I don't believe the liver is completely behind the rib cage.
I've never actually seen the livers location but I know from working EMS it isn't uncommon for seatbelts to cause lacerations to the liver.
So, with that in mind... it's not totally protected by the ribs!
quote:Originally posted by canefan17: So the liver is completely behind the right ribcage or below the ribcage?
The more I look at pics on Google the more it looks like if I'm coiling for Babs I should coil on top of the ribcage.
*and does anybody know where exactly H Pylori resides in the body?
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Ok, thanks Juli
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The EMEM by Dan Tracy is the lowest cost and fairly effective. He is usually backlogged.
Here is another builder that makes a similar machine.
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My H-Pylori was in my stomach, but likely migrated from my lower intestinal tract. My over use of antacids allowed this to happen.
676 Hz used each day for a week will often clear this up. I was not able to clear up an H-Pylori infection with my weaker Rifelabs EMX machine, so power plays a role in this treatment.
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Thanks Dan
And it is found in the Pyloric Antrum Which is in the stomach
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Tuesday I ran a auto program (55) from the Universal Freq List book for only two Mins for the condition of secondary asthma.
I had a awful herx reaction the next day. I'm not sure what hit me but the frequencies were 95, 72, 65, 20, 14, 15, 9.6, 6.3 Hz.
Was wondering if any of you recognize what freq that may have hit me so hard? I see some of you use 20 Hz for parasites so I'm wondering if that could have been it. Thanks, Juli
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Is Metallic Blue still doing rife treatments?
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yeah, i really do think i could figure out the frequencies with all the information in this post.
i dont think any doctor in the world has all the knowledge posted here!
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Where on Earth is Metallic Blue? He's vanished. Hope he's OK.
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Who stumbled upon 357? Any other Quintana frequencies?
I began using it many months ago and got a huge reaction.
I see it is listed as Quintana and Henslae not sure why but I've seen this with other freqs also.
I just assume I have Quintana also? It's the only freq I have for Quintana.
Did you get a hit?
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Awhile back I did.
I do have quintana - so I was looking for some frequencies. This is really the only one I found.
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How many infections have you found so far Canefan17?
I'm up to 5 and still haven't tested for many others.
Two Barts, Two Myco's and Lyme.
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2 Barts, Babs, Lyme, Erlichia
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I've been doing some extensive research on Bartonella. (even talked to a few pathologists and a respected herbologist/Stephen Buhner))
And something is going on with Bart.
There is this notion out there that Bartonella reproduces fast.
All of my research (and pathology) says the opposite. Bartonella spp are slow growers.
I think the Rife community began the "Bart reproduces fast" movement (and understandably so)
But I do think something else is at play here. Or we're overlooking something.
Bartonella gets into the endothelial cells and RBC and it periodically release bacteria and toxins into the bloodstream.
But the reason it infects endothelial cells is so it can remain hidden from the immune system and there it is able to reproduce (slowly)
So I'm not sure what rifing is doing to bring symptom relief (maybe eliminating the released bacteria, stimulating the lymphs, decreasing inflammation)
...but one thing I'm becoming sure of - Bart is a very slow grower.
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Anyone target Fry Protozoan and if so what numbers have you come up with.. I have played around with various Protozoan and Parasite numbers and I am not sure and can not say what works best or that I have Hit the Target as of yet for sure.
Any ideas would be appreciated...
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But, Cane, how come i used to get relapse symptoms, one or two days after stopping antibiotics, that grew steadily?
Everyone on Lymenet said that if you relapse fast, it's Bart, because lyme doesn't reproduce that fast.
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Spring, Did you see my post, that you shouldn't go for months without any treatment?
You sacrificed so much to get well, you shouldn't let it go down the drain.
You should have alternatives (such as PE-1) to use when you are away from home and away from your rife machine.
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Yes.. Just got tested for thyroid levels to see where I am at with my meds and if I need maybe t3 as well. Also tested for My B12 and D3 levels and waiting on answer. Yes Polly Your right. I should not have let that much time go by. I do not have a PE-1. I am back rifing and what is weird. I am not herxing at all anymore and I am not sure how to take it or exactly why. When I stopped I also had slowed way down on herxing and could rife for hours and have a minimum herx.
So anyone else get to that point where its not doing much if at all anything for your anymore after about a year?
Let me know ok..
If you read my other thread working on finding out what if anything in my home is causing issues for me. I may try to rife for some mold numbers and see what happens. I have in the past but not seriously or more than here and there..
I did not sleep in my house last night and here I am up at 7am. Unheard of. I have felt better away from home when I went out of the state to family this past six months a few times as there were family emergencies. Certainly not less stress. And I am not testing sleeping somewhere besides in my house this week and see how it goes. So far amazing.
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Thanks for sharing this info and if you hear or learn anything else please do share!
I have often questioned Bart and how quickly it reproduces with me mainly because I could only rife very little time in the beginning and only once a week at that. Every few weeks I could tolerate bumping my rife times up by 15-30 seconds. (slow but sure).
That wasn't making sense to me if it reproduces so quickly. In my case I also became nearly symptom free early on other then when I was herxing.
It's taken me 6 months to be able to rife the Bart 14 Mins weekly then another 7 mins (half time) twice a week. In my case a little has gone a long way.
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It may be a different mechanism other than reproduction rate that makes it seem that it reproduces fast.
What I remember is that it was very hard to get ahead of it, unless I treated almost every day.
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How many people do we know who've beaten Bart using a Doug Coil (or other Rife machine) ?
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I've been rifing for 7 months. I know a lot of autochannels and frequencies have cross functionality. Anyone feel they have some good recommendations for hitting bart? And how often?
I also can't face slogging through this immense thread. Thank you
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VB,
Give 464 a try for Candida And I get some inflammation from coiling, yes
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832 is a very good freq for Bart it was the first one I started with.
I also got a hit using 357 I think others have to. It is a strain called Bart Quintana.
I personally use just these two freqs. I rife Bart 3 time per week but could only rife one time a week for a very long time until I was able to handle more.
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thanks juli. i saw the post a ways back with the list too. your frex are on it.
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Thank you Canefan! I will try that one. I appreciate it.
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Anybody heard from MB? I'm still not seeing him around.
Pam
Just found post June 24th from MB. I was worried. Glad you're alive MB. I was really concerned for your being.
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Nenah Sylver writes that you should rife for Candida albicans for AT LEAST 20 min at a time.
I got my most effective Candida frex in Nenah Sylver's book, The Rife Handbook, p. 457, the set by Jimmie Holman and Paul Dorneanu. (Sorry, copyright law, i can't reveal them.)
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Dan recommends 39936 for Bart; it's a harmonic of 832. I haven't tried it yet.
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Just wanted to check in because I've been mia. I'm a bit behind in my reading here but will hopefully catch up soon!
My husband is very very ill with cancer. He has a very agressive carcioid neuroendocrine cancer in several of his organs and brain. He's been very strong emotionally which is helping me so much.
If you are so inclined please pray for comfort for him and for strength for me to take care of him. I am very blessed to have a very strong, large support system of family and friends who are helping me, too.
Right now I am trying to rife regularly but less time per frequency as I can't afford to have a big herx. Please pray that I make good decisions regarding my rifing and regarding my husband's health.
Thank you all - you have been so helpful to me on my Lyme/Rife journey.
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You and your family are in my prayers for sure!!!!!
May the peace of God fall upon you and your husband above all understanding!
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canefan17 Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts) Member # 22149 Icon 1 posted 29 June, 2011 04:16 PM I like the idea of Rifing for candida too
but do you think if someone has metal toxicity issues that the candida will just regrow and we might actually be rifing for no reason in the long run? Posts: 3479 | From Daytona, Fl | Registered: Aug 2009 ---------------------------------------------
Hi Cane, I rife for Candida because i have to, and it's the only thing that works (of the treatments that i do).
Yes, it does just regrow!
I rife for Candida when the situation is desperate. I put it off for a long time, my guts get worse and worse, then finally i get around to running the Candida treatment, and get a few days of relative gut normality.
So you think that the Candida regrows because i have toxic metals? Actually, it regrows because i don't do a thorough treatment! I don't kill it all off! I do just enough to get by. I don't want to spend the time to do a thorough job. Then i keep eating sweets or bread.
Has someone actually got totally free of Candida by rifing? I've never got to that point, to consider the next Q, if metals make it regrow.
Is that where you are?
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I'm sorry for your difficulties, Mojo.
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Polly,
I do think if metals are an issue then candida will always be an issue.
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My Lyme Dr. gave me literature on this guy! My sister has written to him to see if hubby is eligible. This Dr. seems to be very well known.
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Thanks everyone for your kind words.
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Burzynski is the man to see for cancer.
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I would like to point out that the efforts by MB on this thread are his own and everyone is different
As well as their methods to treat using the rife. I had never understood or agreed with the method he choose and I can tell you I would not have made progress using it.
Please find your own path and do not assume because "rife" did not work for him it will not work for you.
Specifically for me the very small doses of treatment through out. If you do not have herx reactions then either your not going long enough or not have found the right numbers. Those two things have to be taken into account.
If you get a small herx and any herx you know you have hit something and you should keep on uping the time and push til you get a herx you can manage through and clear out and do it again and again til there is no more herx.
This is my opinion. I am not trying to be confrontational nor judgmental. But to be fair to others coming through I would hate for them to move along and not at least try the tool for their own health improvement.
I has proven to be a vital tool for me in my treatment. Not a cure all for everything but has done things I never was able to accomplish with other methods and though also have not been able to accomplish everything with this one tool. But I think it is a huge benefit for treating this disease and infections and also for sustaining progress you made in one area while you concentrate on another.
That said also, no treatment, I believe "works" if you do not treat and work on the whole picture and body and especially be able to keep things moving along and out of the body that you do kill. Things get stuck. Your whole body in a chain reaction gets stuck and stops moving and working like it should. Esp chronic lyme patients. I was one of them and thought I was doing all the detox and all the things I could. IT was about going past that line of what I thought and pushing harder. Pushing beyond the line and making a change. Its an amazing feeling when you can do that but its a huge amount of work and effort.
This is just my opinion. And mine alone
Blessings And healing and health .. to you all.
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I agree rifing for candida takes longer than other things. Also fungal infections take longer. Go for long treatments and see how you do..
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Yes, I found this week that if i rife for Candida more often (instead of putting it off at longer and longer intervals), my guts got in good shape with just a few extra 20-minute treatments, while continuing to eat chocolate (occasionally, mostly i eat health food).
I agree with Spring that MB didn't do long enough treatments. Also his machine was too weak;and he knew that. I guess his Doug coil didn't come through. Is he still going to try the Doug coil if he ever gets it?
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springshowers, I too was concerned about MB and his daily 24-48 hrs protocol. I just didn't know how to approach him about it.
I thought he approach was just to aggressive for me. That's all I know is myself and how I react. I know some people are different and I didn't know his machine.
But I know I wouldn't be able to function at any capacity if I went every 24-48 hrs. Some others might if they have support from ND or someone that knows.
I remember my ND thought in 2003 I should go M-F. wrong!!!! But I haven't found the good place either. I'm still looking for answers. I had some answers but the big picture changed on me and bam.
I had a muscle testing doc that helped for 3 yrs. I quit him for other resons. But I sure felt better after do some pretty strange rife protocols.
Those rife sessions didn't wipe me out either. I still have all notes and calendars. Maybe I can go back and visit some of those weird things.
Since I've been tick bitten again and again in the last 5 yrs.
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Map I would be interested in hearing about those rife protocols that your talking about that you did.
Regarding the protocol. Yes everyone is different. And its more the balance of the treatment and reaction I am talking about. If you are not herxing or hitting the right numbers or time frames to invoke that herx that you have to adjust til you do
We will not ever know for sure why but maybe it could be the machine was not strong enough or maybe other things.
I was able to work up from one minute up to an hour over a year. And that was how I cleared through many of the things that were left in me after my other treatments and it worked for me. that way and also worked for me to maintain the progress I had made using other treatments from the past.
I just felt when I followed along that it was shame to go through all that work and time to log every detail but not to be seemingly hitting it. It took me a good couple months to do trials of numbers and used groupings to cover various numbers so then I could narrow down if I wanted. But it took awhile to find what my body responded to at all and then to formulate a path from there. But it was a lot of testing and playing around and using a lot of time to even get to where I know what i needed to even start out with for frequencies and programs.
Then after that I had to go through and start formulating how long I could handle to start with each of the areas I wanted to hit and then I had to figure out which to do first and what to overlap and I could and should do together. Then to work through every herx and work up to more and more times til I felt I was getting no herx at all after long periods of time.
I can see why some people shift up to stronger machines and after this long I probably could use a stronger one myself. I now use it for maintaining and keep up on and I keep running those protocols I did as well as continually exploring others along side as I have time.
Its not easy and not an easy process to find out what to do when you get a rife. Its very difficult but that learning curve is necessary and you have to do it for your own body. People here can only give guidelines as to what has worked for them to help guide others to where to start or try for themselves but each of us will have a different protocol based on our own reactions.
I was not aware of how much went into it when I got it that had to be from my own process of trial and error and logging and keeping track of my responses and body reactions and herxes and time to recover and times used at every session for every frequency etc. And then moving that forward by doing stronger and longer sessions and continually looking for other frequencies and programs.. along the way. I never ran just one number or two or three ether. I would have taken forever to gain the ground I think I did. I had to run programs that were inclusive and then later as I felt through the programs I could figure out more which numbers were best for me and then i would make more powerful grouped programs.
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I've been worried that it seems i have to run lyme, babs and bart frex for about an hour , more or less, to feel i got it under control for the day.
Half an hour isn't enough.
If i run it for an hour total, for those 3 bugs, then i feel better for a while, and the symptoms are greatly reduced for a while, good enough to skip treatment the next day, often.
But if i just run frex for those 3 bugs for only half an hour total, then the symptoms aren't reduced,and i don't feel i have had a treatment.
Why do i have to run frex for an hour to kill anything? Are the bugs getting resistant? That's what it feels like. I haven't analyzed it anywhere near as precisely as Spring.
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