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Just giving a one week update on my husband's status. After major increase in symptoms, lasting over 3 days, he is just today experiencing very slight improvements. This is significant for him, since it hasn't happened in years.
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Clancy, good news!
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wooopppiiie ! Clancy, I don't know how to spell it, but here it goes again: WOOOPPPPIIIII ....
(told you so -- I love that one too when it is a positive!)
Take care.
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Glad to hear it Clancy - he deserves it!!!!
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Thanks lp, GG, and ND for the encouragement!! We're taking one day at a time and will keep you posted.
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Clancy, what symptoms have been improving for him?
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lp= such great news about your daughter! the chlorine is obviously not bothering her. it is such a great feeling to see our children's suffering lessen.
my son is starting then next week. he has many severe digestive issues.
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ali...keep us posted of how you and your son are progressing when he starts.
although my daughter is doing well, I do think she will do even better the day she is out of chlorine forever! She is not choosing that option right now!
As my daughter is progressing, I get lots of PM's from parents who have put their children on the AI, or are interested in starting it...and any input, especially with young people is appreciated by all!
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lp, So far he's having slight improvement in his fine motor (hands work a little better), and some improvement in his gross motor. All of this is very small but encouraging for us.
He has yet to experience pain relief in his leg, but claims his joint pain is better.
Glad you and your daughter are seeing improvements, as well.
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So glad Clancy...thanks for the details!
I just think its phenomenal when those of us with the more serious issues have improvements! Those are the success stories I love to follow!
Blessngs, lp
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Aliyah...what are you doing besides Core with the AI? And what is he upping your dose of Core to?
..just interested in how different each of our individual needs are...it helps to compare!
And of course we will support what Dr. K has you doing...we are all different with this!
blessings... lp
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I received bottle #9 on March 2nd -12 chemicals this time. My sample was mailed Feb 18th so turnaround was quick this time, less than 2 weeks!
I am doing a bit better than I was before. I think I was having a bad reaction to my sleeping pills.
Thank you, NanaD and GiGi for your helpful advice.
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Glad you are doing better Zombie. I got my drops very quickly this time too!
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So nice to hear, Zombie.
We are doing well.
I hope we can keep this thread peaceful and informative.
What Dr. K. does or anyone else does should be of no concern. Because there is simply no way to compare anything. Some people have a fraction of dysregulations compared to others. Some have no metal problem and some have no food problem. Some have no emotional unresolved conflicts, no inherited miasms, no conflicts from great grandfather. Some have only a few in one category. So comparing is useless. Everything hinges on the load that each one of us carries or carried.
I am not at liberty to comment on anything that Dr. K. does or does not do. It is not my business. I can comment when anything I know from him contributes to the understanding of what we are trying to do. There is the Medical Privacy Act, and even though I may know some things because I know him on a personal basis, I will not refer to anything he does or says any longer.
I received my long awaited Biologo box yesterday, and I hope that some day the stuff will be available in this country. It is good.
Core - I take none, my husband takes 4 when he tests for it, which is almost daily. No crashing, no side effects. Just reactions in mobilizing toxic metals, chemicals, plastics, and working to get it out.
We support with liver and kidney remedies - whatever tests.
My favorites are Ayush Livit 2, Unda 243, Renelix, castor oil packs, cilantro drops/ tincture rubbed on kidneys, especially when metals are flowing. All when testing with tensor, or recommended by ART expert.
When into the higher bottles, I think it is necessary to start metal detox support. Both my husband and I test daily for metals -- this has been going on for many weeks/months now. It is important to know what keeps the body busy and to support that if necessary.
What happened to Runner?????
Take care.
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Glad you got them Zombie...they must send them out in groupings! Are you still on the sleeping pills?
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Gigi,
Thanks for reminding me that other people's medical issues are not for us to comment on. I have gotten excited in the past about Dr.K. and do want to give him is respectful medical privacy!
I am planning on ordering a few of the Biologo products...still reviewing the catalog to make the correct selections. They look great.
How long did it take to receive your order and did you order by paypal?
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I stopped taking them (Zoopiclone) and am feeling better for it. I just started using something called ASEA, which I also think is helping me.
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lp- i went from 2 to 3 Core caps today. next week i go to 4. with that i take the cocktail with many binders plus artemesinin and interfase, etc.
gigi it is good to know that your husband is taking 4 and not suffering. i think i need to stop expecting to have a negative reaction. So far 3 seems fine.
i tested to double my microsilica and bentonite clay.
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Thanks for sharing Aliya...IT looks like things are moving for you!
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Zombie,
Hope it helps...the sleep is so important to heal.
My daughter briefly went on Topomax last summer as suggested by Dr. B. to help and he said he sometimes has seen great result regulating sleep patterns and no side effects if used very briefly. She hadn't slept through the night for at least 4 years! Topomax does slow down the brain, and said it has the nickname "dope-omax"
I was concerned for her to do this, but she did take this for about 3 weeks when not needing to be mentally sharp... and did have her sleep regulated. I had ART tested her for this, and the response was that it was not good for her body in general, but would regulate sleep. She was already on the AI for 3 rounds I believe. And not to use for long. So she gave it a shot. Hasn't needed anything since.
Her hormones also regulated with the sleep improvement...and menses are regular after that.
Hoping your sleep improves!
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Thanks lp. I'm currently looking for a more natural substitute... I tried melatonin but it gave me panic attacks.
I will take some valerian herb tonight and see if that helps.
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LP, almost forgot to answer. We received our Biologo, It took three weeks. They do not accept American credit cards. So I make a wire transfer from my bank after they send me the confirmation of my order, price, etc. and their bank info.
The wire transfer takes about three days. It is a bit backward, but I wanted the products so badly and they are worth it. I had been using drops out of a their test kit and had a pretty good idea which of the tinctures I would be needing. I love them because it makes everything so simple. It also eliminates the binders because the binders are in the tinctures in form of micronized chlorella and a few drops go a long way, thus eliminating all the binder. They are wonderfully buffered, so overdoing is not easy.
I detox the mouth right inside my jaw, where I had suspected a lot of the metals and mercaptans/thioethers were stored. I test for the Biologo Dental every day and since, the remains come right through the tissue (teeny teeny sore spots) that helps a lot. It is amazing how my body packed the tons of metals from crowns, fillings, and root canals (the worst) away right in the facial areas. I wish I could show it to some of these idiot dentists who are still doing this kind of work today. Most breast cancers are tied to the mercaptans/thioethers from root canals. Glad I don't have to worry about that any longer.
I have a mercaptan nosode vial for tensoring and it tests constantly. My root canals were removed in 1998. HG is telling people we are digging up with AI what the body packed away to survive. Wondering how much it takes when the barrel is full and the end is near? I think Lyme gave me the signal = time to clean up.
Hope none of you had to go through this.
Be sure to read all the details in the catalog. It is very well done and most informative.
All I can say again - I am super happy that I have done AI and probably close to being done. It really opens the flood gates!, but in an easy way.
Take care.
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Zombie and all, please note the mercury and melatonin relationship. You probably need to pick up more of the metals that are now starting to mobilize.
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Gigi,
Thanks for the ordering details. Their catalog is informative as you say...and I would love all the products, just to have in my basket! But when I saw the $ on my tentative order...I had to backstep a little and just try to decide what I most need. Maybe just two for now.
I do think the dental product will be most helpful for me. I am still working with my ND on three teeth...that are "suspect" she says.
I know Dr. K, says to remove...and I am very open to that with all I have been through...but when she tested me it was not important at this time and not definitive. I have been testing regularly for this past year as I removed my last amalgam last spring.
What is your opinion of the "green lazer" therapy for the teeth...? ND tested me to do this for a month before possible removal of three of my "suspects". I still have three root canals that I have been ART testing since the beginning of AI. I am also working with a biological dentist who is following Dr. K. and works closely with my ND, but both are not positive about my particular ones needing to be removed at this time. I will evaluate again in one months time...
My situation is also complex in the mouth, as I had braces as an adult...not done cosmetically, but done because of tmj type jaw symptoms (which was probably lyme et all) and my bite being extremely off. This was done before lyme diagnosis and I did have braces during my time of escalating illness!
I had metal braces for almost 4 years! And then a retainer...metal and plastic. A mouth full of metals....braces, retainers, crowns, root canals, and mercury amalgams...that is a mouthful!
When I tested my retainier for compatibility...it came out bad for me...so I am not using it now for this past year. My teeth are recently shifting...and my bite is getting very "off" again. Which I expected would happen. I had so many questions of moving the teeth with all I am learning now...with meridians being affected, etc.
Also, with the AI, and revisiting old issues, will the teeth "memory" be affected, causing this drastic shift...up and beyond not using the retainer.
Is it bad for health to straighten teeth...and to add more of these metals to keep them straight? It seems logical. Especially if you have conflicting metals in your mouth! Most American children get braces now...just wondering if this is also a set up for future health problems for them as well. OR does moving the tooth root and shifting them...cause a release of viruses /bacteria etc?
Anything you know about this would be appreciated?
lp
I just find these thoughts interesting.
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Also very interesting...when one of my root canaled teeth was identified with ART last spring...the ND asked me if I had trouble making decisions as she gets the thought, "wishy- washy" when she touches that tooth.
She said that particular tooth is on the meridian for indecisiveness! And I do have that problem when trying to make decisions that are big...and sometimes small. I had to laugh...because she always hits it right!
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"i think i need to stop expecting to have a negative reaction."
You've got it, Ali.
Take care.
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Gigi - That was interesting when you mentioned the spots in your mouth....when I felt the metals floating last week I was told to take Chlorella Growth Factor and immediately the left side of the inside of my cheek had all of these spots on it and then my back felt hot and there were these scratch like red rash - think it may have been the 'bartonella rash'? Anyway, who knows, but thought of this when you wrote that.
Also, this is not AI related, but I thought this site in general may be a good place to get information about people's experience with whole house water filtration systems? What 'forum' would I go to on this website to find out information such as that? We are building a new house and I feel like I want to do things "right" as we build, but need to find out the right information!
Thanks
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I also had odd scratch like cuts on areas of my upper shoulders and upper back and chest...not rash like, but looked like a small little paper cut but deeper than a scratch as athey leave a little scab in odd places where no abrasion would occur.
Seemed like something was leaving my body! Nothing could have made those tiny odd cuts. I see them occasionally when I feel metals are moving. Could be related.
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I had one of those show up on my abdomen. I happened to be having neural therapy at the time so got some there as well. Gone now.
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Noticed this new article on the Biologo site today. Thought it's worthwhile reading and understanding.
About Detox
Cleansing, detoxification, and rehabilitation
The intestine as a detox-organ What you need to know about the intestine and its function in the body Intestinal cleansing, detox, and repair are very different procedures. One needs not only different tools, but also a basic understanding of what the intestine does and how it does it. Only then is it possible to understand why and when an intestinal cleasing, detox, or repair is necessary.
When talking about the body's organs, we are used to talking about the intestine, while actually referring to several very different body parts. Beginning at the stomach's pyloric sphincter, the small intestine is divided into the duodenem, jejunem, and illeum. The small intestine's task is to take the food already pre-digested by the stomach and break it down into the smallest possible particles, absorbing nutrients in a form usable to the body. The large intestine, approximately 1.5 meters in length, is connected to the end of the small intestine by a sphincter known as the illeocecal valve. The large intestine is responsible for removing liquid and various minerals from the digested food, and for solidifying the stool.
The intestine carries out the digestive process though muscle contraction, or peristalsis, and through beneficial bacteria. Over 100 trillion bacteria live and work in the small intestine alone, and these bacteria, along with certain microbes, make up our gut flora, which is important for digestion and for the body's immune system as well.
Certain bacteria train and stabilize the immune sytem by mobilizing immune cells in the intestinal lining, which are then sent from the intestine into the lymph, blood, respiratory tracts, glands, and skin to trigger the body's defense system. Other bacteria are able to destroy pathogens directly in the intestinal lining. In addition, the gut flora is able to break down vitamins into an absorbable form, thus preventing illness resulting from a vitamin deficiency.
Intestinal cleansing is simple since it merely involves emptying the intestine and thereby temporarily removing toxins along with stool and gases. Intestinal cleansing can be stimulated using Epsom salt or Glauber salt, or more gently using bitters found in buckhorn bark, an active ingredient in, for example, Biologo-Colon. Intestinal cleansing is more a prophylactic than a therapeutic treatment, but in our modern way of life with too little exercise and too many calories, intestinal cleansing is still recommended three to four times a year, and should be proceeded by and concluded with a day of juice- or tea-diet. Individuals who take medications on a regular basis and whose intestinal tract is therefore subjected to the effects of chemical toxins, should undertake a day of fasting and intestinal cleasing once a month. Intestinal cleasing, in conjunction with a day of fasting, is also recommended when the immune system requires particular support, such as during cold season or when the individual is under unusual physical or emotional stress.
It is a good idea to cleanse the intestine regularly, since this can help prevent digestive disorders and avoid discomforts that accompany them, such as bloating and flatulence.
Detoxing the intestine is more difficult than cleansing the intestine since, for example, mercury from amalgam fillings can attack the intestinal lining. The mucous membranes and tissues are often damaged by toxic heavy metals, causing disease patterns such as leaky-gut-syndrome, in which the intestine becomes too permeable, allowing toxins to spread throughout the body and cause allergies and food intolerances.
For a detox of the intestine, very special tools are necessary to release the toxins from the intestine and bind them. To thoroughly detox the intestine and acheive a lasting effect, it is no longer sufficient to merely flush heavy metals such as mercury or aluminium from the body. A modern, practical, and natural intestinal detox should also flush chemicals and mycotoxins from the intestinal tract. Today, chemicals are found in nearly all foods and medicines; mycotoxins are toxic secondary metabolites (e.g. from molds), which are also commonly found in foodstuffs such as spices.
The detox products of the Biologo-Detox-Line are ideally suited for intestinal detox since the micronized chlorella used in these products has been proven to effectively bind and remove heavy metals, chemicals, and mycotoxins from the intestine.
An intestinal detox, like an intestinal cleansing, should be performed regularly--twice a year for best results--since the toxic heavy metals in the intestine not only cause leaky-gut-syndrome, but also weaken the immune system. Furthermore, there is a direct correlation between heavy metals in the intestine and the propogation of candida fungi.
A fasting cure, even a medicinal one, cannot guarantee a complete intestinal detox. Fasting can, of course, help the organism and the intestine to recuperate and remove harmful deposits to a certain degree, but toxic heavy metals bound to the intestinal linings are not adequately removed. The products of the Biologo-Detox-Line are therefore well-suited for a complete detox of the intestine.
Repair and optimising function of the intestine is a difficult and generally long-term undertaking because a it may require a number of different steps using different procedures. In the case of leaky-gut-syndrome, repair is necessary involving a complete detox, a revitalization of the intestinal lining, and a re-propogation of the gut flora. It is also advisable to have any almagam dental fillings removed prior to commencing intestinal repair, since this often makes a complete repair possible in the first place.
An intestinal repair is recommended when suffering from irritable bowl syndrome, severe allergies, immune disorders, or inflammation. Individuals who regularly take antibiotics require intestinal repair with detoxing measures and a systematic propogation of the gut flora, which suffer damage from antibiotics.
Intestinal repair is also important for those suffering from candida fungi or parasites in the intestinal tract. In both cases, a detox is required, since both candida fungi and parasites release toxins into the body.
The Biologo-Detox-Line has the appropriate and effective detox products, as well as products necessary for intestinal repair, such as Biologo-Colon to efficiently flush out the intestine. Also useful is Biologo-Leaky Gut, which helps heal leaky-gut-syndrome, or Biologo-Candida, which halts the proliferation of candida fungi in the intestine and reduces them to normal levels.
There is more to the repair of the intestine, however, in particular the detox process. Biologo-Detox is indispensable as a detox aid for every intestinal repair for the following reasons:
Biolgo-Detox contains micronized chlorella algae is therefore 50 times stronger as a binding agent than normal chlorella algae. Biologo-Detox contains cold-processed chlorella-growth-factor (CGF), which can make significant repairs to tissues damaged by toxins. Biologo-Detox contains cell wall broken probiotics specially developed by Dr. Ray. The peptides of these probiotics remove heavy metals from cell receptors, thereby making a thorough detox possible. Intestinal repair can and should treat or heal ailments. Intestinal repair also makes it possible to feel healthier, since both body and mind are invigorated following a rehabilitation. For this reason, optimising intestinal function is recommended at least once a year.
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WOW, Gigi is all I can say. We always learn so much from you - you are amazing!
I found their website, but was unsure if the prices are listed in Euro? Trying to convert to find out how much it costs as I remember you mentioning it was expensive.
Thanks
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I just received my first results. Can these drops be used while taking ABX? After using the drops do I send 10 Euro with my sample as well as paying them with paypal? Does 10 Euro have to be paid for every sample sent in?
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LP, have you done the TOPAS tests on the root canals in question? That should give you an indication whether they are failing or have failed. The scientist who must be known to your ND declares all root canals bad. They are dead teeth putting out a toxin similar to mustard gas, aka as thioether and mercaptans. I am in the middle of detoxing this toxin (carcinogen) right now.
I am not sure that anything has changed in that respect since I had all mine removed 12 years ago. Look at some of my old posts talking about root canals. I totally understand the problem. When I first opened the book "the root canal cover-up" years ago, I read one page and closed the book. It took a tickbite and Dr. K. who told me that if I wanted to live- 12 root canals needed to go. I couldn't do it soon enough. After that I started to get well, slowly, slowly. But I still test for the thioether with my tensor and the Biologo Dental tests almost daily for me, confirmed by ART.
The researcher who has worked in this field for years also states when showing a photo of cavitations (at a seminar) "Now this happens to be cavitations, the bone toxins, but if you have root canals, you will have cavitations, because they cause them." I know that was the ugly truth for me. But I was already older and I had a lot more than you do.
My choice today would never to do a root canal. But lose the tooth unless better methods are available, and get a partial to replace the missing tooth or teeth. I would never let anyone cut down another tooth to make a bridge, because that is what ruined one tooth after another for me. The drilling eventually killed the tooth requiring another root canal, etc. etc. etc.
Maybe your dentist and ND have a better answer for you. But I would recommend doing a simple 'in chair' TOPAS test that instantly will tell the condition of the tooth. The test has to be done after "agitating the tooth with strong tapping" -- that is when the toxins surface and can be measured with a strip of paper. It is inexpensive and gives you a measure of how good or how bad the root canal is.
I wish you the best and know you will make the right decision.
Take care.
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Laura, although Herr G didn't say I mustn't take antibiotics alongide AI when I first wrote and asked, it is clear from the information that is translated earlier on this thread that it is better NOT to be taking abx at the same time.
I did take abx in the gaps between drops for the first few rounds, but stopped when I realised that I might not be giving the drops the best chance to do their work,
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The recommendations as to what to take and not to take are in the booklet for clients. It is available in English. Usually they send it with the first drops. It explains every aspect of the testing in detail and definitely recommends not to take antibiotics unless it is for an acute life-saving condition.
AI often told me that "we are trying to dig up some of the materials that you took over the years which the body cannot put to use and therefore just buried somewhere". A lot of the pharmaceuticals fit into that category and of course the many products people have taken and are in the habit of taking which the body is not compatible with.
All that should be taken into consideration, Laura, when you are starting the drops.
Take care.
They ask that we reimburse them for the postage for every bottle they send. ($10.) You can send cash with your saliva sample every time or do paypal.
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Whew! I've read through this entire thread--it took me a couple of weeks but I did it! I am so intrigued and proud of all of you. I feel like I know you all and that maybe I can begin this journey as well.
A few questions--we think I have had "Lyme and coinfections" for thirty years--diagnosed in May 2009 and treated with abx for 9 months. These were low doses of abx and I had to take many breaks because the herxes were so severe.
I am done with abx--although I am a bit better--it was hell getting here. My question is--if someone is as toxic as I am, will the drops be as bad as the herxes I've had before. From what I've read it certainly sounds like a more gentle way to do things but some people were still struggling even with AI.
When symptoms came up were most of you still able to function and have a life? I have been housebound most of the time and do not want to live like this. Already, off the abx I feel better but I feel Bart symptoms returning.
I am being tested for pylouria and think it will probably come back positive. Should I do AI first then KPU or at the same time? I know that some of you did it one way--others a different way. I did buy an inexpensive biotensor and hope to learn how to use it in this process.
What information would I begin with to show my ND that this is what I am going to do but I will need her support, especially in detoxing?
I have to say that after reading this thread I have had a complete paradigm shift in looking at lyme and its affects on my life. It makes so much more sense to me that we get lyme because we are so toxic and can't recognize or process everything our world throws at us. As someone once said, "Not everyone who is bit, gets lyme. There's got to be a bigger reason." Also I am relying more on my spiritualty rather than the poor why did this have to happen to me now.
Thank you all for your work through this.
Robbie
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Hi Robbie, I am pretty toxic myself. There shouldn't be anything like a herx (imo) with anything.
That is just a sign there is more being thrown at your body than it can handle.
There are reactions and at times you might want to lower the number of drops. Not the same for everyone.
You've already read the things people have gone through and I applaud you for reading it all first instead of wanting crib notes!
Definitely try to get your ND on board but my experience is that although they might be willing to hear about it, they have no way of understanding it unless they are doing it themselves.
It was quite a few rounds before I really started letting go of things. The Biologo Detox that Gigi mentioned is good and I have been using it.
I got it in Germany over a year ago and couldn't tolerate one drop until the metal issues were cleared with AI.
I have learned the hard way a couple of times- keep it simple, keep it simple.
I have started the CORE recently (after a year of AI). Only taking one for now and there could be times I won't take it at all depending how it tests day to day.
I will say that I think AI is what allowed this deficiency to surface and perhaps in the long run would take care it. But for now I am adding the CORE in.
I love Montana by the way. Have to try to remember the little town there that I fell in love with.
I know one person who is repeatedly bitten by ticks and does not get sick. He is a yoga instructor and is also as clean as a whistle.
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How can those of us in N. America purchase Biologo Detox?
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Zombie, You can call their international number. You will need to pay attention to the time difference. I usually call at midnight from Washington State to get to them at 9 AM when they open. We run 9 hrs behind German time.
I have been told by a friend that they will have a better payment arrangement with VISA and/or PayPal in a week or two. I made a wire transfer to their bank and they ship when they receive it. It took 3 weeks by air, but got here fine. Most people in Europe do not use credit cards and merely pay by direct bank transfer.
Hoping that the whole line will be available some time here. But I don't want to wait that long. My husband needs it now. He tests (with tensor and ART) for several of them daily: Biologo Detox, even now Biologo Detox Forte, and definitely always for Biologo Colon and Biologo Leaky Gut. I don't test for the latter two, but I also had no food allergies at all. Instead I test for Biologo Dental for the remains of metals and dental toxins (thioethers) and can feel it inside my mouth.
Hope that everyone is doing well!
We could probably get away with not adding much to the detox process, but I am sure it would take longer to be free of all, now that it is starting to flow.
I would suggest to read every detail in the catalog descriptions which tell what is in the different products.
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Quick question: if you start to lose some weight, can detox become even more intense? I know that so much junk is held in fat...
I just finished round 3 and arthritic symptoms are pretty intense in all joints. I noticed that I am also losing some weight (nothing too significant...darn...) and just wondered whether that might increase joint pain too.
Best to all,
wiserforit2
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I was told that fat is a good thing to have during detox because it does hold the toxins. Otherwise the biggest source of fat is our brain. When I all of a sudden had food allergies and couldn't eat gluten (carbs), eggs and dairy (butter, cream, etc) I lost a ton of weight and right away my Naturopath wanted me to try really hard to gain it back so that the "stuff" would have a place to hide rather than zip on up to the brain - oh my did that freak me out! That's about all I know on the subject :-)
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Dear Friends,
On a wait for the next bottle of drops--number 10, I think.
I was looking over Dr. J's products, and decided to buy just one at this point to help with the detoxing--Neuro-Antitox II. I'm only taking about 5 drops at a time (the "normal" dose is 90!!), and that's enough! When I took more, I got quite a bit of fatigue.
Anyway, I am noticing that my thinking is clearer and that useful memories are popping up now instead of staying in the fog.
I'm also taking chlorella, charcoal, doing oil pulling once a day (at least), drinking cranberry water with ground flaxseed, and taking the 5 methylation factors nightly. So, major detox is occurring!!!
Best,
Cass A
I'm also looking into the Biologo products. I haven't ordered any yet.
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Gettinhealthy - makes sense about fat and the brain.
I have gained about 10 pounds that doesn't want to come off. I had been wondering if it was there to protect me in some way.
Think I mentioned to LP that I thought it had something to do with toxins. Not sure I understand it all, but I'm not in a big hurry to lose it right now.
Cass A - what are the 5 methylation factors you are taking?
I found trying any of that on top of AI put me in a nose dive. My body wants to go slow, slow, slow.
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I would like to start AI and am currently off all abx. However, I am having a Bart relapse and yes I know it is the Bartonella, not the lyme.
Should I treat for Bart first before I start AI. I really don't want to as I just do so badly on abx.
Thanks for your help.
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After going through all the co-infections that make up Lyme Disease, I still don't know which one caused which symptoms, especially since toxic metal, chemical and mycotoxin symptoms don't differ at all. I have put all the symptoms lists next to each other over the years and still don't know or see any difference to speak of.
For that reason alone I would choose today, if I had to do it over again and known about AI, to do AI before anything else. Only you, Imaginit, know what you have already done re Lyme and whether you consider your infection still acute. That should make your decision for you.
You may be surprised how much of our problems are not Lyme. Neurotoxins are neurotoxins and create the same problems if we are unable to release them. AI will do that for sure. It will take time once all the doors are opened with AI, but no doubt it will happen. It is impossible to get well as long as the immune system cannot recognize and start handling the toxic load.
Wishing you well with your decision.
Take care.
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Dear NanaDubo,
Thanks for writing.
I was already on the "5 Factors" for methylation (helping the body to get rid of toxins) for many months before I started AI.
These are from Dr. Amy, I think she's known as. She's not my LLMD, but my Dr. agrees with her research on this.
My husband (who tests positive for Lyme) has a genetic inability to detox, so he went onto it first. Then, my LLMD said that my treatment would go much faster if I took them as well, so I started.
What I'm taking is as follows: Perque Activated B-12 Guard, Phosphatidyls Serine Complex, Holistic Health Consultants Neurological Health Formula, Intrinsi B 12/Foliate, and FoliaPro L-5 Methyl Tetrahydrofoliate.
This combo has been discussed on Lymenet elsewhere. I remember finding it talked about when searching under "methylation" or "5 Factors."
I was also taking the KPU vitamins and minerals before starting AI, and am still doing so. These keep me from having seizures.
I have cut back from 200 mg zinc per day to 100 mg. When I test, my body still is zinc deficient.
Best,
Cass A
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Thanks Cass, just curious as I was just out to see the same Dr. A you are referring to.
She wanted me on a very small dose of CORE and a few other things not on your list.
AI seems to be trying to fix methylation as well. I do fine with the CORE but the other stuff on top of AI was creating too much of a burden for me.
I will be speaking with her soon. We are all so different aren't we? I feel really good when I keep it simple. The drops and simple organ support are working nicely for me right now.
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The organs also need to recouperate once the AI starts to correct the overall regulation. This happens in very small steps every time we get a new bottle with the correct information. This is changing all pathways -- which many of us have tried to balance with all sorts of means but often moving the system still in the wrong direction finally resulting in chronic conditions and "diseases of civilization" as they are referred to in other countries.
The attempt of AI/PSP is to correct our going in the wrong direction, and while doing this, we sometimes pass through previous stages reminding us of a situation we lived through years before. Four steps forward, three backward! That is why sticking with it is important. Longterm that is the only way we will reach our goal.
Here http://klinghardtneurobiology.ning.com/video/fundamental-teachings-of are the "Seven Factors" and the "Five Levels of Healing" as taught by Dr.K. since the early 1990's. Dr. A. was a "student" of Dr. K. I remember the day when she started to intern at Dr.K.'s and liked her from the first day I met her. They are working very closely together now sharing as they learn more with every patient they treat in their respective practices and "think tanks".
Chronic Disease is evolving as the microorganisms and our exposure to environmental toxins are changing; every new chemical - chemtrails!?!?
Breakfast is waiting!
Take care. It is beautifully sunny here today! Need to plant my freesias.
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Dear NanaDubo,
Thanks for writing! Glad that organ support and AI are working well for you now! That's great that you're working with Dr. A!!
I tried cutting out the 5 Factors, and the results were not good at all. So, I'm back taking them.
At this point, it seems that, for me, anything that helps with detox is fair game!!
I'd love to lose the daily nap.......
Best,
Cass A
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Back from a great get away with daughter...went to Bahamas! Reading through the last page of threads...now I know what others go through who just stumble on this...lots to read and catch up on.
Gigi, thanks for your support and root canal info. I do remember all your past posts as well as others about the horrors of root canals and amalgams!
A year ago when I started the detox process, I did get the test and they were "suspect"...showed positive, but not conclusive that in the ND"s opinion, they needed to be removed immediately.
Recommended I do a systematic approach, get rid of amalgams first, start the detox of other things and keep checking them. Also, I was extremely emotional about "lyme-et all "at the time, and wanted to work on some of that...pre-AI.
Now, a year later, we're addressing the root canals again. Its time. Originally I wanted to just pull them...but the location of them visually, in the front part of the mouth...with also many crowns....made it a complicated issues emotionally.
ND thought it better in my long term total healing to take small steps. I am questioning...do I pull all my working teeth that are crowoned as well? Possibly. I have many!!!As the original amalgams I had, eventually broke down my teeth requireing crowns.
So mercury is surely hiding in the root! Visual amalgams are gone...but residual mercury for sure exists somewhere related to this.
I do feel too young and attractive to have no teeth. But I also prefer a functional healthy life and to having teeth...i am practical too! OR am I willing to leave some in...knowing I will have a lifelong battle with issues and detoxing.
Dentist says there are also other risks to removing all I have. Must weigh to costs he says..so thats why we are taking it slower than what would be recommended for most...they say.
This is my issue today.
I feel great...but know I have underlying issues, mostly auto immune in nature today. I beieve the teeth are hindering my total healing.
I hear you friend and agree with all your thoughts! Just taking things step by step. And I was relieved to hear from both the ND and dentist that waiting was a better thing for me at this time...but also know they are not perfect with their knowledge either.
Thanks everyone.
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