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Hi to all..been lurking this thread for awhile. I've fixed for the past year for Lyme only with an emem from dt with good results. Although ...I wasn't as sick as I was when I first started abx. Two weeks ago an old symptom ..indigestion/gerd (which causes a shortness of breath feeling) poppedback up. Has anyone had success with rifing for stomach issues?
Thanks everyone for all the infoive gathered already
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Yes, when I rifed in the beginning I would run a low grade temp.
When I began rifing about 4 months in I devoloped really bad GI issues more so from the Bart die off. Rifing can help but it might get worse before it gets better.
I did have a lot of lingering gas and bloating but taking Wormwood Extract stopped it within a day for me. I got it on swansonvitamins.com by Herb Pharm it's good stuff!
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Thanks Juli. This just took me by surprise since I have never herxed with a fever. Always under normal and feel yukky.
It lasted 2 days and now down to 98. Had many more heavier herxy symptoms. This was only with 55 secs with EMEM 5A.I was also to do BABS and BART. Glad I didn't.
Just seemed weird although my Doc said lyme was rearing its head the other day with energy testing,as was viruses.
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I was wondering do any of you have any experience with a mag pulsa rife?
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Healing in Santa Cruz.....
What frequencies did you run?
Hope you feel better ASAP!
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I was rebitten a few days ago, a female deer tick on my back. It couldn't have been there long; it was not engorged; 2? 4? 6? hours?
My husband broke the rules and pulled it out with his fingers, and the head broke off and is still in me!
Thank heavens for rife machines! I didn't have to run to the doctor and fight for abx. Instead, i rifed longer for Lyme than ever in my life and started taking Cat's Claw (which is somewhat effective, but i usually save it for rare emergencies.)
In the night after the bite, I felt vibrations on my forehead and front head for hours. That is a familiar Lyme symptom (i think) called fasciculations (i think).
I about tripled my Lyme rife time, and got some new Lyme frequencies from Nenah Sylver's book that i'd never seen before; my head feels a reaction to one of the sweeps.
I've had heavier head symptoms than usual, so i believe i got something from the non-engorged tick. The extra rifing time seems to be keeping the new microbes under control.
I haven't had any other, different new symptoms.
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Polly - I hate to lecture - but I'm going to anyways;)
I would take at least a months worth of abx if I were you, just to be on the safe side. It certainly can't hurt. What an awful feeling, knowing that that sucker is still in you! Ugh. I hate ticks!!!
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Polly, I'm so sorry this has happened to you.
I've often wondered what would I do if I knew I got bit by a tick would I do the short term Abx's or hit the rifing harder or maybe even both?
I know you are well informed maybe more so then most! Wishing you the best Polly!
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How many of you know of people who have started out on rife and skipped the abx? I have generally heard that you need to knock the lime back with abx before trying rife.
My situation is that I started having severe neuro symptoms(halucinations, major anxiety, etc.) ten years ago. I have not had any treatment for lyme.
I was going to start the abx first, but am considering rife from the start. Can this work, will it be too intense? Could it be too toxic to my liver?
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Hey People--- i am NOT going to take Antibiotics!!! I just have to do increased rifing. My symps are not bad at all! They are clearly a bit worse, but only a bit!
sda---- How well does your body detox itself? That's important to know.
You'll have heavy herxes from either rife or abx. It will be unpleasant, and can be scary. Dan treated his wife with only rife, but she was a new case. If you have 10 years of untreated accumulation---- i don't envy you.
Knowing what i know now---- i would have started with rife or other alternatives and never taken abx. I think. One month of Biaxin/Plaquenil caused an almost paralysis (temporary) of the lower arm/hand and lower leg/foot, because of die-off toxins. A month of Tetracycline caused me to sleep 16-18 hours a day for a month, which is what my body needed to detox itself. They did kill a lot quickly.
For rifing, you'd have to carefully document and regulate your treatment, so that you know how many seconds or minutes at what frequency causes you how much of a herx, so that you don't overdo it. You should get the CMP blood test, (Complete Metabolic Panel), probably once a month(?) to see if you are harming your liver.
You should do a lot of detoxing probably.
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Yes, it can work given the right machine, frequencies and commitment.
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Polly, I didn't realize you had such an extreme reaction to antibiotics. I was simply making a suggestion, hope I didn't offend.
Sda, it's really a personal decision...you can do one, the other or both. Rife machines are excellent, antibiotics are good if you can find the right combo. Just find what works for you and stick with it. Good luck!
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sda I am not sure how severe you are.
I was halucinating , lost my memory , past out etc pain everywhere from head to toe.
I did many parasites cleansing and detoxed organs and wanted to go for NO ANTIBIOTICS.
I delayed for RIFE ( I even learned dowsing wrong ) I would not recomend somebody that is late stage and has all Infections and parasites in the body untreated and rely on rife.
I did 6 months IV blood irradications.I used a LLNP with herbs for 6 months and muscle tested with her for every thing ( cost $$$)than I was near death as I was getting worst and needed several antibiotics and herbs to keep myself alive.
I did Bionic in germany for lyme.I did months of treatment with homepathic with bionic for months for many infections and viruses and herpes.
A few months later I had a car accident than BABESIA( undertreated a few months only) bart ( treated with antibiotics and herbs and homepathy ) came back and I relapsed fully almost died in hospital.
The infections exsploded and I needed blood transfusion.
My point is Please be careful and if you are sick if you have to have the infections under controll you need to take all of the above to keep your self alive.
I regret that I stayed 5 years ago in rife where I got myself worst.
In between I have used rife but having so many infections ACTIVATED and you are severely sick -JUST relaying in rife is going to kill you.
I am not against rife.But I do not want any one that is severe to just wait and try rife for months.DO not as it might cost your life.
If you are late stage you definitly need the antibiotics.Just want to be fair to people that are very sick .
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JUST relaying in rife is going to kill you.
Wow" this is a pretty strong statement!
What I do know is that..
Abx's has killed
Lyme has Killed
However, I haven't heard of anyone dying from rifing? I'm just saying I have not!?
Like I said above.. slow slow slow.. detox detox detox! If rifing is too much for you then stop!
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Thank you all for your' oppinions, I appreciate ALL of them. Keep them coming, but let's not hijack the best rife thread on the net.
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NO I wasn't speaking directly to you. More about me not trying to change the whole course of this thread with my question.
Again thanks for the replies, they are ALL appreciated.
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Juli, you better continue posting here or I'm going to whoop your behind!!
Sda, here is the unfortunate TRUTH about Lyme disease - we just DON'T KNOW. Rife has helped many (including myself). Some people haven't had any benefit at all from Rife. Antibiotics have helped many. Some people haven't had any benefit at all from antibiotics. Some people have used herbs with success - some have had no success using herbs.
The same can be said for salt-c, bionic treatment and on and on and on. There is no magic formula or one size fits all treatment. It's going to take research and trial and error on your part to figure out which treatment works best for you. I wish there were a better way, believe me.
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LymieLauren---- I didn't have a severe reaction to antibiotics. My treatment symptoms were the effects of Lyme DIE-OFF toxins, especially since i wasn't doing any detox whatsoever!
I was new at it, and my doc didn't tell me anything about detoxing. I took abx for a long time thereafter, still without detoxing, without nearly so much Herx reaction, but never getting well.
I think the rifing can deal with the current very low dose of pathogens --- i think.
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Polly, I gotcha now. Keep us posted on how you're dong!
I will say I was able to to beat my babesia infection with rife. I'd done MONTHS of mepron and malarone and I was still eaten up with it and honestly felt like it would end up killing me. I remember the first time I ran a babesia frequency....I knew within minutes that I'd found the answer. 3 months later I was babesia free and it's never come back - that was over 2 years ago.
We all have to find our own way.
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That reply is exactly why I am asking questions, I am trying to dig up as much as I can before I embark down any road with lyme. I want to know all of my options, and prepare as much as I can.
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This is really good. After a week of triple time Lyme rifing (which means skipping a lot of my extras), i was wondering how long this would take, like maybe 2 months, because i had heavy head symptoms, like woozy, groggy, thick, and bunches of eye pains, the way i was 2 years ago when i started rifing.
But today, my head was pretty clear all day! That is a very good sign! This microbe dose looks as if it will get knocked down pretty fast!
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I definitely still have babs after 18 months of either Mepron or Malarone at high dosages.
I am rifing daily for 7 minutes on each babs frequency of 570, 76, 20, 27 and 4 minutes on 1584 with EMEM 5A machine. I now have increased air hunger, hot flashes, and a little dizziness.
Since being so new to rife, I need to know if I keep rifing with these symptoms or do I wait until they go away before rifing again? I had hot flashes before rifing, but air hunger and dizziness are new.
I am also taking Rifampin, doxy, Ceftin, and plaquenil.
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Whoah! You jumped right in there RZR:) 7 minutes on each frequency daily is a lot in the beginning. I would take a 5-7 day break to see if those symptoms clear and if you feel any better. If symptoms clear then you know it was a herx...
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If it gets too be to much for you try spacing your sessions a bit or cutting your times.
You gotta pay attention to your body..
I was able to keep some of the pathogens I was rifing what I call under the "Herx Zone" I did very well rifing in this manner but the pathogens I treated like this were not causing me to be the sickest. I'm proof it can be done and one can gain as I am now rifing these pathogens full speed!!
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Ok....sounds like I might have went too fast too soon! I am a very impatient person...lol.
lymielauren...My situation is similar to yours. Babs relapses every time I stop meds. I hoped it was gone this time and the hot flashes were not related, but I really think they are.
You told me you got rid of babs in 2-3 months (can't remember which). How long did you wait before rifing for babs daily? I have been at it for about 3 weeks now, but herxes are getting worse....if they are, in fact, herxes.
Juli...Yeah, guess I need to space sessions or cut back on time. Just need to figure it all out. It's even difficult to tell if I feel so lousy due bart or babs.
Does babs cause liver pain? I had liver pain, off and on, while on Mepron or Malarone. I herxed like crazy with rifampin but no liver pain until I started treating babs again.
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I don't know if Babes can cause the liver pain or not but I know the Bart and possibly the Lyme can.
My pain felt like I was having a gallbladder attack without my gallbladder it would get so bad it would drop me to my knee's. I'm not sure why this happens maybe it's the liver being overloaded with the die off!?
As for me I had to just rife through it. It finally gave up but it did take months before it stopped. I think this is a pretty common complaint. Juli
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Thank you, Juli.
I did not know bart and lyme could cause liver pain. I don't know what I am fighting here. I assume I still have babs because sweats have returned.
I did restart Malarone and Mepron but (after 3 weeks) I gave up because sweats did not go away. LLMD wanted to treat bart and I just went for it.
I figured if Mepron and Malarone didn't eradicate babs in 18 months, then it wasn't going to.
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Greetings, I'm new to this forum. At least I thought so. When I registered, turns out I did register a couple years ago and didn't remember. That's lyme brain for you.
Recently purchased a GB-4000 plus sr4amp. Have been trying some frequencies. The main Lyme channel, run at 5 minutes per group of frequencies did not produce very much of a herx, but did a bit. 432 did not do much for me, and i ran it for 40 minutes! I did herx with 306+612+39168 run simultaneously for 40 minutes. 891 and 1518 for Bartonella did nothing.
I did herx on Nenah Sylver's primary Lyme fxs, programmed into groups (groups are fx run simultaneously) 10 min per group.
THEN I decided to try 382, the main fx for borrellia garinii. I tried this because I have neurological Lyme, no joint pains. (I did have a very painful toe joint which resolved on antibiotics.) My big symptoms, though, for at least the last five years, are neurological. Persisting in spite of nearly a year on a very good abx regimen from an excellent LLMD.
Well, 382 run for 15 minutes on the GB-4000 produced a VERY illuminating herx, where all my neuro symptoms came screaming out of the woodwork. Couldn't have been more obvious. These experiences have made a believer out of me, both regarding rife, and the fact that I do indeed have a continuing case of neuro-Lyme (Western blot was not completely conclusive, but suspicious. CD57 has been in the teens for years...)
borrellia Garinii, they say, is mostly in Europe, and is mostly neuro-lyme. Though it does occur in America. And other forms of borrellia can produce neuro symptoms. However, I spent 3 months in 1993 living in the woods in France, in a tent, so quite possible I caught a Garinii strain there. I have also noticed a tick here in the US since then.
It's good to read the posts here and learn from others' experiences.
Thanks, NJ
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When I first began rifing I was so sick I really didn't understand all the features of my machine let alone why I was told to use them. I had such relentless brain fog like so many of you this seemed like a mountain to me trying to learn how to rife so I relied on the kindness of others to guide me which I am so grateful for especially D bergy!
Now that I'm healthily and my mind is clearer and I contribute it ALL to just rifing alone I've been digging in a bit deeper and wanted to share with you why it is important to use the Gate feature that pulse's the frequency if you have it.
Some of you may already know this info but for those of you who don't the reason is not just because it makes for a better treatment but it is believed that it helps the Body from rejecting the frequency over time. According to Nenah Sylver page 361 of her The Rife Handbook... Normally over time the body tends to become impervious to a signal that is constant steady and unwavering and the body may become resistant to the input from a frequency device. To bypass possible resistance from both microbes and the body tissues, engineers add a gating feature to their equipment.
Thought maybe this info might come in handy for a few of you!
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Those who got rid of babs...please help.
How long did the sweats last after beginning rife treatment?
Did you get duncani to remission? How long did it take?
I am so scared rife treatment is not working. I can't tell if I am herxing or getting worse.
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Awww, RZR I'm sorry:( IF it were me...I would not rife for 2 weeks. No meds, no rife - no nothing. Just focus on detoxing. When I get to a point where I can't tell which way is up, down or sideways I just stop everything. That's the only way to know if you're herxing or truly getting worse.
In the next week or so if you start feeling substantially better then you'll know that you were herxing and are on the right track. If you feel worse then you're on the wrong track. I do hope you figure it out soon, and keep us posted, ok? I'll be praying for you!
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RZR's question was one that I'd like an answer to also. Here it is again: Those who got rid of babs...please help.
How long did the sweats last after beginning rife treatment?
Did you get duncani to remission? How long did it take?
I am so scared rife treatment is not working. I can't tell if I am herxing or getting worse.
Now I'd like to add my own question: if you did get duncani into remission, what were the frequencies that did it for you, and how long were the sessions on each frequencY?
Thanks. Sue
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quote:Originally posted by lymielauren28: Awww, RZR I'm sorry:( IF it were me...I would not rife for 2 weeks. No meds, no rife - no nothing. Just focus on detoxing. When I get to a point where I can't tell which way is up, down or sideways I just stop everything. That's the only way to know if you're herxing or truly getting worse.
In the next week or so if you start feeling substantially better then you'll know that you were herxing and are on the right track. If you feel worse then you're on the wrong track. I do hope you figure it out soon, and keep us posted, ok? I'll be praying for you!
Well, stopping meds is not an option. I am taking Rifampin and cannot stop and restart.
Thank you so much for the prayers! That's so nice of you!
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When you began rifing and you know you were getting hits/herx's and you have kept rifing chances are you are herxing.
This is a question every new rifer has asked themselves at least 100 times per week in the beginning and even later down the road.
Rifing is not like herx's from abx's that will cycle. If you are getting hits you will herx every time you rife more then likely. It's important to go slow but I know all to well although I went as slow as I possibly could in the beginning I still felt pretty bad.
I agree 100% with Lymielauren28 what she has recommended. It might help you get a better feel for your issues.
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I understand. I stopped Rifampin and Doxy 3 days ago - I just could not handle it. If it causes resistance, so be it. I plan on restarting again in the next week, so I guess I'll find out. We're all so different and we have to listen to our own bodies and find our own unique paths...
That being said - check this out: So y'all know I started Rifampin and Doxy for a reinfection of Bart about 6 weeks ago. In the beginning I knew it was helping. I started having some really good days followed by pronounced herxing followed by more good days, etc. It was working!!!
Well fast forward to about two weeks ago. I started having bad pain in my thighs - like severe burning pain in the muscles and drenching night sweets and shortness of breath. At first I thought I was herxing, but it's gotten progressively worse. Then I started getting severe all-over headaches (not frontal Bart headaches).
Soooo...I've been taking meds, rifing, detoxing and nothing has touched these symptoms. I stopped taking my Doxy and Rifampin a few days ago and still no change in these particular symptoms. Last night I laid on the couch...just thinking....could it be????? Babesia? Again???? Hmmmm.
I got up and got my machine and ran it on Babs frequencies ONLY - 570,76,27, and 20. Two minutes each frequency. I'm definitely herxing today. I feel like absolute CRAP but it's a different kind of crap. My burning legs - gone. I can breathe.
I don't know what in the world is going on with me, what I have, what I don't have and what's causing what symptoms at this point. I'm frustrated, I'm sicker than I've been in years and I'm getting desperate. I guess I'll add babs frequencies back into the mix and see if I can get some relief and improvement. I'll keep y'all posted...
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Juli sent me this message: --------------------- Haven't seen you on in a while and thought I'd check in and see how you were feeling! Are you still making progress rifing after your latest tick incident?
I hope your doing well and have continued to make progress!
Take Care, Juli ------------------------- Hi Juli, I'm doing well. Rifing extra long on extra lyme frequencies is what works, knocking down my slitely increased lyme symptoms.
This means i have to rife at least an hour a day hopefully (whereas before the new bite i could go 2, 3, or 4 days sans rifing).
I have somewhat heavier head symps, but that's all; not bad at all.
I did abx's fine--- i could eat them like candy, no GI probs. The reactions i had at the beginning of my treatment were reactions to lyme DIE OFF toxins. But i stayed on abx for years, and my immune system was disappearing! I had to get off abx's. I'll never take them again, thanks to rife machines!
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Glad to hear your progressing in the right direction! It is also good to know rifing can be effective dealing with a new bite! We all learn from each other!
Lymielauren28,
I'm so sorry your feeling so badly but I know you know how to turn this around so we'll look for better reports from you soon! Thank God you realized it was the Babes that was making you so sick.. that's half the battle!
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About analyzing what's a herx and what's a symptom--- I rife in response to symptoms; maybe the symptoms are really herxes, but i don't spend time pondering . Fortunately, the herxes and symptoms are mild enough that it doesn't matter if i'm really rifing a herx or rifing a symptom.
Can you find any clues? Like i get a set of Babs symptoms, and if i get one of them, i can suspect Babs, and if i get another one or two in the set, that tells me that there is a Babs outbreak. Which happens fairly often, because i don't rife on Babs enough.
Here's a treatment, see if it works--- if it works, you treated a symptom and not a herx----:
One weekend away i forgot my Malarone pills. My ribs started to get sore. And sorer and sorer. Finally after 10 days, i rubbed Farah-type essential oils on my ribs, and the microbes vamoosed fast!!!
The essential oils i used, if i remember well, are 1 tsp olive oil as a carrier oil, plus a few drops each of thyme oil (the strongest), lemon oil, citronella oil, eucalyptus oil, and peppermint oil. (Is that right, from memory?) 1 tsp is 40 drops; maybe i used only 1/4 tsp olive oil, (from memory)? Farah says that for lyme, the percent of drops to carrier oil should be---- 20 %? 25%? i forget. For lyme, it's stronger than for other things.
TREAT EMPIRICALLY---- treat with something you KNOW WORKS, and see if you get a reaction and an improvement.
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I posted earlier about running 382 for borrrellia Garinii, and getting an obvious herx. Well, it took several days for that to die down, with me doing some detox. Then today, a week later, I run 382 again, for the same 15 minutes. Much less reaction, if any. What's up with that? Unless I get a big reaction tomorrow, this will be very confusing indeed. Anyone know why I would herx a lot the first time I run a frequency and not the second time, a week later?
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Is it possible you had rifed for another pathogen or used a frequency in the past 3 days before running 382 for the first time? Maybe your body wasn't detoxed completely. Are you using Abx's could it be a combined herx?
Sometimes reactions can begin days out and last for days in the beginning. Maybe it was a crossover combo of some sort?
I've had exertion or exercise cause herx like symptoms did you do anything different? Was there a full moon? Cyst breaking?
Sometimes we'll never know the reason why these things happen but how you react the next time might give you a better idea of how the freq is going to effect you!
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Thanks Juli, those are good ideas to look for. But I don't think it was an overlap. I'm trying to be very careful about testing these frequencies. So....yikes, last night, about ten hours after 382, the serious neuro-herx came on strong. So much body twitching and jerking that I couldn't sleep (Twitching is a typical symptom for me, and a big part of the herx last time). Had to go lay under the far infrared arch, but even it didn't help much. Today I'm so irritable I'd better stay away from people ;-) And nauseous, and headache, ears ringing, itching..... 382 is definitely confirmed as my frequency, I'd say!
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NJ, It's not uncommon at all to have a bad herx the first time you run a frequency and then not so bad the next time. I've had this happen to me many, many times. Inthink it has to do with the replication rate of the bugs.
Lyme reproduces very slowly. When you ran 382 last week you probably killed off a LOT of spirochetes which produced a strong herx. They haven't had a chance to replicate enough in the last week to produce that strong of a reaction again. Does that make sense?
Have you read Bryan Rosners book Lyme Disease and Rife Machines? If not, I highly recommend it. You can buy it on Amazon. He explains exactly what you've experienced much better than I ever could:)
Juli, thank you for your kind words. I know that I will get on top of this. Trial and error. My head is clear today and it's a wonderful feeling:)
I actually ventured out of the house last night. My husband was going to see a local band that was playing for a charity event. I told him to have fun but that I just wasn't feeling well enough to go anywhere. He wouldn't take no for an answer!! Sooo, I reluctantly threw some lipstick on and hopped in the car with him. I didn't feel great, but it was so nice to be amongst the living for a few hours and listen to good music. When we got home I thanked him for dragging me out:)
Well, I'm going to go run my machine! Happy Saturday!
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NJ...so you got slammed by a herx after all! Good for you!
And Polly, glad you're doing well!
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Lymelauren28... Yes, it's a strange illness when we congratulate each other for feeling worse! ;-) As in a herx of course.
Yes I have Bryan Rosners book, and have read it a couple times. But I still find 'new' things in it. I shall look there again. What you say about Lyme's slow replication rate occurred to me too, but it's good to be reminded that can have an effect.
However, it sure looks like ive found my frequency for now! I'm sitting here twitching and feeling rather neurotic, but happy, because this confirms a lot for me about both rife and the strain of Lyme I have.
Glad you were able to get out and have some fun, I know how rare that can be.
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Something that might help them herx's also is taking Benadryl. I took it almost every night for a year. Herx's can produce a histamine reaction and for me I was able to sleep most nights!
15 minutes is a long time to run a freq for the first time maybe you did knock it down a bit.. it would have sent me to bed for a month or two had I ran a Lyme freq for that long in the beginning! Woozer! Ouch!
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A couple years ago when I used Rife to kill lyme and co infections I had extreme herxes.
Nowadays, with new and better information I believe that this herxing is avoidable in most cases and most pathogens and is true in my experience.
In my experience, I agree with Dr. L from Washington in that " It sounds surprising, but people who focus on the above methods [mold biotoxins] can kill Lyme without much Herx reactions "
For instance, I've been bit probably a dozen times by 6 different ticks in the past 9 months and have developed very mild symptoms.
I believe the reason for my lack of herxing these days in because I've focused so much on lowering mold.
hope this helps
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We are treating 5 in our family using the PFG2Z http://pulsedtechnologies.com/ at home daily (it also makes collodial silver with an attachment) and the P3pro weekly at our clinic. We have seen rapid results (1-24 hours) from each of these in healing from viruses (flu, cold, pneumonia, sore throats) as they pop up and steady progress with the lyme symptoms and organ support. We've been treating since March 1. We also purchased an infrared sauna for detoxing and lessening/removing herxes. Our tech at the clinic uses a zyto scan http://www.zyto.com/zytoscan.html for biofeedback to see what our bodies say we need to focus on/treat. He is amazing at helping to pick the most needed and accurate frequencies. If you own the zyto scan hand cradle, he can scan you from any computer via internet/email (for a small fee via paypal) and then you program those frequencies into your PFG2Z or P3, whichever you own.
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NJ, Lol, yep...a strange illness for sure!
Jdp, I agree somewhat with you on the mold. Our house is almost 30 years old and we have black mold throughout the ac system - you can see it on all the vents. We had it tested a few months ago and it's not Stachy or the "bad kind". It's the same kind of mold that's found in bathrooms.
However, being a "lymie" I'm aware that there is no safe mold. We're moving at the end of June so it'll be interesting to see if we feel any better.
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