ping
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6974
posted
For anyone interested in starting this therapy, I'd like to make a few clarifications.
First, I've never said PSP didn't work. What I've said is the people I've communicated with, as well as myself, who have finished the therapy AND also done the retest and finished those rounds (if any), are feeling ill at present. The term 'ill' is rather all inclusive, but they all include fatigue; described in ways from chronic to crushing fatigue. There are a variety of other sx's reported that come and go. Speaking for myself again, I can tell you that the fatigue I feel is chronic, with bouts of exhaustion and shortness of breath.
Second point: The fatigue and illnesses only came on well after early rounds; rounds 9-12 (and a few later) seems to be a sort of tipping point. Although nobody can claim absolute evidence, virtually all of us feel as if the toxins, etc. took many months to start moving (as was posted previously by others) and the consensus is that between rounds 9-12, it starts to become a serious influence. It appears that quite a few of us haven't moved through the point of severe fatigue/illness to the stage where all has cleared out and we don't know when that stage will be reached. This does not mean that the light at the end of the tunnel won't appear, just that only a few on this thread say they've reached that clearing point. Please keep in mind that virtually all of us felt & reported improvements (incl. foods, etc.), even reported feeling great during and through the first 8 or 9 rounds, so those of you working on round 5 or 6, you're not there yet.
All of us who are still suffering the effects of PSP wish we had taken this therapy much, much slower, as it might have avoided the 'log jam' of toxins trying to rush out of our bodies. Binders don't seem to be helping us at present and quite a few of us wish we hadn't wasted our money on these. (Had a big discussion on this one...) Knowing what I know now, I would have waited at least 2 months between rounds, even though it took longer to finish this treatment.
I wish many of you had waited until the vast majority of us 'firsters' had completely finished treatment and were at least done about 6 months before starting this treatment yourselves, but, que sera.
Best wishes to everyone!
-------------------- ping "We are more than containers for Lyme" Posts: 1302 | From Back in TX again | Registered: Mar 2005
| IP: Logged |
quote: Whoever posted this nonsense about what should be first needs to get better information.
Well thank you. That's the answer I was looking for.
I suspected that's the case because I've heard from a number of people that the metals cause the terrain problems and the leaky gut.
It appears that the statement that one "musn't try to get rid of heavy metals before healing the leaky gut" originated from the dentist Huggins, who by many credible accounts, appears to have lost his mind in his old age.
-------------------- -chaps �Listen to the bell, Borrelia. It tolls for thee!� Posts: 631 | From A little place called, "we'll see." | Registered: Apr 2010
| IP: Logged |
ping
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6974
posted
This was my post to 'chaps' on another thread -
chaps, I'll do the best I can to answer, from my perspective:
"For instance, if a person reached a particular degree of illness, is it better for them to battle certain pathogenic components of the illness rather than stirring up toxins that can compromise them and cause the illness to progress even further?"
I was in remission and off abx tx for a few years. Not saying I didn't have Lyme, but it appeared to be inactive. If it were my choice (again), I'd battle the Lyme first and get it under control before doing anything else.
"Is the severe fatigue/illness that Ping describes from detoxing action, is it from a progressed state of disease caused by AI mobilizing toxins that were previously "sleeping dogs?"
Probably 'yes' to both parts of this question. Ex. I now have a hefty mycoplasma infection that I never tested positive for in the many years (5) I was treated for TBD's. Don't think I'll ever know for sure if the infection is new, or present all the while.
"I'd hate to think that someone who is at a recoverable state of illness might with AI, put themselves at an unrecoverable state, when they might have gotten better by fighting the disease first, then getting rid of the toxins later--or at least by taking detox in a slower, more controlled manner."
This is the chance that we took and as I said, if I had it to do all over again, I do it much, much slower. I was well into remission when I began PSP.
"I've heard NDs talk about "going very slowly" with heavy metal detox, not trying to take out too much at once to minimize risk to detoxing organs."
Good advice.
"Taking a 2-mo. break in between rounds--so someone's case can go on for 4 or more years? Will they even let your case proceed for that long without charging the fees more than once?"
Well, why not? This is a good question to ask AI (about the length of time, etc.).
'It seems unsettling/disconcerting that the folks at AI are dispensing this therapy to people without testing for their current state of disease or degree of toxicity. It seems that they take a "one-size-fits-all" approach to it. And as Morty Seinfeld would say, "I don't like the sound of that!" '
AI does test you! You get an initial test result and a result every time you turn in a swab sample to them and they send you the next round of drops. Energy testing on a daily basis is up to each individual and is not a request of AI.
I reinterate that I don't think PSP is a tx for Lyme, even if others claim that it might be, or has benefits. I took PSP to rid myself of various allergies and other things that go along with allergic reactions, etc. If you're looking to AI for Lyme treatment - DON'T! I've not seen one shred of proof that it does anything for Lyme, regardless of what AI or others say. This is why I said I wished others had waited until after the group of us that went first had finished and been done for a while. Nobody really knows how long it will be until we feel better or what will happen along the way. It wouldn't hurt anyone to keep treating their infections conventionally, while waiting to see how we all turn out.
Good luck, chaps, with whatever you decide.
-------------------- ping "We are more than containers for Lyme" Posts: 1302 | From Back in TX again | Registered: Mar 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Could someone please give me the correct address to send away samples.
I sent the last batch to their new address and HG said he never got them. On their website is their old address, so where is everybody sending to?
Thanks!
-------------------- When we are no longer able to change a situation---we are challenged to change ourselves. (Viktor Frankl- Holocaust survivor) Posts: 460 | From Maine | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
This is their new address since earlier in the year:
Allergie Immun Kurweg 20 D-67316 Carlsberg
Phone (if dialed from US): 01149-6356-60 86 938
Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
-------------------- When we are no longer able to change a situation---we are challenged to change ourselves. (Viktor Frankl- Holocaust survivor) Posts: 460 | From Maine | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged |
runner21
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 1974
posted
Gigi,
Does AI deal with autoimmune? I just got a test saying i am reacting to my m2 mitochondria.
Appparently there are two types in the body and this one is associated with the liver that i tested for. i wont be able to talk to the doc untill monday.
i have never ever shown auto immune, so im a bit scared. i am sending my saliva in again..for i hope they deal with that.
thanks, runner
Posts: 1118 | From jacksonville,fl usa/santa rosa ca | Registered: Dec 2001
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
Runner, answering you privately.
Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
posted
Has anyone had trouble having HG return emails? We sent in our samples way back in April and I know he received them as we eventually (Mid-May) received a letter stating that my daughter they felt didn't need anymore drops (even though I think she does because she still has eczema).
I have emailed 2 times and sent money via PayPal, like always, for shipping.
It is frustrating me and making me not believe in this anymore!
I used a translator, etc. when writing the email as well, like always, so it was in German.
Advice????? Thanks
Posts: 78 | From Washington State | Registered: Dec 2009
| IP: Logged |
pamoisondelune
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 11846
posted
Here's a post for you from Selma. She would like your input. It sounds as if she has had some serious problems. --------------------- QUOT QUOTE QUOTE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Selma To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 4:27:58 AM Subject: [bionic880-PE1] Chelation with PE1 and thougths about Allergie Immun
As will all chelation methods, each method reach points that others don't. At least, that is how I feel.
The PE1 is no different. I keep trying new chelation methods everytime I can, some I react a lot, some less, but I feel most are beneficial if you know how to drag the toxins out of the body (with whatever binders you have).
I do feel the infrared reaches areas that only ingestion of substances don't. That is why I could still chelate with the PE1 even years after being on different chelators and binders. There was still heavy metals flushing out, even after so many years...
That could be the downside though for very toxic people. IF you kill too much plus chelate at the same time, it could be hell on earth.
But if you had don't chelation before for at least 6 months or 12 months, I guess it's okay to start with the massive killing that the nosodes and infrared do.
As for the Allergie Immun drops, they also cause 'chelation' and I wonder what would be the interaction when we use Dr. W's protocol altogether...
It could be also overwhelming?
My husband is on AI for some time, but had the WORST allergic reaction now. He doesn't really take binders. While I feel the number of allergies he got diminished, I do feel that lack of binders could cause some trouble, as he could redistribute these toxins...
He didn't go into anaphylatic shock, but had I not treated him with autonosodes from his saliva and the food that caused such allergic 'shock', I wonder....
His neck was doubled, his eyelid close, his mouth got so big his upper lips were almost touching his nose, his breathing started to be compromised etc...
My daughter is also on AI, but she complains of burning mouth with certain foods. Her insect bite allergy is MUCH better though.
Anyway, just some thoughts. Has anyone here been on AI too to share some thoughts??
posted
Pleasea tell Selma I think AI and the infrared therapy may be too overwhelming. I did both with AI before the bionic treatments and then inbewteen and continued AI after the bionic treatments. Cannot stop releasing metals even though I am good about detoxing and using binders.
For me, getting rid of the rest of the parasites may be the key, but I cannot do a massive kill of the parasites as my body is too tired from AI to handle it all at once. Slow and steady.
Personally, my friends who have gotten rid of borrelia--be it antibiotics or infrared treament and did not do AI are much healthier than me.
Hiker53
-------------------- Hiker53
"God is light. In Him there is no darkness." 1John 1:5 Posts: 10170 | From Illinois | Registered: Aug 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
How do I get HG to respond? Tried emailing him three or four times (he used to respond all of the time)....now he hasn't in 3-4 months.
I feel really ripped off :-( Everyone that I know kept wondering if it was a scam and I kept saying "no, these people on the message board have had life changing events in regards to health issues i.e. no more food allergies etc."
Now when we are ready to keep going no one sends me any drops, doesn't reply to emails etc and I don't feel that I should have to beg for something that I paid for nor feel that I should have to call Germany.
We paid the postage, sent in our samples and emailed 3 times politely asking where they are. I know for a fact he received them because he sent a letter stating that they felt my daughter was cleared, but nothing about the rest of us in our family.
No one has responded so it must just be me that is having trouble.
Posts: 78 | From Washington State | Registered: Dec 2009
| IP: Logged |
seekhelp
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 15067
posted
Well, 2.5 years now since the original post on this thread. Who is cured, better, or in remission after all this? I always wonder. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
| IP: Logged |
seekhelp
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 15067
posted
Well, 2.5 years now since the original post on this thread. Who is cured, better, or in remission after all this? I always wonder. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
| IP: Logged |
ukcarry
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 18147
posted
Gettinhealthy, sorry to hear that you have had these problems getting a reply from AI; I agree with you that you shouldn't have to ring and that you have allowed a lot of time for a reply.
I have never had problems getting the drops and never waited long, but have left a really long gap during a recent very bad spell, so, who knows, I may encounter difficulties too when I send the latest sample this week.
MichaelTampa
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 24868
posted
Seekhelp--I am much better. I know the AI helped a lot, but I have also done several other things that have also helped a lot. I am not all better yet, and keep working at it.
Gettinhealthy--sorry you are having difficulties, I have not had that difficulty with them. I just finished with a break from AI for a few months, just sent in for the next round a week ago. So, I also have not had recent experience. They moved at some point over the last few months. Could that be part of the issue? Do you have their new address?
Posts: 1927 | From se usa | Registered: Mar 2010
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
AI is not a scam and they are decent and honest people helping thousands for many years all over the world.
Do not use the translating engines - they do not work. Gettinhealthy, you have my phone number. Be sure you have address, separation of family members/names/sample/ etc. correct. They are not mind readers. Send your stuff separated, clearly, on separate sheets of paper, with name, age, sex on each sheet and sample attached to that/each sheet, for each family member.
Understand that if you do a hundred other treatments on the side, testing by AI is not as easy as it would be if you don't.
Some people have to wait a couple three months for AI to find more errors. The body does not disclose errors like clockwork. Often it takes one system to fall into place for others to reveal themselves. I don't know how they do it, but that is my sense. It is the same in most other energetic testing systems.
Please don't destroy this thread with comments like this "Everyone that I know kept wondering if it was a scam and I kept saying "no, these people on the message board have had life changing events in regards to health issues i.e. no more food allergies etc."
It is not helpful and very destructive.
Feel free to call me if you want help. I will make the time to call them, but need correct details, names, etc.
Take care.
Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
Seek, AI does not promise to cure disease. It does not diagnose disease. It simply tries to reset t "information" system so that the autonomic nervous system responds as it should have been doing all life. When the "computer" is corrected, eventually the body will absorb, heal, and detox as it should have been doing all along. For some it may be a bit late when aging gets into the way, and some simply do not change their way of life and it would take a miracle. I am hoping for good results for all who try.
Take care.
Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
posted
I am not trying to destroy the thread - I read the entire thing when I started. Honestly, I'm trying to find out if anyone else had these sort of issues and if so what they did? Couldn't think of much else to do. I always send very clear names/PSP #'s etc. using a sharpie and separate ziplocs etc. labels on all. Then in each of my emails I put in the subject line the names of our family members and our PSP #'s - if they don't look us up by name then my thought was they could look up our PSP #'s very easily. I am just sad because I have tried so hard to have hope and support this sort of therapy even though so many people are skeptical when thinking of shelling out the initial cost and kept telling them "let me try this first and then do it" and finally even talked my husband into doing it. I would really like to finish something that we started and feel like we are wasting time waiting :-(
Anyway, I'm glad to see I'm the only one with problems and that everyone is getting through this!
Gigi - I will try to email them one more time (do they have a different email address too?) - I know I had the right physical address because they sent me back a letter via mail about my daughter so they must have received our samples way back at the end of March/Beginning of April.
If I still dont' get a reply I will call you!
PS We are doing nothing else right now so AI would be perfect.
Posts: 78 | From Washington State | Registered: Dec 2009
| IP: Logged |
posted
Gigi - I want to truly thank you for being so nice and generous in offering to call them on our behalf! I know how busy you are....I will keep you posted :-) Wish me luck!
Posts: 78 | From Washington State | Registered: Dec 2009
| IP: Logged |
posted
Hi All - I'm finally decided to post my AI experience. Sorry its taken this long - I just have alot to write and I wanted to make sure I got it all down.
First...My teenage son was diagnosed with Lyme, RMSF, MPn, etc...fatigue, depression,allergies, couldn't concentrate in school - you get the idea.
He was on antibiotics for over a year. He said he didn't feel better. He started the AI drops and completed the therapy in 9 rounds.
How does he feel now? GREAT! His CDC is normal CD - 57 is normal. He has no allergies. Besides the AI therapy, he also took chlorella ( not religiously), and liquid vitamins and minerals.
As for myself - I had been chronically sick with Lyme and co-infections, candida, EBS for over ten years - mainly neurological and GI symptoms - fatigue,anxiety, brain fog, bloatedness, sinus problems and numerous allergies...
I was on IV and oral antibiotics. My co-infections finally tested negative but I still didn't feel well, - especially my GI tract and still had the Lyme.
I went on the drops over a year ago. I'm on round 11. How do I feel?
Absolutely Healthy! Have tons of energy! I don't feel chronic. I feel well. I have no environmental allergies!
But I needed more than the drops - my son's immune system and psyche wasn't as battered up as mine.
So I found a doctor - a colleague of Dr K's, who helped me to believe I would get well and treated me with complimentary therapies to the AI drops.
Dr G. (like Dr.K) is a believer in neural therapy. I have had injections of Procaine on scars, dysfunctional organs and emotional therapy.
Procaine - is very safe, BTW. It's basically novacaine that actually converts to B vitamins in the body.
I was on my second round of the drops and after a few days the injections, I completely crashed. I was in bed for 3 days, completely exhausted.
Neural therapy unblocks the autonomic nervous system which controls organ function.
I did recover and slowly I improved month by month.
Sometimes, along with the Procaine, I would be injected with DMPS and ozone.
I also am taking an intestinal detox - IMD - (for heavy metals, etc..) It is safe and it works!
My liver needs alot of support. So I have been taking periodic Saluna drops for the liver and lymph. (These drops tested well with the AI drops).
I'm also doing ..are you ready...coffee enemas! Coffee enemas cleans the blood and clear the liver of toxins.
It also stimulates glutathione production.I also take lipotropic complex for liver support.
My diet is mostly alkaline. Almost every morning, I drink a green smoothie - organic vegetables, fruit and water that you blend in a blender.
Last March, DR. G tested me and could not find any Lyme.
I also now believe in the power of positive thinking. I'm learning how to deal with negative thoughts and feelings and not letting them harm me. (This is PM material if anyone wants to know).
All I know is that this is what has worked for me. And I believe in the AI therapy.
There's more - but I'll save it for next time!
Peace
Posts: 163 | From New Jersey | Registered: Oct 2009
| IP: Logged |
MichaelTampa
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 24868
posted
Great to hear of your successes!
Could you explain what "neural therapy" is, what it involves, why it might help? (I don't know what it is at all, don't even know if it's the same as injections you are talking about, which I also do not understand.)
Posts: 1927 | From se usa | Registered: Mar 2010
| IP: Logged |
Tammy N.
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 26835
posted
Michael - I remember you were curious about neural therapy on a previous thread, sorry I forgot to reply.
It's where injections are given at scar sites under the skin (usually using procaine and/or DMPS). There is a long-held belief that scars cause interferences and obstructions to our energy flow. These sites can harbor toxic metals, etc. And the injecting of these sites clears these blockages and restores circulation, etc.
I don't think I'm explaining it well. But I have some good articles. Rather than typing them all out (way too much info), if you'd like, PM me your mailing address and I will mail them to you. I think it is a very valuable therapy.
It was Dr. K who brought this long-appreciated German therapy to the United States. He has developed his own protocols using neural therapy and teaches it internationally.
Posts: 2238 | From East Coast | Registered: Jul 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
Thanks, Tammy - for your accurate explanation of neural therapy. I think the reason why this is compatible with the AI is because the injections clear blockages.
As a result, this allows the AI to be more effective and expedient.
When emotional blockages were cleared - I felt this huge release just lifting from my body.
Holistic therapy involves emotions. Emotions can play a big part in organ function or dysfunction.
Here's an example: Let's say my kidneys were blocked. My dr. determined that the problem was emotional.
Maybe it would be a fear. I would talk about a fear - usually the first thing that came to my mind.
One fear I had was that I was afraid that I would always have chronic health problems. That I would be a burden to my spouse and family.
As I said this, my doctor would give me shallow injections around my kidneys.
When he was finished, I would close my eyes and he would give me positive mantras to repeat out loud and to myself.
Initially, I would feel drained but within a few hours, I actually felt like I released this enormous weight.
And, I never felt that way again. The negative emotion was let go and from that day on, I felt like I would get better and I would be well.
I have also had emotional therapy without using injections. I feel that this is an important part of recovery for me.
Identifying negative emotions, unblocking them from your sub-conscious into your conscious, and releasing them.
Posts: 163 | From New Jersey | Registered: Oct 2009
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
It is nice to read some pleasant comments on this thread. This comes to mind:
The Klinghardt Axiom is as follows: "the body strives to achieve equilibrium between stored unresolved emotional issues, toxin storage and the presence of pathogenic microbes."
The reverse axiom is as follows: "a patient cannot be "detoxed" beyond the degree to which also emotional issues are released."
Take care.
Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
Thanks GiGi - for that fascinating clip! This was the first time that I've heard about this light therapy.
It sounds like it does the same job as the needles - but non-invasive. This is a big plus!
In the clip, Dr. R talks of this women who recovered from high blood pressure that was literally killing her. She fully recovered after participating in family constellation therapy.
I don't know if anyone is familiar with constellation therapy but it is truly mind-opening beyond words.
I won't go into a lengthy explanation but it proves without a doubt that we are energy beings and that we are all connected.
This may be another therapy that compliments the AI therapy. It all involves frequencies. Yes, your thoughts, your emotions, all emit frequencies.
And so do the drops.
Peace
Posts: 163 | From New Jersey | Registered: Oct 2009
| IP: Logged |
tick battler
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 21113
posted
Hi all,
I cut the top of the bottle so the drops will come out but do you find that you need to squeeze the bottle to get them out or should they just drop out when you tip it upside down?
I have to squeeze and the drops are really small. I just want to make sure that I am giving enough.
Thanks, tickbattler
Posts: 1763 | From Malvern, PA | Registered: Jul 2009
| IP: Logged |
posted
I cut about an eighth of an inch from the top of the bottle. with a slight squeeze, the drops should fall into your mouth.
As you're taking the drops, give yourself a little mental boost - Say.. thank you for making me well, thank you for making me healthy and SMILE!!!!
Oh...and you must believe, really believe that the drops will help to make you well and healthy.
Peace
Posts: 163 | From New Jersey | Registered: Oct 2009
| IP: Logged |
ukcarry
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 18147
posted
Tick battler, I find it's somewhere between the 2! As Healerdealer says, I cut a small amount away from the top of the bottle, but I choose to let the drops go onto the back of my hand and then lick them from there.
posted
I got my letter that I'm done a couple of months ago. Since then I've been getting progressively worse. I'm having reactions to chemicals that are worse than I've ever had before. We did some renos in our house - and the plywood is making me react severely. I can't be in my house, or anyone else's at this point. I'm staying in a tiny little 8 by 16 foot cabin on my property, but now I'm reacting to that. I'm not getting enough oxygen. I'm in a full on crisis, and I don't know what to do.
I'm ordering an oxygen machine, and am seeing an alt medicine practiioner who specializes in brain issues. I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this and has any advise? I don't know if anyone is even reading this anymore, it's been so long since anyone posted........
Posts: 85 | From British Columbia, Canada | Registered: Apr 2010
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
Skiesmama, my husband also got the final letter from AI and in the same week got the WORST allergic reaction from his life. I thought he was going to get an anaphylatic shock, so big his lips and face got after eating a cake.
Swollen face and lips, feverish, shivering from cold and hot at the same time, difficulty to think, to stand up, breathing deeply, he just fell on the sofa and fortunately, I know how to prepare the antidotes in homeopathy.
I stayed up until 3AM and saw his allergic reaction stopped growing.
I do think it could be because AI works that it happened.
I'll explain: I do think he's pouring toxins but that he doesn't take enough binders to pull these toxins out.
I think the reaction of one bottle lasts months, not weeks, and when he takes the next bottle, he still continues pouring things from the last bottle, plus the new one.
So, in the meantime, I suppose he gets more susceptible to get more allergic reactions (when the body is full of toxins, that is what happens, right?). And he overreacts.
But I still haven't got the end of his story. He' s giving AI a pause, we'll try to contact them again and re-start, but he's got afraid, I think.
My daughter is somewhat better, as she accepts binders I give her, more than her father! But she's still the allergic type girl, still reacting to NEW foods, or old artificial materials etc.
She's still NOT done with AI though. The only thing I feel she's better is mosquito bites. They still get big, but after one day, they get small. Before, they would grow bigger, every day, for about 10 days or even more.
Ping, another guy who tried AI also said, he had been detoxing too strong too long after AI. If he knew that, he would have done AI MUCH more slowly than what he did.
We haven't seen the end of the treatment for my daughter yet, so I can't take conclusions. Let's see for my husband, how it will go next.
I suppose it does work to pull toxins out, but weather this will be a solution for his allergies, I don't know. We have to wait longer, as I do think AI can work for so long after a bottle is finished...
My husband is still reacting to a HOST of foods he never reacted. My daughter too, even pinepple now, that she loved.
I don't know if this is like cleaning the layers of allergies (like peeling the onion sequence), or just that as she accumulates toxins that are pulled out from cells but not all are excreted, if this increases her allergies...
I guess, right binders could help?
I hoped we had the answers...
Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
posted
THanks - It's so hard to find answers, since most people haven't ever heard of AI. I'm seeing a practitioner now who thinks (will confirm with extensive blood work) that I am having issues with the blood brain barrier, and also autoimmune with my brain. She thought that perhaps all the detox is becoming an issue because of the blood brain barrier breach. I'm going to have daily shots of glutathione, and am buying an oxygen machine tho. I'm definitely not getting enough oxygen with exposure and feel like I'm suffocating. I do take chlorella every day pretty much.
Posts: 85 | From British Columbia, Canada | Registered: Apr 2010
| IP: Logged |
seekhelp
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 15067
posted
Doesn't sound like this was the miracle all hoped for. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
I just want to note that my husband nor my daughter suffer from lyme. Their MAIN problem now is allergy. They are both allergic types of people, since birth.
And they are ONLY doing AI as treatment, nothing else. Very rarely I introduced some of the KPU supplements ONLY to my daughter.
I wonder how AI would be for people with ACTIVE lyme, who ALREADY have to deal with so many die off toxins... If they really shouldn't do this VERY VERY slow.
Just my thoughts...
Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
Seek, quite to the contrary. It works for many people, but you need to go through detox and support of same afterwards (and during). AI corrects the dysregulation to turn the immune system, but it cannot automatically dispose of years of accumulations of toxins over the years. It takes months and years to do that. You don't seem to understand the AI as a therapy, and I have long given up trying to explain it to you.
When Skiesmama talks about not getting enough oxygen, I would suggest looking into CCSVI. The biofilm/fibrin deposits is a huge handicap and hinders the necessary blood supply. If you google CCSVI, you will find a lot of information.
There are many facets to this disease and I think most of us have found this out over time.
If anyone has not paid attention to KPU and suffers from that, AI cannot undo that since correcting the mineral deficiencies can take a long, long time unless you actively work it.
Most likely our blood brain barrier is damaged long before Lyme - toxic metals! Detoxing support is necessary and that for many needs help of someone who understands how. KPU can be a big factor in that. Glad you are getting help, Skiesmama. The only agent that crosses the bbb for mobilizing metals in the brain is cilantro tincture. Your gut has to be fairly clear of metals before you use cilantro. Cilantro can be applied to the skin and works very well. Drops only -
Lack of oxygen? Have you treated Babesia? It can cause a miserable shortness of breath.
Chlorella does not treat intracellular metal deposits. It works only in the extracellular spaces and is a great binder if taken twenty minutes before meals. I have posted a lot about that. It has to be in the small intestine before you start your meal. Then it can bind to the metals. Also at bedtime. But the metal detox needs other support = microsilica works great. When doing AI, the metal detox is one of the most important items. And if you have not treated parasites, all bets are off, because they hold on to many of the toxic metals, and most people have parasites whether we like it or not - even some of the good ones.
Please read my post about the Babuschka Principle: Parasites hold metals, metals are followed by fungi, then bacteria, then viruses. That is the order in which to pay particular attention. None of that is changed by doing AI, except that the immune system is able to respond again after the major dysregulations have been cleared.
As new chemicals are appearing in our world steadily, any new chemical used in growing fruits or used otherwise can cause new problems. Some people redo AI within a few years because of that factor. New exposures the body has never experienced in certain forms.
Got to get to bed now - don't give up - this is a constant learning adventure!
Take care.
Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
posted
I don't have lyme. AI did help the rest of my family - we are still finishing up for 3 of my kids. My husband's hair is starting to grow back where he was balding. My kids sleep issues are much better. Lots of improvements. Just not for me - I was improving, but then just took a nose-dive.
I only have issues with exposure. If I'm outside all day, I have little or no symptoms and feel pretty much the same as normal - not as high energy as most, but decent overall.
I will resubmit a sample too in a month or so.
I take the chlorella at bedtime.
Will look into microsilica and CCSVI - thanks.
IT feels a bit like managing all this is a full time job - and i've got 5 kids and life to deal with, so I don't always devote as much attention as it feels like is needed. I do a lot tho, so it's frustrating when it's still not enough.
Posts: 85 | From British Columbia, Canada | Registered: Apr 2010
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
Skiesmama, yes, it is a fulltime job. It is so nice to hear the positives from you and your family.
AI is accomplishing nothing more than setting the switches in the right direction for the train to find its way back after getting lost. I have said this same thing on this thread some 3000 posts ago. Chances of fully recouperating with many dysregulations are slim. And as the Grundmeyers have told me many times, many of us carry a much more toxic burden than people in Germany. Dr. K. blames a lot of this on our building construction (cardboard boxes wrapped in plastic) and the heavy electromagnetic exposure everywhere.
Picture this - I heard it recently on a German television station: Family of four and Grandpa sitting at their food laden camping table near a lake and beautiful mountain range behind them - mother and father and kids looking down absorbed in pushing buttons and shoving screens on their tiny electronic "toys", conversations on their cells, except grandpa - he enjoyed the food and watched the scenery.
I often wonder whether the cell phone actually grows out of the person's ear that just walked by me.........
Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
posted
Dr. K is speaking to patients live on next Monday night at 5pm PT and 8 pm ESt. Lyme Hope is interviewing him at his academy. call in number 712-432-0900 access code: 964406 Hope he speaks about AI.
Posts: 9 | From East Coast | Registered: Sep 2011
| IP: Logged |
posted
My oldest had a really rough time with the last round of drops. Body aches everywhere, fatigue, lack of stamina, just wanted to sleep all day.
We all are a little more tired on the rounds, but her reaction has always been more severe. We slowed waaaay down on the number of drops and the frequency, and she was OK after a few days. The amount of drops has to be a lot less for her from now on, even with extra detox.
Her body is apparently just not ready for all the changes.
-------------------- When we are no longer able to change a situation---we are challenged to change ourselves. (Viktor Frankl- Holocaust survivor) Posts: 460 | From Maine | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
Are the allergies really diminishing with AI for everyone?
I am really wondering what are people's experiences with allergies. We no longer have lyme, my husband never got lyme, but he is still an allergic type of person...
That is the main reason we started with AI, for allergies.
Things so far didn't change much for him (I think his mood has improved since AI) but allergies not, and as for my daughter, she has grown more since AI, and is accepting more foods than before. I guess some food allergies maybe got better because she accepts eating better. But she remains allergic, and reacting with allergies...
The KPU, we do on and off (only daughter).
any other opinions concerning specifically ALLERGIES??
Thanks!!
Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
NanaDubo
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14794
posted
Brussels - I have had a severe allergy to poison ivy my whole life.
Got it once while on the drops and it acted like no ordinary poison ivy - move like a chemical burn.
My feeling is that every toxic thing I ever put on p i blisters (and that was plenty) came out during the bout with it.
Six months later I got into again and had one tiny streak of it on an ankle that was gone the next day.
This summer I have pulled it out by the roots (wearing gloves). I could not have done that in the past without breaking out with it everywhere - regardless of the gloves.
I have no food sensitivities that I had in the past.
Posts: 1129 | From Maine | Registered: Feb 2008
| IP: Logged |
sixgoofykids
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 11141
posted
I started taking it because of my very severe shellfish allergies. After three rounds, I had hives for two weeks and a swollen neck for a day after someone contaminated my food by touch. So it apparently has not helped my allergy.
Right now I am testing poorly for it so I haven't ordered round four. When I test better for it (when/if), I will send away for it. I don't thik it's a good idea to take it when my body is saying no.
-------------------- sixgoofykids.blogspot.com Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
sixgoofykids
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 11141
posted
And I'm still allergic to hay ....
-------------------- sixgoofykids.blogspot.com Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
posted
You're only 3 rounds in tho - it's a lot too early to expect that kind of dramatic change.... It's a long long process - and certainly not the only part of the process. I see it as laying the ground work for work to come. We didn't get to this place with our health overnight - it's gonna take a good long while and a lot of work to get the health we're all hoping for.
Not that I'm loving the process - it's so bloody long, but I know that in our family there have been many improvements - I'm just the one with the worst health issues, so I'm going to take a lot longer.
Posts: 85 | From British Columbia, Canada | Registered: Apr 2010
| IP: Logged |
Brussels
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13480
posted
Nana, thanks for your input. Same with daughter's mosquito bites! They still get big after bite, but they go smaller next day.
Before, it was a nightmare, getting bigger every day for weeks and weeks! But her allergies on foods are still around, and still shifting or newly appearing...
My husband is about one year in AI, but he did it slow. His allergies are still there and bad. He doesn't have lyme, never had, never got a tick bite in his life. He is though born 'allergic' so he's got more than 40 years to heal.
But his sun allergy got better. He still though got NEW allergies, and it is clear, his body is still 'creating' new allergies ...
I am trying to have hopes, though, that it is part of the cleaning process.
Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
Up for those suffering from dysregulations of the autonomic nervous system - i.e. half body cold, other half warm; all of a sudden you can't eat certain foods any longer; you can't stand walking through the soap isle in the grocery store] Downy smell makes you sick; can't eat breads, can't tolerate anything but rice and chicken --- leaky gut, and a lot more
Take a look at this. It worked for us big time. Our son no longer snores or suffers from stuffy chest to nose every year -- this methylation pathway problem that was supposed to be an inherited problem ....gone
My husband now mobilizes toxic metals beautifully, except they get stuck because of CCSVI buildup which hampers the perfusion to the brain and body - so that now needs fixing also......
Yes, it will end sometime. This therapy is an easy one - 15 drops informed water a day - the price is one price, whether it takes 6 months, a year, or two years.
Take care.
Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259
posted
Truesun, here is for some reading. You can e-mail me anytime and we can talk by phone if you have questions. Remember many allergies are caused by some of the 200,000 that are in our environment now and it takes time to clear these. This is usually not done in the first 3 bottles. Be sure and write if you have questions.
AI does not recommend being on the very meds that are adding to all the allergies we are experiencing - so use good judgement for your son.
Be sure to learn about binders, because once you start clearing some of the allergies, you will need to pay attention to that. Again, write or call or post here. Many people have done very well with it.
posted
The Allergie-Immun drops make me feel like I'm taking some sort of speed. I'm all hyped up and not in a good way. My brain is racing. I can't possible take the 5 drops three times a day. Also having some intense pain in my back since starting.
Does anyone know what is exactly in this stuff? I hate to quit when I've read so many positives. It seems like very strong medicine for just some drops. I am doing just two drops a day currently.
-------------------- Misdiagnosed for many years. Treated for many things besides the real issue. Lyme diagnosed April 2008. Parasites diagnosed recently. Past to both my sons. Trying to remain hopeful and thankful. Posts: 144 | From Ohio Valley | Registered: Mar 2009
| IP: Logged |
The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:
The
Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey 907 Pebble Creek Court,
Pennington,
NJ08534USA http://www.lymenet.org/
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic