Topic: Vitamin C Salt Therapy - Data Sharing - For those on/starting therapy
DebAz
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Hello everyone.
I am starting the new post today for us that have started the protocol and put down the items I feel would help us all know where we are in the therapy and what we are using etc
I would love to get the same feedback from others to start and then ongoing if it changes and check in on certain days or weeks etc on how it is going for you.
THANKS for being there and participating and I hope all great wellness forward.
DATE STATED SALT C : 12-2-08 KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C ABX ON or OFF : On ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly
CHECK IN FOR DAY # :# 2 -Adding the new Salt and C on Day 1 I feel like a herx hit me and I feel painful and achy and flu today. But not too horrible as I am up and around this afternoon and I usually stay in bed all day on a severe herx.
(as you all must read in the other post I did have a couple days headstart on kosher and vitamin emergency packs and did feel great for those 3 days prior to today. But will consider yesterday my day two since I bought the correct items yesterday and took them last night )
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It's okay TuTu,
we are all being careful. Salt and VitC are water soluble which means that drinking at least an equal amount of water will flush the kidneys and any infection that's sitting there as well.
Sammy1 has been in touch with over 500 people personaly by e-mail and they all are the road to recovery and have done quite well.
Hope you are feeling better,
Gael
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DebAZ, Glm.......thanks for getting this started.....I will start posting later this week once I get to the nutrition store.....I have company until Friday.....ugh
Should be up and running by Saturday.....
Hope everyone is staying warm, we are getting some cold weather here in Illinois.....
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It's important to first get blood tests to be certain kidney function is adequate to do this. Reading all about salt - from a variety of medical literature sources is a good thing, too.
And, please, be sure to keep your doctors in the loop.
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Hey there..I wondered when you were planning on joining..Maybe it will end up me and you only that are just starting.. I will keep an eye out for you... Deb..
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Thanks for your concern keebler.
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DebAz
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Yes Thanks Keebler for your concern and warnings. I will tell you I have read every post no matter what the view to stay educated.
THANKS for your contribution and taking the time to post items we all learn from.
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CHECK IN FOR DAY # :# 3 - Feeling pretty good today . Not great but not a Herx type day. . MIDDLE GROUND What I call Level 2 type of day. See below
DATE STATED SALT C : 12-2-08 KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C ABX ON or OFF : On ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly
How I rate days.. I usually use 3 words as of now to rate days and working on 4th.
1 = Herxing -In bed all day for the most part
2- Middle ground -where I am up by noon and get about 6 hours in that I am up.
3 - Good -day where I am up before noon and I have about 6-12 hours i am up and around.> low energy but up out of the bed
4 - Very Good- not only be up and about but to start getting energy to do things and to be productive.
5 - Great -feeling close to Normal again, still have many symptoms to manage and can think of working part time maybe
6. Last goal and I still hope to feel NORMAL one day.!!
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I more than a week ago with 1/8tsp salt and equal C mg.
First week Chills that went away quickly and that no longer happened after a week.
3 days ago started 1/4 tsp. I feel better after I take it. Kinda like a small surge of better.
Right now for me it's hard to say if it's my pain meds or the salt that are making me so tired.
Head hurts but it the pain level changes everyday anyway.
What I do know is that I have never tried Himalayn salt before this and now I crave it all day.
I think I need the minerals.
Fancy
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Hey .> Fancy Thanks
I started asking a bunch of questions and realized they are all in the little chart I made..
Well maybe you can just cut and paste my little chart instead of me asking all this.. Would you? THANKS.. Below is the chart and if you could put your answers next to the the items below and cut and paste this into your reply.. That would be awesome!!
DATE STATED SALT C : KINDS OF SALT: KIND of C : AMOUNT STARTED : HOW IT IS SPLIT UP : PILLS OR LIQUID : ABX ON or OFF : ABX KIND DOSAGE: CHECK IN FOR DAY # :
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the herxes? well, they suck. they vary from emotional and thinking this is NOT working to physical with swollen lymph nodes and fever, muscle aches, headaches, you name it.
i herx right on schedule once every 4-5 weeks and the herx lasts 5-12 days.
they stink and really hurt and soooo many people decide the protocol isn't working when they are going through a herx and stop taking the salt c.
but if you are herxing it means you are getting better.
buy the ebook at lymestrategies it is worth its weight in gold. i still refer to it.
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Sammy just says it all so well. I couldn't have put it any better. Not to sound like I am coping out of putting my 2 cents in.
The herxes are tough because they seem to be really magnified. I herxed every day since I started 2 yrs ago.
The internal vibrations never stopped. The pain was relentless, and the brain fog wouldn't leave. I never backed off the salt/c maybe that's why.
Sammys experience seems to be a little different in that she could regognize the cycles.
After almost exactly 2 yrs (Nov 2006) I am finally seeing a clearing.
The brain fog is lifting, the vibrations and pain is calming down and I can feel the infection leaving me.
I posted a detailed not so pretty picture of what came out of me on the original salt/c thread if you want to see it.
Hope this helps paint a clearer picture of the herxes.
Gael
The parasitologist who developed the salt/c protocol says it can take 2-4 yrs to get rid of depending on how long you have had it. I have been sick for over 30+ yrs.
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hey.. So you saw bugs and paraasite coming out within days>> Would if you do not see any ./ ?? Wow yours are intense descriptions in size and length etc.. I think i would freak a bit but it helps me be prepared hearing your story.> Wowers... for sure.
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Here is Gaels Post about Protocol experience.
Hi Guys,
As requested, I will do my best to give you the details of what took place over the last 2 1/2 yrs since I started the salt/c.
Going back 2 yrs trying to remember sequencing of things since I started the salt/c can be a little vague.
This I do remember.I was taking strong Chinese and South American antiparasitic herbs for 6 months starting in mid 2005.
I was having severe internal vibrations, (like a riveting machine) tachycardia, bad brain fog and severe burning pain thru my body. All the other aches and pains associated with Lyme & co.
I decided to start the salt/c while on the herbs and 2 days later, all hell broke loose. Approx May 2006.
( I also do clear water enemas) I take coconut oil and lots of kefir/yogurt and probiotics. That's it.
Everything that you see on the lymephotos site came pouring out of me including very large ascaris worms 18-20" Other filarial worms(looked like colored sewing thread(eggshell blue) came out of my scalp, my mouth.
Microscopic worms came out of my eyes,and nose.(Occurring over months)Horse hair worm,(8") and filarial worms and creatures I couldn't identify as well as hundreds of eggs.
This die off has been occurring intermitently over the last 2 yrs. It is still occurring but not as massive of an exodus.
I can't really explain why these herxes are so severe other than to say everything is really intensified.
I have not missed a single dose of salt/c. I also have had a lot of emotional herxes as well. A lot of heavy crying.
This might be too much info, but this is my experience. I have seen other people post the same info that have done the salt/c.
I posted some peoples experiences a few posts back. SALTYDOG member #6253(sept 21st)........FITSTICK member # 6812.......PHIL RICH member # 6817. I have seen GiGi post similar info.
No, this is not what is referred to as Morgellons. 97% of people who think they have Morgellons have been diagnosed with Lyme.
I believe they are one and the same. Burgdorfer found adult FILARIAL WORMS in the ticks and as an aside found spirochetes. These worms are also producing bacteria.
A lot of people want to stay in denial and think they are just chasing borrellia and other bacteria.
I think that is why antibiotics are not the sole answer and why people relapse. I am still on salt/c and getting rid of stuff daily.
I am definitely seeing a light and feeling a lot better. Pain almost gone. Brain fog lifting,vibrations are still there but slight.
I have been sick for over 30 yrs, and I think the longer you are sick with this the longer it takes to get rid of.
There is no doubt I needed antibiotics in the beginning, but antibiotics can't get rid of worms and parasites.
I hope this is the info you wanted to know. Sorry Deb I couldn't quite get it into the format you suggested.
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Do you have high cholestral Deb? I like to space things out. If it were me, i would wait an hour before taking anything.
BTW, I didn't mean to scare anyone with my descriptive post . It probably sound worse than it is.
I did see the same info in some old posts and also some info GiGi posted about some friends of hers that had this happen to them.
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No I do not have high Cholestrol. I am taking the cholestrymine for the binding agent and it is on the Dr S and Dr T protocol.
Its in detail here. They are cool as they write out how to do it in steps like day one and day two and what to buy and how to take things exactly. I have taken some things out of that protcol as information that has helped me make my own but I do not follow it exactly as they layed out. It is for Lyme patients as well as anyone who has nuerotoxins which includes many ill people
The timing around Cholestrymine is an issue if you read the treatment protocol
As well hey.. Only two people have told me that you should take your thryoid medicine ALONE before in the am before any other meds.
Do other people besides me do this and are told to do this>?? The two people are my doctor and my second doctor.. LOL And Dr T too... and Dr S say it in their protocol details.
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I am a little confused. Did your LLMD put you on this? Is he following the Dr. S and Dr T protocol?
I personally am not comfortable with anything that causes constipation. I understand the principal, just think there would be something more natural to do this.
I am not even crazy about the binding earth clays. The other dr mentions the vit c flush and alkalizing.
Well, the sea salt is alkalizing which will kill the bacteria and the vit c flushes out the toxins. I think that is all you might need. What do you think?
Gael
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Something to ponder.. Well he did prescribe it but it was after me asking for it because I had a mold exposure episode where I tore my shower out and it was all moldy in the back and I broke out in spores all over my bad and hips etc and it was so painful. I had read about the cholestrymine therapy for that as well as other things... The mold story is another story and it is rectified.. I am hoping.
But as well I then was using it to help my herxes not be as intense and would take it in the middle of the night as I was on Mepron at the time 4 times a day and it helped.
So i stayed on it for that reason. And I like the idea of the toxins being grabbed before they have a chance to reabsorb back into the system as it is trying to move on out. It is like a double check and helper to get them out,
And I like using it because of that and It does feel as if it has been working for me that way and I did not want to stop it just becuase of starting the salt thing.
I just was thinking outloud that I may be taking them too close together..
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CHECK IN FOR DAY # :# 4 - Its a middle ground day today again. Not feeling any better and not any worse. Not herxing too badly but some. Not seeing any bugs or parasites coming out of me and not seeing anything different at all really. Some shooting sharp pains in joints I noticed since I started. Not sure if it is related. But i do feel good when I drink the C Salt mixture and ecs after eating. Just feels like it changes the chemistry inside my gut . Besides that nothing to report.
Of course I will not report every day. And maybe weekly and monthly over time.. Would like to get at least a few of us talking at the same time and I know some are waiting awhile still to start.
I think I am already wanting to up the dosing because it feels as if I am taking nothing. I would like feedback on how often others went up in the dosages. Like an average timeframe...??
Debbie.
DATE STATED SALT C : 12-2-08 KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C ABX ON or OFF : On ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly
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Hi There Deb,
I definetly upped the dosage when I didn't feel anything. I went from 1/4 tsp to 1/2. I upped it a quarter of a tsp at a time.
DRINK LOTS OF WATER. Also you are very tall and it goes by body weight so you could probably tolerate the increase very well.
Gael
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yeah thats why I put that note in there.. because i wanted people to know I may jump the dosage when I am feeling like and more maybe than someone else because I am big and weigh a lot.
I realize that also.. silly me was using my measuring spoons .. the ones that have all the sizes and swore the smallest one was 1/8 now i notice that it is not.. it is 1/4... yikes.
I drink about a gallon a day ... ... and I LOVE Water.. I have a huge cooler in the house and my kids all drink only water now too.
Maybe I will not have the bugs going on?? I do not know.
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I was diagnosed 9/28/08 and started on 100mg doxy 2X per day for 3 weeks. (I didn't know any better then.) Went off everything for two weeks -- went back to doc and put back on doxy. Started doing research and started the Salt/C while looking for a Lyme Literate doc.
I found a doc, started abx but do not want to give up the Salt/C.
After I started the Salt/C I herxed for about 4 days. Then felt a little better for about a week. Then I started the abx. 3 days after I started the abx I herxed again -- horrible -- noise sensitivity, muscle and joint pain. Now I just feel like I am 90 years old all the time.
I am looking forward to hearing everyone's story. I like the idea of something as simple as Salt/C working -- but am still curious about the effectiveness against different types of bacteria and parasites.
DATE STATED SALT C : 11-5-08 KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic KIND OF C: Solgar 500mg capsules AMOUNT STARTED : 1tsp salt and 3 grams C (I am 5'10"ft tall and 200lbs) HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 3x per day early AM, noon, and bedtime I take abx mid morning and at dinner PILLS OR LIQUID : I mix salt in lemon or lime juice and water - sometimes tomato or organic veggy cocktail and C capsules ABX ON or OFF : On ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ceftin 500mg, 2x per day; Plaquenil 200mg, 2x per day; Mepron 750mg, 2x per day; Zithromax 500mg, 1x per day.
Also, omega 3, Acidolphilus and Saccharomyces(friendly yeast),low carb, no wheat, no alcohol, no yeast, no caffeine, no sugar
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Hi Marya, Welcome!
Have you read the info on www.lymephotos.com I find it very informative and have read it many times. I always find info I didn't notice.
The salt/c is supposed to be effective against Lyme & co. Keep us posted.
Thanx, Gael
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Hi Marya.. Wow that is very informative and thank you for taking the time to fill out my little chart.> LOL> But it sure helps to see and bring it al together and see what your doing.. I want to clarify one things.. You said 1 tsp salt.. and then said you take it 3x a day.. So does that mean you take 1 tsp each of the 3x or do you take 1/3 tsp each of the 3x a day.?
I am trying to figure out some dosing right now.
As well I hope your doing well and think that it is helping. your taking a of abx too.
i have so far seen not much in terms of herxing but I have noticed for some reason I am not herxing as much from my abx ..so far but am not sure if there is a relation.
Never know but i am watching closely what is going on.
I many make a daily log chart for myself which I have done before at times ... That keeps track of what I am taking and my pain level and herx level and symptoms etc.
Then I use that to report to the doctors.. too. It is a lot of work though.> Ugggg
THANKS again for joining the post and sharing>!! Love it.
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Deb,
Just thought I would help clarify dosage for you. (1tsp = 5 gms (grams) (1 gm = 1,000mg)milligrams)
so if you take 1/4 tsp 4x day you would be taking 1tsp or 5gms.
I personaly think it is easier to increase 1/4tsp at a time.....easier to keep track. I hope this is clear and makes some sense for you.
Gael
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ARE YOU SURE THAT'S IT?
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I like the detail GLM. I won't think I'm loosing my mind or mabe I will.
DATE STATED SALT C 11/24 KIND OF SALT : Himalayan Salt from Rose Mountain Herbs
KIND OF C : Natrol Ester C Powdered AMOUNT STARTED : 1/8 tsp. 12/1 Now 1/4 tsp a day HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: Not split yet PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C ABX ON or OFF : OFF
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I just wanted to mention about the biofilm. I see a lot of biofilm in the toilet carrying colonies of bacteria.
So what that says to me is that the salt/c is efective against the biofilm. Hope everyone is doing okay today, Gael
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Took my regular salt/c dose. Herxing not too bad. Hope everyone is feeling okay this evening,
Gael
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CHECK IN FOR DAY 5
Herxing day. In bed all day and just got up for a little soup. I guess not as bad as my most severe herx or i would NEVER have been on here saying a word.. But I will be back to bed here in the next hour or two.. I am just watching tv and trying to get some liquids in. I had taken my ABX yesterday as well for the 3rd time this week and that usually does make for bad saturdays. Not sure still if it is the salt or not. To be honest. This is normal for me. But time again will tell. Hello to all..DEB.
DATE STATED SALT C : 12-2-08 KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm of each PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C ABX ON or OFF : On ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly
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PS.. Just so you know. I am also drinking at LEAST 1 gallon of water a day while doing this... and always have... and now ok more than a gallon!..
And thats all i drink besides some hot tea sometimes...
I just realized that it is due for that time of the month and i always feel so horrible the day or or before and during the next few days of my period.. My head has been pounding during the last hours and it reminded me..
I lose track of the dates and time.. lots since being ill..
So i think I am not really herxing like I thought and honestly i know for sure because first thing this morning I was not feeling that horrible as i was up taking my first doses of meds like thyroid etc.. and after I ended up taking my other meds and drinking my c salt stuff... One hour between each,.
Then i passed out... and never got up.. and now I got it figured out so.. I do not think my current daily update has anything to do with the salt c issue really..
So time will tell and I can not count this as a Salt C herx...
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Just checking to see how everyone is doing.
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I'm confused about the doses people are taking. It sounds like some are taking 3/4 tsp. salt total for the day, taken 1/4, 1/4 and 1/4 tsp. and others are taking 1/2 tsp. salt in a..m. and 1/2 tsp. in the p.m.
How many grams of Vit. C total per day? My vit. c capsules are 1 gram each. All powdered Vit. c is not created equally. Thanks!
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It all depends when they started the salt/c. That's why everyone is on a different dose.
I started with 1/4 tsp salt to 1/4 tsp vitc. Everyone increases at their own pace.
Generally increments of 1/4 tsp at a time is acceptable. 1 tsp(teaspoon)salt = 5,000mg
1,000mg(milligrams is equal to 1 gm(gram)
So if you are taking vitc capsules that are 1,000mg you can take 1/4tsp salt which is a little over 1000 mg.
I use a powder ester c with bioflavinoids by Natrol. Makes it easier. Mixed in a large 8 oz glass of water.
I always drink another glass or two of water with it. Very important to drink a lot of water.
The best way to do this protocol is to pace not race and listen to your body.
Ramp up slowly and be your own judge. I hope this answers your question.
Good Luck,
Gael
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Gael- thank you for explaining this to me! So basically 1/5 tsp. salt to one gram Vit. C. Since it's hard to work with 1/5 tsp. of salt it's easier to work with 1/4 tsps. of salt, and use 1/4 tsp. salt to 1 gram vit. C., and extra water. Thank you very much!
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CHECK IN FOR DAY 6 Today is nothing but pain. I am waiting on my period and i have had not a very good weekend at all.. OUCH really painful. I can not comment on the salt stuff right now and I am taking the weekend off from it and see if it is related. Trying to gain knowledge.. Not sure yet. Starting tommorrow I will back down one step though. I know I only was on this dosage of 3/4 for one day and It seemed to be my peak for now. i would rather be doing a bit less for now than push it. Hope all is well. .Debbie.
DATE STATED SALT C : 12-2-08 KIND OF SALT : Eden Sea Salt French Celtic KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals AMOUNT STARTED : 1/4 tsp (I am 6ft tall and 215lbs)Optional HOW IT IS SPLIT UP: 1/8 tsp am +1/8 tsp pm of each PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C ABX ON or OFF : On ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F week
INCREMENT TIMING AND AMOUNTS
12-2-08 1/4 tsp total 1/8 am and 1/8 pm each of Salt and C
12-9-08 1/2 tsp total 1/4 am and 1/4 pm each of Salt and C
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Awww Deb,
Sorry you are in so much pain and have had such a rough weekend. I hope things ease up for you, Gael
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CHECK IN FOR DAY 7 Hello. I am feeling quite better today. Whew . It was a HORRIBLE weekend. Trying to clear stuff out and took a detox bath and am taking it easy today still. Thanks Debbie
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I'm still on 1/4 tsp a day. Experience Quick sharp pains in head and some body aches. Quick Sharp pains in my chest on each side.
Been awhile since I have had these symptoms.
I'll remain on the 1/4 tsp for a little while longer than up to a nite dose as well.
I'm glad you are feeling better deb.
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Hi Fancy,
Sounds like you might be starting to herx. Don't forget to drink lots of water. Thanks for posting.
Keep In Touch
Gael
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Hi Fancy and Gael How are you doing.. Well I hope ok,. It does sound like you might have some salt herx reaction..
Take a look at the article I posted and as well the others on the page. There is one here where someone who is on it and started it takes you through is journey and the herx feelings. Informative
i so far have had the sharp pains through my joints and some kidney ache and I agree with this article on taking breaks if you do.. I have taken the weekend off.
I sound a lot like the person in this article and will have to cycle or pulse this sort of therapy.
I have to do that with any ABX or orther treatments too...
I also believe it is good for you no matter what to let your body rest and regulate as well as give it time to do some clearing., I may not detox as well or fast as others and i think it bulds up in me and I have time..
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