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I could use some good thoughts. I took Albendazole today, I haven't taken any in at least 1 1/2 years, and I'm having some heart palpitations,
which I NEVER get- I am going to bed, sure I'll be fine in the morning, but plenty scared to not ever take this again.
It's very strange, my parasite load is way down - I've been consistent for months and months now with herbs, I didn't exceed dose, no other parasite herbs on board, I'm off antibx.
(well, per my weight, it says max 375 a day, I did 400, but divided in 2 doses). Double checked no negative interactions with anything else I take.
Anyway- all the other hardcore antibx, and never this symptom- I guess I'm a little panicky, took detox, and will sleep now. Thanks--
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Surprise-many many good thoughts your way.
Especially of parasites leaving your body-for good!
I sure hope you get a good night's rest and feel better in the morning.
I will include you in my prayers and will be sure to check in to see how you're feeling tomorrow.
Best wishes
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Hi, Hang in there. My doc said to make sure u detox like colonics or enema when u do anti-parasitics. Take extra fiber or juice. Positive thoughts and prayers.
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Hey, thanks. I'm okay! I also have a cold/ viral thing kids brought home from school-
usually I never get these. So, taking it easy- little break.
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Thanks for checking in Surprise!
I hope the cold goes away soon
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Thanks again :-). I went to a walk in clinic this morning (great service)
and got an EKG (normal) and a chest x-ray (clear) I have a cold that's turned into a cough- got Z-pak.
No, I did not mention I'm treating parasites (and I stopped today) because I don't want to look like a crazy person when I need conventional western medicine.
I needed some peace of mind with the symptoms I was having- sobering, and I'm grateful.
Wish I could say I'm done with this parasite deal, but, the evidence is in the toilet, shall we say.
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Thanks for posting Anuta. I think I'm going to try it once I'm off parasite meds.
Greta, I really think you're going to love coffee enemas.
Surprise, I felt horrible on albenza and couldn't figure out exactly why. Patients are instructed to take it with fats, however, fats make everything worse for people with protomyxzoa (biofilm bug).
I am back on albenza, only this time it's much better because I'm not taking all the fat I took before (just a little now with the pills), and I'm still passing worms. Try cutting the fat.
IMO, albenza is a good drug to help people discover if they have proto. I hope you feel better soon!
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Thanks Catgirl- fat doesn't seem to bother me, and last time I took Ivermectin, it never made a real difference -
I'm pretty sure Protomyxzoa's not an issue, but I don't know anything for sure anymore.
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Also wanted to add: I think the reason Albendazole completely knocked me for a herx (and just the one day killed a lot)
This time I chewed up the tablets instead of swallowing them whole and DID take it with fat (tablespoons of nut butter and coconut oil)
which has been stated to make the Albendazole MUCH more absorbed and fully potent-
I can attest to that!
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Nut butter does it to me.
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I can eat a couple tablespoons of nut butter, or a couple tablespoons of coconut oil, nothing. Nothing.
But when I mixed it with chewed up Albendazole pills: yikes. I am also a fighting a cold/ illness, with some perimenopause thrown on top.
What a long haul for me it seems, with these parasites. Ick. And scary.
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Yeah, albenza is tough. How long have you been treating parasites? Do you feel better since initially treating?
I am really feeling the die off today. Lots of worms exiting. I don't know what I would do without coffee enemas. They really do help.
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It's been 3 years since my first parasite cleanse (Humaworm)
Then right after, I started treating Lyme and Bart, then some months into that, had a Zyto reading by well- known person
and parasites came up on top- started some rounds of parasite treatments/ drugs and herbs, but last months I've stayed consistent, not letting up.
What will be interesting is when I start to gain and hold weight on- I think that may be slowly happening now-
Finished the mimosa pudica, went right to the Albendazole - ghastly in the toilet, frankly.
I'm on a 5 day break while a do a little Z-pack (Azith.) try and get over cold/ illness.
Have a new bottle of Clark tincture, the Albendazole, some Ivermectin, clove tincture-
not sure which one to start up on again- need to keep up the salt/C, too. Thanks for listening, and support.
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Surprise-sounds like you're blasting away at them! Sounds great! Good for you for keeping going even when the going got tough.
What's zyto?
And I keep hearing about alina. Is it prescription?
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Thanks Greta, hope you are feeling a little better!
Alinia is a prescription- I did a month on it- it's used a lot with Babesia, which I don't have, so it wasn't too tough for me... Strong one, though.
Zyto is an 'alternative' type deal- actually a computer program that 'reads' your body, and the program/ session is run
by a skilled practitioner. I thought it was very interesting- and depressing, it pulled up a load of health issues for me!
Then it 'rates' the issues (infections, hormones, parasites, viruses, food issues, vitamin deficiency)
and 'tells' you by this rating which category or issue is the top layer (most problematic)
All interesting, and expensive (daughter and I both treated at same time.)
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Wow, 3 years!! There really is so much to these parasites (amazes me). I'm with you, I would love to gain some weight. I hope you feel better soon. :)
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Hi surprise,
Thank you for your thoughtfulness Feeling a bit better. Took my frustration out on the floor with a vacuum and a mop. Had the babs sweats dripping all over the floor though at the end.
I am sorry to read you've had palpitations. Uncomfortable and scary! I'm glad your ekg was normal though. Are the palpitations gone? Or still a few hanging around?
Zyto sounds interesting.
Thanks for filling me in on alina.
I am waiting for my enema kit to arrive in the mail (in a plain unmarked brown box), haha, to do some coffee enemas.
Hopefully that will help pull the doom and gloom worms and toxins out.
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Hello! I am back after 2 years of being healthy to treating Lyme, bartonella, (new to me Ehrlichia) and now parasites after ART testing.
I previously treated for 1 1/2 yrs Abx and about 4 mos herbals but have relapsed or got reinfected.
I'm glad to have found this thread and my llmd has the same ideas about parasites causing a lot of the problems.
I started Doxy but had to stop and switch to Minocycline this time due to sun, some herbals and Alinia. Along with pectasol-c and chlorella. (and of course probiotics)
I started Doxy this past Saturday (switched to Mino Wednesday eve due to sun sensitivity) and felt pretty 'normal'
Started the Alinia Tuesday night and have chills shortly after taking it and as of this AM, pretty bad diarrhea (although I havent seen anything)
I am curious if this is parasite die off or a reaction from the ABX. The last time I treated, I never had any GI problems, and am hoping this is die-off. Especially since I have chills after taking it.
I have also noticed the last 2 days I am so depressed with worry about all of this, but this could be 'normal' I assume? I am beating myself up thinking I passed this wretched disease to my 2 kids. If I read correctly though, parasites can cause this too?
I am also interested in learning about the salt/c and am wondering if Alinia does the same thing or if I can take it with Alinia.
I will go back through and continue reading the previous posts but would appreciate other's thoughts!
Thanks!!
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Welcome back Peyjad! Glad you found Gael's thread! I am so grateful for her. She's helped many of us. :)
I think alinia can cause diarrhea (drugs.com). Chills, I'm not sure. Babs? You should probably call your doc if the diarrhea doesn't go away. I probably wouldn't take salt/c with alinia, at least not while alinia is giving you diarrhea and chills, but maybe others will have a better idea here.
I have had depression while killing parasites, but it's normal, IMO. There is so much info here on salt/c. I think it's best to get the book.
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Wow, Ipkayak, great piece! It amazes me what they can figure out so many years later.
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Thank you Catgirl! I appreciate you taking the time to respond!
I did have babesia as well but my doctor says not anymore thru ART so I'm not sure.
I'm starting to think the diarrhea is from chlorella (seems like that may not be that uncommon frm what I've read) weird thou that it started a day after Alinia though...
I am going to look into getting the book and talk to my llmd also. She is very open to trying new things and very up to date with Lyme so hopefully I can beat it for good this time.
This thread has given me lots of encouragement and hope so thank you to Gael for starting it!
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You're welcome Peyjad! The parasite meds stir up my babs sometimes. IMO, babs is as good at staying dormant as lyme is though. It could have been dormant while she was testing you. Your doc will be able to tell (time will tell).
I just read this thread and followed what others said regarding salt/c, but I know Gael usually recommends the book. I haven't seen her post lately, I hope she's okay.
I tried salt/c with a parasite med once and felt worse, so that was the last time. I took the lowest dose of salt/c for about a year.
I vaguely remember getting diarrhea too on alinia, so my doc took me off of it. But I tried it again later on and it worked (no diarrhea).
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I sure hope babs isn't back, I have enough on my plate
I do see my doc again in a few weeks so I will see what she says about it- hope good news!
I took Mepron fine, I THINk they treat the same things (?) Maybe I'll have to switch to that delicious med
Well thanks again and have a great day!
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Hey Catgirl and everyone, I'm still here. Granddaughter was visiting over the long Labor Day weekend, so haven't been posting much. Sooo glad to see everyone still pushing forward getting rid of these parasites.
It's unbelievable how they have invaded our bodies and caused so much havoc. I have gotten rid of all the big ones several yrs ago, and am 95% better.
Still have little ones that seem to have been hiding in the crevices of the small intestines and bile ducts, but am making great progress everyday.
My energy level is better than it has been in 30 yrs. My 16 yr old granddaughter couldn't keep up with me walking around the city. Persistence is key, so just keep pushing forward and you will get back to good health. You are all real troopers believe me.
Love to you all.
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My husband rifed for parasites yesterday. Woke up this morning feeling anxious, jittery, and toxic.
We are wondering if he needs more binders? He takes charcoal water during the night when he wakes up. During the day he takes apple pectin in applesauce.
Sometimes we add DE to the charcoal water.
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Great to hear from you Gael! :-)
Manne, I can only add make sure the bowels are moving to get the stuff OUT.
Trying to muster up courage to take Albendazole again- PTSD from last weekend *sigh*
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There she is! I'm so happy to hear you had a nice Labor Day weekend. :) I'm also thrilled to hear about your energy level too (right on)! That is my goal (more energy).
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MannaMe, it sounds like the rife stirred them up. Feeling toxic means he has all the pee, poop and toxins from the dead and dying parasites floating around making him miserable. I get this with PEMF, and heavy duty meds like albenza. And anxious = parasites for me. I need more binders than usual when I'm killing parasites heavy duty (like now). And definitely coffee enemas (will take the toxins out quicker).
Surprise, I hear you about the PTSD. :)
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Feeling kind of wacky. Did Albendazole this week, and have been passing dead liver flukes.
Last dose tonight, and then a dose of Ivermectin tomorrow a.m.
What's that line from the Godfather movie:
'Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!'
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I have been treating parasites for well over a year now with no end in sight. My husband who is lyme positive but has zero symptoms has decided to do a round of Parastroy just incase he's passing them back to me.
He is on his third day and has been having extremely bad headaches. I'm wondering if he does have them since he's having such a strong reaction to the Parastroy? I've asked him if he's ever seen anything suspicious in his stool and he says no. But, I'm thinking he probably does by his reaction.
Should we continue with the treatment or stop? I am inclined to continue because obviously he's having some sort of die-off.
I can't believe how persistent these parasites are!! They are so hard to eradicate.
Also, my LLND explained to me that we need to also bring up/boost our immune systems at the same time so our bodies can fight these off on their own. They are in everything we eat.
Trying to figure that one out too
Thanks for any help!
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I would encourage him to finish it- my husband, who does not have Lyme, etc.
Was a good sport and did Humaworm with me some time back, and had no reaction- he also did a Renew Life Yeast cleanse this year-
Die off is pretty real to me with parasite treatment- I take NAC (PharmaNac is nice) milk thistle, curcumin capsules,
and Researched Nutritionals multi immune when run down-plus, supp B, D vitamins and minerals, good diet-probiotics
I am also taking Cat's Claw 2x a day, which helps build immune system.
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Oh, probably obvious, but keeping the bowels moving is critical-
I like Oxy Powder caps (usually just need 1) before bed, mag citrate, enemas can help expel.
Lovely right? But I just had another clearance, off for some days now to rest my liver, and I am healing- feel like I'm moving forward-
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Something weird happened to my husband too. We thought he should treat for parasites since I'm loaded with them. He tried some humaworm and it wasn't too long before his back started killing him (said that he didn't really do anything to cause the back pain). So he backed off the humaworm for a couple of days, then re started it again. His back got better. I wouldn't be surprised if anti parasitic stuff stirs up lyme.
Birdie, I think your LLMD is right (immune system).
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Thanks Surprise and Catgirl. I think maybe I will have him back down for a day or two and then re-start. I would hate to stir up Lyme since he is totally symptom free. When I first forund out I had lyme and he tested positive, he did 2 months of doxy and flagyl and never herxed at all but this could definitely be stirring things up.
I think I will give him some charcoal tonight to try to soak up some of the toxins.
Yes, building up our immune systems makes SO much sense to me. It's just how to do it while killing the parasites, since they damage our stomachs along with our immune system.
I need to add in more minerals and other things to bring mine up. Thanks Surprise for the recommendations.
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Hi everyone. I have gathered the primary Dr. K parasite protocol together and have almost enough to get me through about six months or so (I need more ivermectin still but I am close).
I am wondering when will be a good time to start. Right now I have a really heavy abx load. I'm wondering if I may need to stop some of those abx in order to do this protocol.
Mepron and Malarone is part of my protocol. Can these be taken in conjunction with Ivermectin - Biltricide - Alinia - Albenza?
I will not start this until I know I am doing it right. I just want to get it right since I am spending a lot on these meds and wuodl rather not throw the $ away.
I have only done a few rounds of parastroy in the past, I don't really know anything about treating parasites. Could one of you warriors help me get started, and keep me from hurting myself with all of these meds?
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Hey lymeboy- this is just my opinion- and not sure what your weight is- but,
I personally think the Dr. K doses are pretty darn high- so, if you haven't done one of these meds before,
perhaps go slower and see how you feel.
As for interactions, I use drugs.com interaction checker online (obviously consulting a qualified Dr. is best, there's my disclaimer)
I am not on antibiotics right now (just some herbs) and I have read it might be a good idea to be on one when busting up parasites as they release 'junk' bacteria, toxins, what all.
I recently took Azith. 5 day unrelated, and saw a lot of die off- related, I don't know.
Obviously, watch your liver. The parasite drugs can be hard on it-----some will say take parasite drug breaks for liver to rest. 2 weeks on, 7 days off, etc.
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Right now would be a good time to start treating parasites (already feeling the upcoming full moon).
I agree, I think they are high doses, but imagine Dr. K's dosage is primarily for people not on abx. I have done milder versions of his protocol while on doxy and mepron. I am not on abx right now and can tell you that even a lower dose version of the protocol is still hard for me. These meds are strong.
I probably wouldn't do the full dose if you are going to stay on high dose abx (too hard on the body). When I was on doxy, I did the protocol but only 12 mg of iver per day and the albenza and alinia were half of Dr. K dosages. But the first time I took them, I did even less than that.
The other thing you could do is the herbs instead while on the high dose abx. I don't think they are as hard on the liver. I guess it all depends on how badly you need the abx.
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It's that time again (full moon coming up), how is everyone doing? I was already feeling it last night.
I just passed a fat disgusting worm (yuck)! It was so gross! I felt horrible all day so it must have been busy dying. The toxins these things put out when they die make me sick (herx city).
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judging by the staggering amount of abx I can take without feeling to uncomfortable, I could do the full dosage. But I'd be nervous to do it along with abx. perhaps I could sub the Mepron with an herb until I get through a cycle? bad idea? I think my liver may be taxed already with the Mepron. But I've been getting it checked regularly and I'm ok according to liver function tests. But Mepron and Malarone together paired with Iver. and biltricide....could be too much. I'm 180 lbs. So that could be why I can take high doses. That is normal weight for my height.
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Lymeboy, I've never taken Mepron (just Malarone) haven't done full on babs treatment as we are 99.% sure I don't have it,
so not sure how to respond about combining with the parasite drugs, or going off Mepron-
Catgirl, it's really wild, isn't it? Good for you! I'm not sure what to do over this moon phase- my H finally has time off next week, and I think I'm going to take a break
see if I can get some local low key fun in. I'd like to power through and treat tho, too... but I think I'll try a break for 7 days. Bummer it's over full moon- I'll do cloves at least.
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Lymboy, I would be nervous too. Mepron and malarone together are VERY strong. That is great you are getting regular blood tests. Adding parasite meds though is going to be harder on the body.
I remember reading before that some people have done this protocol with abx, I just can't remember what they did. I personally think it is too hard on the kidneys/liver, but I'm no doc. Hopefully others who have been on abx will post.
I would definitely lighten the abx load,(good idea getting rid of the mepron). I remember my lyme specialist telling me that iver put some of her patients in the hospital (This is from a specialist whose big on abx). I know it's a pain in the neck, but you could hunt through lymenet for more info.
Surprise, I know it is wild! I would love to take a break, but I know the week before the full moon is the toughest for me (reproducing). That is the one time that I make sure I take something (at least 2-3 days before). You could also treat every other day too. Cloves are a good idea. Either way, have a nice week with your hubby!
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I realized yesterday, as this moon flare began with my digestion going south, irritability, food cravings, etc.
It still happens whether I'm treating or not- and I still don't have stamina for large far away excursions- so I am back on Clark tincture for the week,
which was quite powerful for me 2-3 months back last time I took it- will be interesting to see if it's easier now.
Who knows- but I can't deny what I'm seeing and the affects of parasites.
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Is anybody else rifing for parasites? How often do you rife? My husband has been rifing every couple days - about 3 times a week.
He knows he's hitting something because his stomach gets upset and he feels toxic. He is using binders and detoxing. Usually the next day after rifing for parasites, he's coughing.... is that from hitting something in the lungs???
He has no interest in doing the bathroom science experiments that some of you are, so has no idea what may be exiting.
Those of you taking cloves, do you just use the spice out of the cupboard? And how much at a time?
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glm1111
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I use Hanna Kroeger Clove capsules that I buy from vitacost. I have read from Hulda Clark that the store bought cloves are not strong enough.
I have also used fresh ground cloves from the Farmers Mkt and mixed some in my coffee along with cinnamon which is antifungal.
Between this and drinking the salt/c along with lots of antiparasitic herbs, these suckers ran for the hills. Coconut oil is also excellent and VERY good for brain fog.
Gael
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Right on Surprise--we can't give these suckers an inch!
Insomnia big time last night (argh). Everything is flaring right now. I know it's because of the full moon. Babs is a parasite, so it's flaring too. Bart symptoms flaring for me right now too, so I'm pretty sure it's proto, not bart (proto is a parasite, similar symptoms).
Hang in there parasite warriors (just a few more days)!
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glm1111
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Thanks Catgirl for all of your helpful posts and encouragement for these brave parasite warriors.
It means a lot!
Gael
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GretaM
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Insomnia and irritability at a max.
Sleep schedule totally mixed up.
Did first coffee enema on Saturday.
Unbelievable! Did sea salt enema first and followed with coffee enema.
Yikes! No wonder I've been toxic lately. Yuck.
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Okay, guys wanting some help and encouragement. I have been treating with various herbs for parasites. I believe alot of my symptoms are from parasites as most occur at night.
(My nights are horrible.)
I am considering taking the plunge and adding salt/c.
What do the critics say about this protocol in terms of medical side effects? Precautions?
Where do you get the book?
I have alot of reservations just due to ignorance.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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glm1111
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Sea salt is much different than table salt that is devoid of minerals.
Adding salt/c to the herbs is what caused the parasites to let go and I had a mass exodus for mos. Sea salt and vitamin C are a great support for the adrenal glands as well.
The combo of herbs and salt/c packs quite a punch. You can order the book salt/c plus from Amazon on the upper left hand corner of the lymenet page.
Gael
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