Been reading a lot about parasites on this site and others. A lot of people feel if you are not getting better its probably parasites.
My son has been tested twice and both times negative, stool test from doctors data and also from regular MD, wherever they send it to, not sure.
Was put on A-P drops from BW but not for long. No change.
Is it OK to take something just to see if you have them. If so, what and for how long before you'll know.
Also will it hurt you if you really don't have parasites.
One last thing, he's currently taking Flagyl, can you treat for parasite while on this?
His Mom
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I tested negative for parasites for years and was loaded with them. Parasite testing is just not reliable and if you read the statistics, over 90% of the population is infected.
Antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy and Humaworm to name a few will also hit other infections.
Salt/c is reported to kill spirochetes as well as the cyst form. IMO, it is fine to take the herbs to see if you have a problem.
It took me 6 mos of strong and persistent ingestion of herbs and then salt/c for them to let go. This is what came out of me..www.lymephotos.com. Some folks have good results with the pharma antiparasitics.
TammyN on here has a Dr. K. practioner that does ART and has helped her get rid of a LOT of parasites. Hopefully she will see this and can give you some names. She is from N. J. as well.
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I've been doing parastroy for three weeks and just started salt/c today. I've noticed the past 3-4 days I seem to have yeast symptoms..itching, sore scalp, pimples, extra tired. Maybe disrupting the parasites is causing yeast to flare. Would adding charcoal help cleanse the yeast and parasites?
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I would love the name of your practitioner also Tammy. Thanks so much!!
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I took coconut oil and coconut water when doing herbs and salt/c to kill off any candida. Warm water enemas help a lot to release dead and dying parasites in the lower colon.
Gael
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frikfrak and jlcd1- sending PMs.
I think treating parasites is perhaps the most important thing we can to in order to begin regaining our health. I wish it took me less than 20 years to figure this out....but grateful nonetheless to have finally found this path.
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jlf2012, yes - charcoal might help. Food grade diatomaceous earth taken away from meds/supplements by at least an hour may help to. Good luck!
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My allergist said yeaterday that I have major inflammation in my lungs. I know I have scarring from lifelong inflammation, but want to now treat for parasites. I have artemisinin at home, and was wondering about adding mimosa pudica. Or, should I go for something like parastroy? I also take r lipoic acid and NAC for glutithiaone. Should I continue this while taking art. and/or mimosa pud.?
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I would just go for the Parastroy. The 3 most important herbs to target parasites are Wormwood, Black walnut Hull and Cloves. You might want to also consider adding salt/c to the mix.
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i take the artemisinin now, 6 pills for 2 days in a row, then skip a day, then repeat.
I also use mimosa pudica and salt c has been added in. It makes me so sick sometimes so I'm scared to keep going. Is it normal to have to stay home and be close to a bathroom all day, because that's how i feel.
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I would cut back on the Salt C if you are feeling this way. With Salt C, you are supposed to increment very slowly and decrease your dosage when you start to herx or have loose stools. I don't know if the mimosa or artemisinin could also be contributing. I hope you feel better.
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PLEASE don't stop the salt/c except when you are herxing. It can be invaluable at killing parasites and bb. I got diarrhea even at low doses. Lower the dose if you feel too sick.
Lymephotos says it is from dieoff. Drinking coconut water that is high in potassium is a good idea to help balance electrolytes when on salt/c.
The people that have the most success with salt/c are the ones that stay on it and perservere.
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I'm missing salt c (can't wait to get back on it). I felt so much better on it (on day 13 of albenza).
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Thanks to Gael and all thrParasiteWarriors for helping me gett my life back
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Oh dyna, So very happy to hear you are well. That is such great news!!
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I don't want anyone to misunderstand my post I didn't mean to advise stopping the Salt C. By "cutting back", I meant to reduce the dosage if you are feeling really bad. Those are the instructions that are given in the Salt C Plus Protocol. I have highlighted below...
"You must do it exactly according to your body and your situation. In other words, it does not matter what anyone else has done or is doing, the method is designed to be uniquely tailored to you and what is right for you.
Bottom line is those who resist the temptation to overwhelm the body� by simply �loading-up� without regard for the Scale-Up Method will have the best potential for success."
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Can you do the Sea Salt without the vitamin C?
Would that still kill parasites?
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Wow - my kids are really fighting today...I guess it could be related to the full moon? But wasn't it last night? Is anyone else having an increase in symptoms?
Thanks, tickbattler
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Ema,
It's best to do the protocol the way it was established, using the sea salt and the vitamin C together. Is there a reason you only want to do just the salt?
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Ema,
If you just have sea salt on hand, it is antibacterial and antiparasitic, so I would start it a a low dose in a glass of water. You can start with 1/4tsp. Add the vitamin C ASAP.
Hope this helps,
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So I am now taking paracide and doing chelation and seem to be passing biofilms but kind of confused because I have been on and off the paracide for about 3 weeks now and haven't really seen any worms yet.
I feel like total crap and have since starting it and was doing quite well before starting but I do only take it about 3 days a week.
Can even 3 days a week of this make you feel like crap and cause a wickid long herx and how long does it take to start seeing worms? I am seeing a lot of sludge and mucus and what I think are biofilms. also noticing an increase in Bart sx.
Also how long can it take to feel any better?
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Can the parasite treatment also make you feel really out of it with brain fog?
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Maya,
Attacking parasites can def cause brain fog from the dieoff. They love the head and can nest under the scalp as well. There is also a brain/gut connection and parasites are known to hibernate in the small intestine. It is also a full moon!
Hope you feel better.
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Can the parasites cause a lot of strange head symptoms like pressure and heaviness in te face and head and sinuses also confusion and very tight neck muscles and shoulder muscles?
Can parasites effect the teeth and jaw and make them feel numb or heavy or very tight, stiff and sore?
I know you mentioned before Gail, that you had teeth problems.
If they love the head and scalp I wonder if this is what is causing many of my strange head sensations and slightly strange thinking and slight disconnect.
Also having a lot of bloating and feelings of things moving in my abdomen and things biting me from inside?
Was doing almost 60 % better at times till I started treating parasites.
Can thy also flare some psych sx that had been almost gone? Or what sorts of psych sx can they cause?
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I mean an treating them flare psych sx and what?
I just have this strong sensation that nothing feels right and that I am not fully grounded or connected to myself like I was. Also a bit depressed and more anxious/ obsessive then I was before starting to treat them.
Also way more body pain
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Anyone have luck with DE (Diatomaceous Earth}?
Thinking about giving it a try, the food grade type.
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Maya,
I have had ALL the symptoms you are describing. If you are feeling movement in your abdomen, it would be a very good idea to do a warm water enema or better yet a colonic, to release the dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.
It is also a FULL MOON today and that is when the parasites are extremely active. The salt/c protocol was helpful in releasing a lot of the parasites for me.
The salt makes them try and find an exit to get away. I was spitting the eggs shell blue ones pictured on www.lymephotos.com out of my mouth. I also felt very spacey and disconnected at times.
Gael
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Maya -- what is the treatment you have been on?
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I just got diagnosed with Babesia and LD, waiting on the Rx's from my LLMD in the mail.
The bugs are aware that I know of them now, and they have been targeted for destruction. They are moving about more freely and attacking various parts of me on a constant basis.
Gael's info about the full moon affecting them makes me think too of how I haven't been able to sleep during a full moon for years now-my bullseye rash was over 10 years ago.
Victim of Stupid Doctor with God Complex Year 2002
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Love your signature line Crawgirl!
" Victim of Stupid Doctor with God Complex"
Maya,
How are you feeling?
CD57,
Hope you are considering parasite tx of either herbs and salt/c or Pharma. You can always start with something like Parastroy.
Gael
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Hey guys, I am on paracide and doing chelation , hbot, ala, NAC and pleo chelate
I am feeling ok but brain fog is still bad , tired and have some head pressure but right now the worst is the itching and burning of skin, chills, slight sore throat and all over muscle cramping, stiffness and body pain.
Is it normal for this to flare with parasite treatment?
Haven't been this stiff and sore and cramps in a long time. Also tonnes of rib pain and some dizziness, and sob , I feel like the paracide is hitting the babs.
Also still a bit disconnected and everything feels a bit surreal
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I also have a bit of swelling in my hands and face which seems odd
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The paracide really seems to hit me hard and I. Am also getting more weakness and creaking and cracking of my joints, feel like I am 90 ugggg.
Also having some emotions that I wonder may be coming from the parasites dying. Things like thinking I am dying or that I can't stand treatment anymore. And I really wonder if it is the parasites dying and projecting this on me
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When I was hitting parasites really hard, I would cry and sob for an hour at a time. I intuitevly knew it was a herx. Shedding of emotions are very common and also feeling like you are dying etc.
Very insightful that somehow the parasites dying are projecting this onto you. I think you may be right. I really believe that these parasites are more evolved and intelligent than we realize.
Just a reminder Maya, that you can take a break until the herxing calms down and then resume. That is what's advised with the salt/c protocol.
Warm water enemas may be very helpful for you to release the dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon. Hang in there, it will be worth it. Getting rid of parasites is Key in getting well.
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I really feel with a flare in all my sx recently after about 2 good months that parasites and lead and biofilms are at the bottom of my problems.
As soon as I started targeting the parasites and metals I had a huge flare making me think that this is the right direction.
I am generally in a better place than I was 6 mths ago after getting off the abx and having had a lot of detoxing and ozone treatments.
I will just take the paracide slowly and keep knocking away at te buggers as not to herx too severely.
Thanks for the words of encouragement Gael, much appreciated.
And the more I live with this disease the more I do believe that they strongly effect our thinking and emotions.
As I slowly progress and my rational mind comes back I see this more and more
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The only thing I am wondering is can you be killing parasites but not see them in the toilet?
I def feel like I am herxing from the paracide and do see a lot of sludge like mucous coming out but can the herbs pulverize the parasites so badly that they come out as just mucous or should I be seeing something more formed?
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Yes you can be killing them, but the bigger ones could be in the lower colon and need help getting out.
You probably would benefit greatly from a colonic, or as I mentioned before a warm water enema.
Adding salt/c for me was key in getting them to flush out of the lower colon. It also gave that extra punch in killing them and making them let go.
Gael
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I did try a warm water enema but didn't get anything out. Can they hang on for a while before letting go and coming out?
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I did try a warm water enema but didn't get anything out. Can they hang on for a while before letting go and coming out?
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I would add a low dose of salt/c. Try 1/4tsp sea salt with a 1/4tsp Ester C powder in a glass of water per day. If you herx too hard, then pull back. Mine hung on for 6 mos of doing very strong herbs, but let go the second day of doing salt/c.
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I actually did add a bit of salt last night and take daily vit c.
Can the parasite herx make you feel really sick and fluish, dizzy, sore, stiff , headache, stomach pain and nausea?
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Yes, Maya, the symptoms are from the dieoff and toxins the parasites are releasing. You might want to consider a binder such as chlorella. Drink extra water and add some lemon to help flush out these toxins.
They also release heavy metals and yeast. Coconut water and coconut oil are antifungal and antiparasitic.
Gael
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Hi gael, thanks again for the help. I think I will take some binders tonight and then maybe back off the paracide for a few days.
I wonder if I am also hitting some babs with it
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Your welcome Maya,
IMO, and in my case, I found that antiparasitics and the salt/c hit all of the infections. Lymestrategies states that salt also kills bb abd the cyst form.
Hope you have a restful evening,
Gael
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Hello All...
I have a question about the effects of surgery and steroids on parasites. We all know about the dangers of steroids re; Lyme/co.s, but does the same apply to parasites?
I underwent necessary neuro surgery (my 3rd one in 3 years for a condition unrelated to Lyme) 2 weeks ago and beginning to feel flared - just not sure if it is a TBI or parasite flare.
I had to have three bags of steroids to reduce potential brain swelling but with each steroid dose I also had IV Vancomycin (sp).
The best I ever felt during my 10 years of off and on tbi treatment was after treating parasites a while back. Llmd wants to hit both hard w/ meds but I know doing both will be too harsh on my body.
Sorry for the rambling but looking to see if surgery and/or steriods could fuel parasites.
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So I passed a piece of worm today and no question it was a worm.
Nothing I have eaten recently would look like that at all.
Yay, no wonder I have been herxing and now I have proof as to why.
Kind of makes the herxing worth it.
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desertwind,
Anytime you are given something like steroids that suppress the immune system, it allows other infections such as parasites to proliferate.
Don't fret though, just go after them again and STAY on an antiparasitic protocol whether pharmas or herbs and salt/c. Some her have had good results alternating between pharmas and alternatives.
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I didn't mean to advise stopping the Salt C. By "cutting back", I meant to reduce the dosage if you are feeling really bad. Those are the instructions that are given in the Salt C Plus Protocol. I have highlighted below...![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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