canefan17
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Juli,
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There are many types of Rhodiola products out there, but here is the kind you would want.
A good standardized formula should contain 3% rosavins, and 1% Salidroside. Otherwise you are not guaranteed to get two of the known active ingredients that make it work.
My order from Puritans Pride is back ordered, so I ordered some from Swanson's also. It shipped today.
I also read that a lady that was a Psychologist took this when she had Lyme Disease. Apparently it helped he a great deal, but I do not remember the details.
I will try find it again, and link to it.
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I found some of the information, but it appears it has not been used much for helping with Lyme. I pasted what I found below.
The only written testament to the curative effects of R. rosea pertaining to Lyme disease appeared in a 2002 article in "Herbalgram" by Drs. Richard Brown and his wife, psychiatrist Patricia Gerbarg. Gerbarg claimed significant improvement in an alleged case of Lyme disease. Her treatment with rhodiola, along with Brown's annotations of its psychological effects, led the couple to initiate prescription of rhodiola to patients in combination with established antidepressants. They also co-authored a book titled "The Rhodiola Revolution," publicizing the efficacy of the herb; however, no clinical trials on the herb have been carried out. Since clinical trials have not been conducted, the therapies do not have scientific backing.
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I still have not heard from John Stoller. Does anyone know him personally or have contact with him recently? I haven't heard from him since March 23rd, and it's now April 19th. Is he hospitalized? On vacation? What's going on?
Can people put their feelers out for me on the other Rife groups and ask what's happening? I'd really appreciate it.
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Last I heard, he was doing well, but that was a couple of months ago.
I do not have any contact information for him.
Dan
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Dan,
Really? I talked to him 3 weeks ago and he made no mention of not feeling well.
Though he did mention he was going to treat for parasites soon.
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Surfaced infections vs underlying
Do you guys think frequencies hit infections that aren't on the surface?
The Onion peeling analogy is often used in describing how Lyme n Cos should be treated.
So my question is - if I ran babesia frequencies without showing babesia symptoms would I hit something? And could I still seemingly eradicate babs without it ever surfacing?
Thanks
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I think you misread my post about John Canefan17. He was fine last I heard, but I am not in personal contact with him.
It is easier to kill surface infections. I have seen this a few times now when you start treating for some pathogen and you get tingling or flushing on the skin surface, but only the first couple of treatments.
It takes longer to get the deeper stuff, and probably takes longer run times.
If you have Babesia, I can see no reason why you could not get rid of it, no matter where it is. It may take a while, but it can be done.
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Ha! Wow - How did I misread that. Whoops
And thanks for advice Dan. I have this image of certain infections surfacing (scavenging around the body via blood, etc)
And other frequencies behind a locked door! ha
What do you think an infection is doing when it's not surfaced/dominant?
Is it overpowered by the surfaced infection so it just doesn't cause many problems?
John acted as if these infections attack each other (for dominance) as well.
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Spring or summer 2009 i ordered a Doug Coil from John Stolar and got put on the waiting list. Then i never heard back from him , and ended up not getting it.
On the PE-1 yahoo group, Musiclady said she mostly eliminated lyme with a Doug Coil before starting on PE-1 for Mycoplasm, etc. She says when she's finished with the PE-1/homeopathics, she'll go back to the Doug Coil.
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quote:Originally posted by pamoisondelune: Spring or summer 2009 i ordered a Doug Coil from John Stolar and got put on the waiting list. Then i never heard back from him , and ended up not getting it.
I don't understand. You called and put in and order and that was all? Did you call repeatedly, e-mail and explain that you had ordered the additional parts, including the QSC Amp and Frequency Generator?
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I am quite sure many these pathogens battle with each other for real estate, just as animals do in the wild. Not all of them, but Bart and Lyme certainly seem to have an inverse relationship.
Some bacteria are symbiotic, and do not actively fight one another, but that is because they help each other out. It is simply in their "best interest" to co-operate.
You beat back the Lyme, and Bart increases, and vice versa. Until you reach a point in which the Lyme is not affecting the immune system much. At that point, I think the Bart has a harder time of it. That is speculative to be sure, but it is how it seems to respond.
In case I mislead anyone else, other than Juli on gating settings for the GB-4000 I am going to correct it right now.
The gating rate is not too important. Some run it at 1000Hz I run it at 20Hz. It is not known which is optimum.
The duty cycle on the main gb-4000 settings should be set at 90%. The gating rate for the gating in particular should always be set at 50%, not 10% as I stated earlier.
It was an error due to my lack of electronic knowledge. I apologize for that mistake.
Juli questioned me on this, and a good thing she did. I was running much less power as a result of my faulty settings.
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I am not sure exactly when I spoke with John...but it was certainly within the last 2 weeks.
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I called John about 10 days ago and left a message but haven't heard back. I don't expect him to call.
The first time I contacted him it took about 6 or 8 messages before I finally caught him in. When you can get hold of him he is very generous with his time and knowledge.
I don't know how that would work if you were buying a machine from him. I would get a bit frustrated.
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April 21st 2011 9:00 AM: This was my 78th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Still treating Borrelia Burgdorferi today. Feeling better thanks to a combination of high dose Ativan and sleeping early and waking early. Repeating routine from April 19th, 2011
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 432
1: Dose: 30 min
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration:48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, 20 dp of each x 1.
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 10dp x 2 in 4oz Fluid,
Post Water: 16oz filtered
Exercise: 60 mins on Exercise Bike. Push-ups: 20, Pull-ups: 5 Crunches 20
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment: 1: None
Health Function Scale: 40%
24hr: Felt pretty miserable, and almost didn't work out, but I did in the end.
48hr: Feeling better today because of both Ativan and from waking early.
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I haven't been able to reach John for a few weeks now. I even sent him an email to which I have not received a reply. That's unusual.
A few days ago when I called, the line was busy, for a while, so I figured he was taking phone calls. Then when I called a little later and did'nt get a busy signal, I got the answering machine again.
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I`ve been taking NOW Rhodiola 500 mg for a while now. I also take Pregnenolone 10 mg, Holy Basil and Ashwagandha 450 mg but only one of these a day whichever I feel my body asks for and it is working out evenly spaced.
The Pregnenolone particularly has helped with my adrenal issues and this protocol has really helped me I think. I do not take the same herbs every day due to my intolerances. I also take pig hormone.
I had an adrenal crash a while ago and had to give up occasional caffeine and alcohol but am getting on pretty good although I have had to stop rifing for now while I am making an international house move and don`t think I can detox enough to do it.
Every year I seem to be picking up but it is slow.
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Does anyone have any experience with treating aspergillis with rife (as a co-infection of lyme)?
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I have not personally rifed for aspergillis, but since it is considered a mold/fungus perhaps one of those frequencies would help.
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Yes, when I muscle test myself, it is showing a strong positive on two of the aspergillis frequencies. I'm just wondering how often to treat, how it is in terms of herxing, etc.
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April 23rd 2011 8:00 AM: This was my 79th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Still treating Borrelia Burgdorferi today. Feeling better thanks to a combination of high dose Ativan and sleeping early and waking early. Same exact pattern as the last routine. Repeating routine from April 19th, 2011. The Pekana Detoxification aspect of my routine is finished as of [04-21-11] and I don't expect to repurchase anything. The products were Kidneys, Liver, and Lymphatic system: Pekana Products: Apo-Hepa, Renelix, Iteres, 20 dp of each x 1.
I'm now using Pekana Somulin 10-20dp x 1 at night for sleep. Melatonin 3mg XR, and the Ultram 50mg x 1, but the last three are sporadic. Melatonin makes me feel groggy and sick upon waking, the Pekana in small doses helps a little slight bit but not enough to consider it worth repurchasing. The Ultram is effective for pain management but wears out quickly within 3-4 hours.
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 432
1: Dose: 30 min
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration:48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: None
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 10dp x 2 in 4oz Fluid,
Post Water: 16oz filtered
Exercise: 60 mins on Exercise Bike. Push-ups: 25, Pull-ups: 6 Crunches 25
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment: 1: None
Health Function Scale: 40%
24hr: Felt a little bit better. Then felt exhausted as the day went on.
48hr: Feel run down, but it's only morning right now.
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Metallic, How often do you treat borrelia?
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I ran 464 yesterday and crapola - feel like death today.
Frontal headache, sore neck, watery eyes, sneezing like crazy.
I had always suspected candida was a major factor and this proves it. This is my worst herx to date (and I've run 832, 842, 432)
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quote:Originally posted by canefan17: Metallic, How often do you treat borrelia?
It depends Cane. I attribute the vast majority of my remaining symptoms to a small bacterial load. While the load is small (in my opinion), the immune response remains chronically inflammatory and thus debilitating in some ways, and this response also is the primary cause of persistence of the infection itself (again, my opinion).
I discussed a concept that I've been considering for awhile. As I've studied different aspects of human anatomy, physiologly, and microbiology, I've come across some ideas that appear coherent when considered in the context of borrelia infection. Discussing this may be of value, though it is entirely untested, and may contain many intellectual flaws.
See if you can fill in the holes, or if any particular hypothesis can be formulated to simplify a potential application.
My Theory Of Persistence & Therapeutic Resolution
I treat borrelia in cycles with Rife presently. I plan on adding an antibiotic that I know without a doubt has a significant impact on the borrelia, but instead of remaining on the therapy constantly, I plan on using it for two weeks (Until the Herxheimer reaches it's peak) and then I will pull the antibiotic and continue Rife therapy. I will then repeat the cycle in a staggering pattern, such as 2 weeks on abx, 3 weeks off, 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 2 weeks on, 5 weeks off.
I believe that the primary reason Lyme Disease continues to cause symptoms is this:
Cause Of Persistence: Avascular sequesteration
I think the problem with Lyme Disease is much like that of other chronic infections. The infection gets into avascular areas (Low/no blood supply) and sequesters itself. It's a simple explanation with no simple solution. Tuberculosis is the same way. I also think the symptoms of Lyme Disease have less to do with "Toxins" and more to do with an sub-clinical inflammatory response as a result of chronic stimulation from the bacteriums organic antigens. This is not true for everyone however, especially the most inactive and debilitated patients with high bacterial loads. The threshold for causing "illness" is probably pretty low, which is why symptoms remain so troublesome even after nailing the infection with heavy antibiotic therapy. The sequestered infection remains unharmed, and when therapy ends, the remaining bacteria begins repopulating the body. The fact that the infection has the ability to adapt quickly by changing it's metabolism and converting into other forms just confirms that even more.
Cycling Antibiotic Therapy
Slow dividing infections with host defense mechanisms that hide in avascular body parts are a pure ***** to kill. Antibiotics will not kill the infection unless those antibiotics are cycled long term and in an "on/off" pattern. I think duration of treatment is far more important than combinations and high doses. For example, if an antibiotic works and leads to a Herxheimer response, I think the antibiotic should be discontinued at exactly the time when the Herxheimer peaks. Then the antibiotic should be removed, enabling the infection to reproduce and resume normal activity. Then therapy is repeated over and over using this pattern.
The Herxheimer Reaction As A Measure
The Herxheimer reaction is the perfect gauge of knowing whether you're killing the infection. Eventually, by cycling, in theory, you gain ground on the infection, surpassing it's ability to repopulate while also encouraging the infection in avascular areas to move out.
This is just a theory of mine.
Overview Of How To Coax Borrelia Burgdorferi Out Of Avascular tissues & alternative forms
A combination of exercise or increased blood flow, cycling of an antibiotic that is "certain" to create a Herxheimer reaction, combined with adequate hydration with trace minerals added, will coax the infection out of these areas of the body. Controlling the inflammatory response will significantly decrease the activity, however to do so I believe the immune system should be mildly suppressed -- which seems counter to what most understand.
How The Immune System Behaves Relative To Borrelia & Symptoms Of Lyme Disease
The immune system is one of the primary contributor to which causes the infection to adapt and move into tissues where it is inaccessible. If the immune response is dampered, then it increases the probability that the infection will become more active. Patients who have used high dose Prednisone add indirect evidence to my theory. The explosive nature in which the infection causes relapse confirms the immune systems role in inducing persistence.
Tri-Combination Therapies At One Time Unnecessary
I also don't believe multiple combinations are required. One or two drug combinations, such as Tetracycline for one routine, or Biaxen/Plaquenil for another routine would be adequate as long as a progressive cycling occurred. Other antibiotic combinations that are simple may work more effectively for other patients, like Minocycline or Doxycycline at higher than standard dosing, but also cycled
Why Pregnancy Alleviates Symptoms & How That Applies To A Solution
I believe this also explains why women who enter pregnancy often experience a drastic decline in symptoms. The dampening of the mothers immune system permits a foreign body (The baby) to develop early on. This leads the infection to become active, but without a normal immune response, the symptoms we typically experience do not generally occur. The moment the mother gives birth, a number of hormones (which we do know with certainty, such as Estrogen, progesterone, HSC (Human Chorionic Somatomammotropin)) or HPL (Human Placental Lactogen), Calcitonin, Thyroxine (T4 & T3), Insulin, Relaxin, Oxytocin, Erythropoietin , Cortisol. Prolactin decline almost immediately, leading to a relapse as the immune system comes back online. Note that a number of these hormones contribute to immunosuppression in the same way transplant supplementation is used to prevent rejection.
This also opposes the concept of bacterial endotoxins playing a major role. In a high load infection, the story is different, but in a low load infection, I don't believe that is the issue.
Immunosuppression: How?
Exercising daily, using aerobics (Which also counters Dr. Burrascano's opinion), combined with other moderate immunosuppression should suffice including the use of steroids or other natural therapies. We understand to some degree how the hormones of Pregnancy alter very specific aspects of the immune system without compromising the mother's ability to survive effectively during pregnancy.
This confirms that we can tease out a method of manipulating immunity while sparing the host from opportunistic infection, which would be more problematic with steroids or other risky suppressants. The cells most engaged in the attack on borrelia clearly are impaired from the hormone combinations.
Disclaimer: Highly experimental, and Risky
I do not suggest anyone attempt this theory unless they are desperate and no other therapy has worked. They should speak to their physician. It is unlikely they will gain support, as the concept is highly theoretical and ignores a number of concepts such as co-infections, as well as the risk of opportunistic infections which take hold during immunosuppression.
Chemotherapy
Someone asked me why Chemo Therapy could not be used to kill borrelia. Cancer patients demonstrate to us that Chemo therapy is "not" an effective method to kill infectious diseases. The risk of opportunistic infections substantially increases while on Chemo Therapy and the damage done to other parts of the body is profoundly unnecessary. Additionally, the infection (borrelia b.) will simply adapt to this new environment as it does any other which threatens it's survival, including antibiotics
Final Note: A number of probiotics also dampen immunity and or modulate it. Plaquenil and other immuno modulators, including hormones considered during pregnancy may be potentially used in men to reduce the symptoms, and in theory, kill the infection more quickly and efficently, though the duration of therapy will still likely be 12 months +
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Has anyone here ran any EBV frequency? if so which one and what'd you notice?
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Joe, I think people would be interested. Just as long as your machine works as effectively as the others, it'll be good to have access to someone else's product.
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Chinalymie, I did rife tx for aspergilla niger. Gosh that was back in 04, I believe.
I was so toxic and ill at that time it didn't matter what I did, my body reacted to everything. Even green drinks, or anything good for others would throw me in a tailspin.
Everyone is different how they react to things.
All I learned the hard way is take it slow. Do one thing and see how your body reacts the next several days to whatever you're after.
I know in 24 hrs if I've hit something. Well actually I know during a tx, because I can feel things happen during. But 24 hrs later strong herx/healing crisis will hit.
It's all learning your body and it's reaction to everything. Sorry, I wish I knew 1+2=?
Pam
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Metallic, do you ever give your body more than 48 hrs before you do your next session?
Do you ever give your body a break? A vacation like? I realize you trying to nip it in the bud. But honestly, I don't know how you do what you do.
Pam
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Pam, thanks. I'm trying it once a day and am up to 2 minutes on 247 for aspergillis. So far there isn't a clear response but I tend to need higher amounts of time to see that. I do have good responses to 432 and 832, so I'm taking it slow with aspergillis.
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quote:Originally posted by map1131: Metallic, do you ever give your body more than 48 hrs before you do your next session?
Do you ever give your body a break? A vacation like? I realize you trying to nip it in the bud. But honestly, I don't know how you do what you do.
Pam
Pam, what type of rest should I give? I mean, occasionally I have had to take off some time, like if I'm really sick -- an extra day, etc. Sometimes I skip workouts. Stuff like that.
I don't feel I'd be any sicker or better if I rested more, since I never get any better by resting from therapy or exercise.
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April 25rd 2011 8:00 AM: This was my 80th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Still treating Borrelia Burgdorferi today. Feeling better thanks to a combination of high dose Ativan and sleeping early and waking early. Same exact pattern as the last routine. Repeating routine from April 19th, 2011. I'll repeat this routine again, but I'm not noticing anything significant.
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 432
1: Dose: 30 min
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration:48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: None
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 10dp x 2 in 4oz Fluid,
Post Water: 16oz filtered
Exercise: 60 mins on Exercise Bike. Push-ups: 20, Pull-ups: 5 Crunches 20
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment: 1: None
Health Function Scale: 35%
24hr: Drop to 25% function. Debilitating symptoms all over. 100% Herxheimer reaction.
48hr 30% Recovery, coughing, night sweats beyond belief like the night before.
72hr: 40% function, night sweats.
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Metallic, all I know is how my body reacted and reacts today. I don't know yours.
I just remember how my naturopath who introduced to my Beam Ray in '04, thought I should hit it 5 days a week. I was her 1st lyme & co patient or so she thought.
So I told her no I don't think I can handle 5 days a week. The lyme pre-programmed in my rife is 30 minutes of maybe 10 different freqs, sweeping and pulsing.
I think I started every other day and after one week....I had to put the breaks on. She was killing me with the lyme too quickly.
Of course I didn't realize that my body didn't have a clue how to detox. I certainly had no clue how far down the into the pit everything was.
She was throwing green drinks and all these detox supps and vits etc and thinking she was dealing with a cancer body.
The detox alone was enough to throw me into a tailspin.
I'm not questioning your protocol. You know your body. I don't even know your rife machine.
Two years ago I decided to put in the other bulb that came with my machine. In my notes it said use with children or fragile people. Not a strong as the other bulb she told me to use.
The new bulbs cost $125 each and I thought I could use it because life on my stronger bulb might be close to ending? 6 yrs old?
I couldn't believe how much easier the herx reactions were with this lesser bulb. I've just got to tolerate and go slower than you?
Hey I wish I could find it in me to do the exercise program you are doing. That's great. I did 18 mths of YMCA heated pool exercises and loved it. 2-3 days a week
Something changed in me last summer. I still don't know what. My PCP and now endocrine doc think my dead thyroid and my immune system went wacky. I lost my mojo and I'm trying to find it.
I know the frustration of trying to whip some lyme & co butt.
Pam
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Hi All Long time. Hope your all well. I see rife thread still is growing. How great.
I have something you all may want to try. Keep your diet down to a low fat of like 15 t 20 grams a day and keep rifing.
Give this a try for a month and report back. Its worth a try let me tell you.
The biofilms will dissolve and those hiding bugs will be zapped by all the methods your trying much more efficiently.
In this disease when we are sick and we feel stuck its all worth a try. The reports coming through about this is quite positive. I am sorry I can not give more details .. proof.. etc. So for now take the advice as you may.
It is reported to be working better than any "treatment" or "drug" or other Modality. And in combination working amazing.
Esp those who have the protozoan infection with biofilm pos tests.
Take great care. I am so much better than last year and still working on things but >. Yes. Not here because of being better.
I can attribute to the fact that when you start feeling better and enough to go live life a bit you do not want to spend the time here. It serves and served a purpose but when you get those windows you feel like you have to maximize the time and sitting at the computer or staying online is not the choice. When I was so sick and bedridden. The hours that were "better" were those I had energy to sit up or have a laptop on my lap or knees and would type or read and be on the forum. That was about all I could do and then that choice worked.
So remember that when people leave. I now see why its hard for people to stick around. Even if you want to stay and share.
Oh PS>
Detox detox detox. Push it to the limits and what you think is enough is not usually. Keep that going while you rife. Its ultimately important and maybe just as or more than the treatment itself. I had to break through on the detox channels and get that flowing before rife or anything else worked at all.
Huge deal.
Blessings. ....
If your stuck and things are not working. Change what your doing. Rotate, Pulse, Cycle... etc. I find after long periods doing twice the amount every MWF is much better than daily of one amount.
Things like that. Or even now I do 3 times the amount on M and Th.
And cycle meds and supplements 3 weeks of one set and then 3 weeks of another. Same for treatments.
Such as muscles as you exercise. The body gets used to and plateaus and predicts your behavior or what you will throw at it and then you stop making any progress.
Got to change it up. That just has been my own experience and a reminder to give that a try to
Keep on and do not give up. Be open to new things and do not stay in ruts.
Was thinking of the group and wishing you all the best.. .
Its SPRING!!
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Thanks spring. Good info in there
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I will add that thinning the blood, and reducing inflammation may help more than we realize.
I noticed a while ago that many cancer treatments thin the blood, and are anti-inflammatory in nature. These are not the mechanisms that are attributed to the treatment working, but they often are there.
It may be that it is not just the anti-inflammatory affects of certain supplements that help with Lyme, but the blood thinning properties that allow the immune system access to pathogens, and better circulation in general.
We both use these type supplements and always have, and it might be why the frequency treatment is working rather well.
Dan
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Hello everyone. I'm a newbie whose read most of this site and realize that this is where I need to be. Here's the history. I've had Lyme for 45 yrs and 20 yrs ago a car accident woke it up big time. After surviving that I was left with 2 major problems, weak legs and GI problems. I chose to go the alternative route. Despite lots of healthy efforts my legs gave out 18 months ago. I immediately started abx which lasted 9 months. I was introduced to the coil machine and ordered one. So I've been off abx 4 months and had a Doug coil by JS for 3 months. I was given 4 frx and started coiling pronto. I usually do 20 min AM & PM of 432. In between I do 20 min of 832,570 or 690(all at 13 amps). I don't herx. Brian Rosner reminds us if we're not herxing, we're not killing bugs. But the other day I coiled for XMRV and did get a headache & a little depression. I continued 448 for 2 wks. I'm concerned about not having a proper herx for Lyme & co's. So I coiled for various other Lyme frx including Doug's 612...and nothing. Except I do get very painfull muscles & joints at times, just no headache. I really want to get off this scooter & JS has established a protocol for coiling the skull, neck & spinal cord with 432. He has several success stories of Lymies like me with leg problems. I would love imput on the herxing. BTW a friend said that Doug knows people who have never herxed and gotten well. Also, I need some direction for this ulcerative colitis. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Sarah
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Preliminary report: I won't be doing Rife tomorrow. I'm experiencing a crippling Herxheimer Reaction.
I'm extremely sick today. I laid in bed all night awake, even with large doses of Ativan, Sleep Aids, and Ambien. I had chills, fever, sweating my skin hurts to touch, my eyes are sensitive to light, and my ears are sensitive to sound. I have a serious migraine that is not responding to high dose Ultram, a prescription pain medication. It feels like the Flu multipled x 10.
It is not a flu however. Alll my muscles ache and throb and walking on my joints or using my arms creates a poping sound, combined with arthritic pain. Clearly this is a Herxheimer reaction. I performed Rife therapy yesterday and also began taking a supplement called MSN, which stands for Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) is an organosulfur compound. The organic sulfer component does not cause allergies or side effects but is said to have profound anti-inflammatory effects, reduce allergies, reconcile Fibromyalgia type soft connective tissue pain, as well as treating severe arthritis. The dose is extremely crucial as most people who use this supplement only take small amounts.
Initially only 2 grams should be used once per day or divided in half, then as time goes on and a clinical response is seen thru improvements, more is added until 4-8 grams is commonly taken. Some severe illnesses respond to doses as high as 60 grams. Fortunately, the supplement is dirt cheap and can be purchased in bulk. I bought 2.2 lbs of the organic crystals for 20 dollars. Given my reaction, let's hope it's followed by improvements in key areas.
It is absolutely clear to me that this substance is causing a debilitating Herxheimer reaction that is similar to Bactrim and Vancomycin.
Whether the bad time will pass and lead to strong improvements is unknown but this report is critical for people to read given the significant response.
I'm also running fevers of 100.4. MSM may have antiparasitic effects as well.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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You could try some E-Coli frequencies for UC. I did have responses to this a while back, and I have Crohn's. Unfortunately, the frequencies did not kill it off. I ended up using MMS to get rid of it, but that may not be a good option in your case.
I have always had good results for Lyme using 2016 Hz. It hits some form that is different than Spirochete form, but I do not know what form it is.
I do not have Lyme, but I did have response to the XMRV DNA based frequencies from Char Boehm. The only difference I ever noticed from treating this was a faster digestive process. It remains that way even today.
Dan
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MSM sounds interesting. It is similar to DMSO if my memory serves me correctly. I have some DMSO that I use on occasion.
Thanks for the update. You may have something important for Lyme. Time will tell.
Dan
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I accidentally stumbled across this while doing research on the supplement you'd mentioned, called MMS. I ended up buying the MSM book and when I began to read it, I said "Oh hell this isn't the stuff Dan was talking about.'
This accident may prove extremely useful. I'll update everyone tomorrow. I feel like I'm dying. I'm not actually dying obviously.
Yes DMSO is the precursor. When DMSO is taken into the body it is broken down into metabolites. The main one is MSM. MSM appears to be the core component of DMSO.
The interesting thing is that most research done considers MSM inert. That may very well be true until the body gets a hold of it.
My response is strong enough for me to recommend people consider looking into the book MSM by Dr. Jacobs.
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I am the only one that has used DMSO in my house, but you reminded me of an interesting effect I had while using it to treat a swollen tendon.
It made my guts a little sore, on at least two occasions. I will have to try it some more and see if I can replicate that effect. I was not sure if it was coincidental or caused by the DMSO. I did not think much of it at the time, but maybe it was killing something that is related to my Crohn's?
Or it could have just been an irritant. Not sure what it was, but there is little doubt what your effect is.
Dan
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Metallic, do you have someone to do bodywork on you? Have you ever had someone really trained to work on the ill/toxic patients like cancer patients. Someone with "healing hands"?
I would really recommend someone trained in Lymph Drainage or someone that knows how to get the dead stuff flowing out of you.
Just a thought. Have you ever tried chlorella by the handfuls?
Pam
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Yellownape,
Couple thoughts.
You should run 727, 787, 660 Broad spectrum frequencies known to help when all else fails.
Also you may need to consider heavy metals and detox pathways before expecting a herx.
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I ran the largest sweep ever last night, just to test out this new method of killing pathogens.
This sweep has been designed to hit every pathogen Rife ever worked with in one treatment. It likely does not kill them all in one treatment.
The carrier frequency on the MOPA is set to 3.1 MHz and then a sweep from 24,000 Hz to 500 Hz is run for two hours. This sweep was as much for myself as my wife. I suspect I am harboring some non-beneficial pathogens, as my immune system does not function properly.
She felt pain in the ankles a couple of times later in the treatment, also some pain in the lower legs, which is not a typical place. Other than that it was pretty uneventful.
The only sensation I felt that I could say was certainly from the treatment was in the face. I had this itchy tingling sensation I have felt before.
It most reminded me of treating for Porphyromonas gingivalis, using Char Boehm's DNA based frequencies. It is a common dental bacteria, and is even implicated in heart disease.
I treated for this before because of gum disease. It did not substantially help the condition, but did help a muscle in my knee that apparently had the infection. I felt it hit an area that gave me trouble for a long time, especially on long bike rides. It also has been 100% ever since. One of those unexpected benefits, but not the one I was hoping for.
I am not sure if that was what was hit this time, but it felt much the same. XMRV treatment also had this effect very briefly, the first couple of times I ran it.
It could have been Strep or some other common pathogen most of us are harboring to one degree or another. No way of knowing for sure.
Nothing too exciting about the treatment in any other respect.
Dan
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quote:Originally posted by D Bergy: I am the only one that has used DMSO in my house, but you reminded me of an interesting effect I had while using it to treat a swollen tendon.
It made my guts a little sore, on at least two occasions. I will have to try it some more and see if I can replicate that effect. I was not sure if it was coincidental or caused by the DMSO. I did not think much of it at the time, but maybe it was killing something that is related to my Crohn's?
Or it could have just been an irritant. Not sure what it was, but there is little doubt what your effect is.
Dan
Your best bet is sitchting from DMSO to MSM. The Saftey/Risk profile is far safer based on all the studies currently done.
MSM will "only" cause milk G.I. disturbance in a select few people and if it happens, they should drop the medication down until it goes away, and the they icnrease it.
Another important distantion is DMSO is a prescription medication, while MSM is not.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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