It's great to hear about the progress you seem to be making; one thing however: Nematodes, worms, and any other form of parasites do not produce bacteria, they harbor them in their GI tracts just as we do. If the nematodes in your body are hatched there, and their Gi tracts are sterile at birth like ours are, then they get their gi bugs from us...
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Last nite I found something odd in the toilet. It was kinda white and perfectly round.
I took it out and found it had boyance (really don't know how to spell that word) It reminded me of a sea weed kelp bulb except alot smaller and different color.
So I opened it up and it had like jelly sticky stuff inside.
I looked on lymephotos and it looked like one of the cocoon pictures only white instead of red.
Interesting.
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Wow Fancy,
That's great! Sounds like things are getting stirred up and starting the process of moving out. Way to go!! Keep us posted. Looking forward to your next report,
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Doc Luddite,
You're right, they don't produce them.
But from what I read they carry an intracellular wolbachia endobacteria species that belongs to the family of Rickettsiaceae found in all life cycle stages of nematodes.
These are not originally from our g.i.track I have the abstract info on this, but I am having a problem putting the link here.
If you're interested you can google wolbachia bacteria for more info.
Thanks for your support. How are you doing? What protocol(s) are you using to get rid of Lyme Complex?
Hope you are doing well,
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I have a daily routine of healthy diet, consisting of fresh food, high fiber, no processed food or milk, no HFCS, no flour products made from unbleached flour. Recently I have abstained from coffee. I take a naturally derived vitamin D from a fish source at a dose ranging from 1-2000 IU/day depending on my sun exposure, or tanning booth activity which is 3 minutes once or twice a week. I take niacin to raise my HDL, chlorella to bind heavy metals, especially mercury, a metal I know I have difficulty with, and folic acid to enhance hepatic detoxification. I take 2000mg of fish oil every day, and N-acetyl-cysteine as a glutathione precursor, as that also helps with detox. I take 4 capsules/day of dried sea kelp to ensure that I am getting iodine in plentiful amounts. I take red yeast rice for cholesterol and licorice as a tonic. I just started vitamin E. As long as I follow my protocol, I am able to live the life I desire to live. I do all this not because I believe I have Lyme, but because I am 50, and I do believe that for most, aging slows the process of homeostasis down and that is aggravated by environmental toxicity and micronutrient deficiency. I have started the sea salt vitamin C protocol out of interest generated by the debate on these threads. While I don't deny the existence of acute lyme and post lyme syndromes, philosophically I believe that our immune system is where the buck stops, and I focus my energies on maintaining that system. I have noticed that I don't seem to be the tick magnet I used to be since starting the kelp, despite the fact that my cats bring them indoors all spring, summer and fall. That is merely observation, but I know there are people who seem to attract mosquitoes and those that don't, and there must be a reason, so who knows if ticks don't behave similarly...
I will try to check out that bacteria/nematode connection you mentioned, but if the nematode has an egg form that resides in the saliva of the tick, and that is how you get the nematode, then it still should have a sterile GI tract when it hatches in your system. If not, then somehow the nematode is ingested live with the bacteria already on board.
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Thanks Gael. Good Information from you and DoctorLuddite.
DoctorLuddite, Can you tell us at what pace you are taking the Salt/C? How much in tsp a day and how you are dividing it. Just curious.
I think I have mentioned this weird sensation on the top of my head. Well last nite it started again. This time it didn't go away so I took a look in the mirror.
There was a bright red mark surrounding a white bumb. I think it's a bumb. It's kinda hard to see.
It was alot like I saw on my thumb that one day. This morning I have started to feel those weird sensations a couple of other places on my head. But they are places I can't see.
The bump thing is still there this morning but no more sensations in the one spot.
I'm going to go up on the salt/C after Christmas probably 1/4 tsp and mabe start on some Black walnut/wormwood/clove anti parasite herbs.
Hope everyone is doing good today.
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Fancy.. Well wow. I read your post on the white cocoon looking blobs? Those were the first things I noticed and well I have not seem then again after the first week or two. I saw exactly and inspected them exactly like you...
And then there were the white worm things and reddish stringy very thin worms and .. more recently the dark bugs that have an outershell that is dark and inside they are white and like a eggish thing comes out.. And of course the things coming out my nose.. And these all seem to match what others are saying..
I am upping my amount soon too and since I started the capsules I noticed that they are not more potent or less potent in feeling... so I have been pretty stable on them and do not feel like I am taking too much.. at all...
So I am still on 1/2 total a day. And will be going up tomorrow a 1/4 for the week. I am not afraid of it but as well I know and have learned if It feels like too much I can stop for even a day or two and I can regroup fast..
Just like I do with abx..
So. well. Just checking in.. Glad it sounds like people are doing well and sounds like Fancy you are getting some sensations and symptoms of those bugs trying to and getting out.!
Keep me up to date.> It helps so much hearing from you and then when I hear the same description etc it really helps me understand what is going on as well help me identify or know that I am also having the same things as someone else..
It just really helps.
THANK you so much all for the ongoing support. on this forum.
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Fancy.. Let me know how you intend to up the 1/4 tsp and how your splitting things etc/
I think we should post a new little chart like My last one with the dates we upped the amounts and how we are taking it etc.
I wish other would as well give us that info if they are doing it but I think that are lots who choose not to post and I guess I do not blame then either..
It leaves you open for what has happened here..
THANKS to the comments of hanging in there no matter what others say.. It sure helps. I have felt pretty low on some days and I am just human. I can not say that nothing affects me.. And when you are sick it is even harder to endure those things.
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Hi Fancy,
The bumps on my scalp started pushing thru when I was on some strong herbs for Lyme & co. When I started the salt/c all h#ll broke loose.
The parasites started pouring out of me in the toilet and the bumps on my head started to break thru the skin.
They are/were the small parasitic worms that are discussed on lymephotos(pushing thru the scalp)
I also had the long thready (like sewing thread)ones come out of my head in eggshell blue and pink.
I would just find them on my desk. I know this sounds bizarre, but that's what happened. This certainly would explain some of my brain fog
Just go with it and know you are getting this crap out of you so you can get well.
Doc, I enjoyed reading your protocol, but would you mind breaking it up to make it easier for us neurolymies to read? Thanks
Have you been tested for Lyme & co? Would be interested on your progress as you are doing the salt/c. Looking forward to your posts. Are you using sea salt?
Hope everyone has a great day?
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Did you say I may start seeing cuts on my body? I found one on my lip last nite after I had the sensations.
I have one on my finger too. I have no idea where they came from. They are small but a clean cut like from a razor knife.
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Hi Deb & Fancy,
I just thought I would chime in here as far as dosing goes. What I usually do is treat it like any other meds I have taken.
When I was up to 3/4 tsp,
I just divided the dose 3x a day.
In other words I took
1/4tsp each Am
1/4tsp each...NOON
1/4tsp.....PM.
I am now taking 20 gms p/day so I take it in divided doses of 1 tsp each 4x a day. Hope this is clear......
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Fancy,
We must have been posting at the same time. In reference to the cuts, I have had these on my hands/fingers and some on my lips. They usually end up in scabs.
It's the parasitic worms coming out. They are trying to escape the salt.
It's not as creepy as it sounds, but just know you are on your way to getting rid of them.
My hands are clear now. I only had a few on my lips. If you need any more info or support let me know,
Gael
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Hey Gael.
I think about the dosing the thing is that if we go up by 1/4 then there will be times we have to not be divided equally in the day.
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Hi Deb,
I start the protocol with 1/4 tsp at a time. Never have done it in 1/8.(not enough to make a difference)
This is how I keep it simple. Increments of 1/4 tsp thru the day until you reach 1tsp.
.If you are doing 3/4tsp you would do it 3x a day in increments of 1/4 and so on.
When you reach 1tsp which would be 4x a day it would be broken up into 1/4tsp doses.
Then when you want to increase again you would take 1tsp and then later in the day 1/4tsp.( Ramp up slowly)
When you are ready to ramp up again do it in 1/4 tsp increments thru the day and so on.
This is the way I do it and what has worked for me. I am not sure what Marc has in his e-book as far as dosing, but Sammy could probably tell you because she has the book.
I hope I didn't confuse you. I think whatever you're comfortable with. Let me know,
Gael
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Deb,
forgot to address the scratches on your breasts. Okay, think of it this way.
The worm/parasites are on the run from the salt. They are trying to push their way out. The skin has to open. Think of this.
When you have an infected finger and stick it in salt water the skin opens so the pus can come out.
I have them in my breasts as well, but I didn't get cuts there. Mine appeared on my shoulders and upper and lower back.
Then they formed scabs and if I flicked the scabs the parasites come out.
(I know YUK) But this is what we are dealing with and why we are so sick. Just try and focus on "the enemy is on the run" and I am getting them out of my body.
I wish there was an easier way, but I haven't found one. Hope this helps,
Gael
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Thanks Gael
I think i will be as well taking some Sodium chloride baths and see how I feel with that too.
PS> I have had issues ongoing with fungal toenail infections. Not horrible. Just not ever going completely away
they are all of a sudden now going away. and drying out and I hwas working on them and using tea tree oil for years to just keep them from getting worse. .Just never could get them healed up completley .. I know the abx make that worse.. too..
But lately.. they have been getting better..
Thats a good sign
THANKS for all the info and support.
I have not heard about how your doing lately You said nothing new??
Do you think your close to being able to stop the therapy?? or would you ever cut back on amount?? or??
Where do you feel you are now at this point??
And I know you said you still see the bugs .. ..
on one thread I saw you write that you feel you are almost done with this mess..
I sure hope you are close.. and you have been through enough and so long and too much suffering and pain..
I hope for all your further healing... and continued success with the Salt and C therapy.
It so good to hear a real change or corner turned when nothing else was working
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Wow Deb,
That's great about your toenails healing from the fungus. I did read on the lymephotos site that the salt will help clear the candida/fungus issues.
The only new symptom I had to report was that huge bullseye rash on my chest and under my breats. It is almost completely gone.
It's a very light pink right now.I can't say the infection is in remission because I still feel some movement in my back. It is less and less every day.
I am almost finished could mean another 6 mos. I don't know. I don't trust these suckers. I will NEVER completely go off the salt/c protocol.
These worms have layed an enormous amount of eggs. All you need is one to start the cycle again.
I just read somewhere that the person from lymephotos is still on salt/c after 6yrs.
I don't know what dose I will keep, but I will stay at 20gms for quite a while.
Talk Soon,
Gael
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Just an update on new amount for this week. Things feel pretty even and stable and ready to work up. I think I left last week out.. So. well. here is the update.. Debbie.. Hope everyone is well..
DATE STATED SALT C : 12-2-08 KIND OF SALT : Sodium chloride - Plain Pills 452 mg KIND OF C : Bluebonnet Buffered C Crystals PILLS OR LIQUID : Liquid drink combining Salt/C ABX ON or OFF : On ABX KIND DOSAGE: Ketek 400mg M W F weekly
INCREMENT TIMING AND AMOUNTS
12-2-08 1/4 tsp total 1 gram 1/8 am and 1/8 pm each of Salt and C
12-9-08 1/2 tsp total 2 grams 1/4 am and 1/4 pm each of Salt and C
12-16-08 1 tsp total or about 4 grams = 8 tablets per day 1/2 am and 1/2 pm each of Salt and C
12-22-08 1 1/2 tsp a day or about 6 grams a day 3 grams am and 3 grams pm of Salt and C
What brand of the Real Salt did you say you were using?? I am still researching and trying to find out what is best and I think I still have not found what I want ... to take for sure. moving forward Deb
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Deb,
Real Salt is the brand name. I just e-mailed you the info. I also order ester-c from Vita Cost
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Thanks for the info on the cuts. The one on my lip is almost gone now.
I'm glad to hear your chest is getting better. Did and does it hurt or itch?
I'll up the Salt/C on the 26th. That will be about 3 1/2 grams than.
I am going slow since it takes about 3 to4 days for my Blood Pressure to level out when I up the dose.
Just being cautious since I have family history of my Dad's Blood pressure. I don't want to shock my system by going to fast.
you guys have a great day!!!
Fancy
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Hi Fancy Sounds like your doing pretty well.. Can I ask how high your blood pressure gets and what it is when it calms down?
I got a blood pressure monitor to be on the safe side myself so if it starts doing anything funky I can adjust to talk to my doc etc.. or just watch it.. overall.
As well as taking my temp too...
I will be up to 6 grams a day and will take 1/2 tsp 3 x a day starting today.
I went up kinda fast but at one point i was using some new measuring spoons and I used the smallest one and I had thought it was 1/4 ts but later saw it was 1/2 and so I had jumped up at that point and already was doing that for a week. So... That is my mistake and it boosted me a bit faster than I would have planned on and now i kinda and leveling out but also wanted to continue moving ... not sure if that make senese??
I am pretty tired right now and hurting.. Woke up with an auweful back ache.. I can not even stand up straight and have always had back problems.
Did you see the thread on back problems and relation to Lyme? as well on some other sites lots of talk about it. Every time I have gotten physical Therapy on my back.. even very small movements or treatments including just gentle ultra sound ... my back hurts really back and i feel sick like a herx.
So i know there is some relationship there...Gael has mentioned it as well.
Anyway. Talk to you later.
Have a great day yourself. I will probably be back on tonight sometime
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Hi Everyone,
I have been very tired and sleeping a lot. In the past couple days my gland on my right side has been swollen.
I am pretty sure it is from the salt trying to draw the infection out. Also having some head pain from the lesions.(getting much smaller) as the infection dies.
Hope everyone is making progress and doing well,
Gael
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Hi There.
I am doing well so far and still I noticed my sleep being so much improved. I swear it has been years since I felt sleepy. >My eyes were droopy!! Yeah! How nice it feels.
I fell asleep and had dreams and woke up feeling like I had actually had some sleep.
This has affected my adreanals or something. >Something is shifting for sure.
I feel some Herx type reactions but nothing horrible.. And when I feel the herx build up to staying in bed bad. I take a day or two and half my dose.. And it works!
all I can say is WOW and it feels good to see and feel something change for the better.
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Yikes, This rash is coming out again. I am almost positive this is a herx.
It almost looks like pictures of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.
Raised red bumps that are itchy. I am putting aloe vera on it and it seems to help. It gets worse when I drink the salt/c.
I think the infection is just on the run. Hope everyone had a nice holiday,
Gael
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gael- i will try to print out the ebook for you and mail you a copy. i am just so crazy with the holidays.
still feeling herxy. i have added a few drops of MMS to my routine and that is really kicking my behind. i must have some viruses and fungii that the MMS is attacking. still holding at 20 grams of salt c.
just spoke to another person over emial today who credits his recovery to salt c, FIR saunas and coffee enemas...just shows how important detoxing is... sammy
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Hi Sammy,
Sent you a pm. Steelbone sent me a copy so please don't fret. Just focus on healing. Good to hear someone else recovered from salt/c.
Take It Easy,
Gael
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Hmmm hey guys.. Anyway. someone can forward that to me too??
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I spoke more to my chiropractor today about sea salt. He said it was good for you, but no miracle cure for anything. He said it's best for people with low blood pressure mainly. I guess everyone has different viewpoints.
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Deb,
Had every intention of doing that for you, as soon as I figure out how to open it.
I originally had asked for it for someone that asked if I could get copy.
I have to have someone walk me thru opening the file since I can't figure it out.
Just sit tight and will forward as soon as I can. You didn't really think I would forget about you, did you silly?
Gael
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LOL Gael I know I know..
Silly Goose..
Hey> i am good at files.. If you want to let me try to help
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Where is everybody?
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Yeah.??
Hey Gael Did you get my email?? I am not sure where I found that information I read. But its gone.. ANd I checked on the site too? Its weird.
Hi Deb, thanks for asking about me. Holidays and stuff have kept me a bit occupied. FYI your PM box is full. I tried to send a message to you but it wouldn't go through and it said your box was full.
I'm doing fine. with Salt C. Today I will add to the dosage.
Salt C 3/4 tsp a day
Divided 3 times a day.
I wish everyone Happy Holidays!!!
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Hey Fancy,
Good to see you back. I was wondering about you too. Hope you had a nice Holiday.
Are you herxing at all?
Talk Soon,
Gael
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So what about me getting my hand on the e-booK? Is that possible?
Hi Gael, hows your rash? Do you think it may be the Mountain Rocky? I hope not. Unless the salt is getting rid of it. How are you today?
I'm doing good. I just started getting body aches after my second dose of salt today. I don't usually take dose until at nite.
I have been concerned about my blood pressure. It was up a little higher than I would like it to be on an average.
So I started walking 20 min at least 3to 4 times a week. Taking potassium supplement and eating as much potassium rich foods as possible and got it down to 96/72.
I'm pretty happy about that.
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96/72...OMG would I be surprised if I ever saw that reading. Amazing. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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Fancy, I sent you a pm
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Well Seek, Ya never know. Maybe a little salt eh? I saw what you posted about your chiro. I am confused.
First she said to take 1/2 to 1 tsp salt and it would lower your pressure. Then you went back and she said it's only good for people with low b/p.
And then she said it's no miracle cure. I would love to show her the parasites that have come out of me.
You should show her the www.lymephotos.com and see what she thinks. To me getting those things out is a miracle.
Not trying to be combative at all. Just trying to understand. Anyway, have you been successful with any protocol you have come across?
I hope so. For me I don't care if bird seed from timbucktoo works as long as it does. BTW wheres my $35?
Gael
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Yes, I was surprised too. I haven't seen it that low in years. I did some looking on the internet after my brother-in-law who is a register nurse told me to make sure I was eating enough potassium rich foods.
I went online and found that Potassium has been known to lower blood pressure. But like anything else you can't take too much of it.
So I don't know if which one is doing it the exercise or the potassuim. Mabe both together, But it's really helping.
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Okay in my 2nd week of salt & Stuff, Here's my list: Himalayan Miracle Salt - 2 in the AM & 1 at night (increases each week) Apple Polyphenols 500 mg 2 in the AM & 1 at PM (also increases each week) Supplements = Cal-Mag 1000 mg 1/day Potassium = 10 MEQ 1/day Multivitamin 1/day Levothroid 125 1/day
So here's my question: I'm in a bad way emotionally. Actually tried to take something last night. Don't know why I did it, I just did. This isn't likeme to be so severely depressed. Is it this protocol and is this really just a herx? I'm hoping so that might help me make it through the next few weeks. Plus the pain is there daily - really it actually seems worse, if that was even possible.
What do all of you think? Can this protocol mess with your head?
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I was wondering what on earth happened to Gael? All this talk about Salt/C and she just disappeared. Strange. is she OK?
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