desertwind
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Thanks so very much for everyones replies. My LLMD always goes on the high side of dosing and I typically have problems with that. Same thing for Mepron and my liver went downhill. I am pretty light and react to small dosed of meds.
My last day of Biltricide I did half the dose.
I felt great yesterday on Ivermectin - a smile on my face the entire day and had amazing mental and emotional clarity! Brought tears to my eyes to recall what real normal feels like. Was short lived.
I took pinx last night and could not sleep and had a lot of sweats. This morning my head/scalp neuralgia is back along with the dreaded ear ringing. Guess I have a long way to go with this.
I am taking Byron White Detox 2 powder. It has 10 different types of binders with 2 being clay. I like chlorella but am very sensitive to sulphur/sulfa products so cannot take a lot of it.
The metal taste has gone away but I am going to push my LLMD for ideas on more binders.
My goal is to make living in my body as unpleasant as possible for those uninvited creatures! Thanks again for all the valuable info! DW
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desertwind - I feel good on Ivermectin also. I know what you mean. Maybe ask your doc if you can hold off on the Pinx and just do Ivermectin for now. Killing parasites takes a long time, and we need to do several rotations of meds. Maybe when your load is down, your reaction won't be quite so bad and you will be in a better position to handle the combo.
Regarding Biltricide and that funny taste in your mouth....I forgot, and am just reminded now, I had a funny taste with it also. But not with the other meds. Interesting.
I hope you have another 'normal feeling' day:)
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desertwind, have you tried diatomaceous earth? It must be food grade. I have been using 1 T per day in a big glass of water and it is great! It is supposed to be a wonderful binder and also anti-parasitical. It keeps you regular and has so many health benefits.
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Another binder question--does anyone find that bentonite clay (liquid) kills parasites???
I tried this bentonite (half the dose listed on the bottle) and it gave me herx symptoms, which I was not expecting. Then WADS of small white critters the next day. I took it 3 days in a row and then got pretty sick so have backed off for now. Later I will try it at a lower dose, I guess.
I was expecting this would help me feel better, not worsen the symptoms! It's almost funny...
I take charcoal during the night, and most mornings take DE. I have so much trouble herxing (abx and parasite meds) that I thought I should try adding another binder in the mid-afternoon.
How do others respond to bentonite???
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desertwind
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Why do some of us feel better on Ivermectin? Which parasite does that treat?
I am only on a week long protocol and KNOW I need to go at this much much longer. I have done herbs off and on for a little while but feel a huge shift from the meds.
I will see if my LLMD will keep me on the Iver. for a longer time.
Thanks for the link on the dia. earth. I just placed on order for a one month supply. The only thing I take now is the Byron White Detox 2 and I am not sure which clay is in that formula.
Interstingly I am at my office and usually have a pretty strong chemcial reaction but today and since started on the Parasite meds I am not having my typical MCS reaction. Guess its all inter-related. Thanks for all the info! DW
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desertwind,
If you have to go back on the herbs at some point, adding salt/c packs a much greater punch to the mix. Also adding cloves and digestive enzymes help.
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Sillia - yes, I remember my doc out at Dr. K's clinic said that Bentonite Clay is anti-parasitical.
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Great - yes, I cook alot with cloves but wondering if the heat destroys the benefit of the herb. I was taking a combo tincture that had cloves in it. I always felt so sick on it.
Do you guys get bloated/retain fluid from the salt/c combo?
I take digestive e.'s with meals and in between meals so I will keep on that as well.
Looking forward to trying out the Sillia..I think!
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I never retained water while doing salt/c and I did very high doses (20gms) I did get some bloating and diarrhea due to die off.
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Do you think it's OK to take salt/c with food. Every time I take it without food I have horrible nausea and diarrhea the entire day. But I'm also on malarone, zith and valtrex. Thanks for all your help.
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Are you mixing the salt and c in a glass of water, or are you taking it in capsule form? If mixing the salt and C in a glass of water, you can sip it through the day instead of gulping it down. That way you can stop it if you are experiencing nausea.
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yes i mix it in a glass of water and gulp it down. I'm only at 1/4 tsp twice a day, and I'm scared to up it. So when you sipped it through the day did you take your sips on an empty stomach or just whenever.
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Mostly on an empty stomach because I was not eating that much. The dose you are on is fine and if you have extreme nausea, it could be from dieoff and you can skip a dose until it calms down.
Pace not race is the best way to go. Might be a good idea to do some warm water or coffee enemas to release dead and dying toxins and parasites.
Gael
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I, like Gigi, would like to know how to do the protocol if one has trouble with Vit C.
Some folks that have, for example, Interstitial Cystitis can not handle Vit C.
Very irritating to the bladder.
I don't know if in any way the salt part would help offset that?
I have some sea salt. Also some Sodium Ascorbate. The SA is supposed to be less irritating. ?
I have not taken it in awhile. Perhaps I had trouble with it as well.
I did read on "Jenna's blog" where she came up with an alternative. ie using something like Apple Poly (?) i/o Vit C.
Thoughts? I very much want to try the Salt/C protocol.
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Susan,
Perhaps it's just the vitamin C by itself that was irritating to your bladder. Maybe a buffered C like Ester C in powder form would work.
I do believe that IC is from infection of parasites. I had them exiting my bladder early on. I would try mixing some salt and C at a very low dose 1/4tsp once a day and drinking extra water. Just sip, not gulp it down.
Parasites can cause a lot of pain. Also the adjunct of antiparasitic herbs works well with the salt/c. I say, give it a shot.
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Thanks for all the help. I am doing mimosa pudica with the salt c for now.
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Bringing this back up for biscotta to review.
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MMS, for real or not?
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I took MMS for a long time when I was doing Dr. Robert Youngs Alkalizing program and buying his greens to mix with the MMS.
Didn't touch my infections. Not sure if it's the same premise that GiGi's talking about and mixing it with something else like citric acid.
Salt/c makes more sense in that it is a healing agent as well as a killing agent. MMS which is essentially chlorine is a different ballgame from what I read.
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I've been through rounds of Ivermectin and Albentza. I have been reading this thread off and on with a fair amount of curiosity. The past week, I again developed some stomach distension, nausea, and reflux.
Because of the successes on this board, I tried a coffee enema today (organic coffee, filtered water, non-bleached coffee filter).
I have a few questions if anyone has the interest or time to help. First, does anyone add any supplements or herbs to the enema?
Secondly, I went at least two feet up for the enema (some have suggested here that this benefits the liver and gallbladder) and when I got a little more than a quart in my system, my body simply couldn't handle any more enema liquids and I had to evacuate what I had taken in within two minutes.
Does one's body become used to this task and can one train themself to accept these amounts of liquids and also train themself to hold the enema liquids for at east ten minutes?
I thought it would be easier than this but my body cannot hold much liquid nor can it hold the enema for very long.
Does it get easier?
Thank you very much,
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I have been doing very low dose salt c (found different brand of c) and I noticed my bm looks different like yellow and then today after doing an enema last night I noticed tons of these little green stones.
I usually try to notice what is coming out and I have never seen these before. If I hadn't heard someone on here mention gallstones I wouldn't have known what they were. Is salt c supposed to do this, is it normal? Does it mean I have a gallbladder problem?
Sorry I have just never seen these before and never considered this an issue. It was quite surprising.
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Just FYI- full moon is today. Farmer's Almanac calls this one the "Full Worm Moon." Fitting, eh?
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It feels like it. I couldn't sleep last night.
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someone asked for this so i wanted to post it here where it is easy to get:
The Parasite Paradigm: The Complex Paradigm of Lyme Borreliosis and Chronic Infections by Dr. JW
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So I demanded some meds from my PCP yesterday- started on Vermox last night and now I am seeing what looks like liver flukes!!! Unbelievable!
My stool test was of course negative- worthless LabCorp! But I told my doctor that I am tired of feeling so terrible and paying money for tests and appointments that go nowhere, so she agreed to let me do this Vermox- but only a 3 day run.
Where should I go from here when I'm done with Vermox?
I've only been taking Paragen, but it is not doing the trick. My ND wants me to try mimosa pudica but I'm wondering if I should just try Humaworm or Salt/C again?
Any suggestions or experiences? I'm still losing weight- more than 50 lbs now so I have got to get this under control!
Thank you!
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Take pictures to your PCP, and if you can, bring a sample in a jar.
I'd then request Biltricide for 3 days (400mg 2x per day). Then I'd ask for Ivermectin for 2 weeks (9mg 4x per day). I think that would be a good start. Continue taking pictures. Then you can go back and ask for more.
Ivermectin is a good broad-spectrum med and I think a lot of people feel good while on it. I do!
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I would say whatever you do, DO take something that will keep hitting these suckers from different directions.
You can buy Vermox (mebendazole) otc--I got some on Amazon made in Italy, a little pricey but if you wanted to follow through it's an option. Somebody here knows where else to get Vermox, maybe they'll speak up or you can search online...
Fenbendazole is a very similar drug and some people have reported improvement on it. I think the vet version is called Safe-Guard. Usually vet doses are by weight so you can scale up or down as needed.
You have a lot of options. Just keep going with hitting them, however you do it!
I have been working my way through each of the rx meds and have just started Alinia. For most of these drugs, I have to take small doses or pulse because of herxes, so it's a slow process.
So far, EVERY anti-parasitical I have tried has produced visible results!!!!!!!
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Getting discouraged about treating parasites.
I've done: 4-5 months of salt/c 2 months BWH/wormwood/cloves 2 months diatomaceous earth 1 month 5-8 raw cloves garlic per day a few pulses of oil of oregano occasional papaya seeds and pumpkin seeds
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VV,
The question is, how much salt/c have you ramped up to and is there Black Walnut Hull in your antiparasitics? I did 6 mos of strong antiparasitic herbs and didn't see a thing until I added the salt/c.
The herbs were killing the parasites, but it was the salt/c that made them let go. You might want to consider doing a stronger antiparasitc cleanse such as Parastroy and adding some cloves. I wouldn't give up on this avenue as yet.
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Thank you Silla and Tammy for your advice. I think I am going to get meds the animal route because my PCP says that besides this round of antiparasitcs, they don't know what else they can do for me and I need to find a specialist- I don't know if she meant parasitologist or what but I am out of money, so I'm going to do this on my own.
Yes, Silla it's been the same for me- no matter what I try I'm seeing results. But today- 2nd day of Vermox, my eyes and cheeks are starting to look less sunken in, so maybe rotating herbs and pharma drugs is the best way to go for me!
Thanks again!!
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I think rotating is the best way for all of us to go....so these darn bugs don't become resistant. I just finished Ivermectin and Pyrantel. Next I'm onto Albenza. I'll be seeing my doc next week and will see what he suggests next. I'm thinking I should go back to herbs a while, but I'll see what he thinks.
I've done several rounds of all of these. And I do think switching it up has been good.
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VV,
You can order Humaworm and they can eliminate any ingredient you don't like. I would try a dry herb like Humaworm to see if that works any better.
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Yes, I agree that switching or rotating antiparasiticals seems like the logical approach, and it feels like it works.
Not only do I see results with each drug, I should also add I see DIFFERENT results with each one. When I took Biltricide I saw a critter that I could hardly believe was a parasite, but I did find it on lymephotos...never saw that one with any of the other stuff. Now on Alinia, my third day, I saw a big critter I haven't seen yet in all these months. YIKES.
I will definitely cycle through these again. I am hoping that some of this killing will make taking albendazole easier later on--that one works for me too but I get herxes and have to keep to small doses.
Little by little, getting rid of them!
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VV, are you taking digestive enzymes? When I remember to take these it seems to make quite a difference. I don't think the critters like these.
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I generally take enzymes with every meal. I've been taking them for more than 6 months.
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I'm also juicing, so I think I would get a lot of enzymes there too.
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VV,
Also forgot to mention that 3-6gms of salt/c is a very low dose, especially after that amnt of time. Consider increasing the dose 1/4tsp a day.
Mixing the salt and C in a glass of water is best. Also Ester C powder with bioflavinoids is preferred as opposed to capsules.
Anyone on salt/c should also eat foods high in potassium or drink coconut water that is also antiparasitic and high in potassium.
P.S. Have you considered doing some pharma meds such as Ivermectin?
Gael
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VV, it sounds like you are doing a great job with all of your efforts. I'm sure it will pay off in the long run.
Gael suggests increasing the salt/C dose and that seems like it would really be worth trying at this point.
If you wanted to add any pharmaceuticals, how about pyrantel, available over the counter as PinX. It seems to be something most people tolerate well, it's kind of an easy one to take. You can do a trial for just a day or two to see if you get any results. I always tend to be cautious (I herx a lot) and take a smaller dose than it says on the package. This is something I take intermittently--again, more or less on the theory that surprising the buggers is a good idea.
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Can't up the salt/c dose at the moment bc I started ozone therapy which makes antioxidants (Vit C) tricky to dose.
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ATTENTION EVERYONE:
Just found this on a site called Lymebusters. It is under the title "scab this is a newly discovered parasite"
It is described as a rope worm and it shows different stages with pictures and methods to get rid of it. I have seen people here and elswhere post pictures of this and have seen it myself.
It also describes "bubbles" that these worms emit. Worthwhile to check out. Make sure you go to Lymebusters Chat.
Gael
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I have a question, can you have a colonoscopy and not see these things? I know parasites could be in other parts of the body, but you would think a doc doing a colonscopy would see these things....
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I was loaded with parasites, but they were never seen on the colonoscopy I had. I suspect they hide in the mucosa of the intestinal lining.
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Gael/Silla- Thank you. That link shows EXACTLY what I've been seeing. This is a new human parasite?
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Your welcome! Thanks for posting that link Silla.
daynise,
I don't think this is a new parasite that I know of anyway. Maybe just one that hasn't been posted much. I did see it mentioned somewhere else, just can't remember where.
Gael
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That is one disgusting looking creature. Did someone here really have one of those in their system?
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Wow, thanks for posting Gael and Silla. I find this stuff fascinating!
I recently saw a Paul Chek dvd on parasites (Healing fungal and parasitic infections). His view was that parasites, etc., (even ticks) find their next host by the high infra red energy the host emits.
To the bugs, a less vital host is basically lit up like a christmas tree (easy for them to find). He also said that the bugs, microbes, parasites, etc are basically mother nature's way of recycling the weak. We need get ourselves back in balance.
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