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My husband rifed for parasites yesterday. Woke up this morning feeling anxious, jittery, and toxic.
We are wondering if he needs more binders? He takes charcoal water during the night when he wakes up. During the day he takes apple pectin in applesauce.
Sometimes we add DE to the charcoal water.
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Great to hear from you Gael! :-)
Manne, I can only add make sure the bowels are moving to get the stuff OUT.
Trying to muster up courage to take Albendazole again- PTSD from last weekend *sigh*
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There she is! I'm so happy to hear you had a nice Labor Day weekend. :) I'm also thrilled to hear about your energy level too (right on)! That is my goal (more energy).
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MannaMe, it sounds like the rife stirred them up. Feeling toxic means he has all the pee, poop and toxins from the dead and dying parasites floating around making him miserable. I get this with PEMF, and heavy duty meds like albenza. And anxious = parasites for me. I need more binders than usual when I'm killing parasites heavy duty (like now). And definitely coffee enemas (will take the toxins out quicker).
Surprise, I hear you about the PTSD. :)
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Feeling kind of wacky. Did Albendazole this week, and have been passing dead liver flukes.
Last dose tonight, and then a dose of Ivermectin tomorrow a.m.
What's that line from the Godfather movie:
'Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!'
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I have been treating parasites for well over a year now with no end in sight. My husband who is lyme positive but has zero symptoms has decided to do a round of Parastroy just incase he's passing them back to me.
He is on his third day and has been having extremely bad headaches. I'm wondering if he does have them since he's having such a strong reaction to the Parastroy? I've asked him if he's ever seen anything suspicious in his stool and he says no. But, I'm thinking he probably does by his reaction.
Should we continue with the treatment or stop? I am inclined to continue because obviously he's having some sort of die-off.
I can't believe how persistent these parasites are!! They are so hard to eradicate.
Also, my LLND explained to me that we need to also bring up/boost our immune systems at the same time so our bodies can fight these off on their own. They are in everything we eat.
Trying to figure that one out too
Thanks for any help!
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I would encourage him to finish it- my husband, who does not have Lyme, etc.
Was a good sport and did Humaworm with me some time back, and had no reaction- he also did a Renew Life Yeast cleanse this year-
Die off is pretty real to me with parasite treatment- I take NAC (PharmaNac is nice) milk thistle, curcumin capsules,
and Researched Nutritionals multi immune when run down-plus, supp B, D vitamins and minerals, good diet-probiotics
I am also taking Cat's Claw 2x a day, which helps build immune system.
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Oh, probably obvious, but keeping the bowels moving is critical-
I like Oxy Powder caps (usually just need 1) before bed, mag citrate, enemas can help expel.
Lovely right? But I just had another clearance, off for some days now to rest my liver, and I am healing- feel like I'm moving forward-
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Something weird happened to my husband too. We thought he should treat for parasites since I'm loaded with them. He tried some humaworm and it wasn't too long before his back started killing him (said that he didn't really do anything to cause the back pain). So he backed off the humaworm for a couple of days, then re started it again. His back got better. I wouldn't be surprised if anti parasitic stuff stirs up lyme.
Birdie, I think your LLMD is right (immune system).
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Thanks Surprise and Catgirl. I think maybe I will have him back down for a day or two and then re-start. I would hate to stir up Lyme since he is totally symptom free. When I first forund out I had lyme and he tested positive, he did 2 months of doxy and flagyl and never herxed at all but this could definitely be stirring things up.
I think I will give him some charcoal tonight to try to soak up some of the toxins.
Yes, building up our immune systems makes SO much sense to me. It's just how to do it while killing the parasites, since they damage our stomachs along with our immune system.
I need to add in more minerals and other things to bring mine up. Thanks Surprise for the recommendations.
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Hi everyone. I have gathered the primary Dr. K parasite protocol together and have almost enough to get me through about six months or so (I need more ivermectin still but I am close).
I am wondering when will be a good time to start. Right now I have a really heavy abx load. I'm wondering if I may need to stop some of those abx in order to do this protocol.
Mepron and Malarone is part of my protocol. Can these be taken in conjunction with Ivermectin - Biltricide - Alinia - Albenza?
I will not start this until I know I am doing it right. I just want to get it right since I am spending a lot on these meds and wuodl rather not throw the $ away.
I have only done a few rounds of parastroy in the past, I don't really know anything about treating parasites. Could one of you warriors help me get started, and keep me from hurting myself with all of these meds?
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Hey lymeboy- this is just my opinion- and not sure what your weight is- but,
I personally think the Dr. K doses are pretty darn high- so, if you haven't done one of these meds before,
perhaps go slower and see how you feel.
As for interactions, I use drugs.com interaction checker online (obviously consulting a qualified Dr. is best, there's my disclaimer)
I am not on antibiotics right now (just some herbs) and I have read it might be a good idea to be on one when busting up parasites as they release 'junk' bacteria, toxins, what all.
I recently took Azith. 5 day unrelated, and saw a lot of die off- related, I don't know.
Obviously, watch your liver. The parasite drugs can be hard on it-----some will say take parasite drug breaks for liver to rest. 2 weeks on, 7 days off, etc.
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Right now would be a good time to start treating parasites (already feeling the upcoming full moon).
I agree, I think they are high doses, but imagine Dr. K's dosage is primarily for people not on abx. I have done milder versions of his protocol while on doxy and mepron. I am not on abx right now and can tell you that even a lower dose version of the protocol is still hard for me. These meds are strong.
I probably wouldn't do the full dose if you are going to stay on high dose abx (too hard on the body). When I was on doxy, I did the protocol but only 12 mg of iver per day and the albenza and alinia were half of Dr. K dosages. But the first time I took them, I did even less than that.
The other thing you could do is the herbs instead while on the high dose abx. I don't think they are as hard on the liver. I guess it all depends on how badly you need the abx.
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It's that time again (full moon coming up), how is everyone doing? I was already feeling it last night.
I just passed a fat disgusting worm (yuck)! It was so gross! I felt horrible all day so it must have been busy dying. The toxins these things put out when they die make me sick (herx city).
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judging by the staggering amount of abx I can take without feeling to uncomfortable, I could do the full dosage. But I'd be nervous to do it along with abx. perhaps I could sub the Mepron with an herb until I get through a cycle? bad idea? I think my liver may be taxed already with the Mepron. But I've been getting it checked regularly and I'm ok according to liver function tests. But Mepron and Malarone together paired with Iver. and biltricide....could be too much. I'm 180 lbs. So that could be why I can take high doses. That is normal weight for my height.
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Lymeboy, I've never taken Mepron (just Malarone) haven't done full on babs treatment as we are 99.% sure I don't have it,
so not sure how to respond about combining with the parasite drugs, or going off Mepron-
Catgirl, it's really wild, isn't it? Good for you! I'm not sure what to do over this moon phase- my H finally has time off next week, and I think I'm going to take a break
see if I can get some local low key fun in. I'd like to power through and treat tho, too... but I think I'll try a break for 7 days. Bummer it's over full moon- I'll do cloves at least.
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Lymboy, I would be nervous too. Mepron and malarone together are VERY strong. That is great you are getting regular blood tests. Adding parasite meds though is going to be harder on the body.
I remember reading before that some people have done this protocol with abx, I just can't remember what they did. I personally think it is too hard on the kidneys/liver, but I'm no doc. Hopefully others who have been on abx will post.
I would definitely lighten the abx load,(good idea getting rid of the mepron). I remember my lyme specialist telling me that iver put some of her patients in the hospital (This is from a specialist whose big on abx). I know it's a pain in the neck, but you could hunt through lymenet for more info.
Surprise, I know it is wild! I would love to take a break, but I know the week before the full moon is the toughest for me (reproducing). That is the one time that I make sure I take something (at least 2-3 days before). You could also treat every other day too. Cloves are a good idea. Either way, have a nice week with your hubby!
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I realized yesterday, as this moon flare began with my digestion going south, irritability, food cravings, etc.
It still happens whether I'm treating or not- and I still don't have stamina for large far away excursions- so I am back on Clark tincture for the week,
which was quite powerful for me 2-3 months back last time I took it- will be interesting to see if it's easier now.
Who knows- but I can't deny what I'm seeing and the affects of parasites.
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Is anybody else rifing for parasites? How often do you rife? My husband has been rifing every couple days - about 3 times a week.
He knows he's hitting something because his stomach gets upset and he feels toxic. He is using binders and detoxing. Usually the next day after rifing for parasites, he's coughing.... is that from hitting something in the lungs???
He has no interest in doing the bathroom science experiments that some of you are, so has no idea what may be exiting.
Those of you taking cloves, do you just use the spice out of the cupboard? And how much at a time?
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I use Hanna Kroeger Clove capsules that I buy from vitacost. I have read from Hulda Clark that the store bought cloves are not strong enough.
I have also used fresh ground cloves from the Farmers Mkt and mixed some in my coffee along with cinnamon which is antifungal.
Between this and drinking the salt/c along with lots of antiparasitic herbs, these suckers ran for the hills. Coconut oil is also excellent and VERY good for brain fog.
Gael
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Right on Surprise--we can't give these suckers an inch!
Insomnia big time last night (argh). Everything is flaring right now. I know it's because of the full moon. Babs is a parasite, so it's flaring too. Bart symptoms flaring for me right now too, so I'm pretty sure it's proto, not bart (proto is a parasite, similar symptoms).
Hang in there parasite warriors (just a few more days)!
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Thanks Catgirl for all of your helpful posts and encouragement for these brave parasite warriors.
It means a lot!
Gael
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Insomnia and irritability at a max.
Sleep schedule totally mixed up.
Did first coffee enema on Saturday.
Unbelievable! Did sea salt enema first and followed with coffee enema.
Yikes! No wonder I've been toxic lately. Yuck.
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Okay, guys wanting some help and encouragement. I have been treating with various herbs for parasites. I believe alot of my symptoms are from parasites as most occur at night.
(My nights are horrible.)
I am considering taking the plunge and adding salt/c.
What do the critics say about this protocol in terms of medical side effects? Precautions?
Where do you get the book?
I have alot of reservations just due to ignorance.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Sea salt is much different than table salt that is devoid of minerals.
Adding salt/c to the herbs is what caused the parasites to let go and I had a mass exodus for mos. Sea salt and vitamin C are a great support for the adrenal glands as well.
The combo of herbs and salt/c packs quite a punch. You can order the book salt/c plus from Amazon on the upper left hand corner of the lymenet page.
Gael
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Thank you Gael (I wouldn't be here without all of YOUR help and encouragement). You're the best! :)
Greta, that is fantastic you tried coffee enemas! It's amazing how many toxins they get out, not to mention parasites. Well worth it, IMO.
Did you like the sea salt enema as much as the coffee enema (I haven't tried a sea salt enema yet)?
Soccermama, adding salt/c to the herbs helped me to expel parasites too. Before that, I didn't see much. I was so chicken to try this, but once I did, out they came.
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Gael, Catgirl - just curious - what herbs are you using?
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I'm on meds now, but I have used humaworm with success, but only once I added salt/c. I think any herbal product will help (with salt/c).
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Parastroy, Humaworm, Hanna Kroeger Wormwood Combo, Hulda Clark. Have used all of these with added salt/c.
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I FINALLY bought a coffee enema kit online- of course, needed it years ago. Thanks everyone for posting about them- it helped.
Tough week- feels like everyone needs stuff from me, and I want to hibernate as I treat and herx parasites before the full moon.
Right now I'm on 'Hilda's Formula' from Elk Mountain Herbs, 3x a day, and other herbs. Switching back and forth parasite drugs and herbs.
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Right on Surprise (I love coffee enemas)! They really help me clear toxins.
How much of the tincture (Hilda's) do you take (2 tsp?)? I am not sure how much to start out with.
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Okay, everyone. I have been considering starting the salt/c protocol. Now I have a story to tell that has convinced me it works.
It happened accidently. Yesterday, my youngest daughter woke up with a cold. I started her on powdered vitamin C giving it to her every half hour until she had diarrhoea.
Last night she wakes me up and tells me her bottom is itching and tickling. Lo and behold, pinworms.
Both my girls had taken paragone and kids humaworm for six months.
Now, I know that this protocol must do something. My daughter has not complained of that problem since we initially put her on antiparasitics.
So....Now I have to take the plunge. It will take awhile to gather the strength. I will order the book and when I get done, I will start it.
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Soccermama, after I read the book I had a greater understanding, and felt very comfortable- and you start out slow.
I'm not doing it officially right now tho. Probably should be, but have other things going on- still take buffered C powder at night, about 2 grams, and am very liberal with pink Himalayan sea salt.
Thanks Catgirl :-). I just use the dropper, and put about 3 ish dropperfuls or so....
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Wednesday and Saturday coffee enema days.
Today, did salt water enema first. It is more difficult to retain than the coffee one. Creates peristalsis almost instantly.
Finished with that then did coffee enema.
Strange things...
In the toilet (squeemish folks skip this part), there were films of clear mucus with hundreds of tiny tiny orange red dots on clear film.
At first I thought it was blood but they were super bright red and super tiny. Smaller than a pen dot. And the red dots were only in the films. Not by themselves. They also had defined edges-they didn't overlap or bleed into the film.
When I tried to catch the film with chopsticks (god I can't believe I'm admitting this), the film was super slick and fairly heavy-slipped right back into the water. The red dots didn't wash off etc. Definitely part of the clear film.
Has anyone had these things in film?
Is this biofilm? Or is biofilm microscopic?
I also had a fair bit of nausea while enema-ing this time. Is this par for the course?
OK hope nobody has food tonight for dinner that requires chopsticks...Sorry!
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Thanks Surprise.
Soccermama, that is great your daughter is noticing a symptom after adding powdered C (maybe pinworms)!
Greta I have to laugh (chopsticks)! Hey, whatever works for investigating (you're not alone here).
Mucus is a good indication of parasites. I am not sure if the mucus is biofilm though. I always thought it was yeast, but I don't know for sure. I passed lots of mucus for a long time, then eventually worms. Maybe those tiny dots were eggs (full moon)?
I have never had nausea with coffee enemas, so I'm not sure what's causing it for you (sorry).
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Thanks Catgirl
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Well, I am finding I have a rather serious liver fluke issue- after all this time treating, liver flukes- red- are now showing up- it's actually quite scary.
It's like I had to get through some other ones to get the flukes to show up like this-
I was feeling constipated (been eating more food) so I stopped all my herbals today, and took a Tindamax early a.m. (I'm not on antibx)
Why Tindamax? I don't know. It seemed like a good idea at the time. But I crashed a few hours later- took to bed, emotional, crying...
Then, did a castor oil pack, dry skin brush, Epsom salt bath, milk thistle, NAC, VSL, ate light, rest, drank magnesium citrate, rest again, some hours go by and,
Another very large expulsion of more liver flukes. Alarming. Looking forward to my coffee enema when it arrives.
Still, after all this time, stunned at these parasites in my body, what destruction it must have been doing.
Spending tomorrow doing more detox.
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Right on Surprise! That's awesome they are exiting after all this time (and passing them twice in one day, wow!)! You sure hit them at the right time too (full moon).
And I know what you mean about the progression of things exiting. These parasites never cease to amaze me. Great idea about the castor oil pack and all the detoxing you did too!
I've never tried Tindamax, but heard it hits parasites. I also think just the act of rotating stuff hits them with their guard down, as they were probably already adapting to the previous meds or herbs. I hope you feel better soon. :)
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Thanks Catgirl! I also think it's the rotating of the parasites meds and herbs-
I did the tried and true Hilda Clark 3 over full moon, and Albendazole before that, both hit flukes, I think the 1 tablet of Tindimax
just got me sick enough to seriously detox, which got them out. I've been knowing I need to up liver clean and detox- got a little lazy, then stomach problems.
Feel like a veteran sharing war stories. Take care everyone, detox your livers----
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If you combine the antiparasitic herbs WITH the salt/c it can pack quite a punch. The parasites hate salt and they run for the hills and hopefully into the toilet. You can order the salt/c plus book from Amazon and get support from lymestrategies.
I am all for whatever works, but from what I have read from other posters, you have to stay on the pharmas for quite a while and they are hard on the liver. Some folks have success alternating both salt/c and herbs and the pharmas.
I also add Super Digestaway by Soloray (also antiparasitic) as well as combining Parastroy with Hanna kroeger Wormwood, extra cloves, and coconut water and coconut oil. Keep us posted with your progress and good luck.
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Bringing this up for all the newbies on the board who are struggling and searching for answers. Hope all you warriors are doing well.
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After seeing all the liver flukes, I decided to try and detox and repair my liver for a bit- off parasite treatment for a week,
and doing daily coffee enemas and castor oil packs- these alone and I'm expelling parasites- seems my body is ready to let go.
One thing: I see why it's better to treat parasites 'first' I am worried they are releasing bacteria, as I have been experiencing symptoms of this-(I'm off antibiotics)
Also, not to get 'woo woo' but as my liver gets cleaner, parasites leave, I have had emotional releases/ healing.
Warriors indeed, this hasn't been easy by any means at all. But, when I'm feeling 'good' it's some of the best I've had.
Planning on trying Biltricide on Saturday for the first time, hoping to get more (the rest!) of the flukes- very nervous. Actually, scared. But I'm on a roll here.
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Wow, this is encouraging Surprise. Can i ask if you have had any "out of the ordinary" exposures to parasites....or do you think you just picked them up via the normal USA lifestyle?
Every morning I wake up toxic and tachycardic. Then around noon I get crawling scalp neuropathy and head squeezing feelings all over face and scalp. This is accompanied by brain fog and head pain between the eyes and top of head.
I have had some other psychiatric improvements on other treatments for which I am grateful.
High dose clove oil, pulsed artemesinin, one month long attempt at salt/C, an herbal preventative called Botanifuge, and every other day Ivermectin for 6 moths yielded no "hits" or improvements. What else should I try?
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Wow, this is encouraging Surprise. Can i ask if you have had any "out of the ordinary" exposures to parasites....or do you think you just picked them up via the normal USA lifestyle?
Every morning I wake up toxic and tachycardic. Then around noon I get crawling scalp neuropathy and head squeezing feelings all over face and scalp. This is accompanied by brain fog and head pain between the eyes and top of head.
I have had some other psychiatric improvements on other treatments for which I am grateful.
High dose clove oil, pulsed artemesinin, one month long attempt at salt/C, an herbal preventative called Botanifuge, and every other day Ivermectin for 6 moths yielded no "hits" or improvements. What else should I try?
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CD57, I get the head squeezing feelings all over my face and scalp as well - especially in left side of upper jaw. I often wonder if this is parasites.
I also get bug crawling sensations in different body parts almost every day for a few seconds. Especially my shins, but also hands, legs, scalp, face.
I started MMS enemas not long ago. I am only at a few drops. It is potent. Still no visible parasites exiting. My LLND thinks that when I get up to 10 drops, it is likely I will start to see some 'wigglies' exiting.
It is frightening to think that these creatures could be wreaking so much havoc in my body, but I so want to get better like everyone here!
Surprise, thanks for sharing your experience - as it helps us all. Good luck to you!!
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Wow, this is encouraging Surprise. Can i ask if you have had any "out of the ordinary" exposures to parasites....or do you think you just picked them up via the normal USA lifestyle?
Every morning I wake up toxic and tachycardic. Then around noon I get crawling scalp neuropathy and head squeezing feelings all over face and scalp. This is accompanied by brain fog and head pain between the eyes and top of head.
I have had some other psychiatric improvements on other treatments for which I am grateful.
High dose clove oil, pulsed artemesinin, one month long attempt at salt/C, an herbal preventative called Botanifuge, and every other day Ivermectin for 6 moths yielded no "hits" or improvements. What else should I try?
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Thank you for the support- I get very embarrassed with what I post sometimes.
Ironically (though now I know it's not) I have only travelled 1x out of US (to Aruba) have always asked for my meat well done (in fact won't eat it if not)
hate sushi, am fussy clean, always washing everything, never owned a pet! no pets in my house entire adult life (but mixed with stray cats 15 years ago outside, perhaps infecting me w/ Bart Lyme)
What I believe: everyone has parasites. But when the immune system is low (infections) it allows them to flourish. Their reproduction rate is horrifying.
I've treated and treated these things- but stopped or took breaks- months- off- I've had doubled over right side stomach pains-
can't get off the floor- can't move- had gall bladder and liver checked by western medicine Dr.s- all okay, they said. Haven't had an attack since I started treating parasites again.
It's very important to keep the bowels moving- I've used Oxy powder- glycine enemas- now the coffee enemas.
If you've tried herbs (the Hilda Clark 3, etc.) salt/C, haven't seen or noticed anything, I'd then try Albendazole - powerful.
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Surprise -that is great news about the liver flukes!
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CD57,
Try adding antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy to the salt/c. The combo seems to pack quite a punch.
The three most important herbs for getting rid of parasites are Wormwood, cloves and black walnut hull. Surprise, Please don't be embarrased about the parasite infections.
It has nothing to do with being clean. I am super clean about everything and was loaded with parasites.
When your immune system is compromised you are much more vulnerable picking up parasites even from green leafy veggies. Not to mention what the ticks are carrying, especially the Filarial worm co-infection.
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Anyone else getting 3am wakeup calls from these bugs?
It seems like I wake up, feeling irritable, at 3am, and can't fall back asleep.
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Greta, this is the norm for me. It is so frustrating. I am not sure I ever got back to sleep this morning. I don't have any physical symptoms like stomach aches or cramping, but instead, my mind is too active to return to sleep.
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I always wake at 3:00 am - especially when I am treating for parasites. Very interesting.
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According to what I have read in the past, that's when they are most active. Kinda like when spirits are said to appear between 3-6am.
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Dbpei, Desertwind and Gael,
Thank goodness it's not just me.
Yes, at 3am, I don't have to go to the washroom, it's just like my mind becomes alert/active instead of being in a sleeping state.
And I feel irritable, but not sure if that's just because waking up at 3am on a workday stinks.
Haha.
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Gael, I too have heard that at 3:00 AM the spirits roam. A couple of times this week by different people.
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Up again since 3 a.m.
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I used to wake up at 3:00 like clockwork. My acupuncturist said it was a sign of adrenal issues and treated my adrenals. It helped, but didn't take it away completely. My sleep was light back then too. It felt like I couldn't hit rem sleep.
I think between treating parasites, detoxing heavy metals, and taking dhea/pregnenolone, it left. Turning off the wifi gave us much better rem sleep too. If only everyone knew about how bad wifi is for everything on the planet (cell phones, etc). It's ruining us, our environment, and helping the bugs grow (we deteriorate).
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I'm back on salt/c and loving it. My adrenals must have needed it (feeling better). I'm never giving this stuff up.
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Catgirl,
So glad you went back on salt/c! It has def been a game changer for me. It is excellent support for the adrenals and immune system. I will always stay on it as well.
I also take panothentic acid (b-5)(1000-1500mg a day) for my adrenals. Coconut water is also an excellent source for energy as well as balancing electrolytes especially when on salt/c.
Gael
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I'm back to taking pink salt w/ water and buffered vitamin C in the morning, and I also noticed a difference.
Biltricide yesterday wasn't as scary as I thought- just cranky- not too far from the norm ;-).
The coffee enemas, however, have been revealing. I don't enjoy the task/ etc. but made a pact with myself to do 1 a day 30 days,
they do flush out parasites.
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Thanks Gael! I'm going to order some b-5. I wish I could do the coconut water (can't take the sugar), but b-5 I can do. :)
Surprise, coffee enemas, I know, right? It's a pain in the butt (lol) as it takes an hour out of my day and I have to time it away from meds/herbs/supplements, but IMO worth feeling better.
I'm glad bilt was okay for you. Have you seen any more flukes, or are you still seeing tape worms? I get a mix of different things (glad they are out).
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Hey Catgirl it is a mix. Can't bear to go into detail, but very plain as day. It's astounding, STILL.
So, glucose and the parasites: apparently, the anti- parasite drugs starve their glucose, and that is how they die (at least for biltricide and vermox)
I started Vermox/ Medbendazole - I have been craving sugar like crazy these last days, and yes, I am cranky.
Any ideas? I am doing detox, doubled probiotics. I actually started Diflucan again.
Does adding molybdenum help?
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I plan do start a round of Parastroy within two weeks, and need some advise without wading through this long topic.
I've been off all ABX and Buhner type herbs since this past Sept 19 while on two rounds of Coartem. After a reasonable wait time I want to take one week of Diflucan before I start layering back ABX protocols.
Is it OK to take Diflucan then start Parastroy within a few days? Then how long would you advise I wait until starting Rifampin? .... then Plaquinel and then minocycline. I always add only one new ABX at a time just in case, even though I've taken all of these in the past without ill effects, but have not taken all together.
I will most likely go back on Salt/C within a week of adding Parastroy.
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gmb, sounds like a good plan, parasites and yeast stick together a lot.
The only thing I would say: Rifampin (my experience, and others I've read) becomes ineffective going on and off- and, it's a whammy to the liver with that weird pathway
anomaly, and interferes with other meds if you are on them...
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Surprise, wow I didn't know about the glucose with bilt and vermox/mebendazole. I am not sure if molybdenum would help. Diflucan helped me a little, but florastor seemed to help me more (not on diflucan days though--kills it).
Gmb, fantastic you are going after parasites! The diflucan and parastroy sound okay, but I would wait on the abx. I'm no doc, but diflucan is hard on the liver, and like Surprise said, so is rifampin (I think plaquinil is too).
I also wouldn't do salt C on top of all that. I can handle the herbs and salt C, but not abx and salt C. And I can only handle a tiny bit of herbs while on abx (just me). I hope this helps.
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Good evening everyone! Thankfully I have a llmd who explores all avenues. I have been back in treatment now for 5 weeks (after 2years off) Mino, alinia, lots of herbals and starting this week (when I get order) parasite regimen. I'm nervous to start due to herxing and after my appt last week and starting new antivirals Friday, I believe I am herxing now as it is.
It is praziquantel, ivermectin, pyrantel pamoate and albendazole. I am admitingly afraid of the die-off reaction since I had such a horrific experience with chlorella a few weeks ago.
Any advice for me before I start this?
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That's great you're going to treat parasites!
If you haven't tried them already, coffee enemas really help. IMO, they are a must for anyone with detox issues. They help the body to remove lots of toxins that the parasites expel as they're dying.
Did your lyme specialist give you something else to bind it all?
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Yes, I am taking pectasol clear twice a day. I haven't brought myself to check coffee enemas yet but do see them mentioned often so I better.
I could have die-off / herxing correct? According to my ART testing, I am loaded with parasites and virus so I am hopeful that this will put me on the path to remission.
I also bought the salt/c book to continue on when I am done with the rx meds since I gather this a lifelong commitment, correct?
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Suprise and Catgirl, thanks for the input.
When I plan to start layering on the ABX I would stick with them in combo for several months, not individually in short term.
Last time I was on Rif I had been previously on Zith/Mepron/Augmentin. I then dropped Mepron and Augmentin, stayed on Zith and added Rifampin. Then a few weeks later added doxy, and stayed on that 3 abx combo for several months.
Its the Paratroy that is new to me that I'm concerned with. I've handled some pretty heavy herbs in the past like Cyrto/Sida Acuta, and Alchornia, on top of Mino, Bactrim, Alinia, and Diflican (latter for only six week) with OK results. I always add only one new item at a time to be safe.
Maybe I should just do Diflucan alone for a week after stopping Coartem, then add Parastroy for two weeks, drop the Diflucan, continue to complete the Parastroy course while starting Rifampin and add from there.
As far as Salt/C goes, I had started ramping 1/4 tsp last January while on IV Rocephin, and Zith, Mepron, Bactrim combo. By March I was up to 1 full tsp twice a day with no adverse effects. So I think I can handle it and you all say its goes good with the parastroy.
This 24 day cycle of Coartem is my first time off all ABX since starting treatment back in March 2010. I was due for a break, and feel I got Lyme in remission, but I need to find out what is left to clean-up to get me beyond 80%.
So its one last pass at Babs, and hit parasites, then one last shot at Bart before the end of November when I will be on next year's health care plan. Whatever version I can afford won't be known for another 30 days or so.
If that doesn't help then maybe address Proto and go on that starve to death diet plan.
thanks again... I'll let you know how it comes out (no pun intended)
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Peyjad, die off herxing depends on how much stuff you are doing. Low doses of parasite meds don't do much for me, but higher doses make me herx. I think between the pecta sol clear and salt c you should be covered. Yeast inevitably pops up in the whole mix too.
Yes, I believe treating parasites should be a life long maintenance thing (like we do with cats, dogs, horses, etc).
Gmb, it really sounds like you know your body well and have a good plan of attack. I haven't taken parastroy, but Gael has. She can provide some great in put here.
I have needed to use diflucan during parasite treatment as yeast comes with the die off toxins. I just pulse it as I need it. I'm not sure if you are on binders, but they would be good here to help clean up the toxins.
Wow, that is great you were able to do salt c on abx. Goes to show we are all different with different tolerance levels. It sounds like you're doing things slowly and safely too (good thing).
Hang in there and keep us posted!
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I have the new script for Rifampin, mino and plaquinel that my LLMD wanted to try if Coartem failed. I spoke with my LLNP in last visit about parasites, but she thought it would be to much to treat right now.
In my "pharmacy cupboard" I have left over Diflucan, Zithromax and Bactrim from recent past protocols that I want to use up before they expire. Trying the Parastroy now was my idea to get this out of the way and gauge future therapy.
I'll see how I feel next week after another 5 days of Coartem. I say go for it. I've been a good patient up to now sticking with prescribed meds and sups and have been pretty aggressive.
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gmb,
This is what I would do and have done for myself after abx. I did salt/c and antiparasitic herbs plus extra cloves, digestive enzymes (Super Digestaway by Soloray, coconut oil, kefir, and coconut water. I also gradually added Hanna kroeger Wormwood Combo to the Parastroy.
I am very conservative when starting anythng new, so ramping up slowly always felt safer for me. I ended up doing 4tsp salt/c in divided doses (ramping up 1/4tsp at a time)per day.
The KEY also for me was when I "SAW" the parasites being expelled. That was when I knew I was on the right track. This is what I would try first. You can always do the abx later on.
Hope this helps give you some insight, and of course it's just my opinion and not medical advice. Keep us posted.
Good Luck!
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Thanks, it gives me a direction. I'll start Diflucan for a week or two and stop, then add in Parastroy and salt/C. I can then phase in some your other supplements as I go.
Would you consider buhner's herbs like Crypto, Sida and Alchornia OK at this phase? For a binder I'll stay on Chlorella.
I just took my first dose of praziquantel with dinner and am looking everywhere tryin to figure out how far to space all of these anti parasitic meds from other meds/herbal/supps..
I take minocyline, neem, mag tab sr, b12, florastor, body biotics, fish oil, caprin, A.D.P., fc-cidal, viressence, biocidin and PC- samento, chlorella and finally pectasol-clear...PHEW!
Now I have to fit in praziquantel, than pyrantel Pam & Iver and albendazole
Do they have to be 2 hours from all else or can I take them with all but probiotics? My Llmd only told me I could take all herbals with everything else and chlorella and pectasol separate and mag 2 hours away from ABX but didn't mention about parasite meds.
I don't know when to fit all this in, it seems I should be waking round the clock to fit it all in
Any suggestions? I don't want to take them wrong and have them not work properly
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