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Yeah, there are two camps on that issue. Never have figured out who to believe.
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I strongly disagree with some of the other things Brian Rosner has supposedly (I say supposedly since I've never read the book myself) claimed.
Like his views on antidepressants (which Lyme researchers have found can help the damaged Lyme brain actually work better, not just alleviate symptoms) and his view that, the way I heard it, was saying amoxicillin will only drive the Lyme deeper into the body.
So overall, I don't give too much credence to his theories. Sorry to put it so bluntly.
That said, I don't know about the chlorella issue. My LLMD does recommend chlorella though, and I'm sure he is aware of Rosner's book.
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I read a book called Amalgam Illness by a PhD in BioChemistry, Andrew Hall Cutler, and that is exactly what he says. In fact other than ALA, DMPS and DMSA most everything else picks up the mercury, but just as easily drops it. He says you can get two for one damage that way.
He is very against chlorella, EDTA and a bunch of other stuff. Ilike that he explianed things from a chemical point of view. (I will try to explain and hope I say it correctly. These things are mon-thiol (they only connect with one bond), whereas DMPS, DMSA and ALA are di-thiol a much stronger bond.
He also explains that ALA is the most effective becasue it is the only one that can cross the blood brain barrier.
And finally he explains that it is crucial to chelate based on the half-life of the chelator in your blood stream. The idea being that you take a dose and before that is toallly gone you take another dose - this helps make sure that there is less redistribution.
You can google him or his book and there is a yahoo group called frequent-dose-chelation, that is very knowledgable if you want more info.
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calmom,
yep. That's what Rosner talks about.
I get my fillings taken out in 2 weeks and the office i"m seeing (a very well respected bio-dentist...friend of Cowden).. uses chlorella.
Maybe there's more he uses... I'll definitely ask him about it.
Now I'm nervous lol
Boy health sure has a price don't it?
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Ha! I have you beat, Hoos- I disagree with both Rosner AND cutler on this one.
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Guys, neither Rosner nor Cutler are MD's, and neither of them see patients. they're writing stuff based on their (biased) readings on the internet. And making a lot of money on it.
MD's who do chelate often have different views on all these issues.
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Chelation is one of the most annoying issues to research- there hasn't been all that much controlled research, symptoms mimic those of other diseases and conditions, which makes it hard to evaluate success and failure- and there seem to be two or more opposing camps who disagree vehemently on everything.
sort of like Lyme, except no clear science to really go by.
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I agree. I come from the chelation side into the Lyme side and that was my first thought. Not again! A controversial, political issue, where many don't have any definitive test (without further risk if not done carefully), good doctors are hard to come by and often prosecuted, there is acute disease and then chronic and lots of arguments...well the list goes on.
Cutler is not an MD and cannot see patients as such, but he does consult with MD's. Mine read his book and agreed with the biochemistry of it all and was willing to help me chelate in that manner becasue he felt it the safest way to go.
I had my teeth started by a well known bio-dentsit. Even fot a referrral from Hal Huggins for him. THe chlorella made me ill. THe Dentsit and I disagreed and parted ways half waythrough my procedure. At that point I did not know about chlorella being a problem - I just knew I was feeling really bad and getting hemmmeroids which I had never had in my life. I was told that I would get worse before I get better. It just did not sit right.
I finished my teeth with and even more well known bio-dentist who totally agreed with the low dose method, but did not get into chelation - he left that for experts in that area, told me taking the amalgams safely out was one phase just and that keeps him very busy.
Two experts, two opinions and about $20,000 dollars later.
Personally, after a lot of research I had to do what set right in my mind. Perhaps some people tolerate chlorella - maybe they excrete mercury well enough that the cholrella is just what they need to finish getting it out. But it did make me worse. After reading and understanding, then having my MD confirm the logic of the bio-chemical part as explained by Cutler - I chose that.
Can someone get well on chlorella? possibly. But I do think there is an increased risk. And I think it is important to understand how it works so if you do feel bad you can stop - not just try to push through.
Cutler is not writting based on internet readings - he got ill and happened to be going through his PhD in Biochemistry at Princeton at the time. He comments how he was fortunate to have the knowledge to navigate through his illness. He has done everything he talks about -he even talks about what he thinks he did wrong. Finally I think it was a nephew who was diagnosed with autism and he used his knowledge to hlp with chelation in that area.
Finally, I do not believe Cutler is making tons of money. The only thing he sells are his books - and they are not written to be marketable (I really wish they were more user friendly). THe Amalgam Illness is about $35 directly from him - but almost $75 on Amazon. He is also active on the websites that use his chelation protocol and really tries to keep the information accurate - again for no pay. He does not sell supplements, nor endorse particular products -so I don't think getting rich is the big motivation on his list.
Lastly, I do not know Cutler, I just researched him a lot before I did his program. I really appreciated things explained in a scientific way - with a lot of room for individual protocols. Mostly I am just sharing what I know and experienced in hopes that people can make the best informed decision and help monitor their results.
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I'm with Maria and Hoosiers on this one....Rosner is not an MD, more an aggregator of info....my LLMDs have always recommended chlorella, but less as a chelator and more of a health thing.
For binding they like charcoal, chitosan, pectasol.
BTW I had my filling replaced by a biological dentist and he gave me....chlorella.
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CD57,
And I take it you had no problems?
Did you notice anything during heavy metal detox?
Like could you tell you were removing metals?
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I go with Dr. K's protocol, and get ART tested to see what I need when...then you know its good for your body at the present...not what works for someone else with metal in different places than you have it residing and hiding...but what you need to get it out safely, if at all.
I do believe all mercury amalgams should go...but I'm talking about the mercury hiding in the brain, and elsewhere that escapes the amalgams. That most likely has been there for man years.
Sometimes its not good to remove metals for certain individuals...hiding safely could be the best option.
Provoking it to leave because you want to just clean things up..when you are feeling well ....may cause more damage ie...bipolar, other mental symptoms or aggrivated health issues...this is unknown. But this just happened to my close friend.
This needs to be explored individually to do this safely. None of us need more complications from heavy metals.
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Dr K recommends chlorella in high doses and has one the best brands out there.
I personally don't think it is harmful and unless rosner or cutler (both of which are no different than you or i) can produce some literature suggesting otherwise then I don't see why they get involved in the first place.
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I got sick with chlorella at first, I tried it many many times, but always felt sick with it... That lasted months on.
Until my naturopath gave me about 100 pills AT ONCE to be ingested in front of her.
I told her, I'm dead AFRAID of these green pills, because chlorella made me so sick before. She re-tested me again, and said, take them. I did, but with GREAT FEAR.
I had the most amazing results with it. In about 30 minutes, my bloating disappeared, all GI issues I was having after amalgam removal, gone, my brain got clearer, I got sooo much calmer, relaxed, could drive back home for 3 hours relaxed...
This was my first love story with chlorella in the beginning of 2006. Since then, I never stopped taking chlorella. Even after lyme is not here with me anymore.
There are hundreds of publications of chlorella. It is not a strong binder, it is right, but it is also like food and it helps with neurotoxins and other toxins (not only mercury). When taken in high amounts, it can do miracle!
Of course, some people may be allergic to it (like with anything). Or have difficults to digest it. I thought I was both: allergic and couldn't digest it. Until I took 100 pills at once!
Another thing that make people very sick is ALA taken in wrong phases of detox. Just see older posters here, people can get real very bad neuro damage from it.
If I had to stop taking everything and leave ONLY one single supplement, that would be chlorella. I see it more like a super food than a supplement.
My naturopath was also trained with dr. K.
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Thanks brussels for the post, ive been trying to get up the desire to take a 50 shot of them to see what happens, i think now i will. lol.
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Today I tested for 50 as well! I have never had a problem with chlorella. lp
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Where do you guys go to get these "test" done?
Who do you see? How do I find somebody in my hometown who does these tests?
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Chlorella does not clear toxic metals from intracellular spaces and is not a chelator, if there is such a thing at all. There is not a single agent that will remove the metals from the intracellular spaces and carry them all the way out of the body. It takes several agents under certain conditions and timing, and methods to accomplish this. This is where the majority of toxic metals are buried -- inside the cell.
When you use killing agents for bacterial infections, you will also release toxic metals in the die-off. This is often referred to as a herxheimer. You are also putting toxic metals into circulation that have to find another body compartment.
Allergies toward the major four toxic metals - mercury, lead, copper and nickle are a problem for most of the Lyme sufferers who are tested with Allergie Immun. If allergic, the immune system does not recognize these metals no matter where they are and does not work on your behalf. The majority who have taken the test found out that they were allergic to the metals.
These are not allergies at the biochemical level that would or would not produce allergens or antigens. They are errors in the DNA, at the informational level, often inherited or acquired at a later point. Most the people who have been found to have these toxic metal allergies are also allergic causing dysregulations to wheat, soy, often corn, most fungi and thousands of chemicals.
Combine these metal problem allergies with the leaky gut problem brought about by these food allergies, and you may see why many have a chronic problem that leads from abx to often worse or no satisfactory place at all and only somtimes temporary relief.
It is my experience that you can take chlorella and other binders until the cows come home and you will still suffer from the neurotoxic effects of heavy metals stuck in your system, unless you correct the dysregulation in your DNA. Allergie Immun is the only method I have found to do that easily and inexpensively.
Some people say they feel better after "chelation". That maybe true, but usually it is just a shifting of the problems into other body areas and more symptoms later.
Chlorella is a healthy complete food if it is a chlorella grown under tight supervision in covered tanks and clean air and water, and a great binder to catch the metals in the gut before they are redistributed throughout the system, when no binders and fibers are present to do that. (Some people don't digest it well.)
Neither DMSA, DMPS, or any others manage to do that. Other agents have to be present to complete the job. That is the hardest part. Timing is even harder. If you try to detox the brain before the gut is clean, you may end up with more toxin in the brain and central nervous system than before you started.
All things being equal, no dysregulation problems, microsilica is a more recent addition by Dr. K. to the chlorella for capturing the toxic metals stuck to the heavy innervation of the gut. Quote: "In terms of metal detoxification which is a key part of the treatment for HPU, MicroSilica is 100 times more effective than DMSA or DMPS. Detoxification of the gut sends the signal to other body compartments to release more metals. MicroSilica often helps with mental function, vision, and reduced ringing in the ears. MicroSilica should not be taken at the same time as zinc."
Take care.
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gigi,
Link to microsilica so we can review it?
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Chelex is awesome. But aside from that chlorella is a chelator contrary to what some try to say, it's just not systemic. It remains in the digestive tract. People like to claim that because something doesn't have two thiol groups it's not a chelator, but all that means is it takes two of the entire compound to bind to the metal, granted it may not do that quite as well but it still does bind to it this is the same as for glutathione.
Chlorella can't "stir up" heavy metals anywhere other than your gut, and with the high concentrations of it that you'll achieve in your gut it won't let go of metals once it's bound to them.
Keep in mind Brian Rosner is a journalist, not a chemist, biologist, or biochemist.
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pryorka,
My naturopath wants me to go on Chelex after i get almagams taken out.
What exactly is chelex? i can't find it online?
How does chelex differ from ALA or chlorella?
Can it be taken with chlorella?
(I just noticed that I take 400mg of ALA already. It's in my Liver Defend Product)
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I've wondered something for awhile.....
Are chlorella and microsilica ONLY good for binding metals in the gut, or do they bind to other non-metal toxins and help pull them out of the body?
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Chlorella offers many benefits besides binding heavy metals. It offers detoxification of a wide variety of toxins and has equally wide nutritional value.
When I was at Dr. K's seminar in October, he said that microsilica is not absorbed throughout the body and goes to the gut. As I think Gigi stated above, detoxification of the gut signals for more metals to be released.
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My doctor, who is an experienced LLMD who tests for and treats heavy metals says that the scientific evidence is that Chlorella takes up heavy metals in vitro but NOT in vivo - in other words, when it's alive and in a petrie dish it takes up heavy metals. When it's dead it does nothing but provide some nutrition to the person taking it. He is an awesome doctor and is very open minded so if he has researched actual scientific studies and come to that conclusion I would tend to believe him :-)
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And there you have it, canefan17! Absolutely back to square one!
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lol @ ping (I tried sending you a PM, it wouldn't let me) (Have you blocked yourself? I dont blame ya)
Thanks djf,
That product looks awesome. i think I need to start trusting my naturopath. lol
That product has everything everybody recommended as being good.
Xymogen is very legit.
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The director of Doctor's Data, Dr. David Quig, performed that study. So, you could probably contact Doctor's Data for more info regarding that study.
Dr. Boyd Haley seems to think that mercury free chlorella is virtually worthless as a mercury chelator. Dr. Haley also says that some chlorella contains mercury and therefore some chlorella supplements could actually increase mercury levels within the body.
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I tried to track down that study and all I could find was a sentence or two that paraphrased it. It said that the study was done at a naturopathic college and that they gave chlorella to patients with dental amalgams and that mercury wasn't excreted. The sample size was 15 people and the testing was done on days 3 and 8.
If that's all the study did, that doesn't mean that it proves that it doesn't work for chelating different forms of mercury in other parts of people's bodies.
A couple of points: -I think when Dr K was big on chlorella, he was suggesting using both cilantro and chlorella. Cilantro was 'the mobilizer' and chlorella was a binder of the mobilized mercury. He or at least some of his followers were pretty clear that chlorella doesn't mobilize mercury from body compartments by itself.
-my LLMD's office includes a naturopath who has been doing chelation of various patients for 15 years (or something like that- I don't see him myself). I assume from my LLMD's practices that the naturopath uses pharmaceutical chelation agents and not chlorella. I know that they monitor the process using Doctors Data. My LLMD says that the naturopath successfully chelates patients who have mercury amalgams and high mercury tests on the DD urine DMPS challenge test without having them remove the amalgams first. The test numbers go down over the period of time that the patients use the appropriate chelation agents (not chlorella).
I think what this says, if it is true, is that the mercury in amalgams isn't affected by chelation (there are a bunch of people who say this, and a bunch of other people who disagree).
-if what my doctor reports is true, then a study that ONLY gives patients chlorella (and then doesn't find mercury in their urine or whatever) only proves that those patients' mercury fillings aren't releasing mercury very fast. This wouldnt' be surprising to me.
-It is surprising to me that they didn't describe, say, a urine DMPS challenge test done for initial assessment of those study subjects mercury levels. Maybe those people didn't have a mercury problem. The naturopathic college and the researchers doing that study may have just assumed that amalgams=chelatable mercury, which is something that not everyone agrees on now.
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MariaA - Thank you. I've NEVER heard of chlorella as a chelator or mobilizer, only the chlorella and others you listed. You're right; there are so many questions. Was mercury a problem for these pts or not, etc., etc.
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I do trust the Doctors Data folks (and I'm not wedded to the chlorella idea at all), but without seeing more than one sentence about the study, it's hard to say that it definitively proves anything.
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What would this 50 or 100 mega dose do?
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Thanks, Nana. That's what I thought but we tend to focus on just the metals as toxins.
Chlorella - or any other binder - can't pull something from the body that is still bound up in cells or extracelluals spaces. So, I'm not sure how helpful that study is.
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Trying to find one substance (chlorella or DMPS or whatever product) that will be THE solution for the whole of our heavy metal intoxication problem is a bit like trying to find one substance for killing lyme disease...
The problem is MUCH more complex. While I use chlorella for years, I used about 20 or more different substances only for the purpose of cleansing heavy metals out. Chlorella is just a small part of it, even though, in my opinion, very valuable.
Whatever a big study may say, I have taken chlorella after a herx for so many times for so many years that I am surely not leave it away even if God comes down to someone and say: 'hey, this doesn't work for herxes'.
If it doesn't work for heavy metals, it still works wonderful for many types of herxes. You just have to see years of posts here in lymenet from many different users. It maybe won't work for everyone, but there are too many of us using it with very positive results to put it down like the devil.
Chlorella won't solve the problem of metal intoxication of anyone, if taken alone. Nothing will (I mean, no single magical substance).
The picture is like lyme: the problem of metal intoxication is much more complex than finding a couple of substances that will free you of evil forever.
In my opinion, it is even MORE difficult to get rid of heavy metal excess than of borrelia and lyme disease. I'm still trying to solve the puzzle of heavy metal intoxication (and dr. K. too) and so is everyone that come up with some wonderful new treatment.
Lyme for me is 'solved' for the last 10 months (at least). Lyme is also solved for dr. K. but he's still excreting metals after the KPU after so many decades trying all possible different substances / methods, right?
I'm still feeling herx-like symptoms after ingesting zinc and manganes (the KPU protocol), still having my breathing rhythm affected, rapid pulsing, irritation, etc, very similar to a herx.
With the difference that I don't take any killer anymore for 10 months. I take metal mobilizers, that's all. If I don't take the KPU supplements, I don't 'herx' until next intake. And again, my symptoms fade about 30 minutes after ingesting of chlorella AND sometimes, other things.
I've been doing the KPU since March or April 2009. If again God publishes a paper saying, 'hey, chlorella doesn't help symptoms of metal intoxication', well, I don't mind.
I will continue taking my chlorella after ingesting zinc and manganes because I see my symptoms going down to zero about 30 minutes AFTER the ingestion of chlorella.
Maybe I shall now shift to microsilica for a change?
Of course we need more papers and research done and that they are valuable. But I won't trust a research that is done in who knows which conditions with who knows what type of people and who knows what type of chlorella MORE than my own first hand experience.
That would be like trusting my doctor and ignoring my own intuitions and symptoms!
The great controversy on what works or not for heavy metal detox is the proof that this is a complex issue and that NO ONE has the final answer. I didn't find my answer yet.
I just suspect that Gigi has a hint with that AI treatment, that only treating an allergy to a heavy metal could make our body excrete more heavy metals in a way no metal mobilizer could ever be able of.
None of the heavy metal detox protocols even mention a possible allergic reaction to heavy metals, right?
Anyway, these are just my thoughts, I don't want to attack anyone, I'm just writing my own experience and thoughts here...
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Chlorella works under certain circumstances. Micronanonized chlorella works even better, under certain circumstances.
But nothing works completely and lastingly if the DNA is running with errors in the electromagnetic system and is unable to regulate all functions = aka allergies at the energetic level.
Dysfunctions at the DNA level cause more dysfunctions, eventually causing negative biochemical consequences, and more of the same (chain reactions) after that until we are chronically ill. Or, if mild, I call it living in the grey zone. Not well and not sick.
If the immune system is deaf and blind and cannot act, the toxins stay where they are - in the body.
Yes, I have been told during my first year under treatment for Lyme in 1998 that if allergic to a toxic metal, the body will not release the metal. Also if allergic by whatever cause to a life-sustaining substance, a certain trace mineral for instance, the body will not absorb it readily and we become deficient. Neither condition promotes health.
We have known about allergies, but we are unable so far to fix them with school medicine, no matter how hard we tried. They always come back at some point later in life and stronger then.
Now - I am happy that I searched and found AI.
Take care.
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"Chlorella--Andy: "While there is little in press that shows chlorella to be harmful, there are multitudinous observations of real people which show that. All you have to do is ask around. Chlorella is simply another "sulfur food." It is very harmful to people who are high in sulfur."
"Dr. Klinghardt, is the one that popularized DMPS injections and DMSA every other day, the first and second most dangerous mercury treatment protocols. Now he is on to chlorella, which is also very dangerous. I know several people who took it per his protocol and suffered permanent neurological damage as a result."
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The PA I see said the "hardcore" chelation treatment they use includes 600mg ALA daily, 1,200 - 1,500mg NAC daily, and every 3rd night use 10 drops Nutramedix Algas, 4 capsules of 100mg Chemet (400mg total - it's a prescription drug), and 7 tablets of Chlorella (They use King Chlorella)
Daily:
ALA 300mg x 2 NAC 500mg (or 600mg) x 2
Take Every 3rd Night
Nutramedix Algas 10 drops King Chlorella 7 tablets Chemet 400mg x 1 (4 tablets)
If someone doesn't have Chemet prescriptions, then Chelex by Zxymogen (4 capsules every 3rd night mixed with the Algas and Chlorella) is used.
This information is apparently standard practice at their office for patients with mild, moderate Chronic heavy metal poisoning.
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Brian Rosner was a real estate agent, turned author. Just to set the record straight.
Considering the heavy metal problem in the general population as a result of environmental pollution, someone had better start taking it seriously, and not just the alt med docs.
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Metallic blue,
That's what I'm doing with Chelex.
Using it twice/week.... then supplementing with what I'm low in (determined by heavy metal urine test). Like zinc, etc etc
Also.... my LLMd prescribed me DMSA to take the day before almagam removal and the day after.
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Gigi, Could a person attempt to do AI treatment on their own?
Is there a book about it, or better yet, a 2-pg pamphlet?
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thejoje - I will not presume to answer for GiGi, but you'd do well to read at least the last 3 pages of the thread called "Allergie-Immun Germany" here in Medical Questions. It will tell you what you need to know.
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I am w/Hoosiers on this one.
I just don't pay much attention to Rosner because I have no idea where he gets his information. I've heard he was a real estate agent, turned Lyme Disease author.
The following list I compiled after I had a metal's test come back completely negative. The only thing I was doing at the time regularly the previous 2 years before the test was Methylcobalamin Injections, so I credit it for the good results of the test.
From a website re: Methyl B12: If methylcobalamin sounds familiar it's because it is the chemical name for Methyl-B12, aka MB12, MeB12, etc. The form of B12 being used to treat autism by many DAN! Practitioners. Methylcobalamin is an essential reagent for the synthesis of the very toxic form of mercury, methylmercury, and the extremely toxic/lethal form dimethylmercury.
MariaA
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quote:Originally posted by mati: Here is what Cutler says
"Chlorella--Andy: "While there is little in press that shows chlorella to be harmful, there are multitudinous observations of real people which show that. All you have to do is ask around. Chlorella is simply another "sulfur food." It is very harmful to people who are high in sulfur."
"Dr. Klinghardt, is the one that popularized DMPS injections and DMSA every other day, the first and second most dangerous mercury treatment protocols. Now he is on to chlorella, which is also very dangerous. I know several people who took it per his protocol and suffered permanent neurological damage as a result."
Well, there's a good quote is a good example of why I don't trust Cutler. He's: a)making an extreme claim about several relatively well-known, standard treatments (DMPS and DMSA are well studied by the conventional medical community as well as the alt-med folks like Klinghardt) and all he uses to back up his claim is 'it's obvious- just ask around'. No studies, no clinical observations, nothing other than hearsay. b)As Brussels says above, everything in mercury treatment is not standardizable. Some people respond differently to different treatments than others do. c)chelation is somewhat risky. I'm guessing that every way you could possibly do it is going to give you some small percentage of people who are injured by the process. Metals toxicity is thought to interact with a lot of other health conditions, such as immune issues, detoxification pathways, and infections, so it's no surprise that the outcome is not always a sure-fire thing. Many people still take the risk. I'm not surprised that a small percentage of Klinghardt's patients, who are usually extraordinarily ill people with very complex conditions, end up with problems that seem to stem from chelation.
While I'm not a major Klinghardt fan, I do think he spends a lot of time researching what he's doing, sees thousands of patients (unlike, oh, say, Cutler and Rosner) and bases his recommendations on observation of the outcomes.
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