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CrackerJack,, You can and people have derived some benefit.
On principle it's not recommended, because abx sends the spirochetes into cyst form, which the rife treatment does not affect.
Dan has answered this Q more authoritatively somewhere in this thread.
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CrackerJack---- A helpful strategy would be to run coinfection frequencies while you are on Lyme antibiotics.
If you are on abx, you probably wouldn't be taking all the drugs for 3 or 4 different coinfections, since some of the drugs are heavy, dangerous, deleterious, or expensive --- so you can get around that situation by rifing the Babs, Bart, Mycoplasm, viruses, etc, on the side, concurrently with abx for lyme.
Then you'd expect a lot of herxes, do a lot of detoxing, and you wouldn't know which was hitting what.
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I was wondering has anyone heard of new research revealing that Lyme is really a possible co infection of Bartonella and not the other way around?
I was told this yesterday by a fellow lymie.
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- LymieLauren,
You said about your EMEM5: " . . . . I've flown with mine several times - it fits in a large duffel bag. I've never left home without it!" (end quote).
TSA did not even question you as you went through security? It sure might look like something else to those folks.
Have you had any delays or questions?
I even had my tiny homeopathic vials confiscated in the Phoenix airport once because the checker had never seen anything like that before. -
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Here's a post from another forum, giving Lyme frequencies:
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I haven't studied all those numbers Johann Stegman posted, but at a quick glance i didn't see my favorite Lyme frequency,
39168 , which is 612 times 2 to the 6th power.
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Has the Lyme Spring Flare hit anybody in here yet?
I ran 432 yesterday and 8 hours later felt irritable and tired. Then last night had heart palpitations all night and woke up maybe 10 times to pee (bladder)
I ran coil over bladder, knees, gut, chest, head for 3 minutes each.
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Just curious how did you come about multiplying the fundamental frequency by two's?
I was questioned by another member because I multiply as many times as I can up to 40,000. (that is the limit using the MOPA) I have been doing this ever since the beginning.
In reading Dan's older post I noticed Dan did use the harmonic's the same as you but changed to the way I have been calculating. I contacted Dan because I thought maybe I missed something along the way and he said he does it the way I do now.
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Juli---
Could you give a very clear example of what you mean, taking care to avoid ambiguous possible interpretations of numbers and symbols?
You multiply as many times as you can---- what do you multiply by? By the number itself? So do you square, cube, the number etc , up to 40,000?
Or do you multiply by whatever you need to get to 40,000?
At any rate, my 39168 seems to work for me, as far as i can tell, but i also use other lyme frx.
Thanks, PollyPolygonum
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Yes, I multiply the number into itself so long as I don't go over 40,000.
I think all harmonic's are effective no matter how you multiply them but I'm just not sure how the multiplying by 2 method came about?
Actually, I never even noticed I was doing it different until I was asked about how do I calculate harmonics. I was then told I possibly was not getting the full power of the harmonic because I wasn't multiplying by the 2 method.
Example I use 832 hz x 48 = 39936 Hz which is the harmonic I use.
Using the multiplication of 2 method
For example, 832 x 2=1664 1664 x 2=3328 3328 x 2=6656 6656 x 2=13,312 13,312 x 2=26,624
Using the above method I would be using a harmonic 26,624 and no higher using the MOPA.
My point is... unless someone can tell me different harmonic's do not have to be calculated and limited to the above method.
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"Years ago I abandoned binary octaves of frequencies, i.e. dividing by 2 to get lower octaves of primary frequencies that are usable on plasma devices that only generate frequencies up to 10000 hertz. I found a method of calculating scalar octaves that I now use consistently. Simply divide or multiply by exp(3), exp(6), or exp(9). In the Excel spreadsheet language you can calculate the scalar octave of A1 by inserting =A1/exp(3) in another cell, and so forth.
Binary octaves do not work as well as primary frequencies. In general, scalar octaves do work as well as primary frequencies. In fact, they cut the time required to kill a pathogen by more than 50% over binary octaves. This has been confirmed in more than a thousand experiments."
I don't see anything via the link you provided calculating the harmonic's in the way that I am using them but I know they are being very effective for me.
Knowing Dr. Rife used the harmonic's as I am makes me feel pretty confident however, it would be simple enough to test the Scalar Actaves method and see if there is any extra effect. A 50% more pathogen die off is impressive.
Thanks for guiding me to the info this has been an un answered question for me for sometime.
I don't know much about how the Coil machine works but after reading your post I can't help wonder if users could divide 10,000 Hz by 3 and use this harmonic for inflammation?
Personally, I have found 10,000 hz to be a tremendous help in running this frequency after each rife session (even just for a few minutes) that would cut my herx's in half and stopped most headaches and head/eye pressure whenever I would rife especially for Bart.
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Personally, I just use three methods to calculate harmonics.
1. Scalar harmonics as mentioned above.
2. Divide or Multiply by 2
3. Divide or Multiply by 2.00015400
The third method nobody really knows but someone by the username of newport from another forum found it via dowsing and believes it to be better than dividing or multipling by 2.
I personally believe these three are the best methods.
I should mention that to help make calculating scalar harmonics faster, you can click on the link titled "Scalar Octave Calculator" at this link http://www.royalrife.com/lists.html
Also, since you've found 10000 Hz to work well for you, it entirely possible that you may be benefiting from the frequency as it's killing Schistosoma mansoni eggs.
It appears many people are infected with this pathogen as I was at one time and stopped benefiting from 10000 Hz once it appears I killed the pathogen.
Anyhow, try running the other three frequencies as well which are 55889.5644 and 5576.6766 and 5887.8877 as well as 10000 or 9998.2235 periodicaly until you find relief. Beware, running the frequencies can give you a pretty good headache and herx.
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quote:Originally posted by gmb: What ever happened to MetalicBlue? I thought he posted a few month back that he had ordered a Doug Coil machine, then he went silent.
gmb
I'm around. I use a simplified summary now. I figured that 100 reports was more than enough for others to follow if they choose.
I haven't consistently been using my machine. I'm having difficulty choosing new frequencies, since I haven't had a specific frequency work.
The new parasite that Dr. Fry found doesn't have a frequency yet, but another Rifer is working on it my doctor said. He said that as soon as the patient reports, he'll let me know.
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Getting my machine from DT this week!
I am nervous about learning to use the machine and using it safely around others.
I have some crazy questions...don't laugh too much! LOL!
Do I just sit in front of the machine with clothes on?
Could I rife while I do my daily enema?
Is it safe to use with pets inside the house, as long as I don't let the pet in the room while I am using the rife?
Ok...I am sure I will think of more hilarious questions later, but that's all for now. LMAO!
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RZR, yes,as close as possible, with clothes. It's all right to hold it right next to you, (i think).
I'm sorry Dan isn't here; he gives such lovely reasoned and knowledgeable explanations.
It's safe with pets, ( i think); it might even help them, if they happen to have an infection! Some people post anecdotes about how a dog or cat would come and lie right next to the rife machine when it was turned on. They sought it out.
I don't know about enemas myself.
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Pets often enough, have Lyme also, especially pets that are outdoors. I have no qualms about them laying right next to the machine. Our cat often lounged right next to it. Never had any negative effect.
I avoid exposing others to frequency treatments, although I doubt it would do any harm. Of course, do not use it if you are pregnant. Just as you would for most other treatments.
I am recovering from surgery and doing well now. I have not run the MOPA for quite a while, as I am not sure of how it affects my crohn's disease. It is possible it accelerated the growth of fistulas in my intestines.`It is one of many possibilities, but I do not know for sure why I developed these so quickly. It is not the likely reason, I actually think Mycoplasma Pneumonia was the likely culprit, but I cannot afford to take a chance on anymore Crohn's problems.
A lot of people have a good understanding of how to go about Lyme treatment now, so keep up the good work. I will not be able to add much, since I am not actively using the machine at this time.
Cindy seems to be doing well without any treatment. If things change for the worse, I may have to start treating again.
I don't know anything about Enemas either. Since it is just another detox method, I don't see any problems with doing both.
Thank you all for the lively discussion. I read all the posts, even though i have not posted much myself.
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quote:Originally posted by RZR: Getting my machine from DT this week!
I am nervous about learning to use the machine and using it safely around others.
I have some crazy questions...don't laugh too much! LOL!
Do I just sit in front of the machine with clothes on?
Could I rife while I do my daily enema?
Is it safe to use with pets inside the house, as long as I don't let the pet in the room while I am using the rife?
Ok...I am sure I will think of more hilarious questions later, but that's all for now. LMAO!
I have a DT machine, too. I use it on my dining room table and lean all over it while rifing. Often I slide it to the edge of the table and leave an inch between the machine so it can get to my enire body.
My dog sometimes comes around and she doesn't seem affected by it. I'd say do the enema separate - at least until you get used to the machine.
I've been using my machine for years now (personal tragedies, i.e. "life" got in the way of treatment several times) and just the other day I did 10 minutes on a Babs frequency that I meant to do for a minute! I herxed pretty good but survived!
Happy Rifing.
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My dog is one of them dogs that has always come running every time I fire up the Ray Tube from day one. Lately she has been piling up her favorite toys as close as she can to the tube it's really Strange to watch but she takes her toys very seriously and I guess she just wants to share what she thinks is a good thing!?
I rife her often and she does very well especially to stop them spring time allergies that cause her to itch and lick. Rifing also settles her tummy instantly when she seems to be having a day of vomiting.
Electromedicine is always a first choice for our family and pets.
Welcome Back Dan! So glad to see your post!!!
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Thanks for all the helpful info!
I had no idea it would be safe for pets. I have a 13-year-old cat with hyperthyroidism. Is there a frequency for that?
Is there a website with frequencies listed?
Does rifing work for yeast?
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There are frequencies for yeast - my sister had a huge herx when she did it with me I con't have my frequencies handy but I knos they came with my machin and I think there are some listed in this long post maybe even a couple of time.s Use the search?
I'm in my sauna and can't get to them right now.
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quote:Originally posted by mojo: There are frequencies for yeast - my sister had a huge herx when she did it with me I con't have my frequencies handy but I knos they came with my machin and I think there are some listed in this long post maybe even a couple of time.s Use the search?
I'm in my sauna and can't get to them right now.
I didn't realize a list of frequencies would come with the EMEM machine. Mine is scheduled for delivery tomorrow.
Thanks!
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This will seem like a simple question, but I cannot find an answer in the books that I have. Currently using an EMEM machine. How far away do I sit from it? Am currently about 3 feet. The machine did not come with instructions. Any thoughts??
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I don't know much about the EMEM but I have a very powerful machine. I'm always within 4-6 ft from the tube.
If I have a problem area I will sit the tube within inches of the area. It's okay to move it around. Many times when I was real sick in the beginning I would sit Indian style with the tube in my lap.
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Anyone know the best frequency for Babesia Duncani?
Today will be my first rife session. I plan to only run 570 for 1 minute and see what happens.
I just started abx for bart a month ago. I plan on continuing those meds for a few months to see if they will get rid of bart since it seems most can't get rid of bart with rifing.
Thoughts?
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570 Hz is one of the main freqs used for Babes. Running it for 1 minute is wise until you know how you will react. Remember some reactions can be delayed by a day or two.
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What are you taking for Bart? Some of those meds are so toxic that it presents a very good reason not to take them!
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quote:Originally posted by pamoisondelune: What are you taking for Bart? Some of those meds are so toxic that it presents a very good reason not to take them!
Rifampin and Doxy.
I am sure they are toxic, but I am just now starting to feel better on them. I am going to give them a few months.
Has anyone gotten bart to remission with rife?
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Is it true,"I just started abx for bart a month ago. I plan on continuing those meds for a few months to see if they will get rid of bart since it seems most can't get rid of bart with rifing. " Then what do you take for Bart? While Rifing ?
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I have only used rifing to treat Bart. I have never taken any ABX's for it. I am symptom free but I still can get a mild reaction when I rife at times.
I will be adding Cumanda once I am able to rife daily for it. I believe it was Tick Battler that posted a while back that she thought her two children were cured by using Cumanda.
Maybe she'll chime in with a update?
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To Rene. I also have an EMEM and I sit as close to it as I can get. Sometimes I stand in front of it. Have been rifing for three years in May.
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I've been on abx for over a year and have stalled at 70%. I am no longer tolerating abx well and have been reading your posts and Bryan Rosner's books.
Before I invest, does anyone have any wisdom on whether one can rife with amalgams?
I've been diagnosed with TMJ & trigem. neuralgia after a failed root canal & eventual implant. I do not want any more pain from dentist.
As money is an issue, would an EMEM be enough (there is someone locally who builds it) or would the GB400 or Coil be the better investment?
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I'd say, have your amalgams taken out, and buy a more powerful machine; but i'm not the expert.
It shouldn't hurt to take out the amalgams---- you'd have some kind of sedation and no pain afterwards---- yes?
I'm just an amateur; i don't have impressive grounds for this opinion.
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I have amalgams and implants and I do just fine with rifing.
There is no debate as to how toxic amalgams are in general. I've been working on removing mine even before I had Lyme.
I think it is good to get the most powerful machine you can!
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Thank you for your help. Guess I'll pass on the EMEM and try to find a GB4000 to start and try to save up to add the MOPA.
That will give me time to learn and get accustomed to this form of healing.
I was working toward a mercury-free mouth when I had all the trouble with failed root canal, etc. Lost a couple teeth & had one implant. I still can not bite down on that side. Seems lyme & co. settled in the nerve.
That's why I hesitate to touch the other side with the silver fillings. I know eventually they'll have to go. I'm thinking as I bring the critter load down, the nerve will quiet down.
Juli, I'm glad to hear you are fine with rifing.
Could anyone pm me with a reliable company or person to buy the GB4000 from?
I found the site D. Bergy suggested for the Coil, but I'm concerned I won't be able to figure out how to program the frequencies.
Again, I really appreciate your help..
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I have an question on rifing for whooping cough....
Can anyone tell me where to find info about it?
I think our children have whooping cough.
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- MammnMe,
If you have frequency lists, consult those. Same with any rife books you may have.
Google search: whooping+cough, rife+frequencies -
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quote:Originally posted by Muffin123: Is it true,"I just started abx for bart a month ago. I plan on continuing those meds for a few months to see if they will get rid of bart since it seems most can't get rid of bart with rifing. " Then what do you take for Bart? While Rifing ?
I am not rifing for bart or lyme at this point. I take Rifampin, Doxy, and Ceftin.
I am rifing to keep babesia from relapsing and I also use detox and yeast frequencies. I just started a few days ago, so haven't noticed anything yet.
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MannaMe---- Here are some frx for Pertussis---- probably not the best or only frx, but i found them easily:
You won't need the MOPA for a while until you get some of the load down. The MOPA would likely be to powerful for most when just starting out.
I added the MOPA many months later but I got great results with just using the GB 4000 with the ampilfier.
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Is rifing a lifetime commitment?
Does anyone get to remission and then be able to completely discontinue rifing?
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With the right machine, frequencies, and commitment cures have been attained. What the percentage is I do not know.
I do not know if anyone really knows for sure if it's really a cure or complete remission but either way they no longer need to rife and report being symptom free.
Others say they need to do maintenance rifing ever so often.
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is it true you have to be on ABX long term before rifing? i so wanna skip the ABX treatment and go straight to rife...heard the bacteria load would kill me..
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That is not true. If you want to rife then rife you just have to take it slow!
The only time I would agree with the abx's coming first is if you know you have a recent infection then it would be wise to go the abx route in my opinion but that's just my opinion.
However, I am one of those who did have a recent infection and used abx's first for 6 months only to relapse 7 weeks after stopping the meds.
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So many things to rife for...I could rife all day and never finish!
How do you choose.... which frequencies, how many minutes, how often, etc. to make a difference?
Do frequencies for acne, stomach pain, detox, etc. also make you herx? 10 K says can be used several times daily for pain...Does that mean it does not cause a herx?
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For killing Lyme and it's coinfections my protocol is and was to work up to 20-25 mins per freq being used. I normally use 1-2 freqs per pathogen but with Lyme I do use 3. It is good to test each freq to see which ones you react to the strongest then use it. Documentation is very important especially in the beginning of rifing it will come in handy. I can post how I documented if anyone would like me too?
You can have a HUGE reaction to freqs that don't seem to be related to Lyme or it's Co's. I recommend that you always test them out by running them for a few minutes and wait a few days and see what happens. I personally tested new freqs three times upping the second test to 5 minutes and the last by 8.
When I first began rifing for Lyme Dan helped me narrow the freqs down he recommended in his opinion all I needed to use to treat Lyme was 612 hz & 2016 hz so that is what I have used with very good success. Later I did add in 432 Hz because I reacted to it so strongly then later down the road one by one I began using harmonic's of each freq I was using because it is believed it has more hitting power and it did cause a stronger herx reaction for me.
I don't believe you need to run every freq you find listed for a certain pathogen. Try the most popular that others are using and go from there. This is my protocol.. everyone is different but this has worked for me.
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Juli - I use more (all of the known) frequencies for each infection and less time on each. I've had so many interruptions in treatment I can't tell what the long term progress would be.
Right now I'm rifing only to have small herxes (total life change right now - new widow and I'm moving, etc.) BUT when I start up again full blast I think I may try your method.
I did concentrate on Babs for about 6 months before my husband got sick and was making progress so I know I can get there. It's just that the last year has been very strange to say the least.
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