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From lymie_in_md's link,
"Antibiotics definitely should not be taken. Antibiotics are the reason we have such a high mortality and infection rate in this country, because people go to the pharmacy, describe their symptoms to the pharmacist and ask for drugs. They buy antibiotics, take them, this lowers their immune system and as a result they become sick. If prescriptions were required to buy these medications, like in other countries, this would not have happened. It is the ability to buy antibiotics over the counter without a prescription which has done so much harm to the State."
Marnie?
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In Norway there is only the swine flu, the kind that is very easy. I read several people got pneumonia after the vaccine. Mostly risk groups have had access to vaccine and not even all of them have gotten the vaccine as the deliveries ahve been delayed. There is only pandemrix available, the one with the two adjuvants. People often got unwell for a day or two after the vaccine, and some got pneumonia right afterwards. Some died from cardiac failure after the shot but they say it was totally unrelated to the vaccine.
I had the flu, and others I know, and it was very easy.
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I was in the doctors office today and I overheard a
conversation, dr to mother of child with heart
problem. They advised mother to get the dead/killed
vaccines only for the child. As for Bob's post I
don't know what to make of it. If they don't tell
pretty soon I guess we still have to draw our own
conclusions.
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Very interesting info from someone who has studied the autopsy reports, Bob.... (though I am unsure if this man was ever present DURING an autopsy). Thanks.
I don't know enough about viruses to comment on the engineering of this pathogen. (I did look up `parainfluenza virus', which appears to be a virus that causes upper respiratory infection, including the common cold. I thought `colds' were caused by a rhinovirus, so I'm already in over my head.)
If there is no pneumonia involved, then is the article suggesting that there is no `inflammation' of the lungs, only destruction? If so, an antihistamine wouldn't be helpful, correct?
The whole antibiotic issue is a touchy subject because so many Lymies are already on abx. This has worried me a great deal from the very start of swine flu illnesses last year. Antibiotic use during a viral illness, generally, is sort of `the elephant in the room'.
I ran across an article not long ago but never posted it. Unfortunately, there's no easy or obvious solution for those doing abx treatment.
quote:Long-term Antibiotic Use Heightens Cold & Flu Risk
The September 2005 issue of the "Archives of Dermatology" reports that patients under long-term antibiotic therapy ran a risk of developing upper respiratory tract infections at more than twice the rate of people not using the drugs.
The findings highlight the dangers that prolonged antibiotic use raises the risk for infection from bacteria that have developed resistance to the drugs.
Researchers at the university of Pennsylvania School of Medicine studied 118,000 patients with acne and discovered that those receiving the standard treatment of oral or topical antibiotics for more than six weeks developed colds, flu and other upper respiratory infections at more than twice the rate of those who were not being treated with antibiotics.
The researchers point out that even though antibiotics generally have no effect on the viruses that are associated with colds and flu, they believe that the activity of drug-resistant bacteria may change the upper respiratory tract in such a way as to allow the viruses to gain a stronger foothold that results in higher rates of infection.
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It seems those taking ABX should do what they can to both lower exposure and use herbals to strengthen the immune system. I also like the idea of using aromatherapy in salves for inside nostrils, talk to an ND about it. I believe if you topically put antivirals on the inside of the nose where we breath we limit the virus's entry into the body. If the virus does affect you it might give the immune system a boost to repell it. If you are a mouth breather, get some cloves and occasionally chew 1 or 2 several times during the day. Very antiviral, if you talk to some folks from India, it is common practice there.
quote:Clove (Eugenia caryophyllata), main constituents of the essential oil are phenylpropanoids such as carvacrol, thymol, eugenol and cinnamaldehyde. Topical application relieves pain and promotes healing. The biological activities of clove have been investigated on microorganisms and parasites, and antiviral activity against Herpes simplex and hepatitis C viruses. Clove also has antimicrobial, antioxidant, antifungal and antiinflammatory, insect repellent and anaesthetic properties.
It doesn't hurt to occasionally gargle with GSE and water or salt water.
All very simple and inexpensive ways to battle this flu season.
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Good thinking, Bob.
And onions and garlic would be good to eat (or take).
And I am using my spritzed Thieves Oil mix! I got some sniffles yesterday and just inhaled a bunch of spritzed Thieves and the sniffles disappeared! (Thieves contains Clove oil, BTW.)
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link to pub med if you would like to look up anything on your free time.
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"In June 2007, the EMEA approved Optaflu, a Madin Darby canine kidney cell culture-derived influenza vaccine"
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Why to the canine cell culture?
You are right Tracy. You might as well toss a
coin. Look what kind of stink they have started on
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I hadn't realized that animals were used in vaccine manufacture until I read this through your posts.
I read about the Green? Monkey. But when you hear a second animal, one must estimate that the use of various animals is widespread.
And as you pointed out about the Monkey, I wonder how many fewer people would have vaccines if they knew they were created at the torturous expense of other sentient beings.
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You may want to look at this before jumping to conclusions about the Ukraine flu-
Ukraine, WHO and the Geopolitics of Swine Flu Panic
"Broxmeyer suggests that the WHO and CDC wish to divert attention from a worldwide epidemic of tuberculosis, while focusing attention on flu instead. Indeed recently the WHO changed its categories of causes of death to lump death from influenza in the same group as death from tuberculosis and other pulmonary disease.
Given the present Swine Flu hysteria, any pulmonary death seems to be reported as "death from H1N1 influenza." In a passing note the report typically notes the patient also suffered from lung problems."
PS - hello Brussels! Seems everything went well with your transition.
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So lets connect the dots so far:
> A microbiologist, a member of Mossad and well published announces a pandemic is to occur in the ukraine 2 months before it happens. Is pulled from his car and sent back to Israel. Why would you announce this?
> A pandemic is announced and 2 million have the flu in the ukraine
> A pathologist announces this disease to be a combination of h1n1 and parainfluenza
> national press isn't touching this either as hoax or real
> the influence of big pharma at the global level, scary!!!
> the WHO took samples from the ukraine and confirmed H1N1
> the WHO down plays the pandemic while others are turning up the volume.
We are all being played! If the ukraine was say proven to have a deadly form of h1n1. Wouldn't you expect every one to be lining up for the h1n1 vaccine?
So is this pandemic part of a plan gone bust or a plan still in motion, or will we see the institution of plan b. Are we sure we aren't all living in a movie, where you don't find out the truth until the very end?
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Yes. It's very much like a disinformation campaign. When I started to see this, I just lost interest in the whole thing.
Rumors & lies spread like wildfire over the internet. Even if you think you may be cutting edge - there's the potential to be played.
You have to be very careful & read between the lines - not just connect the dots...
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I wish it were that easy. No one ever read between
the lines for me and lyme. I had to do it myself.
But I am awfully thankful I got the chance to do
something about it.
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Yes. We have to do it ourselves! No one is going to make you see (sounds kind of like a Beatles' song doesn't it?)
After you study it enough, you can start to see the misinformation & disinformation. You have to look at all of the angles & cross-reference everything.
Being kind of skeptical helps.
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I believe there is a lot of flu going on in the Ukraine and it is H1N1 and I still don't believe H1N1 is as bad as portrayed in the press.
Yes there maybe 2 million people sick with the flu. They are a new form of casualty involving politics. And I believe the doctor doing the autopsy finding h1n1 and parainfluenza is what happened.
This is a national story not covered, either hoax or not. I'm confused by that.
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Not to be paranoid but I couldn't find "anything" about this Dr. Victor Bachinsky on the internet other than this article. This one article was referenced everywhere... The same article over & over again.
Please prove me wrong!
It's nice to get a few opinions about this sort of thing.
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How does one end up in prison on a misdemeanor, and end up with no bail. And no release.
I loved that hot orange, gas saver, VW. That is not the car of a crazy man. I wish it had been a smart car.
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I found this buried in that last post. I had no
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Pinelady, I believe that Joseph Moshe was an agent provocateur...
Just my gut feeling. I don't have a TV with cable so I missed the whole news event.
If you are into conspiracies - look up about all the microbiologists who died mysteriously...
Sorry Grandmother - I just don't have the mindset for all the technical stuff. I've been researching XMRV & that's quite enough for me.
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There are reports of spraying in Germany now and
reports of birds falling dead in Europe. We are
under high alert for air and elevated for national.
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This is the school he teaches at certainly exists.
I can't find a roster of teachers at the school. Plus we're doing searches using English to find someone. Might not be the best method of finding him.
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German newspaper says they gave their military non additive, killed vaccine.
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Thanks for looking into it Bob... Still doesn't make me trust him or the media. I'm a "devil's advocate" when it comes to stuff like this.
Someone I know always says - "If the world comes to an end, at least I won't have to pay back my student loans..."
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PS- So sad about the budgies. I love budgies!
They spray here quite often. They did spray the NYC area alot more when I lived up there...
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"An autopsy on two casualties revealed [the budgies] died from congestion and haemorrhaging of the lungs."
I don't know where you find this Pinelady, but Thank You!
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I've got to say, I'm digging this so much more than the Cold War. I mean, we should have done this ages ago!!!
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WoW. Sounds like Victor knows what he's talking
about. I don't think it was a boiler flue stopped
up. If any of my birds start croaking I will let
you know. This is unheard of and very alarming.
I think we should be at severe alert. You know how
many chicken farms we have around here. Ouch.
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Dr. Bachinsky may have high credentials but he still could be towing a party line (if you know what I mean).
The Bushes never denied they were Skull & Bonesmen... if that makes any sense to you.
I have to stop before they come & get me here - LOL
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I thought this would be cool if it was accurate.
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British Columbia Centre for Disease Control said
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Children will be offered two injections, each containing one half of an adult dose of
Pandemrix, made by GlaxoSmithKline, as data has shown this has produced a good immune response,
but this will be kept under review.
Meanwhile the World Health Organisation said all the pandemic vaccines were showing a good safety
Swine flu: intensive care beds for children 'could run out' Intensive care beds for children could run out in Britain this winter due to swine flu, researcher have warned.
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I wonder if Dr. Bryzinski has an axe to grind. He mentioned in his interview it was a bioweapon. Human beings are emotional beings, it may not sit too well knowing a bioweapon inflicted the injuries to the people he forensically reviewed. He may be acquainted with many who have become sick. My intuition is he's angry at the situation. I guess in time we'll know more.
I'm sorry too for the budgies, but in a way they may have some folks from being sick or worse. In essence they did what they were once used for in mines.
You might want to see the following interview on immune system:
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Take from China.
Zhong Nanshan, respected by many in China for his candour and work fighting "severe acute
respiratory syndrome" (SARS) in 2003, said he did not believe that the national H1N1 death toll of
53, the Southern Metropolis Daily reported on Thursday.
Zhong, who is now a doctor based in southern province of Guangdong, said that "some areas have
not been testing deaths from severe (pneumonia) and treating them as cases of ordinary pneumonia
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I had forgot about them mixing up heparin products also. My My.
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Someone caused the deaths of 4000 hogs in Iowa.
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A mutation found in Norway swine flu victims.
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Really interesting about the Hemopurifier...
I'm sure it would help to some degree with Lyme to get rid of any viruses in the system. I'm not sure how it works with retroviruses. I don't know hardly anything about them but I think they change your DNA. You would need to clear the retrovirus & then heal your body from the damage. Just a guess...(?)
PS- now that I think of this - it only filters the blood... how would it get to the intracellular pathogens?
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