen lead to your healing...body, mind, and spirit.
Blessings, Rhonda
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gwb,
Thank you for your response.
I got the dry skin brush yesterday.
Today I travel to see my LLMD, so I plan to try the brushing and bath tomorrow.
Thank you again!
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quote:Originally posted by CherylSue: Sorry, I'm a little skeptical about the Center.
Lobelia, a very toxic flower and plant, is the main ingredient in their Neuro formula. I paid $60 for it, and then did the research on the internet. I was aghast. I tried to get a refund, but could not.
I spoke with this wife about it on the telephone, but she wasn't very clear or assuring.
Hydrogen peroxide therapy is no longer advised. Some people have died. Don't ever do the Hydrogen Peroxide IV. REsearch on the internet.
However, I recognize that some are doing very well on his protocol. It seams $5,000 is an awful lot of $$$ to spend, but if it helps a few, then it is worth it, I guess.
I will try to keep an open mind, but I would love to see the statistics of those treated and those that get well.
IMO, CherylSue
CherylSue,
Sorry I haven't posted sooner but we have been out of town and extremely busy the past few months. I am so far behind on updating this thread and feel bad about it.
I wanted to respond to your comment about the Lobelia that you mentioned as an ingredient in one of the Jernigan remedies. I don't know when you ordered your remedy, but over a year ago the Lobelia plant substance was removed from all of Dr. J's remedies.
However, if you do a google search on this plant, you'll find a good amount of information touting the benefits of this plant. Also, there are different varieties of the Lobelia plant.
Keep in mind, when Dr. J developed these remedies, many of them he took himself since he had Lyme disease, so there would be no reason for a person who is an expert in botanical medicine to take something that he knows would poison himself. Dr. J never puts anything in his remedies that will poison them.
But, that's all beside the point now. He took it out of his remedies because of people who would read information on the internet (not always accurate) and it would scare them away from this remedy. He decided to remove it so that people would not need to worry about whether they were getting "poison" in their medicines. They weren't then, and they aren't now.
By the way, not to defend the Lobelia plant, that really isn't important in light of the fact that Dr. J doesn't use it anymore, but if you are curious to read differing views about this plant here's a couple of good links to read:
Not completely related to the topic, but speaking of poisons, this is something a friend of mine who has a pharmaceutical background sent me.
"If people knew the poisons they were taking in the pharmaceutical realm they would really be up in arms. The average American consumes 12 different prescriptions. Coumadin for thinning the blood is nothing but rat poison that you can buy from Ace Hardware. Premarin is derived from Horse urine and has likely led to the death of many thousands of women through increasing cancer. Blood pressure meds are often from snake venom".
Yuk, who'd have ever thought that popular medicines were made from poisons like these?
One other thing, you mentioned in this same post was about the dangers of Hydrogen Peroxide IV. Not sure if you were connecting this to Dr. J or not, but he does not do Hydrogen Peroxide IV's. He does have a hydrogen peroxide, epsom salt, grated ginger detox bath recipe for detoxing. Not sure where you got the information about him doing Hydrogen Peroxide IV's because he definitely does not do this.
About the expense, well, there's a lot I could say about that but I need to get ready for work and will save that for another post. If you read this thread, you will know that this protocol basically saved my life. Yes, I don't deny it's expensive, but like I've said before, if the protocol gets you better--it's priceless!
I'm living now like I've haven't lived in five years. I can do things I haven't been able to do in years and have energy to do it. Most importantly, I have hope again. I had come to the point where I lost all hope of ever getting better. But now, I have hope that I will continue to get better, even though I'm doing wonderful now, I still believe I can get better than I am now. So, yes, it is expensive, but having my life back is so worth it. I just wish I had known about this protocol five years ago.
Gotta go to work now. More later!
Gary
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It's really great reading gwb's (my husband's) recent post. Living with him and seeing first hand his improvement; well, I'll just say, "It is great to have my Gary back!!!" Our family is a lovin' it too!!!
Wanted to share the latest with me. I, too, am thankful that I'm improving and the best part--I have very few "off" days.
Saturday, August 7, I woke drenched in sweat, tired, and dragged myself out of bed. My lower back hurt, had brain fog, air hunger, and felt nauseated. My hubby and I had a commitment that I really wanted to keep. After moving around, taking a shower, I felt some better and was able to keep that commitment. In the afternoon when we arrived back home I laid down and slept four hours.
Sunday, August 8, I was still tired, sweaty, had the back pain, and air hunger. The brain fog and nauseousness were gone. I decided to add an extra hydrogen peroxide/epsom salt bath to my regular routine. After the bath the back pain was gone and has not returned. (No remedies on Sunday as Dr. J has his patients skip remedies and supplements one day a week...for me it is Sundays.) After church we joined family for lunch at a restaurant. When we arrived home I took a three hour nap. Since waking up my symptoms are gone, with the exception of sweating and air hunger.
Overall I feel good and my energy level is better. It's been a good week.
Since starting Dr. J's protocol I have had ONLY four days or so that were not that good. That is amazing when you consider I was sick, almost daily, when I was being treated with abx.
Later this month, Gary and I are going to the Hansa Center for "tune-ups"...will have our remedies BRS tested and changes made to our protocols as needed, get some heavy duty detoxing done, also gotta have Melissa's massage!
Labor Day weekend we have plans to fly to Florida to visit our son, his wife, and our two granddaughters again. Life is good--Thank God!
Will keep you posted.
Blessings, Rhonda
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Hansa Center my two day "tune up" August 24-25, 2010.
The atmosphere at the Center feels more like walking into a friend's house than walking into a doctor's office. This helps calm people and alleviate concerns/fears imagined before arriving. The staff is very warm and joyful, while at the same time professional. When GWB/Gary and I arrived there were hugs all around.
It was quite busy...many others with Lyme were being treated as well...and it was great to talk with each one.
Anyway...let me catch you up to speed since my last post...
In July we were at a conference in Las Vegas for ten days. The day we were to fly home I woke and felt pain in my chest. It wasn't too bad at first, however, by the time we arrived at the airport it was a lot worse, plus I was short of breath. I ignored it until I became nauseated. That's when I told my husband. I started sweating and had chills. Became tired. My left arm and left hand became numb. Then my right hand. I did not feel well and, try as I could with my best poker face, I couldn't continue to hide how bad I felt. OK, so airport personnel called 911.
Paramedics started IV, gave me four baby aspirin, nitro tablet, and did an EKG. (I hated taking those pills!) ER bottom line...after a heart attack was ruled out...the doctor said I probably had either an ulcer or gastritis and wanted to give me a proton pump inhibitor which I refused.
Long story short, we arrived home and off and on I had some stomach issues but didn't think too much about it. Then August 21, the Saturday before my visit to the Hansa Center, I had the worst stomach pain in my life! I can only describe it as looking like I was six months pregnant with twins...and they were boxing all day. I did take some gas-X...and that finally helped.
I shared the above with Dr. J. He felt my stomach/abdomen and found that I had a hiatal hernia. Mini-lesson: The diaphragm separates our lower organs from our heart and lungs. There is a hole in the diaphragm where the esophagus passes through. A hiatal hernia happens when the stomach/part of the stomach passes through the opening in the diaphram and moves upwards. This can cause various issues including putting pressure on the heart and lungs. (In the ER the doctor never did touch my stomach or abdomen.)
Dr. J did a procedure, several times, where he pressed on the middle of my chest and then pushed down until he got the stomach back to its proper position. The results were immediate; I could literally feel the difference. And I have not had any problem since. (You can google about hiatal hernias and specifically that procedure...I found it interesting to read about.)
I look forward to sharing more about my recent "tune up" at the Hansa Center next time.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your wife.
Thank you for taking the time to post for all of us "out here" to learn.
Good Luck, Connie in STL
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daisy,
I'm so sorry to hear that you went through all that!
I am grateful that you did not have a heart attack, and that your Dr was able to help you.
Wishing you and Gary only good days ahead.
Prayers for continued healing for both of you!!
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God bless and good health.
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Hi Connie, This may sound like a strange thing for me to say, but actually this thread has turned out interesting to Gary and me too. This whole alternative journey into American Biological Medicine has been quite eye-opening for us...to say the least. We've learned so much...and continue to learn. I guess we're all learning together.
Thank you so much for your thoughts and prayers for us...they are always welcome!
God bless you, Rhonda
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Dekrator, Yeah, I'm grateful too. Big Smile. Oh, yeah, only good days ahead...sounds greaaaaaaat!!
Thanks for your prayers.
You're in my prayers too...you and your family, friend.
Blessings always, Rhonda
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