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Can anybody recommend frequencies they found useful for Bartonella and Babesia?
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Thanks for taking the time to post all the encouraging words. I have a machine, and my dr. really wants me to try it as my body doesn't seem to be responding well to treatment. I've been scared to start though, since I know strong herxes come as a result. With four kids it's hard to find time to be sick! LOL No pain no gain though. The good results are giving me the encouragement to just do it! I need to get better for my family.
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quote:Originally posted by CD57: what about RIFE for bartonella? I really need to get rid of that one, BLO whatever it is. Does it work?
CD, do you know if our doc is on board with this?
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I would like to see sharing of Frequencies but it seems people are not sharing that info too much.
Do most of you use the CAFL list??
The Consolidated Annotated Frequency List (CAFL)
The latest versions of the CAFL and NCFL plus a few articles are also available in a paperback book called The Electroherbalism Frequency Lists..Click here or on the bookcover picture for details. Note that there is nothing in the book which is not also available on this website. The book includes the CAFL, the NCFL, the CAFL Cross Reference, an Introduction to Bioelectronic Therapy Devices, James Bare's "Understanding Our Frequencies Through Harmonics Associations", and "Electrical and Frequency Effects on Pathogens."
See the Introduction to the Frequency Lists to view notes and explanations of terms used in the CAFL and NCFL.
The CAFL is available in both PDF and text formats. Text is included below, or click on the link to view the PDF version.
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I am not familiar with Teasal Root, so I guess I do not know. I am hoping I can get to it where it is at. My wife does not tolerate oral treatments at all.
Joint pain seems to be caused for two Lyme related reasons, although other pathogens such as Mycoplasma Pneumonia can also cause it.
Active Spirochetes in the joints will make joints painful all of the time. When you kill these Spirochetes the joint pain will go temporarily higher. It can even go higher during treatment.
Once you have killed most of the active Spirochetes joint pain will go down, usually dramatically.
You can be symptoms free if you have little or no active Spirochetes and still be infected with Cyst form. It takes quite some time to be able to kill most of the active Spirochetes. The Herx can be so severe it limits treatment times to what you can handle.
It would be quite easy to kill most of them in one shot if you ran the frequencies long enough. I would not advise trying it, but treat as often as is allowed by your Herx reaction.
Another cause of joint pain comes when you use the DNA frequencies for the first few times. Now you are killing cysts, but at a slower rate, and the dead material causes more inflammation. This takes a while to go away, but it does go away as the joints are cleared out.
This is based on my experience over the last four years, and what I have figured out is happening based on repeatability of treatments and results
The 612 hz frequency is probably given at its lower Harmonic of 306 Hz. I found that 612 Hz worked better. This particular frequency was used by Coil Machine originator Doug McLean. He witnessed, under the microscope, Lyme Spirochetes spinning and being broken apart with this frequency.
Another one he saw working first hand was 432 hz.
I think these two frequencies are likely all that are needed to kill Spirochete form Lyme native to this country. Some of the other frequencies likely work also, but I do not know to what degree.
Now, all I use for Spirochetes is 612 Hz. I also run a Harmonics auto program on my GB-4000 that runs eight Harmonics of 612 at one time. Works real well, but I am not sure if it works any better than 612 Hz alone.
I have treated for Babesia, but I cannot say for certain if my wife had it or not. She had some symptoms, and reacted strongly to the frequencies.
I have used all of the CAFL frequencies and the DNA frequencies for Babesia. They both seem to knock it down fairly quickly. I never treated for months for Babs, but maybe a week, and the symptoms abated for a long time. Some times coming back months later.
I cannot identify any particular frequency that is effective, as I ran them all as an auto program on the GB-4000.
Viruses seem to be real easy to kill. I have never treated any virus longer than a week. Sometimes two treatments will eliminate a viral illness.
H-Pylori is easy to kill also. Six days of treatment will eliminate it from the Stomach. 676 Hz is usually the most effective frequency for this.
For a particular pathogen, I prefer to use Char Boehm's DNA frequencies. They have such a good track record with me, that it saves time and hunting for an effective frequency. Most of these will work better in the Mhz range.
I would suggest anyone with Lyme that is also having symptoms of autoimmune disease, treat for the XMRV retrovirus. It is not clear at this time that it causes autoimmune disease, but since we have a good method of disabling it with super low risk, why not use it? Char Boehm has the only frequencies available for this.
I have some scant personal evidence that it XMRV might be the cause of my autoimmune illness, but it is not bullet proof by any means.
I have not treated for many of the other co-infections, and I do not think frequencies can kill everything, so I cannot say how effective this works for them.
Strongyloides do not seem to respond to frequency treatment, even with a high powered Rife type device.
There are some circumstances where other methods are better for some particular pathogens.
Pads and such can be used for localized treatment, but also work for the whole body, especially if using an RF carrier frequency.
I have used a positive and negative contact on opposite sides of my stomach, when treating H-Pylori. What a relief it was when it was gone!
That was my first success on myself. What a revelation that was!
Dan
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Dan.
Thanks so much for answering many of my questions. I so appreciate your sharing. Your experience in all these years really helps us who are starting out.
It is so valuable. Thank you thank you thank you.
So much.
I may start buying the DNA frequenies as you mentioned. It is hard to "find" the right ones sometimes as you mentioned.
One more question for now.
Have you treated for parasites or protozoan type infections. I am positive I have the blood type parasites such as fry bug and babesia too.
There are SOOOOOO many Protozoan Frequencies on so many lists and there are also Soooo many disasease that the lists refer you back to the parasite listings.
I was curious if you have been able to narrow down any numbers that work on those types>>>??
I do not know where to start??
Thanks again
I have had H Pylori too and I would like to treat to make sure I still do not have any issues and putting the contact pads on each side of the stomach sounds like a great idea.. probably so for the liver and other organs too>> ?
I really do like doing the Liver, Kidney and Lymph support that I use..
I can feel it when I do them and I can feel too my digestion system being stimulated which is very important too.
Just for that alone I think that rife is a good tool.
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Oh
Do you feel it would be better to Rife one time a week and let the herx calm down that takes about a week..
or do less time 2 x a week.
I am at the point where I know what i can so far handle 1 x a week but I do a good time period of treating on that day.
I was not sure if it would be more effective to do less time and do it two times in the week.. or try that ?? Or stick with what I am doing and work up from there??
Any feedback?
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I think more frequent treatments are going to be more effective than a long treatment farther apart.
The reason is the Lyme converts to Spirochete form whenever, and the sooner you can kill it, the less it can spread.
You also are not allowing a huge amount to gather in between, so the Herx should be more predictable.
Of course, you still have to go by what you can handle. That is really the only limitation you have.
As I mentioned, I do not think the CAFL frequencies kill anything but Spirochete form. So the best you can do is keep hitting it often and gradually reduce the infection by preventing it from spreading and reproducing.
If you are using the DNA frequencies, you may be able to use these more often. They do not produce the intense Herx as it does not kill them quickly. You may kill quite a bit the first few times, so be careful at first using DNA frequencies. You likely have never really affected cyst form before, and there can be a lot of it. Expect a couple weeks of bad joint pain when starting these.
I use 612 Hz and the first ten DNA frequencies each treatment to keep hammering it in every form.
In general work toward an every day treatment, but you will not be able to do this fast. Do not push it to where you are miserable.
Babesia is all I have treated for. I do not know the specific frequency that was effective, but I will see if I can find a reliable source that knows the answer to that question.
Dan
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As far as treating babs is concerned, for myself, the most effective frequencies were 570, 20, 27 and 76. 570 is babesia-specific. I had very strong reactions to 20 and 27 every time I ran them. Were they killing babesia or some other unknown pathogen? I can't say but they definitely killed something.
Dan - have you ever run 1224? I ran that as an experiment a few months ago and had a heck of a reaction to it. I've been running it ever since and it never fails to give me a strong reaction.
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1224 Hz is part of the Lyme Harmonic Auto program I use. It is another Harmonic 0f 306 612 etc.
I have also used 2,506,752 Hz which is a much higher Harmonic of the same frequency. It works well also.
I have been converting some of these frequencies up to the Mhz range to see if they work better.
It is hard for me to tell now, since so little Lyme is left to get rid of.
Dan
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I had tried a digital rife machine at an acquaintance's home. I had an immediate reaction.
I bought an EMEM3D machine (2 bulbs) 2-3 yrs. ago from Rife Labs.
I bought the analog because in Bryan's book he said that the frequency kind of migrated (I can't remember how he put it). He mentioned this might actually be better. Sorry, Lyme brain here, I read the book so long ago and now can't find it.
I never been one to get strong herx symptoms (accept with salt/C) and at the time didn't know that, so when I wasn't experiencing any obvious herx reactions I got nervous.
I did go to abx much later, because of being reinfected. So, for the mean time my sis is using the rife, because she can't afford treatment. She is kind of lax with treatment too, because she doesn't feel she is bad off. (She had treated with abx yrs. ago).
I plan on using it for maintenance when I go off the abx. I am real excited to hear you all talk about your experiences. Has anybody used it shortly after finishing abx treatment and noticed any herxing or further improvement?
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Glad I found this thread. My LLMD, from observations of numerous patients, is convinced it works. He is not formally recommending it because there need to be studies as to any long-term effects (potential DNA damage perhaps.) I am quite interested though.
He particularly mentioned the GB4000 as that's where he's seen the significant results and he said it has some feature, I forget my notes, which has an amplification effect and that makes it much stronger than other models.
He also said the Doug coil is also effective, but less user friendly than GB4000, I don't know why. GB4000 costs about $2500.
I'm definitely going to learn more about this, so thanks for starting this thread!
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GB4000 has a long positive track record and is portable.
Doug Coil does too but it is pretty big - the desk top one that I have from coilmachines.com is not hard to operate at all but is not very portable - it could be moved but it is heavy -
There are also a few other people making them now. Not sure how good their product is.
Emem's track record is very good too. I used the one from rifelabs three years ago got better, put it away and pulled it out 6 weeks ago and it works fine. I'm sure the DT model is just as reliable.
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I have been using EMEM 3D from Rifelabs since May of 09. It is the first thing I have tried that makes me feel positive about getting better - because I have been feeling better. I was on antibiotics for 18 months along with lots of other things most doctors prescribe to rid yourself of lyme bacteria. Some people are afraid to try rifing because of the unknown but my feeling was that my quality of life was not good anyway so I was willing to try. I had been sick for 4 years before finding out I had lyme. Diagnosed with chronic fatigue.
I started rifing slowly - one minute. Now I am up to 14 minutes at each sitting every other week. Tried to rife more often in the beginning but I was herxing too much. After the holidays I may try rifing weekly. I rife for babesia, lyme and always end with the 10k for detox.
A little frightening starting out since I felt there wasn't much help out there but Rifelabs was very helpful as have these forums. Plus my doctor, who also has lyme, has been encouraging, but she is cautious about what she says of course. She is going to begin to rife herself with the Doug Coil. I mainly wanted the EMEM machine because it is portable. Plus it was one of the ones recommended in Rosner's book.
Yes, I feel my healing has gone to the next level with the Rife machine. But even with the machine it takes time and getting better is still going to be a slow slow process. You have to keep with it, keep good records of which frequencies you use, how you react, rifing time etc. I am just so glad to be off antibiotics and excited to have something to feel positive about again.
Glad this post was started. I hope people keep adding. Beth
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I just had my third session w/rifing. think maybe we did a bit too much since i've been extremely ill for two days now. we have a machine on order, we have to get something going or else? when my husband first heard of it he thought it was quack med. but now has seen that it really does something everytime we use it so he up and ordered one. when you're as sick as we are you have to try everything. apr09tested pos. lyme/bart/babs/ehrl currently on mepron/biaxin/ceftin/plaquenil/diflucan herbs....
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Someone started this thread about killing the Fry Bug which is a goal of mine
I added in the 72 and 120 and it hit me with the biggest punch yet...
So I suggest trying these to to start with. I will post any more infor I find out if and when I do.. : )
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I would recommend the BCX ULtra Rife Machine to anyone who is looking to buy. Just from my own experience so far and not from comparing to other machines which I have not..
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Dan
You mentioned there are XMRV Frequencies floating around. Can you share or point to where you have seen them?
Thanks
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They are from Char Boehm. I was surprised that this virus had been genetically sequenced, but there it was.
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Has anyone rifed at night and fell asleep and ran the machine for 8+ hrs accidentally?
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I have not rifed during the past week due to being on vacation. Looking back I am glad that I had the opportunity to be away from my machine b/c I was able to see how great I felt!
Dare I say, that I almost felt normal? Still struggled with fatigue, but overall I was doing pretty good. I also noticed that the ringing in my right ear had stopped. I attributed to rifing for babs with it disappearing.
While away on my trip I did partake in alcohol, which I think brought back the ringing in my ear just two days ago-- but it was worth it!
With the break in rifing, I also realized that I had been rifing to aggressively, and I am going to cut back on the amount of frequencies and length of rifing for babs, bart and lyme.
I am going to start rifing again tonight after a 1 week break.
I am so glad to see this thread growing.
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Wow, maybe this really is the route I need. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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It is so nice to be able to read threads about alternative treatments without the nastiness that used to happen on this site.
It's no longer all about abx. Lymenet has become the big picture of healing with lyme & company.
Pam
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I agree Map.. !!! Very much so.
Asummers... Hey I had the same thing happen. I had to skip some time and I had better and better days!!
For me now .. Hitting the Parasite Frequencies seems to be the best bet. I think all my intensive IV abx and Treatments has handled the Lyme.!!!!
YEAH!!!
When I rife for Lyme I have no reaction. I have been trying it for a couple months....and various programs....
So the co infections that are Protozoan are left for me...
Also I do a Viral program every week for safe measures..
BY the way.. This is part of the transitional program from Envita. I sm sure you remember the other woman on here who was sent home with one after her six weeks of her son being treated.
I am getting more and more confident that this is what will get the last stuff that is not hit by the abx treatments...
My blood work was evaluated giving a direction for me too...
Reminder about 72 and 120 ... Nynah Silver writes that those two numbers kill 75 percent of parasites.
I am having reactions and side affects.... from the rifing that are typical of other treatments too. Its crazy..
Hey and do not forget to support your liver and lymps and kidneys etc.
If I skip a week of those Then I notice a strong reaction again the next week.. I think the toxin build up and the rifing helps detox too.. .
It is working for me...
: )
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Yes, I remember a woman posting about her experience with Envita. I remember her eluding to her using a rife...interesting.
I am so excited that you are gaining confidence - that is great. I am hoping it will rub off on me soon
A couple of questions for you:
So do you rife once or twice a week for liver, lymph, lyme?
Do you rife with the new numbers of 72 and 120 on a different day than the liver & lymph support?
I will be trying 72 & 120 around the 1st of the year. I just can't afford to be knocked out during the holidays.
I am also going to start rifing your liver & lymph support numbers today. I haven't been rifing for lyme, babs & bart this week b/c I have to attend my husbands holiday work functions.
I don't think it would look good at the dinner table if I was curled up under it experiencing a herx.
Thanks!
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hi..
I have not had herxing (per say) from Liver Kidney Lymph and Detox cleansing Rifing.
Therefore.. I do rotate now ... by doing the Parasite Program... plus those two numbers I posted.. Then I do the viral program and then go into the liver kidney lyph and overall cleansing detox program.. Ending with detox
That is 1 x a week. Mondays
Then the 2nd time . Thursdays I do the same as above but I take out parasites and put in Lyme.
I have not had near the response to lyme anymore but I do not want to quit doing it. yet..
This way I keep in viral and body support and rotate back and forth Parasite and Lyme.
Does that make sense.
My own soup.. of sorts.
This last week.. I did Parasite two times and I am not quite ready of that.. i tried it and I am going to back off again.
Esp since the holidays.. as well....
But my goal is to get to Two times a week with the parasite protocols which are so much harder for me than Lyme now..
Thats it.. I hvae not extended past those.
I can feel it in my liver and kidneys when i run those programs. for liver and kidneys. It aches and I feel movement in them and .. sometimes when I am doing the kidney one I have to pause it to go pee.
I am not going to push it ... I am tired of herxing... I want to find that balance of moving upward without huge herxes .. I would rather go up slow and steady at this point that hit it hard and have to recover and repeat.
Hope your doing good... I relate to you about needing to time this stuff around certain timing of things and family and holidays etc..
Keep In touch..
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I just got the approval to order DNA frequencies.
Is D Bergy the only one posting here who is using these frequencies?
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I have been having great results using Rife for Detox.!!
I feel asleep this morning after each program . well I dozed off... tiny naps..
I recommend anyone using rife to consider trying the organ supports..
My whole system gets stimulated and I can feel the movement... Esp in the digestive system.
That makes sense when your working on the organs and such. I am actually quite amazed.. by it.
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i was logging on to post the same thing that you just did.
i rifed the numbers that you provided for the lymph, liver and kidney detox/support and i felt great afterwards.
i was wondering if it would be OK to do this 3 -4 times a week?
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David..Sorry, I do not have such studies to point you to. Maybe someone else>??
Asummers..Good deal. Glad to hear it and that it not only helps me but works on someone else..
I have not gone to order the DNA frequencies yet but plan on it. Been busy and was going to wait a while yet. What do you mean you got the approval? Do you have to apply> and wait?
I do the detox and organ supports more often and just when I feel like I need to detox. So the answer from me is yes.
I am still at two times a week for killing... things : ) and then I will do the others at the same time and a couple extra times when I feel the need..
I am going to research some other supports for the organs and tr to match up numbers and see how those programs match up to some other lists too..
Let me know how the DNA frequencies go.. ok?
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David -- I searched briefly the rife forum for your question, but did not see any info. You might want to google the topic of in-vitro rife.
Springshowers -- In my earlier post, I forgot to say Thank you for providing the frequencies to run for the detox. It is much appreciated.
The owner of the lists, asks you to sign legal documents. So you print them off and fill them out and then email them back. Then they send you an email that they received the documents and that you are now able to order the DNA frequencies.
I had no problem signing the documents, and felt that it was very reasonable to ask. It states that the money is used to fund her research. So if she can find more numbers for us to run on the rife machine, the better.
It will be a couple of weeks before I start to use them, so I will let you know.
In terms of detox, I am seriously considering coffee enemas. Yes, I said it! I am also getting to the end of my abx regimen, so I am considering doing rife & salt/C. But I will keep you posted.
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I can't wait to try 120 and 72! I believe some unknown parasite is a problem for me as I still react to other parasite frequencies I use.
Also, can someone point me to the detox frequencies? I've been all thrugh this thread and can't find them.
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Oh yeah - Can someone also explain the DNA frequencies to me? How and why they work and why they're called DNA frequencies? What distinguishes them from all the other frequencies? Thanks!
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The DNA frequencies are relatively new, although they have been around for a few years.
These frequencies are solely mathematically calculated based on the genetic sequencing of the DNA/RNA of the specific pathogen. They are not well tested, and they are essentially being tested by users at this time.
They are designed to hopefully disrupt and negatively affect the genetic material of the pathogen you are using it for. Since they have not been used by lots of people yet, it is unknown how well they work.
The CAFL frequencies are pretty much frequencies that past experienced users have reported work for various conditions. They are purely anecdotal, and are not calculated in any way. They have been determined by trial and error. Why they work is not always clearly understood.
Some frequencies probably do not work at all. But some do work well for certain applications.
Dan
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LL28 Here are the organ support numbers.
Liver Support (1 min each programed) 337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546
Lymph Support (1 minute each programed) 146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846
Kidney Support (1 minute each programed) 248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-5162
In the end I do a General Detox
I will not post all those numbers but can another time too.
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I can come back and add the others I use
I have three others that are Detox, cleaning, healing type.. that I end with ..
I usually do the 1. Kill or treating of infections 2. Liver kidney Lymph supports 3. Detox and cleanse.
In that order..
Rotating .. what I treat... but always ending in Number 2 and then number 3...
I guess I owe my 3rd numbers after reading my past posts...
Anyone else have any detox or support frequencies they use that helps.. Please.. let us know.
I also am working on transitioning off abx.. and Am thinking of either Salt C or MMS and Rife.
Or just rife...
Even when your feeling like you are getting better I do have fear of remission and know there are still issues to either clear out or to keep at bay.
It seems unfair we have to work so hard to just try to gain or even keep health.
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Here is a set of Detox numbers that I was using.
DETOX Frequencies 20- 146- 333- 522- 555- 727- 787- 880- 10K, end with 465
I think I like yours better.
I have been re-reading parts of Bryan Rosners book over the past two days and I have made the big executive decision to go off abx.
As in, this week.
My LLMD has been treating me over the past year with a monotherapy approach to abx. I need to call him to see if I can arrange a telephone consultation with him to discuss my decision.
I feel that the abx has caused the bacteria to bury itself and hide in cyst form. I need to activate the lyme so I can hit it with the rife.
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I can understand your decision.
I ams SOOO Happy I have been doing Hard Core IV abx for the last few months. I have made a TON of progress.
I though feel that.. there are infections that go places abx can not get to...
So that is also why i am trying it.... So far it is obvious I am right.. in my own case and for me..
I still am not letting go of IV Abx but am doing them in pulsing manner like M W F and not every day anymore...
I can see how this is a good transition choice..
I think if I started RIFE off the bat without really knocking things down I would really have a rough rough time.. I am sure it would take a lot longer to get to the point I am on..
But it might be possible.. but I visualize at least a year.. or more.. if even..
So there is a place and time for everything.. Its tough to know those answers but I have no regrets on my recent choices what so ever..
I really am so glad that I did what I did by and getting an integrative intensive approach..
Rife.. is another part of the puzzle. I think too that Rife is a great tool to keep things in remission..
As I feel better and better I am going to keep doing it on a regular basis.. not as often but regularly ...
I have put those into my machine and used them but not so sure why and have not noticed a difference..
Anyone know the concepts of ending at 465?
AS .. Try the detox numbers above too and let me know what you think..
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465 Hz covers a huge amount of pathogens and conditions. It is one of those catch all treatments.
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Thanks for the number SS, I will try them tomorrow and let you know how it goes.
I did a bit of an experiment on Monday. I have been using your detox numbers and feeling really good.
Since I am glutton for punishment, after I ran your numbers, I ran 432 & 612 for just 1 min 45 seconds each. Right after I was done, the fatigue set in and I swore I could have taken a nap. Also right away I could feel the pain in my neck & shoulders. I could feel the herx all that night.
I was so excited. I never used to feel a herx right away. So I went to bed early, slept about 10 hours and later the next day, I feel great again.
So, it just confirmed for me that I was rifing too much before, and that sometimes, less is more.
I am glad you are finding success on IV abx, if I was still living in the States I think I would have tried that as well. I was on abx for 1 yr and I feel that I was stuck at 85% for a while.
Then when we moved, I felt really alone in terms of finding a doctor over here to treat aggressively with abx. I agree that I wouldn't have been able to do rife without lowering the bacterial load first.
Thanks D Bergy for the explaination for the 465 number.
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Its funny.. Your on here at this time and its when i am about to go to bed I check in.. around 11pm or midnight....
I sure would love to go to Australia. I have a life long friend who is from there and she and her husband go quite often and I have been invited.> Just too sick..
But.... I will go someday..
: )
Do you like it there?
Anyway. Great about the Detox numbers working for you. They have worked for me too and keep on working. Are you doing it 3 times a week?
How funny that you did that and just added 432 and 612 at the end.
I am not going to try that... but I like to kill first and then cleanse?? LOL
Why did you choose to run those at the end? Just curious. Maybe it would be good to .. clear out to make room for the next kill LOL.
Funny Huh?
I still respond .. as far as herxing.. to parasite numbers..
I have a general parasite program and then the two other numbers I posted..
For now those are giving me a strong enough reaction.
It is funny how from session to session and week to week how I respond can be different. IN herx and in how i feel the frequencies.
What machine are you using again? I guess I could read up... Is it contact? If so .. do you use salt water on your plates and hand holds?
I have ray tubes. Those are my favorites but I run them along with both contacts and read that all 3 can be very benefitial. So I do it.
The joint pain is new for me and I assume its those cysts.
I am going to study my Neynah Sylver book more and I want to really read what she says about cyst forms and such.
I have learned a lot from D Bergy but I still feel I do not have a good grasp on it..
Does anyone know about or use any of the Rife that is used along with Foot bath ? It is being recommended to me.... but. I think i have enough going on..
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I am beginning to think that the DNA Lyme frequencies damage cyst form Lyme when in the soft tissues, more than in the joints themselves.
I am guessing that the cartilage and bone somewhat protects the bacteria from the frequencies, reducing a direct killing effect.
What I am seeing is that even though the frequencies are not as effective in these joint areas, they do seem to threaten the bacteria enough that they tend to convert to Spirochete form shortly after treatment. Within one weeks time. Sometimes the next day, but not usually.
I will get these surges in Spirochetes, within a week of no treatment. In another words there is no real remission period any more, longer than a week. One week of not treating and there will be this surge in Spirochetes. She starts feeling joint pain, I run 612 Hz and this kills off the Spirochetes. She can feel this frequency quite easily when there is active Lyme, and does not feel it when there is no active Lyme.
Active Lyme = Joint pain
No active Lyme = No joint pain. (This does not apply when starting DNA frequencies. There is a temporary surge in joint pain as the easier cysts are eliminated in the beginning.)
Active Lyme = feeling 612 Hz frequency
No active Lyme = not feeling 612 hz.
From what I can tell, based on symptoms, is that there is a direct slower killing effect from the DNA frequencies in easy to reach places such as soft tissue.
A secondary effect of causing the cysts form to convert to Spirochete form faster than it normally would.
Of course, this is based solely on observation, and I do not have the means to 100% verify this process, but I think it is accurate enough for our purposes.
Dan
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Dan that is very interesting indeed..
Can i ask how long you have been trying to get at these last parts of the disease on your wife?
Meaning you feel you got all you could and now are chasing the cysts and are on this one week cycle.
Do you see a decrease in the load as you move along week to week? Meaning I wonder if you keep on hitting it each week that they come out as Spirochetes that the cyst load will decrease?
Or do they somehow have the ability to remain the same or even multiply and grow in numbers?
This end spot sure seems key and so important in our recovery...
Does your wife have other symptoms besdies joint pain when the lyme is active again? Or is it saying localized to joints?
Thanks for all your input and time.. Your feedback is so very valuable to us all.
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