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Thanks for posting this link TuTu. I am pretty sure I had lung worms as I had severe asthma for over 40yrs. Antiparasitics and salt/c got rid of this infection for me.
I suspect most people dx with asthma and perhaps COPD have a lungworm infection. Don't understand why most pulmonologists are so in the dark about this infection. VERY disturbing to say the least.
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Thanks for posting about the Rope parasite above. I have passed hundreds of these adult rope worms and did not know exactly what they were. Now I know. (Disgusting....ugh.)
I have only seen the adult stage (many), and some on the 3rd stage....none of the others though. I have had tons of the fecal stones they mention.
Sometimes I worry.....am I ever going to be able to get rid of these things? I have been treating a very long time and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight. Feeling heavy on the topic at the moment.
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Tammy,
YES!! you will get rid of them eventually. You have to remember that they have had a long time to infiltrate our body, laying eggs and larva and disseminating to other organs. The lymephotos site says it can take 3-5 yrs to get rid of this type of infection.
I haven't seen any big ones in several yrs at least. Started exiting in 2006)You will still have to get rid of the smaller ones and the eggs and larva. Kinda like peeling an onion.
Try and take extra cloves (Hanna Kroeger) as they do kill the eggs. The good news is that you have uncovered what was making you so sick and you are on the road to life...not death.
I know it can get frustrating, but just try and stay focused on the end goal. Remember, maintenance FOREVER as Hulda Clark suggests. You will get better and better.
Onward and Upward,
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I just wanted to share my recent experience with treating Parasites with a Pharma. protocol.
I have been "sick" with TBI's for close to 10 years...tried everything..this, that and the other but would always relpase. Finally after getting fed up with the abx. merry go round, I insited on testing and treating for Parasites.
Tested positive and recently treated with a week long regimine ( I know, I know not nearly long enough). I have dabbled with herbs over the past year or so and got a little benefit but nothing like I got from the meds.
I herxed like mad but then the haze cleared and I feel better then I can remember EVER feeling. I do believe, as so many of you do, that parasties ARE the missing piece. I know that I will be at it a long time and will need to repeat, repeat, repeat and add herbs back in etc.
I still do not know that my abx.s days are completely over but I do feel like I am on the right healing path and am getting ready for round two of treatment!
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GREAT to hear desertwind. I am soo happy this is working for you! Thanks for sharing because it is soooo important for others to hear.
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what were you positive for and what pharmas were used?
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Thanks glm111 - I certainly want to share my mini success!
Yes, I am excited yet realistic in that I need much longer treatment. But I am so very happy to feel like "me" again...I felt like the abx.s were not doing it for me and just made me feel sicker and sicker. Not a true herx where you feel BETTER after you feel sick. I think at this point the abx.s just fed my yeast which feeds my parasites..I am suppose to pulse my abx.s but for now decided to hold off for a bit longer.
VV; I was positive for Protozoa via Metragenix Stool test.
I used;
Biltricide for 2 days Ivermecitin for 1 day Pin-X for 3 days (was suppose to do 1 day but I did 2 extra days) Alinia for 3 days.
I know alot of people do this protocol for a much longer period but I think my LLMD wanted to see how I responded before having me go on it for an extended period of time.
My nightseats are completly gone - vanished! I am not getting adrenaline rushes at night nor am I restless all night long. I feel like my body is mine again..I know sounds wierd but that is how it feels.
My TMJ and scalp/skull pain/neuropathy got about 75% better and continues to feel better. I do fear that will come back if I do not re-treat.
Anyway, so many of my lyme /TBI sx got better after just one week of parasite treatment.
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Awesome, Desertwind!
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Thanks catgirl!
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Desertwind, that is awesome that you have seen such quick benefits!
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Thanks for the pep talk Gael. Onward ho!
desertwind - that's an encouraging start. You are on the right path. Stick with it. I started to feel immediately better once starting parasite meds also.
I have to remind myself of all the great progress I have made. I am wayyyy better than I was....all thanks to parasite treatment (and good detox support). I am very grateful. I will not lose sight of this path.
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As ivermectin did wonders to restore my health, I have to say parasites must have been an issue. I never saw anything suspicious in my stools so I thought it was mainly addressing the protomyxzoa, which is a blood parasite.
Now I am wondering if I have something else, like toxoplasmosis. I have always had cats so there is no doubt I could have been exposed to it and with a weakened immune system, it may have become active.
Ivermectin is a broad spectrum wormer but it does not hit everything. What else should I try? I read I could get albendazole from the feed store. Would that be a good start? Do I have to take fat with it? I can't tolerate fat because of the PR.
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Anyone have strange "poping" sound in their head while treating? My wife has been having this during a herx. Right now she is just doing salt/c 1/4 1x a day.
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I just got some albenza. My doc said I needed to take it with fats.
Neff, maybe it's like malarone/meperon (supposed to take them with fats, but they still work without). Perhaps they may work better with it, but doubt the pharma company knew about protomyxzoa.
I don't think we need to take all the pharma companies recommendations so seriously. For example, I still got better even though I took doxy with foods high in calcium/magnesium (cheese, etc). It may have weakened the med, but the med still worked on me.
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nefferdun,
Maybe try pinx which is effective against pin worm and ascaris(roundworm) and can be purchased at the drugstore. Of course albenza is another option as are several other pharma meds.
Can't remember if you tried salt/c and antiparasitic herbs, but even if you have, I would give it another shot. The Ivermectin might have weakened some of the parasites and the salt/c could make them let go.
That's what happened with me after six mos of herbs. These invaders are masters at survival and it can take different strategies to kill them.
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Daynise: 200 ticks at once? Were you in a deer bed? And yes Maya12 I've often told people that same thing about us being made of more bacteria and stuff than human cells and that the candida for example shout out: "eat more bread! Or cookies, yeah, we like cookies!" I'm taking the A-P formula for parasites along with my A-L and A-Bab to get rid of the parasites. Seems to be working. I think I'm more sensitive to radiation and EMFs now so looking forward to Byron's next teleconference on that subject. But I have to just take care of one thing at a time. Like moving a mountain. One shovel at a time! Thanks for all the great info here. It really helps! Info is liberation!!!
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I'm feeling so overwhelmed by all of this like many of us are. I broke down yesterday and I'm brushing myself off today.
In January I pulled a worm out of my nose and a couple days later coughed up another one. The first concrete proof of an infestation in the 10 years I've suffered. It all began with a sudden and very distended abdomen and constipation when I was 27. No Dr. ever treated me for it of course (just diagnosed me with IBS).
I showed the photos I took of the worms to my LLNP. She was shocked and fascinated and admitted that she, nor the LLMD she works under has experience treating for parasites. !! She only gave me a single dose of Ivermectin and said she doesn't want to treat further until she knows EXACTLY what the organism is. Though the test through Genova Labs showed nothing and of course I haven't seen another worm exit.
I'm at my wits end and I want to purchase all the pharma drugs I can online. I'm currently taking sat/c and Parastroy but at this point I really believe its going to take everything possible.
I realize it's risky to order meds online but these parasites are ruining my health and life. Can anyone direct me to places to purchase? I've been reading about Dr. K's protocol. I'd really like to have a Dr. work with me on this but I don't know who to turn to for help.
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If you are located near Philly, there is a Dr. that does the Dr. K. parasite protocol that a member here sees.
If you can't find one near you, I would say just continue with the Parastroy and salt/c. You can increase the Parastroy to 3 each 2 x a day after the 3rd week and increase the salt/c.
Also add extra cloves Hanna Kroeger)to kill eggs and larva. Maybe others will come along and tell you about where you can purchase the pharma meds.
Pin X which you can buy at the drugstore will kill pin worms and also ascaris round worms. No point in talking about how uneducated about parasites western medicine is. It is soooo infuriating.
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Thanks Gael. I'm about 2 1/2 hours from Philly. Do you mind sending me the practitioner's name?
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Sent you a pm
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Gael - did you take photos of what you had exiting? If so, can post here?
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susan,
EVERYTHING pictured here is what came out of me. www.lymephotos.com They were as large as what is shown.
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Thanks. I continue with 1g salt and either .5 or 1g VitC. I guess that small amount is not really doing anything? Is more like a starter dose?
I did have some tummy rumblings last night like I never have had before. Perhaps my intestines/stomach objecting to the Salt/C?
Questions:
When things exit and are seen in the toilet - they are dead?
If they exit from other places they are still moving and alive??
And really - what does one do when a worm is exiting from the nose? Pray you are at home and not in public talking to someone?
If you want to save them - how? In a baggie in water put in the freezer?
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Gratitude. Don't lose hope. You are not far from a doc who will be willing to treat you.
Sending a PM.
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There is also very little logic in how the site is put together.
Babesia is a microscopic organism. You would never see it in the toilet. Why are there pictures labeled "Babesia"? It makes no sense.
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susan,
1 gm to start with is plenty. The salt and c should be equal amnts. You can increase 1/4tsp at a time, but if you start herxing, wait until it calms down and then continue. The stomach rumblings are normal.
If you are going to do this protocol it would be a good idea to order the salt/c book from Amazon for a step by step guide. Mine were all dea when they exited.
The ones exiting from the nose were small and dried out from the salt. Adding an antiparasitic herb such as Parastroy would be a good idea as well.
I never had one exit when I was talking to someone, but that is a pretty hilarious visual. Something best left for SNL.
Sorry, I have a bizzare sense of humor, and it gets me through the day. I saved them in a baggie cause I couldn't believe what I was seeing. , but eventually threw them out.
Gael
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VV,
I know there is no scale, however, I was not being as literal as I was trying to paint a visual picture.
They "appeared" to me in person as visually large as they appeared in the pictures. The person that put the lymephotos site together was IMO trying to present it in a creative way.
The individual who came up with this protocol IMO is brilliant. The bottom line for me was the results, and results was what I got, not to mention that it saved my life.
Gael
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Again, can you explain why there are pictures for each co-infection when they would not be visible to the naked eye? The pictures seem randomly selected with their titles.
If you google for pictures of any of those infections they will not look like any of the photos on lymephotos.com, and they are obviously way too small to be seen in stool. It's impossible.
I'm not saying salt/c didn't work for you. I'm just pointing out an alarming lack of coherence on that website.
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VV,
I can't explain what the person who put the site together had in mind when they labeled the photos with different organisms such as babesia etc.
As I mentioned, I think this person was just trying to put a title with the organisms that they found in a "creative"way. It was never an issue for me to be exact in labeling in this case and I have a medical background.
My focus is on getting rid of the infection, and EXACTLY what is pictured is EXACTLY what came out of me, no matter what you want to call it.
The alarming part is that this infection can be part of Lyme disease and why so many are chronically ill.
Gael
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I've waited 10 months to see a Dr. K practitioner and was diagnosed with heavy metal toxicity and parasites/worms in addition to lyme/babs/bar and other pathogens.
I couldn't believe that all those bugs were still in my system after all the abx I've taken!
For the first time in a very long time I feel like I may get my life back again. The protocol is very aggressive and is tailored for me. Here's what I'm doing.
1. Detox I'm doing IV chelation and homeopathic supplements to open the detox pathways.
2. Today I started anti-parasitic: -Praziquantel/Biltricide -
Then These 2 together: -Ivermectin -Pyrantel Pamoate
The again -Praziquantel/Biltricide
Then -Albenza
Finally -Alinia
After I complete the above I'll be reevaluated and continue to detox and some other things that I can't remember right now.
Anyway I will keep everyone posted on my progress and let you know if its working.
I started the Praziquantel/Biltricide this morning.
BTW, in addition to the IV chelation I'm on these supplements:
Dr. K's CORE supplement Diatomaceous Earth Cistus Tea IMD Chlorella Renelix Apo-Hepat I-tires K.Remedy M Water
I pray this works...
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My LLMD has me rotating anti-parasitics. Albenza, Ivermecti, Alinia, Tindazole, Artemisinin. I am on a base of Zithromax as well. I swallow raw garlic in the a.m. Also, I-tires, Renelix, and juicing.
Can I do salt and liposomal Vitamin C? Thanks,
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Been or anyone - Do you know how to get a list of Dr. K practitioners?
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Google his full name Dr D K practioners and scroll down to a post that says Dr. D. K. certified practioners.
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mig,
I would just do the pharma meds for now, and when you are off of those, I would do antiparasitic herbs and the salt/c. Just what I would do.
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Bringing this back up for a member who wants to give up to view.
Gael
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Since you did so well on Ivermectin, it might be a good idea to go back on the Dr. K. portocol. Then when you are finished with that you can do Parastroy, extra cloves, digestive plant enzymes by Soloray and salt/c.
Not sure if you can do MMS when doing other meds. There are some members that rotate between the pharma meds and herbs and salt/c.
Don't forget to do colonics and or warm water enemas to release dead and dying parasites.
Good Luck,
Gael
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Ditto to what Gael says.
I would do the Dr. K protocol. Then switch to herbals with salt/c.
I am very interested in MMS but haven't looked into it much yet. I've heard enough good things from GiGi that I'm interested.
Go for it!
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Anyone try Byron White A-P? I am back on it again and had pretty good results last year. Not a permanent solution but I think helped a bit.
BTW....Where/how does one find a Dr. K. practioner?
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desertwind, you can find a Dr. K practitioner by getting on his site.
I would also like to hear from others as to their experience with BW A-P.
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Thanks dbpei.
I had used A-P last summer and got up to full dose but I do not think it kicked it all out. I am sure it lowered my parasite load as I felt a reduction in sx but they came right back when I stopped.
I never felt better then I did after taking pharmas. But now back on A-P till I go back on pharmas. Did a 5 drop challenge yesterday and it blew me away, so today I am on one drop x/2 a day.
IME, I would start very slowly with this one (as we do with all BW's). I too would love to hear how others have done with A-P.
I am also taking A-FNG which is mostly for yeast and mold exposure but Dr.H. recommends it for parasites - especially protozoa's - as well. I only take one drop twice a week because it causes such a strong herx.
Is anyone else taking A-FNG for parasites?
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Thanks for posting been. I don't know about the "rope parasite" website or salt/C website with the photos. I'm sure there's lots of parasites not being recognized by mainstream medicine. That's why people are putting info out about it themselves.
There are so many people posting about parasites on alot of message boards these days. We all have to try to help each other. Most doctors are not doing it or may have just as much knowledge as most of us here on the front lines do.
Seems to be a connection between Lyme, Morgellons, CFS, Fibro, IBS, Chrone's (spelling?), arthritis, etc. The parasites are probably causing alot of illnesses. The drug company seems to be holding back on allowing anti-parasite drugs & info out in favor of more expensive ways to "manage" illness.
Many of us end up going to veterinarians or vet drugs to look for info or drugs, themselves. I understand why Lymenet does not condone it but it does work for alot of folks out there.
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I'm reposting this. Someone posted a link above but it's important.
The worms are 2 millimeters... You won't really see these in the toilet unless you look very hard.
There are plenty of people from Asia here. We also import food from there. No reason why this wouldn't be effecting Americans, too.
Man Dies After Parasitic Worms Invade Lungs Steroid treatment for inflammatory disorder may have spurred 'hyperinfection,' report says
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WEDNESDAY, March 20 (HealthDay News) -- A Vietnamese immigrant in California died of a massive infection with parasitic worms that spread throughout his body, including his lungs. They had remained dormant until his immune system was suppressed by steroid drugs used to treat an inflammatory disorder, according to the report.
The 65-year-old man was apparently infected by the worms in Vietnam, one of many countries in the world where they're known to infect humans. About 80 percent to 90 percent of people die if they are infected by the worm species and then suffer from so-called "hyperinfection" as the worms travel through their bodies, said report co-author Dr. Niaz Banaei, an assistant professor of infectious diseases at Stanford University School of Medicine.
The man's case emphasizes the importance of testing patients who might be infected with the parasite before giving them drugs to dampen the immune system, said Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, who's familiar with the report findings.
"You have to think twice before starting big doses of steroids," Hotez said. "The problem is that most physicians are not taught about this disease. It often does not get recognized until it's too late."
Parasitic worms of the Strongyloides stercoralis species are most commonly found in tropical and subtropical areas of the world, although they've also appeared in the Appalachian region of the United States. Typically, they infect people in rural areas such as Brazil, northern Argentina and Southeast Asia, Hotez noted, and may currently infect as many 100 million people worldwide.
The worms live in the ground or water, typically in places with poor sanitation, and infect humans by penetrating the skin. They may live in the intestines for years or even decades, creating new larvae that grow into worms about 2 millimeters long, Hotez explained.
For the patient in this case, trouble came when he took steroids, which dampen the immune system, to treat "giant-cell arteritis," a disorder that causes inflammation of arteries of the scalp, neck and arms. The drugs appeared to have allowed the worms to grow and spread because they were no longer kept in check.
Exams uncovered a massive lung infection, report co-author Banaei noted. "The adult worms were producing eggs, and the larvae emerging from the eggs were invading the intestinal wall and disseminating to multiple organs in the body," Banaei said.
When this happens, Baylor's Hotez said, hundreds of thousands of larvae can transmit bacteria from the intestines into other parts of the body.
A medication can help treat infestation with the worms, but it doesn't help when the hyperinfection reaches an advanced stage, he said.
What should be done? In cases where patients come from a region of the world where the worms are common, Hotez suggested that physicians consider that they may be infected and screen them for the worms. That may be difficult though, because multiple fecal tests may be necessary, he said, and another kind of test has limited value in terms of detecting cases.
The study findings are published in the March 21 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.
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I tried AP and it I feel it didn't really help me. What seemed to hit was Zithromax with Mepron rotating Crypto and Art with Grapefruit seed extract. Parasite herbs, garlic, detoxing, juicing, ir sauna, PEMF, colonics.
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I also find a shift in my gastro sx w/ ART. Took it for babs but llmd said hits other parasites as well. May add that back into the mix again.
Anyone else have a hard time tolerating GSE?
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glm1111
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Bringing this back up for Hopeful in Holland to review. How is everyone else doing? Seen any parasites lately?
Gael
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Tammy N.
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Hi everyone....
Yes, still passing daily here. I'll be finished with Albenza soon. Am waiting for Vermox in the mail. In between, I'll just continue my salt/c and go back to herbs.
I've been sharing my story more and more.....with the ear doc the other day, and with my breast doc.... you should see the wide eyes. Almost disbelief. Then I show them some pictures from my phone. Can't argue with that. They probably will see me differently now, but I feel like I need to share the TRUTH of this all. Too many docs don't even believe parasites are an issue.
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glm1111
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That's FANTASTIC Tammy that you are putting it in the faces of the doubting Thomases of the medical community.
They need to be shown the truth and what's REALLY behind a lot of diseases, not just Lyme. I bet a REALITY TV show on parasites would wake people up.
We do have the "Monsters Inside of Me" TV series, but I think most people still think it happens to others and not themselves. Anyone interested can view the show on youtube.
Thanks for sharing Tammy.
Gael
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This is for you Gael. Remember that video of my parasite that I posted a few months ago? Looks very similar to this & guess what?
I had a herx with Ivermectin within 1/2 hr of taking a fraction of it.
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